Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180406

Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180406



without giving evidence made another startling comment about women immigrants getting raped at levels never seen before. amid all this, trump has reportedly sidelined his chief of staff and is publicly standing up to his living it up epa director scott pruitt. pruitt is facing mounting questions about ethics and spending habits. there's his reported taste for luxury travel that he often sits in first or business class. pruitt said he needed to because of unpleasant interactions with other travelers meaning those pesky citizens in coach. he's the first epa ex-administrator to have a 24-hour security detail at all times. his office requested a bullet proof sport utility vehicle with so-called run flat tires and pruitt wanted to use flashing lights and sirens in his motorcade, a perk more commonly associated with the presidency to expedite local tripses in washington to the airport or just to dinner. including at least one drip top le diplomate a trendy french restaurant he frequented. according to times", at least five officials at the epa were reassigned or doe meted or requested new jobs after they raised concerns been spending habits. a spokesman called them a group of disgruntled employees. there are the questions about ethics after reports pruitt paid just $50 a night to stay in a capitol hill condominium linked to a lobbyist whose firm represents oil people. here's pruitt this week defending himself. >> why did you then accept $50 a night to rent a condo from the wife of i've washington lobbyist. >> let's talk about that. that is something again that has been reviewed by officials here. they've said that's market rate. >> you're renting from the wife of a lobbyist is that williams and jensen, major lobbying firm. exxonmobil is a client. >> mr. hart has no clients. >> does exxonmobil have business before you. >> mr. hart has no clients that the have business before this agency. >> according to "wall street journal," john kelly told president trump last week he's convinced pruitt needs to step down, in other words go. today white house spokeswoman sarah sanders addressed his job security. let's watch her. >> president feels that the administrator has done a good job at epa. he's restored it back to its or purpose. we're continuing to review any of the concerns that we have. i'll keep you posted if there's anything -- if there's anything further on that front. >> has done a good job, not is doing a good job. this morning trump tweeted pruitt is doing a great job but totally under siege. that's the president talking. that might not be comfort to pruitt as trump defended other cabinet members he later was forced to force out. >> sfkt tom price is also here. today, dr. price still lives the scout oath, helping to keep millions of americans it strong and healthy as our secretary of health and human services and he's doing a great job. david shulkin, our secretary has done a great job. the va was a mess. >> and they're all gone. after nbc reported national security adviser h.r. mcmaster was going to be replaced, spokesman michael anton said that he was just with the president and mcmaster both of them together in the oval office, president trump said that the nbc news story is fake news and told mcmaster he's doing a great job. they're all gone now. i'm joined by yamiche alcindor did, jonathan lemire and politics editor at "the daily beast" sam stein. yamiche, are you a godfather fan? have you noticed fredo, you broke my heart? your mother dies. you're gone from here going out in the boat saying your hail marys. he seems to do it in the same ritualistic way. >> tom is it telling michael to kill fredo and he's not doing it. essentially explain that for the people who watched "the godfather." the fact the president is defying john kelly reportedly telling him. >> i like the godfather references. they're very sophisticated. >> really good. >> but the fact that the president is defying his chief of staff hosteling him to resign and telling him that he needs to go and the fact that you have sarah saeshds who is basically saying look, he's kind of under review, i think scott pruitt has a lot to worry about. if he does another interview like fox news and comes off looking that crazy again, the president is not going to have him much longer. >> tell me this trade craft you engage in white house coverage. how come we know what john kelly told the president about pruitt? how can we know him he told him to fire him? he tells somebody in the pressey told him to firefighter guy? >> cooperate with more than one person. several people in the building can give accounts can of a conversation. >> it looked like it was fed. just a thought. that would goose the move, wouldn't it? get the word out i told you to get rid of the guy. >> trump sometimes acts in contrarian purposes to what his chief of staff advised him. pruitt was in the oval office today for a meeting where he was going to talk about rolling back regulations, fuel efficiency standards and pleaded with the president, made his case. this is why i should still be in the job. he's lost a lot of support within the west wing but still has unlike david shulkin who lost his job, still has a lot of outside support. people in the industry. >> people hate the environment. >> people who may not want to protect the environment and they have been in the president's ear saying this guy is getting conservative done. >> they get their own scar tissue on their own and don't want it from people under them. this guy is taking a lot of bad hits, the ethics teams out there and maybe the environmental teams out to get him. he doesn't want that hanging on his administration, does? >> he >> no, and we're reporting tonight that one of the sub ports here is an incredible amount of tension