Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180813

Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180813

Of mental decline right now. And then she writes that during her time at the white house she felt a growing realization that donald trump was indeed a racist, a bigot and a misogynist. In response to those allegations White House Press secretary Sarah Huckabee sanders issued the following statement. Instead of telling the truth about all the good President Trump and his administration are doing to make america safe and prosperous this book is riddled with lies and false accusations. Well, lets find out what Omarosa Manigault newman knows that we dont about zonld j. Trump. Welcome, omarosa. Thank you for coming on tonight. Ive been following this story and all the interviews youve done. I want to get some stories that questions get to me. You seem to have suspected when you heard that donald trump had used the n wordh made racially derogatory things back when he was filming in fact the first year of the apprentice. What made you think they might be true . I didnt discover it until the fall of the campaign in 2016, when a producer, bill pruitt, came out and he tweeted that donald trump had said some very horrible things including . Racist things and some things about jewish people. That was the first time we became aware of it on the campaign, and in fact we had a meeting, jason miller, len patton and katrina campins, we had a Conference Call and we talked about what we would do. Katrina pearson said she thought he actually said it. That was his campaign spokesperson. When you first heard that story by bill pruitt and the others and the confirmation by her, did you go oh, is that the guy i know . What was your sort of emotional reaction to that as an africanamerican woman . My first reaction to it was this cant be true, this is somebody ive known since 2003, he had always been kind to me, as i said repeatedly in dozens and dozens of interviews. So when i heard it my first instinct was to protect him and not to dive deeper because i just dismissed it as untrue. Well, you did eventually dive deeper even after publication of your book you went out and you actually heard the tape. I did. When you heard the tape, did you get a sense that the person i know you dont want to give away the source. That the person who has the tape, a copy of it, is planning to use it at some point . Yes. In fact, i believe that theyre using it for politically motivated things. In fact, they may before november . Before november. Are they democrats . I dont know what their political you dont know. If theyre republicans or they used to be a part of the production staff for the apprentice. And they saw it took it on themselves to actually document this so that they could expose him for the racist that he is. They have a copy you said of the tape. Zblft audio. Had you listen to the parts you heard, how many times did you hear mr. Trump, your former boss, how many times did you hear him use the n word . Multiple times. And ten . It was three minutes. Multiple times. Is and whats upsetting about it is it was about someone that was on the cast with me, about kwame jackson, who was the africanamerican contestant, male contestant on the first i him. Season of the apprentice. Thats why it was so disturbing was it kind of derogatory the stuff im older than you. I grew up with some of the bad stuff. Was there like derogatory trefrnss to him as an africanamerican, this is stereotypical commentary . How would you describe it . It sounded as if he used it every day. It rolled off his mouth kind of like when you first heard the access Hollywood Tape. You would never imagine he talked that way. It just kind of rolled off of his tongue. But whats more disturbing thats amazing you that heard that. Its amazing that for two years these folks have been trying reach out to me and i guess i was in denial. I certainly didnt want to engage with people i thought was trying to bring trump down. And after i closed the book i had an opportunity to go out there and to meet with him. And hes terrified. But he also thinks that hes doing a good service to save this country are from a president who clearly doesnt care about africanamericans. When do you think theyll drop this tape publicly . I have no idea. And i am not involved with the drop of this tape. I just had an opportunity to verify that it was in fact donald trump on the tape using these deransemitic, antijewis Community Comments . . You know, bill pruitt said those things were included in the tape. The tape that i heard had quite a few things that he said. I didnt hear the antisemitic. Let me ask you about the birtherism. That was a big issue with me on this show. That was. In your book you write during boardroom outtakes from the apprentice donald trump would talk about obama often. He hated him. He never explained why. But now i believe it was because obama was black. And back in 2011 when he first flirted with a president ial run donald trump embraced and promoted the rightwing Conspiracy Theory that president obama was not born in the u. S. Lets watch that in action. If he has a birth certificate, he should release it. All i want to do is see this guys birth certificate. If he werent lying, why wouldnt he just solve it . And i wish he would. Because if he doesnt its one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. Our