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our situation continues to seem as though, i don't know, it's very fluid. >> now he needs a strategy on syria. >> specifically to deal with isi. there's a military component now that's taking place. that same type of coalition can be formed again. so the president needs not only a military strategy jay, but a diplomatic strategy that basic replicates what was done in libya. >> and nicholas, do you get a sense of the nato allies, and certainly a key with gadhafi. can you get a sense on how great the humanitarian impact is in that region of the world, what's going on in -- the nato meeting is -- i think that nato has a crucial role to play, vis-a-vis russia and what is happening in ukraine. it has to underscore article 5, the collective defense is real. >> i think there is still a certain amount of skepticism about how real that is. but in the case of isis, we desperately need a coalition. but that coalition is with european states. >> are these people willing to step up? because its always seems that the united states is criticized for acting and then criticized for not acting because these people don't want to do anything. >> they're indispensable. because it doesn't work to have the u.s. kind of do anything on its own. we need the sunni arab countries there to step up, and not only provide airpower in some cases. >> what do we need specifically? >> saudi arabia, kuwait, would be a good start. and -- >> turkey? >> turkey would be very important on this. but also, you can't just drop bombs on people in syria. you need that ground force to -- the free syrian army a few years ago could have filled th ed the. it's possible that can still be resurrected bring giving them money and weapons, the kind of bribe back those -- those commanders be bribed back from fighting. we just don't know. >> it's kind of the other aspect is foreign fighters, people going from the united states, canada, great britain. nbc news talked to one american who tried to join isis, don morgan. arrested last month for a violation of an unrelated charge. this is what he had to say. >> i think there's a strong possibility that they'll charge me with supporting terrorist organizations and participating in terrorist activities. >> but does he think he's participating in terrorist activities? >> based on the definition, yes. >> so based on that definition, yes, how do we deal with the possibility of americans, canadians and others joining under that possibility? >> listen, the problem of self-radicalization in this country by looking at websites, disaffected youth that may have criminal backgrounds. >> which is a real book by the w way. the fact of the matter is that the british have basically carved out a new policy, which is they are going to confiscate passports of people who they suspect may be coming back, we already know that one of these jihad dids went to syria, and then went back to the united states. they're not going to visit grandma. they're out there to commit to plotting against the united states. it's not merely isis. the al qaeda threat to the united states is as direct and as real as isis may be ultimately to united states. >> it may be correct on the issue of ukraine and russia. is there anything that nato can do, because clearly sanctions don't seem to be having a big impact on putin. >> the sanctions, frankly have been very weak. i think given that russia has effectively invaded ukraine. those things have to be stepped up, especially hardening the financial sector. >> so europe has to step up? 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>> i'm actually not worried at all. it's against the law for them to retaliate against me. so i'm willing to do whatever it takes to get this $15 and a union. >> the average pay at a fast food restaurant is about $10 and you're saying $15 is what is fair, that's a 50% increase. how much of a difference would that make in your life? >> in my life? oh, my goodness, i could provide a better future for my son. better schools, i could get out of the basement. it's just hard to do -- to live off of what minimum wage, it's like i'm a single mom. i have to pay for daycare, rent, gas, everything. and it's just really hard when you know you can't provide your son with what you want to provide him with, i can't give him any luxuries and it hurts, it really does. >> the vast majority of americans support some form of minimum wage increase. what sit you think -- because fast food companies say, listen, you know when you apply for that job, what the job pays, you can go look for a job somewhere else if you're not happy with the $10 an hour. >> i understand and that's completely understandable as well. i know people who have been there for ten years and they're barely getting $10.10 an hour. in two years at my store, we didn't get a raise. it's the simple fact that we don't get raises when we're supposed to. >> you think that $15 is something that would be fair for all fast food workers or is this just the beginning of what you think should be even a higher pay per hour rate? 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>> yeah, we're leaving dollars on the table by not taking action and not taking it quickly, frankly. what we know is that we have got about 8 million undocumented workers in this country. employees work under the table, with a work permit, we will see their wages go up by about 8.5%. as you said, depending on how big the group is that the president covers and gives work permits to. we're going to see substantial dollars in tax revenue. we would urge the president to go big because we think it's a common economic solution. what is go big. specifically, what would you like to see the president two vis-a-vis immigration? >> in terms of dollars and cents, right, if he covers people who have been here at least five years, who have to come forward, they have go to through background checks, you know, they have to get their fingerprints. it covers people who have been living here for at least five years, in five years' time, we would see 45 billion in tax revenue. if we cover people who have been here ten years, smaller groups, of course, we would see $33 billion in tax revenue, people would be on the books and have to pay taxes. has a five year, have to be in the country five years. but there's also the possibility for folks who have been here ten years or more. how many people would that include. if we're talking about 8 million people, that's a huge increase into the labor force, of people who right now as you say are under the radar. >> if you're looking for the dollars and credibilities calculation, it's a no-brainer. we need to bring people into the system so they pay taxes. >> there's erica and -- who told jonathan capehart about president obama. he said, quote, where is his courage? 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