that exists between senior white house. >> the beast. >> senior white house staff and senior epa staff in which part of the reason than pruitt went on anddon this media tour is because he thought he would get no air cover from anyone else in the white house. he felt he had to defend himself. >> kelly told him to stop doing television. >> correct. at the felt like he had to plead his case. kelly's move is a big gamble if you ask me, to let it be known you want this guy gone, if trump turns and does not fire pruitt it, completely undermines kelly's standing within the administration. i think there's multiple balls in the air here. i think kelly's in a tough spot, too. >> jonathan, you're reporting that trump is freezing out kelly. >> there's no question kelly has lost a lot of influence within the west wing, that the president has stopped consulting him for a lot of key decisions. he an opposed the hiring of john bolton. trump did it anyway made the job offer when kelly wasn't there. kelly didn't accompany him to mar-a-lago when trump went on a twitter tirade and tariffs. he wasn't on the call when trump called putin and congratulated him and said to him, good job on your reelection. we know kelli is frustrated too and that is told people around him he hoped to make the year mark which would be july. he started expressing doubts he'll get that far. the presidents is -- this is all connected to him feeling like i can govern with my gut. >> can you report now that the president of the united states even though he's the top person in our government has to sneak around his staff guy to get something done? >> has told people around him he has stopped telling kelly what he wants to do. >> he's also telling people if he got rid of john kelly he might not have the another chief of staff. trump is making it known not only might i get rid of this general but i might wing it on my own because i'm tire add of listening to people. >> why is trump raising the temperature this week? it's the end of the week. the china war, the rape on the border, the caravans. what is this whole -- i think when things get difficult for him when he starts to get nervous about his right ward corner ann coulter, he feels the safest thing is to raise the temperature high and get his people behind him even in the short run. >> part of that is because he's going back to campaign mode. he felt most at home when he was out there. >> april of 20918, he's going into campaign mode. there's no election right now. >> if you listened to him in west virginia, i was standing there watching. wait, are we talking about rapes and immigrants again and throwing the paper saying i'm bored with infrastructure so i'll go on a tirade about voter fraud and there's no evidence that millions voted illegally? when he gets frustrated he goes back on this tirade. >> there's something to the fact that here's a man who throughout his life, his professional life has never been handled. no one's told him not to do things. >> it's worked for him. >> yeah, he got bailed out. >> some kind of billionaire and he's president. he says what have you guys done. >> that's objectively true. >> you're talking about me and i'm him from his point of view. >> and to be -- and at this point in his presidency, the people who came in with him to handle him, the people brought in to handle him have largely been diminished or put aside. at this juncture, he's going back to the idea that kib net tick energy around everything. always being premiering something, always dangle a firing. > always be fighting with somebody. >> the media moves minute by minute. isn't he right he has to grab the attention that have minute. >> he doesn't have to. at the wants to. >> who else will if he doesn't? >> there is a vacuum na could be filled by someone oppositional. >> this is rare for a president to feel like he has to nominate every single headline. >> in an interview this morning, trump said he wasn't likely to attend the white house correspondents dinner this year. here's what he says is his reason. >> i sort of feel that the press is so bad, it's so fake, in many cases they literally make up sources. nine sources within the white house have said. there are no nine sources. so i just think that i want to get it straightened out with the press before i do it. it's probably pretty unlikely. i didn't do it last year. had i had a rally instead. >> it was much funnier. >> the dinner was a massive failure. >> i'm going to turn you -- >> i probably won't do it. >> you know, he's now posing as the scolding school master like he has to wrap our knuckles as if you know he's going to find the press, you know, in error here. he's not going to say they have changed their ways. >> this goes back to the fact that he felt wounded when he did go to the white house correspondents dinner and was ridiculed and had to listen to barack obama say all these jokes. it goes back to the fact he doesn't want to be embarrassed. at his core he wants to be respected. >> he's the star if he goes this time. >> he's the star. he's the star. he can't take a joke. there are people around him. >> you think he didn't like the gridiron? >> i think he had a reasonably good time. remember the al smith dinner and the later stages of the campaign. >> hillary clearly beat him that night. >> it was a charity dinner. he lost the room. he was so mean in his remarks. they weren't funny. they were biting. he got booed. >> it's a largely catholic affair and he said she's here to pretend he doesn't hate catholics. >> he got booed. this is not his natural element. this year he is permitting white house staff to go when last year they couldn't. >> how gracious, thank you. >> the al smith din ser a bloomberg crowd. it's a rich crowd. >> he's one of the poor guys in the room. >> if he feels like we have to come to an understanding with him before he attends, he's better off not attending. > we will be nice to you for seven straight days. i don't think it's going to be -- we'll see who this comedian is. thank you, yamiche and john and sam. coming up, the russia probe. mueller's investigators are reportedly tracking down president trump's business partners even showing up unannounced at their homes armed with subpoenas. now there's word mueller's team is particularly interested in trump's long-term it were attorney michael cohen. this investigation is agiceberg. there's a lot happening under the surface of the water. plus, president trump now says he didn't know about the hush money to adult film star stormy davis -- daniels. and what is the worst case scenario for the whole stormy question? 