We will be remembered in spite of ourselves. Those words were spoken by Abraham Lincoln in 1862 and they serve as a powerful warning to a congress that remained deadlocked over slavery. It remained all to ambivalent over the mothers, the fathers, the children who were enslaved across the United States. Of course, lincoln was right. Histories judgment was fierce. It was politically craven and morally corrupt politicians, editors, and Opinion Shapers Who Fought Emancipation Every Step of the way, they could not outrun histories searing grasp. 160 when theres remain marked by their actions and missions. The bibles cane, those cursed with that mark will be found guilty for centuries to come. Just as it was when the Blood Red Stain Streaked across the decade since both connor and the segregationist of the 1960s brutalized those who believed in the self evident truth and that all men and women are created equal. Defenders of that institutionalized racism degraded Black Americans and forever marked those moderates who silently stood by, too scared to speak up against the most extreme elements of their base. Even after four little girls were blown up in birmingham, alabama, killed or are going to their Sunday School classes, which brings us to this time. Our time. Republican politicians idly stand by as americans childrens and parents are slaughtered, slaughtered in churches still, so slaughtered in schools, still. Slaughtered a Country Music festivals and outlet malls, and in their own homes. All because these cowards Fear Gun Lobbyists more than they fear the next uvalde. Parkland, or sandy hook. Those enablers of Slave Holders and segregationists, these timid, empty, pathetic souls care more about beating back next years rightwing Primary Challenge than they do saving young childrens lives. But there is no doubt that these evacuees creatures will not escape histories thunderous verdict. The evidence of their guilt is overwhelming. Over 1400 deaths by guns already this year. Over 200 Mass Shootings over the first five months of 2023. More than 600 children killed already in 2023, continuing the horrifying reality that guns are the number one cause of death among american children. The Skyrocketing Rise in violent gun deaths even since sandy hook a decade ago, the explosion of gun deaths in texas since 2014 because of radical gun laws that put Deadly Weapons in the hands of the untrained, mentally unstable and people. Over that same time, one Mass Shooting after another Mass Shooting, after another Mass Shooting plays out over our smartphones and tvs. In texas and across america, after each texas massacre, Governor Abbott mumbles meaningless assurances, desperately trying to distract from the weapon that is killing our children, guns. More specifically, he celebrates, he celebrates the proliferation of guns and the weapons of war, even after sunderland springs, even after el paso, even after uvalde. And now cleveland. And now allen. And soon, the next school how leader that greg abbott and every other texas politician knows, tragically, is sure to come. As a lifetime gun owner, a longtime hunter, and a dear friend told me earlier today, this is not who we are. As it was with slavery, segregation, nazism, 9 11, and january the 6th, we will one day move beyond this awful chapter in american history. But we are not going to do it before more innocent souls die from gunfire in schools, synagogues, churches, and in Shopping Malls. No. We cannot escape history. We will be remembered in spite of ourselves. So let us then redouble our efforts, do our part, raise our voices, volunteer our time, one for office and, for god sake, get out the vote. Maybe then, and maybe only then, and we put an end to this madness. Lets bring in msnbc and nbc News NationalAffairs Analyst john heilemann. Hes a Host Executive Producer of showtimes the circus. Author and msnbc political analyst amid garrett artist. We also have a host of Msnbc Politicsnation and president of the National Action network, reverend al sharpton, and former u. S. Senator from missouri now and nbc news and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill. I will start with you, what is at stake here . The first level is peoples lives. You have shown example after example of people who are breathing, thriving, making plans no longer with us. I think it goes deeper than that. At the end of the day, this is an issue, as youve covered, where the vast majority of people want to do something about, this and nothing continues to happen. It raises the question of whether this is even a functional democracy anymore. If things the overwhelming majority of people do not happen again and again and it becomes normalized, then we accept, right, that things we all want dont happen. You can go through the ritual of voting, but it raises the question of what this whole thing is. The last thing i will say is, i think theres been a lot of discussion, including on your morning show in recent years about the second American Civil War coming, are we hitting this dangerous direction where the country is pulling apart . I think sometimes we are looking out for the wrong warning signs. We are getting used to low grade, Chronic Civil violence every day as a persistent reality in america. This is the form it takes. Egged on by republicans, egged on by propaganda leaders in the media and social media. This is becoming a country where violence is just everywhere, all at once. By the way, when it comes to gun deaths, the gun lobbyists, the Gun Manufacturers, if a Push Paranoia and they have. They have for decades now and its having an impact. Anand brings up a great point. 90 of americans want universal background checks. 