For the second night in a row representative scott taylor told people to calm down as they shouted at him. So they get spilled out of the venue and filled up much of main street. Given the obstruction in d. C. , its remarkable what we have gotten done. I want a clear answer from scott taylor, will he vote to bring this to the floor and real obamacare . A vast majority of people are getting crushed with obamacare. Whats responsible is i believe dissecting it, having a discussion and finding the best solution. If i try to explain, right, the twoyear transition path and those kind of things, just hear the anxiety is real and people want Real Solutions so were going have to Pay Attention to that. Were in a posttrump election world where these people are engaged. Some people are clearly upset but there is a bit of professional protester, manufactured base in there. Manufactured . The two lawmakers you saw being confronted in those town halls have now been ejected from office, along with dozens more. One of them had said the women were in his grille everywhere he went. In their place is a fraction young group who host live instagram of themselves cooking and who also apparently like to dance. What remains to be seen is how this new dynamic works, especially amid a shutdown. Already one congressman announced hes filing articles of impeachment. And oh, yes, this hand. People love you and you win and when your son looks at you and says momma loves you, bullies dont win. I said baby, they dont, because were going to go in there and impeach the [ bleep ] that, of course, congresswoman Rashida Tlaib. But in reality it was the word that was not bleeped that could make for more political headaches than democrats. As for shutdown, throughout this weekend the Vice President who is meeting with hill aides to reopen the government but that is very far off as we come on the air tonight. The democratic aide tells me the meeting started 45 minutes late because the white house did not have the information democrats requested ready to go, and they didnt get the full budget justification they asked for. A republican aide tells our team the democrats were given what they asked for. In short, zero progress. At the same time nancy pelosi says this week democrats will start passing individual Appropriations Bills to reopen agencies like the treasury and the irs. The message shes trying to send, if theyre closed and you dont get a tax refund, its the president s fault. And with that i would like to welcome in my panel, former adviser to jeb bush and House Speaker john boehner, michael spiel. Cnbc editor at large, john harwood, former chief of staff and former director barbara shrek, and National Reporter for politico, laura barone lopez. Thank you all for being here, this is the third week of this shutdown. John harwood, lets look at the big picture for a second. I have now covered too many of these shutdowns quite frankly. Not as many as i have though. Thats true. Fair point. However, in the past there always seems to be an end game in some way. We knew it would drag on for a while but you can see the political pressure, incentives building on one side or the other and you could have a sense at least it was going to end at some point. I dont get that sense now at all. We certainly cant see it but i would think a couple things. First of all, there are some republican senators who are getting antsy and i think theyre not going to tolerate this for a long time. So Mitch Mcconnell is saying hes not going to bring up the bills pelosi wants to move on the floor, which are bills the Republican Senate has already passed, and i think theres a short half life to that refusal. The second thing is there was a way that was framed by an earlier agreement with democrats and republicans in the senate, a little bit more money than was in the bills that ultimately passed the house last week and passed before christmas. But i do think that nancy pelosi and the democrats have the high side of this argument and its a matter of time before President Trump has to back off. Michael steele, do you see what john harwood mentioned, that pressure on republican senators actually accomplishing anything . Im not convinced there are enough of those people. To really make a difference. No, i think two things, one, this is the easiest shutdown to resolve in recent years. The group sitting at this table could go over to the lounge, grab a cocktail napkin and figure this thing out pretty quickly. But the president suggested to senator mcconnell he would sign the previous agreement to keep the government functioning and then he changed his mind, he burned cocaine mitch. And senator mcconnell has zero incentive right now quoted, michael steele, burned cocaine mitch. I love it. Going to take the president , senator pelosi and senator schumer to come to some agreement and look senator mcconnell in the eye and tell them he will sign it. You have been bicoastal with many, many, many meetings with the now speaker of the house. What is your view how this is shaping up . With Mitch Mcconnell out of the room, does that affect it . He is out of the room but you have a President Trump that you really dont know what hes thinking from moment to moment. This mornings tweet before his staff went in to meet with the democrats through a wrench, once again, in the process. If you dont know the negotiating list and you dont know what their position is, how will