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"armed with subpoenas compelling electronic records and sworn testimony, mueller's team showed up unannounced at the moment of the business associate who was a party to multiple transactions to trump's effort to expands his business abroad." investigators are interested in michael cohen, his personal fixer who is deeply embroiled in the stormy daniels segment. among other things, cohen was involved in business deals secured or south by the trump organization in russia, kazakhstan and russia and attempting to develop a trump tower project in moscow an effort that took place while he was running for president. and as "the new york times" reported last month, the special counsel subpoenaed documents from the trump organization earlier this year. i'm joined by kim whaley and natasha bertrand who covers the russia probe for the atlantic. we're looking for what this tells us, kim. what does it tell you he's now fishing around and interviewing people subpoenaing them meaning they have to talk and their documents about trump's business stuff? >> well, it tells us they're bloodhounds on trail where the facts go and tells us they're interested in knowing whether any foreign nationals or governments contributed money to a political campaign. that's illegal. >> what got them on that trail? what led them to believe? what sent the bloodhounds thinking unexplained money showed up in the trump campaign? >> it's hard to say. i know from whitewater what we know is just the tip of the iceberg. there's a whole lot of information and dots we need to connect that we can't because we don't have the information. we do nope they process was ticked off by papadopoulos's interview with the australian in london and then of course, at this point, they're talking gate to gates and mr. flynn and gates will a right-hand first front row seat with mfrt to what was happening in the trump campaign. >> and natasha, we've watched all this week all these different tentacles if you will. still the question of what happened in the seychelles? and what did nader have to do that? apparently much deeper tied to the russians than we thought. we thought he was an in between person. he may have been part of the russian deal. meetings like that going back to trump tower with the family members there and all the time, michael cohen and what he's been up to overseas. is trump was he trying to make money as he ran for president and entang lick both together. >> mueller's investigation i think was always going to shift into a follow the money type probe in terms of whether or not the president actually had -- whether or not russian had leverage over the president probably in the form of something financial because of his real estate empire. with regard to nader, there was reporting this week that he actually met with erik prince before and after this meeting in the say shells to kind of brief him on this russian financier they were going to meet with. and what i've heard is that this meeting in the seychelles was actually about activating some kind of bank accounts. that is something that mueller would be interested in. why was erik prince a trump supporter defacto member of the trump campaign meeting with had russian financier who is very close to putin in the seychelles and what can george nader tell mueller about it. michael cohen has been privy to pretty much every deal the trump organization has made within the past couple decades. if he entered into business with a russian or eastern european, he would know about it. with his controversy surrounding the daniels case, might be in the position to be flipped and cooperate with mueller. >> mueller's people are stopping oligarchs at the border, and grabbing them. they're saying let's see your computer, can your laptop. they start going through it. this is aggressive stuff. >> the element of surprise is quite helpful to their advantaging in this instance. i agree that mr. cohn is not only in the middle of it, but we see with stormy daniels he's either violating his ethics rules with respect to his lawyer org he's not telling it tus the truth. one way or the other, he's covering. > jumping ahead to the next segment of this program, since i've got you here, the fact that he signs the president up for a nondisclosure agreement using his signature at least david dennison, his aka without now trump says he didn't know anything about it? one of them is not telling it the truth. the president's not telling it the truth. >> or they're both not telling it the truth. >> can a lawyer sign somebody up to a contract without a permission. >> not without communicating with their client what they're planning to do. it's not realistic. we have to be realistic about the facts. >> how would the president at the time when he sign this had deal know he wasn't supposed to talk about his affair with stormy daniels if he didn't know there was an agreement not to talk about it? has anybody brought that up? isn't? >> he if you're obliged to do something under a contract, $130,000 goes one way but both parties are told don't talk about this under this agreement. the attorney never tells his