Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180809

Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180809 23:00:00

September, then we have a very, very serious violation of the Justice Department rules that you shouldnt be conducting one of these investigations in the 60day period. There has been an informal tradition in the Justice Department. But in a recent report the Justice Department Inspector General noted the 60day rule is not written or described in any Department Day policy or regulation and does not call to an end for active investigations. Giuliani also attacked the Special Counsels motives. He knows the answers to every question he wants to ask. He is going to ask him did you do you think we are fools . You want to trap him into perjury. The reality is that he doesnt need to ask a single question on obstruction, he has all the answers. The president is not going to change his testimony. Stop the nonsense. You dont have a case. President trump joining in on the Attack Tweeting today, this is an illegally brought rigged witch hunt run by people who are totally corrupt and or conflicted it was started and paid for by crooked Hillary Clinton. The confrontation could be more political than legal. Jonathan swan of Axios Writing Giuliani is setting up unmeatable expectations for Special Counsel mueller a kind of Insurance Policy with the president s base by claiming so doesnt work to attack the media to attack your opponents. I think in this case, Rudy Giuliani has been talking nonsense from the get go. He says what the law is what the law is not. Donald trump has never been in a position to sit down and testify under oath, not under oath because he cant tell the truth, and cant determine fact from fiction. He will either incriminate himself because keeps not understanding what is illegal or commit perjury. So i think the problem with their show is that they have been banking on frankly just like we heard last night from devin nunes. A lot of protection. What happens if that goes away. You have Real Committee chairman who is going to subpoena all documents and take their chargeRudy Giuliani, with jay sekulow. Is he hughing to what he says. The president wants in a lawyer, is somebody to get out there and fight and say things that may not be the things that other lawyers would say. To get out on television and to challenge and stir up the political waters if you will. That is what Rudy Giuliani is doing. He is doing what the president wants him to do. That may not be the best strategy. It may be that another lawyer who has gone through these high profile cases want this kind of advice. The president wanted to be out there and mixing it up and sit back and play the lawyers game. I think this is the strategy that he wants. I hope if i get in trouble with a prosecutor, i get to decide what they ask and dont ask. He is bringing it out into the fall Election Campaign and Chris Matthews debates hot political issues with politicians, newsmakers and Washington leaders. How essential is it then to get the interview . Well, they could, it depends on how much mueller wants to bank on this subpoena issue. Whether or not he feels on the law on his side. I personally think the law is on his side. A sitting president is not above the law. It wasnt exactly on point. It was for documents not tape and everything would indicate that the court would rule in muellers favor. It behooves both parties to do this voluntarily like clinton did. We saw him testify before the grand jury via video tape and that worked out for him. That is interesting too, there is negotiation with clinton. Ken starr give the subpoena. The issue may have never reached the Supreme Court. Jennifer rubin, that Chris Matthews debates hot political issues with politicians, newsmakers and Washington leaders. Up and trump doesnt show up, we continue to the Supreme Court and ultimately the Supreme Court is going to have to decide does the president of the United States in a criminal trial have to respond to a subpoena . Now once again, he could take the fifth amendment. That would be truly horrible for the head of the federal government to be interposing his own interest between that of Law Enforcement and the president of the United States. So that becomes a very painful exercise. And i think it is not a good look for the republicans to have the president claiming that he is above the law. It doesnt go over well and sits poorly with people. And i think it is going to be very hard if this thing goes up the chain for Republicans Who are likely to take quite a beating anyway in november to continue to defend this behavior. Peter, if it ended up playing out this way, that would be playing out with the midterm elections sort of the backdrop with the midterm elections. Your sense in the white house do they believe this could be an asset for them or is this bluster. They might as well try to use it to generate as much passion as they can among supporters. Jennifer is right with what the clinton team did. They concluded they didnt have a legal case to stand on to resist the subpoena. And she was right, they didnt negotiate the subjects, they negotiated the time limits. They does have a midterm in that case as well. That influenced the Impeachment Effort in the hill. That could happen here. This is no question going to be giuliani is wrong, is it is specifically for a candidate. Mueller and his team will take that into consideration. If they dont come down with an indictment or subpoena prior to September 1st they will wait. James comey didnt follow that rule. We all remember. So it is not really a hard and fast situation. All right. Thank you all for joining us. And coming up, remember when donald trump promised to hire quote the best people. Former Campaign Manager on trial. Two Cabinet Members forced to resign over ethics issue. Congressional supporters facing charges of insider trading. Speaking of november, going to head over to the big board and take a look at the state of play. Not just the special election in ohio, a lot more that happened on tuesday. And President Trump bragged that any candidate he campaigns for will win. Finally, roundtable with the easiest job in the world, telling me something i dont know. This is hardball where the action is. Not so cute when theyre angry. And we covered it. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum ito take care of anyct messy situations. And put irritation in its place. And if i can get comfortable keeping this tookus safe and protected. 