current president came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere. In fact, ill go a step further. The people who went to school well him they never saw him. They dont know who he is 37 crazy. Roamossa, in your book the unhinged which is coming out tomorrow you called him on this. What did he say again, as an africanamerican woman and hes looking at you. What did you say thoim about this birther thing . The first thing he said was that the Hillary Clinton people started the Birther Movement, o omarosa, youre so naive. They started it. And then he said it was just political, he was going after him because it was political, not because of his race. But i dont believe that to be true. At the time did you believe it . At the time he said it was politically motivated, its not personal and he started making these assertion thats Hillary Clinton started it. I just kind of stepped back. I wanted to see in fact if they started the Birther Movement. I took it all kind of at face value. But now that i know what i know about him, he was certainly going after him because of his race. George wallace what bugs me about what you said, i do disagree with one thing. When a politician uses race negatively, hes a racist. And you say you did you accept the idea it was just politics, he was playing numbers . I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. Like i said, i had a blind spot for donald trump. But he continued it in a very, very derogatory way and as ive said today just having him call me out with my name, call me a lowlife, say im not intelligent. This is what he does when it comes to africanamericans. Maxine waters, he did the same thing to her. Low gets very specific about it. Particularly with frms. He thinks were all stupid do you think he believes that . I think so. Let me ask you about the birther thing. Im curious about that. One day before the general election he just dropped it. A tactical retreat. And do you believe he dropped it permanently or because we heard stories he still plays with it once in a while. He still picks at it. That obama was born in indonesia or he was born in kenya. These absurd ideas that a white woman from kansas would purposefully go over to africa or indonesia, have the kid, come back, have it falsely recorded in honolulu newspapers that the babys born, then name the kid hussein obama. I mean, its just Barack Hussein obama. Its insane. It is. And nobody who isnt a racist would make a claim like that. Thats what i believe. In unhinged i describe the event youre talking about at trump tower where he had all these veterans come and then he says barack obama was born in the u. S. , thats it. And he felt that he put the Birther Movement to bed. Is it to bed with it . No. But behind the scenes they were force him to say that. And he didnt want to. He did it very, very begrudgingly. . Do you think hes going to use it again . Probably. I just want him to come out and say he never said it. Multiple you think hell lie . I think hell lie. And if he does the tape will come out to show exactly what he said. Lets talk about what happened to you. Somewhere along the lines i think he betrayed the relationship with you. He dropped his support for you or something. How did you end up in the situation room with general kelly with the door locked and youre basically almost being guillotined, like youre going to get fired so fast and run out of there so fast you cant say a word. What do you make of that . He also said things could get ugly for me and there would be damage to my reputation. General kelly did. General kelly. What did he mean . He meant that if i didnt go along with if you didnt walk out the door at that moment no, no, that if i didnt go along with what they were saying i would res sxwrooin stay on until the 20th and then ultimately sign this 15,000 a month agreement with the Trump Campaign to stay silent, they wanted to buy my silence, if i didnt go along with that things would get ugly for me and there would be damage to my reputation. He took me in the situation room, which was very unusual which room was that . Was that the Osama Bin Laden room . It was the president s conference room. It wasnt the room where we watched Hillary Clinton and joe biden no, thats the smaller one on the lower level. How did you note door was locked behind you . Thats creepy. Well, you cant enter the situation room without them allowing you access and you cant xilt without them allowing you to exit. How do you know you couldnt get out of the rom . Because i had been in there. I had gone in there when we had this hurricane do you hear a click . You do. Its a very ominous place. But its supposed to be a very secure place. Why did he take me well, whats the answer . Sfwli asked him if i could leave. He told me four times i couldnt leave. He wanted to intimidate me, he wanted to put fear in me and he didnt want anyone to know what they were doing to me in that room. Somebody said to me today he thinks knowing the geography of the white house they took you down to the basement to the sit room so that you wouldnt be near the president i and you couldnt just as a friend of the president , you felt you were a friend of the president. They said oh, my, if we did this in the chief of staffs office which is right near the oval office shell just walk two doors down and talk to trump. Did