client he's now tied to this. >> one of the saving graces in all of this for trump anyway is that he never signed the agreement. that's part of the reason they're arguing now that it's valid. >> that's not actually a magical thing in contract law. they both performed on the agreement. i don't think that's going to be anything. >> okay. the fact is trump should have known he should have been quiet about something. he was never even told. new court filing in the plfrt case last night indicates that investigators obtained a new search warrant as recently as last month. apparently the seventh time warrants have been issued and executed in connection with the manafort -- talk about a full-court press. the filing indicates this was associated with a five telephone numbers controlled by at&t which suggests investigators are probing new leads. the warrant said it was obtained in march on march 9th actually. that's the same day campaign adviser sam nunberg testified before the grand jury. natasha, seven times this guy's been searched. this does seem like something out of "homeland." they're roaring in and clearing out every drawer in his whatever. chest of drawers looking for under the socks. i mean. >> paul manafort's entry into the campaign coincided with the most pivotal russia related moment of the entire election which, of course was the dumping of the dnc e-mails right before the democratic national convention. so paul manafort, of course, he was in touch with his long-time business associate constantine cla california him nick. now we know gates and manafort were still in touch with him through the entire election. on top of that, paul manafort has been working with russian and ukrainian oligarchs for decad decades. he was always at the center of whether or not the campaign colluded with the russians if not just because his entry into the campaign coincide with all the russian elements of the campaign. >> manafort looks, if i don't know, a croupier or weather is. he looks like he would be involved in this kind of stuff. thank you, kim, and natasha. president trump says he didn't know about that $130,000 payment to film star stormy daniels. the story continues to plague trump, of course. i've been thinking about that. what's the worst case -- is there one or can he get by this? i'm not sure. is this a big deal or not? we'll see. this is "hardball" where the action is. need a change of scenery? the kayak explore tool shows you the places you can fly on your budget. so you can be confident you're getting the most bang for your buck. alo-ha. kayak. search one and done. welcome back to "hardball." president donald trump has finally broken his silence on stormy daniels. here he goes. >> did you know about the 130,000 sd payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> then why did michael cohen make it if there was no obligation. >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael is my attorney. you'll have to ask mike. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment. >> no, i don't know. >> well, the president later ignored a question whether he ever set up a fund from which michael cohen to draw money from. cohn used his trump organization e-mail wa while arranging that hush money payment just days before the 2016 election in october of 2016. anyway, daniels has offered to give back the money she was paid in order to speak freely about the alleged relationship with trump. the white house denied that the president had an affair with the adult film actor. daniels is now suing the president and his lawyer to void the nondisclosure agreement. michael avenatti told ari melber the president's comments strengthened his client's case. let's watch. >> we waited patiently and lo and behold christmas has arrived. the president's comments on air force one are serious for him. serious for michael cohen. how can you have an agreement when one party claims that they don't know anything about the agreement? i mean, these guys are making it up as they go along. they don't note what to say from day in and day out. our case just got a whole lot better. he's effectively thrown michael cohen under the bus from an ethics standpoint with the state bar of new york by making these statements on air force one. again, this is an undisciplined guy who he finally cracked. >> for more i'm joined by legal analyst katie phang. i'm going to ask you the question. what's the worst could happen to the president in this fandango? the worst. >> the worst that could happen to the president is already happening, chris. and that is robert mueller. so what do i mean by that. >> robert mueller has already put his sights upon michael cohen. we just heard in the last segment that he's looking with an exceptional level of scrutiny at trump organization deals with russia, georgia, the ukraine, kazakhstan and he wants to look at specifically michael cohen's involvement. what does stormy daniels have anything to do with this? the reason why trump and do you feel that chill? that is donald trump leaving michael cohen out in the cold. donald trump is denying any knowledge or involvement in this stormy daniels deal because he does not want to be a co-conspirator with michael cohen for any fec campaign finance violations or anything else that could have to do with michael cohen. but the problem for donald trump is this. even though presumptively there is a privilege that exists usually between an attorney and a client that would protect communications, correspondence, et cetera, at this point in time, a crime fraud exception applies meaning if mueller calls in michael cohen and asks him to talk about certain communications had he with donald trump and because there is this crime flaud exception, cohn may be forced to have to disclose communications. that is the worst case scenario for donald trump. it's already happening. and he's not going to be able to stop