75 of americans want red flag laws, the majority of americans want at the banning of ar15 military style weapons. And yet, greg abbott and the state of texas elected three times. There is a concept in polling called salient. A lot of things people say that they believe in, that they dont go and vote on them. You look at abbott, youve got that graph up before of the deaths and gun deaths in texas, started in 2014, greg abbott was first elected. Got reelected in 2018 and then 2022, after uvalde, he is running against beto orourke who was a passionate advocate for stricter gun safety laws. He creamed beto orourke. If you look at the exit poll in texas in 2022, was gone safety the number one issue . No. Inflation was. Was it a number . To know, abortion wise. Number three . No, immigration was. Gun policy in texas was the fourth most important issue, the most important issue to only 12 of the voters there. That is the answer to the question. The only way that there is moral courage required on the part of some of these people to do the right thing another vast majority of people want to see. But the truth is, until people start to lose elections because they defy the will of the people, they will not greg abbott is an Object Lesson is someone who has flaunted the vast majority of texans want, but they dont care enough to voted out on that issue. Until they start doing that, hes going to keep flaunting. Reverend, we saw with abortion this past year, the tragedy of the Dobbs Decision leading to a ten year old girls being raped and having to flee their states, the tragedy of women suffering some guy. We saw that actually move the needle. Abortion is now a critical issue in the next election thats coming, as it was in the last. The question is, how much bloodshed can americans take in their churches and synagogues and Shopping Malls, Country Music festivals all around america . How much more violence do they take before they say, enough is enough . And when will we stand up and say that if i look at my child and a gun, which one do i love the most . I think you are correct and starting the program, talking about the social movements that changed this country. You must remember the people in the civil war, the Southern States protected their money, which was cotton. Cotton was in the 19th century, cotton was getting. As was slavery. As was slavery. And then segregation states that wanted to protect that, we have seen texas and others are these states that want to protect Gun Manufacturers. There are profits in killing our children. It must be a movement. Luckily, when you look at march for our lives and others, its interracial in terms of these young people saying, wait a minute, we are not going to sit by quietly and watch ourselves become target practice. Oursebut we cant go to schoolr anywhere. That Movement Must generate into the politics you are talking about and vote people out. It has to be a Movement Across racial lines. You are shooting young white kids in parkland just like you shot others. This has to stop. Only a movement will stop it. Claire mccaskill, you live in a red state, as ive lived in a red state for most of my life. Im starting to hear people talk, starting to hear republican mothers on the him a morning of the nashville shooting crying to micah and me talking about their fear of sending their children to school, the tragedy of that, my god. When my parents it was like, you get joey off my like and have him stop crying about me leaving him in first grade. Now you have parents afraid to leave their five year old children in schools. This isnt just on the Upper West Side of manhattan or miami beach. And this is in missouri, this is in northwest florida. This is across america. When does it have an impact . When do they say, enough is enough . You know, like all issues, its about what people are thinking about in a moment. I think what has happened until now is the Mass Shootings were heartbreaking, and they were particularly painful for the country and many independent voters when children were involved, but they would go away after a few days. Then they would still be worried about the price at the pump or this, that, or the other. Now it feels like its a drumbeat. It feels like the slaughter is continuous. It feels like we have reached a new level of allowing horrible, horrible, horrible sliders of innocence in this country. Ive got to tell you what i think is getting independent voters right now, i feel it in missouri, the idea that republicans are talking about protecting children by banning books. They wont ban high capacity magazines killing their kids. You know, you wrote a book about persuading middle america. I know at your heart you are very optimistic. What needs to be done . What is next . If people watching tonight that may not have hope, give them hope. Two things. First is a fear of paradox on this issue. The more those of us who want to End Gun Violence talk about it and make people afraid necessarily and being afraid drives people to the right, being frayed makes people buy guns. There is a thing about this to talk about this in a hallway. We have to have to show people what its like on the other side of this chain instead of get rid of guns, get rid of guns, what wouldnt be like to send your kids to school and know they will come home . Message, message to people what the world looks like after we have defeated this and remind people. What the world can look like and that this is a crazy thing. This is a choice. This is not like the currents, this is not like The Sun Rising and falling. This is a choice that politicians are making to protect Gun Manufacturers more than our own children. We have come together time and again in our history, from your Black And White footage onward. We have solved these kinds of problems in the past and we can do it again, and we will do it again. We will do it again. Anand, thank you so much. Greatly appreciate you coming out. Coming up, next my interview with John Fetterman and his thatll with clinical depression. A disease which is actually getting worse after he won the senate seat. You know, winning doesnt mean it still didnt hurt still. I laid there and watch this hurt my own children. Woman why did we choose safelite . 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Just because winning doesnt mean it still didnt hurt still. I lay there and watch this hurt my own children because they were confused because they thought just because you won, why arent you you should be happy. Can you talk about your decision to seek help, to go to walter reed . What was the triggering event for you . I will never forget the decision where its like, if i dont do something to claim my life, this could be tragic. I was skeptical. I was kind of like, no, no, i dont really belong here. Give me one last chance. As he is seeking help for depression, his wife gisele, tweeting, after what hes been through in the pa