you have a sense they sequestered you on purpose . Oh, he did that on purpose. He not only wanted to have me isolated. He wanted me to be afraid. And he was effective at that. I was very afraid. You went in there just like youre here and you baldfacedly walked in with a recording device. How did you get past the electronic sensors that can pick up on a recording machine in the situation room . How did you pull it off . You know, chris, because of the threats from the president and his Legal Team Im going ton share that information. You are didnt have a pen or i will tell you that im so glad that i did it because no one would believe me if i didnt have that recording that general kelly said that he runs the white house and not the president , hes in control, the staff answers to him and not the president. No one would believe that he would say, that that dobld trump is being puppeted. My minds jumping around here. Theres so much at work here. It took hours. But when you were listening to that tape finally after you published unhinged i dont mind showing it off. We sell books here. You go out, youre listening to the tape and you finally get to hear him say this awful racially derogatory stuff, multiple times, in this three minutes you listened to. Did you ever try to retape that . Did you bring a tape recording with you . No. Why didnt you it was very specific to put headphones on. But i immediately called laura and eric. Thats erics wife. To share what id learned. And we had those conversations. I actually have those conversations with her. Where i shared with her whos this . Laura trump. I called her to tell her what i heard and what was happening. And she wasnt surprised. She was just kind of in damage control mode. Lets talk about this nondisclosure mode. The only thing i know about nondisclosure is youre a public employee, youre paid by the United States government, the of nondisclosure would only be if you made a separate i guess a contract, and i dont think you sko be required to sign a contract as a public employee. Whats this about the trump people saying theyve got a nondisclosure signed by you . Not by me. They presented they with in nda. They brought it to my office. The moment they said i couldnt show it to my attorneys i knew but what would you get out of signing Something Like that . It was because donald trump was tired of the leaks and he thought if he had these agreements that he could fear put fear in people and they would stop leaking. But it didnt stop the leakers. He offered you i did the math. 12 times 15,000. He offered you 185,000 a year for a noshow job basically. They told me i could work from home, i didnt have to come in if i didnt want, to just take 15,000 how can they talk like that where it sounds like direct hush money, it sounds like watergate, theyre hushing you up for a lot of money. Thats more than a senator makes. It is. Chris, theres a lot of people who signed these agreements. Sean spicer signed one. How do you know he did . He signed one with the America First because they offered me a job i could choose between the rnc, America First or the Trump Campaign. Where was the hush cash coming from . Well, in the Trump Campaign it comes from donations, which is illegal. In America First it also comes from donations. Rnc im not really sure where that money comes from. But they have Keith Schiller the president s bodyguard on a retainer for 15,000 a month. To remind people that work for a living, thats 185k a year. Its a lot of money. Its just unusual that trumps former bodyguard is on the payroll. I asked you a couple hours ago if you have any other recordings. You wouldnt share them here. Do you got some . Oh, i have plenty. Anything mueller would like to see, Robert Mueller . If his office calls again if they want would you be part of the investigation by mueller . Anything they want i will do you think trumps going to be impeached . At this point yes. Thank you very much, omarosa. And the book is, i dont mind saying, it she came here to sell it, unhinged. Its actually unhinged in the title. Omarosa, thank you for coming on. Thanks for having me. Coming up, President Trumps attorney Rudy Giuliani now denies he ever asked fbi director james comey to give Michael Flynn a break. He switched completely in a month. And trump delivers yet another dressing down of his own attorney general. He calls him benjamin button. The older he gets the smaller he gets. Anyway, the prosecutor has rested its case in the financial fraud trial of former Trump Campaign manager Paul Manafort. Its the first major test of course for muellers operation. Well get a report on how theyre handling the case. Looks like theyre winning. And a oneyear anniversary of that deadly white supremacist rally in charlottesville came and went this time thank god with no serious violence. But President Trump continues to skirt the top wik a tweet condemning, i love, this all types of racism. Is this the kind of language the far right was hoping to hear and still does from him . Well get into that as well as my interview just now with omarosa and the hardball round table. First let me finish with the greatest broadcast newsperson of all times, edward r. Murrow. This is hardball, where the action is. Let your perfect drive come together at the lincoln summer invitation sales event. 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