robert mueller. >> in other words, if the attorney in the case is a target himself of the investigation? >> so cohn's a target. yeah, basically so have you there privilege an attorney/client privilege. but if there is the assistance of a crime, you cannot hide behind the privilege as the lawyer or the client. and so as a result of that, there's going to be a serious problem for mike cohn. that's exactly the reason why trump is basically denying anything and saying you just need to talk to michael cohen about this. >> let me get to the intermediate question which is what mike it will avenatti just said on tape. if there was an nda, the obvious purpose is she will not talk about what he and she did together. now. >> sure. >> according to the argument michael avenatti made it's two ways. a nondisclosure agreement binds both parties tore silence. so therefore, it could not have been made without telling one of the parties the president in this case that he was supposed to keep quiet about it. so if trump is a party to the contract and if trump had no knowledge about the payment which was the consideration given to daniels to buy her silence, then why in the world is trump joining in a motion to compel arbitration? why is trump joining in a federal lawsuit if trump had nothing to do with the underlying contract and that is going to be a serious problem for donald trump. and that is why michael avenatti is going to renew his motion next week to asking that federal judge to be able to take a limited deposition of donald trump and michael cohen before this case gets ruled upon whether it's going to go to arbitration or not. >> an earlier question i meant to say in that question, would an attorney in this case michael avenatti it be ethical in binding his client donald trump to silence without telling donald trump i just bound you to silence? >> no, because -- how, no, the answer's no. michael cohen cannot be bind a clint to anything without the client's approval, as sent and agreement. >> flip your head around for a second. i have never met you. you understand this case obviously clearly. how does trump get out of it? let's imagine are you now his lawyer. how does he swinging this to the point where it doesn't matter in a month? >> two crucial issues. one, if you look at the beginning of the settlement agreement, it says essential consultants llc and/or donald trump and stephanie daniels or stephanie clifford. so basically if you read the beginning that have settlement agreement, it looks as if essential consultants llc or trump could be a party to the agreement. two, she took the money. they bought her silence. she took that money and she exercised and or performed under the contract. so if i'm donald trump, i say look, that was bargained for. she did what she was supposed to do. did i what i was supposed to do or the lc was supposed to do. there's your meeting of the minds. there's your contract. we're going to arbitration. >> thanks so much. you've been great on the show. up next, representative trey gowdy goes full budget worth ahead of his retirement from congress saying he doesn't have a lot to show for his time in washington. why do they only speak the truth when they're heading out the door. you're watching "hardball." ethi. let's see what forensics thinks. sorry i'm late. what did i miss? 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i thought it was a waste at the time. i think a better hearing might have done a better job. what they did didn't. >> i mean, look at marco rubio, for example. he went around for like six months saying that the senate is a terrible place. that it was a waste of time. senators and members of congress aren't accomplishing anything and then turns around and runs for re-election. after all. >> the title, is it a title? they can't walk away from the prestigious title after senator? >> a lot of people do like that. i am struggling with the gowdy one. he talks about congress as if he wasn't a member of congress. he talks about the investigation. >> he said my life's my career has been worthless. >> talks about it like he wasn't leading some of these investigations. if there was a problem with the investigations, a problem with himself, not this distance hold the hankie by the pinky kind of way he's been talking about it. if he still wants to work, he still has time. he has 19 more weeks left in congress. he could call scott pruitt in. that's democrat work. >> ben carson in. he wants to get congress to do something, do something. >> trey gowdy we all watched as a serious southern lawyer who was going to be really clever and catch hillary clinton. >> well. >> it didn't happen. >> a couple things first of all. i agree with you on this. two or three things. it took him seven or eight years to realize he's r his lieu of's work being an executive branch or a lawyer? it takes seven or eight years to get there? nobody put a gun to his head to lead the benghazi investigation. that was a plum job which he sought and wanted. the fact is. >> it sounds like stormy daniels saying i was in the room. remember her testimony? i was in the room. >> but president trump got it right. i don't want to go as far as saying a loser. >> what did he say to voters in the last four elections? did he tell them as he went out, don't re-elect him? this is a joke, this isn't working. > remember in 2016, he practically didn't run again. when boehner resigned they tried to draft him to be majority leader. he turned that down. he's had kind of very public like waffling about the point of being in congress and his own role in congress. >> adolph foe, put your defensive hat. you're the goalie now. in the hockey game. is the republican party as he said only interested in winning? >> is this news? is the democratic party only interested in winning? come on. you've been around. >> only. >> that's a strong statement. only winning? that's