you be able to come to a solution. Speaker pelosi, leader mcconnell, leader schumer and leader mccarther could come up with a solution. They basically already did. Exactly. They can do it again. And they did it when democrats were in the minority in the house. But this president doesnt know what he wants. The wall has become a symbol, it has become his fixation on getting a victory against democrats and he believes this is the only time. Its dragging out. Laura, what is your take on the political imperatives that will emerge from the country at large . We know most of the federal employees affected dont actually live in the d. C. Area, theyre scattered across the country. There are constituents of many different members of congress. This could ultimately impact most americans are not getting their refunds potentially soon enough. How will that pressure bubble up, if at all . I think it is bubbling up. We are seeing more reports that tax refunds may not be done on time, that people who work at the tsa are trying to work in second jobs so they could have money to make ends meet. And the more that pressure is applied on the lawmakers in washington and the president , i think we can see an Agreement Start to be formed, but, again, as nadine was saying theres really no way to know exactly what trump wants. Senator Lindsey Graham and trump and even Nick Mulvaney earlier today were trying to says it not exactly a wall, its not exactly a concrete barrier. We just want steel slats and thats what we wanted for a while. No, thats not true. It was a concrete wall during the 2016 campaign and it has been one up until now and now the president is trying to act as steel slates are something different. But its something heef hes come up with and theyre not. I do think that this Purported National emergency the president s talking about could be an exit strategy. He could say because he signaled this before the shutdown occurred where he said, well, even if democrats dont give me this money, im going to use the military to build the wall. So if he were to say, im declaring a National Emergency, im directing the department of defense to construct barriers on dod land because the dod does own some of that border land, then there would be a court fight but at least it could get him out of the situation hes in right now. Sure. Everyone understands were not sending john snow to the reio grand. Theres not going to be a wall from the gulf of mexico to the pacific ocean. That would stop all of the illegal immigration. Other than the ice monster giants. What were going to do is democrats are okay with 1. 6, the president wants 5. You find a number in the middle, move the money around a little bit, do a physical barrier where its appropriate, which democrats have voted for in the past, and the next you do technology, et cetera, and the president declares victory and democrats declare victory and the government reopens. If you want to talk about Border Security in a comprehensive strategy, lets go in and have that discussion. The president of the United States does not know the details. He doesnt want to know the details. Hes the only person who can decide yes or no on anything. My goodness, look where we are now. And thats the reason this could go on so long. The president is play to his base, democrats have no incentive to fold. We could be there a while. Vetoes can be overridden. Thats true. Its not out of the question that would happen. It would take a heck of a lot it would take a set of behaviors we simply have not seen from Senate Republicans for that to happen. True, no question of the but remember weve got a president who is waiting like all of us are to see what Robert Muellers next move is. His political position is weak and on the brink of getting weaker. And Mitch Mcconnell, having been burned by the president , i dont think is going to hang in there forever and say, yes, mr. President , whatever you say. I do think that was potentially a big mistake on the part of the president , to tell Mitch Mcconnell one thing behind closed doors and change his mind and embarrass him publicly. It is worth remembering what the president told the New York TimesEditorial Board about his Campaign Promise back in 2016, quote, if my speeches ever get a little off, i just go well build a wall f it getsing and i think maybe people thinking about leaving, i tell the audience, well build a wall and they go nuts. Michael steele, the steel slats question, suddenly to lauras point, this is i guess the president s designed this as a concession to say okay, were not going to build what i said but hes still breaking his Campaign Promise. Im obviously as prosteel as anybody at this table. Perhaps more so. Perhaps, on given days. But the details of Border Security have never been the point here. This is a slogan. This is a political winning issue. This is were going to knock the hell out of them and take their oil. The president didnt have detailed policy positions as a candidate, he had a series of slogans which were appealing to his supporters. And trying to translate those appealing slogans into actual policy has been where he stumbled repeated over the past couple of years when Congressional Republicans werent there to sort of guide the process towards a good result as they did on tax reform. And democrats have zero incentive to affirm his symbolism, his slogan. And keep in mind republicans did not give him the wall