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We have incredibly talented people that will be put in cabinet positions and other positions, you will be very proud of it. Welcome back to hardball. That was donald trump on the Campaign Trail boasting that he will hire only the best people. A pledge his critics say he has fallen far short of. Paul manafort is charged with tax evasion. Former National Security advise ermichael flynn pled guilty to lying to the fbi. And Chris Collins charged with insider trading. Two of trumps cabinets were forced out over alleged ethical violations. Democrats hoping it might stir a backlash with voters in november. Joined by timothy obrian. What do we know about how donald trump hires people . If you are going to hire the best people, you have to be the best person and donald trump has never been the best person. He is not a sophisticated manager, not patient. He has always cut people quickly. If you dont build a strong team, you dont have a lot of loyalty and dont attract first tier people to come to the team. He has attracted opportunist. The people who came into his campaign werent convinced that he was going to win the election and saw this as a quick hit. Low and behold he won. They went there to a certain expect they were on the dole, the trump dole. Joined by ruth marcus. I heard mike murphy on a podcast recently. He said he likened the Campaign Trump put together, the island of misfit toys. Making the point that we are hearing here. Wouldnt have found a home in a lot of cases in other political campaigns. I have a very vivid memory of that when then candidate trump came to the Washington Post Editorial Board in march of the election list. He unveiled his list of Foreign Policy advisors. None of us really heard of. They included carter page and george papadopoulos. How did that one work out . That is interesting too, that has led to controversy, speculation and investigation and it ends up being a defense that you heard offered by trump allies that is essentially, hey, the guy put no effort into this. That ends up being the defense of carter page and george papadopoulos. Essentially saying trump didnt care, he wanted names on the page. He did care in the sense that the people that he has surrounded himself with, i think tim is exactly right. The supply is limited. A lot of people who would ordinarily want to work in a white house scurry away. Also people who want to be surrounded by sycophants and want the adoring Cabinet Meeting and the ego stroking he basks in. And if you are not wanting to do that, he is hiring for the stroking. And if you are not willing to do that, he doesnt want you around him the guy who ran for president in 2016, a lot of people would argue he was in position because of the apprentice. The eye for talent and all that sort of thing. Im wondering, though, reputation politically now, a lot of people who have traditional political resumes on the republican side do not want to be near this administration. Back in the days trump the business man, what was the reputation. It was a boutique mom and pop operation. Elite real estate laughed at him. Considered somewhat of a cartoon character. Selling this illusion of being a gifted entrepreneur and being someone who could spot talent. And sold the similar illusion on the Campaign Trail. It was a very apprentice type of promise which he largely has not been able to deliver on. Donald trump himself is enormously conflicted. He has more financial conflicts of interest than anybody else who has sat in the oval office. Anyone in the administration looking for guidelines whether you are wilbur ross or scott pruitt. Even if unconnected are piling up. There are threads getting easier to tie up. Republicans are out for themselves. Collins may be a minor figure in all of this. I wonder about that a little bit in this sense. In 2006, there were a number of republican congressional scandals, the one right before the election was mark foley. Drain the swamp. Is there any difference in how the public perceives this now only anybody tin the sense that of this about trump was aired in 2016. How much was baked in when he was elected. I think in 2018, you have an electorate that is convinced that the whole place stinks, swampy with democrats and swampy with republicans. And i think you make a really important point. The Culture Of Corruption Argument worked very well for democrats back in the day because the center piece of the corruption and the Corruption Scandals actually were in the congress. You had all of the jake abramo if. F. Here, it is a little bit of a bank shot. Collins might make it easier. The better argument for democrats is not just culture of corruption, but more focusing on check on trump, check on power. People understand that this Administration Needs a little bit of oversight say, and thats where that interesting devin nunes tape comes in. So not just draining the swamp but overseeing the president. A check on president. Worked except for two exceptions. Ruth marcus, timothy obrien. Thanks for joining us. Ahead to the big board. Primaries that may have offered us powerful clues. The this is hardball where the action is. To lower my a1c. I take tresiba® once a day. Tresiba® controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction. woman wed been counting down to his retirement. It was our tresiba® reason. He needs insulin to control his High Blood Sugar and, at his age, hes at greater risk for low blood sugar. Tresiba® releases slow and steady and works all day and night like the bodys insulin. vo tresiba® is a longacting insulin used to control High Blood Sugar in adults with diabetes. 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This is the biggest headline. Cathy mcmorris rogers. She is in the leadership and she is pretty solidly republican district. In this open primary, she ran barely ahead of her democratic opponent. Under 50 . She is running in a solidly republican district. 26 years since elected a democrat. And yet under 50 . The lineage in this district, 1994, a democratic speaker of the house, tom foley represented this district. People started to say, does this mean there is a big wave here, two months later, democrats lost the house for the first time in 40 years. And became the first democrat since the civil war to lose the district. How about this one, open seat here. A republican incumbent not running. District that was run by three points by Hillary Clinton. This man. Dino rossi, we got a great candidate here, a test this week. How popular is he in that primary, 43 . Open primary. The democrat behind there. Not the number Republicans W wanted to see. This one, Jaime Herrera beutler. Running with 42 in this primary. That is a trouble sign. Sorts of indicator when they pop up. Is there a trend, is there a pattern. And this wasnt a primary, but something that we have been talking about. Chris collins, republican from new york. Under indictment. He is running. It was a district that was on nobodys radar until 24 hours ago because President Trump carried this thing by 24 points. If collins stayed in this race, this is republican, and maytrum republican. If you want to know, funny things start to happen in wave years. Candidates get jammed up like collins. Maybe you know this name, and if not goiogle it. Patrick flanigan. Up next, the republican tax plan not cutting it with voters. Trumps appeal is wavering. Ramping up the fear and anxiety when it comes to pelosi. Wil

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