all it is. >> nancy pelosi is only interested in winning. > she doesn't have any values. >> interested in winning for what purpose. >> that's not true. >> to implement an agenda. >> health care was not popular. nancy pelosi laid her body on the train tracks, got health care passed. democrats lost the house because they believed in getting health care done. >> barack obama put that as the agenda. and shoved that down nancy pel's throat. same as the president that has put forth a lot of proposals that a lot of republicans are uncomfortable with. both the speaker and the majority leader have been supportive because it's the president's agenda. >> nancy pelosi. >> in your reporting, don't you find parties do want stuff? they don't just want re-election. republicans love tax cuts especially for the rich. >> to your point, mitch mcconnell often says winners make policy, losers go home. in order to you know, get policy the first thing you have to do is win. it's political necessity. if that's trey gowdy's criticism, i don't know that that is a criticism. >> republicans have given up on free trade, moral values. they gave up on all the issues believing in the issues that republicans believed in. even russia. >> republicans. >> if you can't get republicans to be against russia -- >> you just imposed additional sanctions on russia today. the this whole idea about trade, we'll wait and see what the president does ultimately on trade. >> how far can the stock market drop before we find out? >> said it today. we're still ahead in the stock market. we might suffer. >> january of '17, yeah. hell down from where we were. we were at 2600 -- 26,000. now we're down to 2300. >> a lot of programs we were having about the stock market going up and all the successes of the trump administration. it's only when it's a little bit down temporarily. but -- >> it scares me. we don't do a lot of stock market coverage till it really is interesting. when it's frightening. >> the stock market will be higher than it is. >> that makes me happy. >> wait and see. it's true. >> the roundtable is sticking with us. up next after that bullish comment, we'll have these guys tell us something we don't know. you're watching "hardball." for leisure. so i go national, where i can choose any available upgrade in the aisle - without starting any conversations- -or paying any upcharges. what can i say? control suits me. go national. go like a pro. ♪ today is a good day to make a plan for your financial goals and your everyday ones too. pnc can help. we'll be with you every step of the way. let's start today. roundtable. erica, tell me something i don't know. it's friday night. >> beat had an interesting poll today, "the washington post" with caser family foundation that found that since 2016 it, one in five americans have participated new political protests. 19% of those people had never done so before in their lives. and 70% of them motivated by distrust dislike of the president. >> sounds right to me. i'm sure your crowd estimates are more in line with the president's. >> i think so. i think you this north korea summit will be tied to trade. i think tthe other for being a democr coand jamal simmons. trump watch is back. you're watching "hardball." ♪ i've always wanted to have a photo exhibit of the faces of our community and those people that create the heart and the soul of where we live. directer: so i think we can make that happen oh my gosh, you're kidding me. introducing the suv equipped to make your first-ever happen. the first-ever ford ecosport is here. introducing the suv equipped to make your first-ever happen. a hilton getaway means you get more because you get a break on breakfast get an extra day by the pool get to spend more time together get more from your spring break getaway with exclusive hilton offers. book yours, only at hilton.com trump watch friday april 6, 2018. have you noticed something about the republicans the way they talk about president trump? if they're about to retire they say things like senator cork ker of tennessee did. "when his term is over, the constant nontruth telling is what will be remembered most important and that's regretful." if you're a republican about to retear you say things like congress from pennsylvania. he compared his party to a dysfunctional family. dad's drunk again but we don't talk about it. do you have to be on your way out the door to say things like that or what are congressman gowdy said about the president. if you're innocent, act like it. if you have the done something wrong, you want the investigation to be as thorough as possible. or senator flake, had he ever has a party fled its principles and deeply held beliefs so quickly as my party did. if we're going to cloister ourselves in the truth of an erratic leader, my party might not deserve to lead. what does it say about the grand old party of abraham lincoln that its members must hang it up and free themselves of voters before they dare say what they think? why do they have to take the truth serum of requirement to come through with their honest view of the way their leader is leading or misleading their country. now here's chris hayes. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight something different. you may have already seen some of the news-making sound bites from our sxwv with tim cook of apple who sat down with kara swisher and i at a town hall in chicago last week. tonight we bring you a full hour with the apple ceo. it was an illuminate tag discussion covering everything from and al's responsibility to workers to their approach to customer privacy to exactly what tim cook would do if he were in mark zuckerberg's shoes right now. revolution, apple changing the world starts right now. >> tim cook the leader of one of the most innovative and influential kchz our time. >> we've always i

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