either the last two years when they controlled both chambers of congress. Thats a very good point. Laura, how, as you kind of step back and look at this again from kind of a national perspective, how does this how does this end . Where does the pressure come from in the end . I think weve seen democrats already pass two bills, ones that would clearly reopen the majority of the government and another that would open dhs until february. They passed that last week. So i think its them repeatedly applying pressure to Senate Republicans. We already saw a few Senate Republicans last week cave a tiny bit. We saw senator Corey Gardner of colorado say, i think we should just do this. We should open the government bill that democrats passed until september 30th and this week we may see more Senate Republicans start to waver and put pressure on Mitch Mcconnell. After that, if mcconnell is willing to bring up bills that are in line with what House Democrats passed, we may see trump say okay, i guess i have to go along with it. I guess well see. Laura barone lopez, thank you so much for being here tonight. I really appreciate it. Were just Getting Started of course this evening. Still to come, were going to look ahead to 2020 as Elizabeth Warren hits stop after stop in iowa. And im joined live by congressman Eric Swalwell and governor jay insley. And Saxby Chambliss joins me live. First, nancy pelosi retakes the speaker gavel, but the man who nominated her, hakeem jeffries, can one day follow in her footsteps. He joins me as the democrats try reopening the government. Democrats are down with ndp, Nancy Dalessandro pelosi, the once and future speaker of the United States house of representatives. I proudly place her name in nomination. May god bless her. May god bless the United States of america. That was Democratic Caucus chair hakeem jeffreys, formally nominating nancy pelosi as speaker of the house, ushering in a new era for the chamber that she is set to lead. With no end to the shutdown in sight, it remains unclear when the house will put an end to negotiating and get back to legislating. Joining me now from new york none other than hakeem jeffries. Sir, thank you for being here tonight. Its good to see you. Good evening. Great to be on. Lets start with these negotiations ongoing with staff over the weekend. It doesnt seem as though much progress has been made. At this point what is the solution to reopening government for all of these people who are at risk of losing another paycheck . What can you do . Either you have to give or the president does it seems. Well, we believe its totally inappropriate to hold 800,000 hard working pull servants hostage and now increasingly millions of americans who for instance will have their tax refunds delayed or have an inability to process Social Security payments and things of that nature as this unnecessary shutdown continues. So our view is we should reopen the parts of government that are completely noncontroversial, beginning with the treachery Treasury Department and irs which we intend do as early as wednesday upon our return and challenge Mitch Mcconnell and Senate Republicans simply to take yes for an answer. As you know, k. C. , were passing appropriation bills that the Senate Republicans have themselves already signed off on. We cant figure out what the problem is at this point. Fair enough to say it is unusual for a Democratic House to take up bills that had been actually mostly written under republican control, fair. However, we know Mitch Mcconnells already said hes not going to put it on the floor if the president is not going to sign off on it. We learned today the president is not going to sign off on this. So how do we get out of this . Weve already begun to see cracks within the ranks on the republican side over in the senate, at least two republican senators have said enough. We need to actually reopen the government and Start Holding the American People hostage simply because donald trump wants a medieval border wall and is trying to force us to play a 5 billion ransom note. We believe if we continue to move forward, do our job, highest priority, reopening the aspects of government that are noncontroversial and then with respect to the department of Homeland Security, again, were willing to pass a previously supported Republican Senate bill that would extend funding for the department of Homeland Security through earlytomidfebruary that would then give us the space to try to find common ground. That to me seems like a reasonable approach. Thats what we intend to pursue this week. The president has said that hes considering declaring a National Emergency and using that funding to try and Start Building the wall. Take a look at what he had to say about this, and then well talk about it. I may declare a National Emergency, depending on whats going to happen over the next few days. Theyll be having another meeting. I dont expect to have anything happen at that meeting. Does the president have the authority to do this . He absolutely does not have the authority to do it. He probably knows he does not have the authority to do it. And it seems to me to the extent there is a National Emergency in the United States of america, its because of the individual sitting at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. So that is just a nonstarter as it relates to a reasonable proposal. Whats happening right now is donald trump is looking