Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20171118

Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20171118

Against the foundation, and now against my husband, he will not step down. And yet, republicans may have reason to be nervous. Two polls two days in a row show moore trailing his democratic opponent. The latest poll out today shows moore five points behind. And yesterday, a fox news poll had him down eight points. In washington, there is one republican, however, glaringly absent from the conversation about roy moore. President donald trump hasnt spoken or tweeted a word about the Senate Candidate since returning from his trip to asia. And here is how the president reacted to a question this week about moore. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you all. Should roy moore resign, mr. President . Do you believe his accusers . Thank you. Do you believe the accusers of roy moore, mr. President . Should he resign . His response was very different to another scandal. Yesterday a radio news anchor accused senator al franken of kissing her without permission. It happened during a uso tour in 2006. The two were rehearsing a skit. Shes are released this photo. She said today she accepted frankens apology. Last night trump tweeted, the Al Frankenstein picture is really bad. Speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures two, three, four, five, and six while she sleeps . And to think that just last week he was lecturing anyone who would listen about Sexual Harassment and respect for women. Well, trump ends with the question, leslie staal tape . That appears to be a reference to a 1995 new York Magazine article which saturday night live writers were discussing a skit about 60 minutes. Franken suggested a joke about raping leslie staal. Well, trump is the man who once bragged about being able to grab womens private parts. More than a dozen women accused him of Sexual Assault or misconduct. Hes denied all of them. Any way, Sarah Huckabee sanders was asked about all the different responses to the two stories. Lets watch her. Some critics have said it was hypocritical of the president to tweet about al franken and not weigh in on roy moore. He has weighed in on roy moore. He did it while he was on a foreign trip in asia. I did it repeatedly yesterday. To suggest that this white house, and specifically that this white house hasnt weighed in is just inaccurate and wrong. He said if the allegations are true, he should step aside. He also weighed in when he supported the rncs decision to withdraw resources from the state of alabama. Im joined now by charlie sykes, shannon pettypiece, and clarence pates. I want to start with charlie on this. What do you make of, well, its obvious a question, but ill ask you, why does he not talk about moore but he talks about franken . Kind of rough to put it lightly. Yeah. I mean, the hypocrisy has hair on it in this case. Number one, donald trump understands that his base is still with roy moore, and thats the message that steve bannon has been spitting out and nothing this president ever does separates from the base. And number two, look, you know, this is his playbook. The maybook is to play the card of what aboutism. He thinks this playbook worked for him. This is basically the entire message of the moore campaign, the evangelical christians supporting moore, which is to turn it around like he did with access hollywood. But the question is whether that playbook accounts for the way the game has changed. But hes still going back to, this is what donald trump does, he punches back and does not separate himself from his base. I dont know where to start here. Shannon, this is you know, the way the president played this was so gross. It wasnt like he said theres the guy caught in a terribly embarrassing and off manner satirizing, hes touching this woman while hes sleep. Then he suggested this bill cosby allegation that hes groping her. He outgrosses al franken by a mile in his own imagination. What do you think . The tweet doesnt make very much sense. I mean, like a lot of his tweets dont necessarily make sense. Where are we in pictures two, three, four, five, and six . I dont know if there were two, three, four there probably werent. It doesnt make any sense. But to charlies point, this strategy that i see a lot of parallels and the access hollywood tape. Even a similar time between now and when weve got about three weeks before the election. Theres a lot that can help between now and then. If roy moore takes the donald trump strategy of dig his heels in, fight, fight, fight, counterpunch, raise a few doubts in peoples minds, hold your ground, he could pull off the same thing, because when the voters of alabama go by themselves in that voting booth, and there have been life long republicans, are they going to pull the lever for the name of the democrat on there . That doesnt seem to be any momentum to get another republican in there. Clarence, lets fete back to our area of specialty, which is politics. It seems to me that as we talk about it here up in the national media, the people down in alabama are taking care of this quite well themselves. They are shifting away from their normal voting pattern of voting republican here, and theyre all shifting over at least in the polling today and yesterday, to jones, the democratic nominee. I think thats critical, chris. One thing that donald trump knows about, its his base. He understands audience. And i think the way he ran away from the microphone when he was asked about roy moore today was indicative of how he does not want to divide his base. He sees that roy moore does divide the base. Its a heavy evangelical base, very moralistic in their thinking and very conservative. Thats what i think youre seeing in this erosion in the polls. A lot of people are saying, ive got to go in there and decide who to send to washington to represent alabama, my state. Do i want to vote for a guy who is probably a pedophile . Thats what people are thinking down there. Thats going to be very interesting. The turnout is going to make a difference. Will they turn out for roy moore or not . I wonder if megans law relates here . Sarah Huckabee Sanders today said comparisons between franken and trump were unfair, because franken admitted to wrongdoing, and the president has not. Just a reminder, the president once bragged about being able to get away with grabbing women by their private parts. Lets listen to that infamous quote from the dap. At the time donald trump the candidate dismissed that as locker room talk. But during the campaign, more than a dozen women accused trump of Sexual Assault or misconduct. These are actually people in public, on the record, doing so. It was a real shock when all of a sudden his hands were all over me. He started encroaching on my space, and i hesitate to use this expression, but im going to, and that is he was like an octopus. It was like he had six arms. He was all over the place. He pushed me up against the wall and had his hands all over me, and tried to get up my dress again. And i had to physically say, what are you doing, stop it it was a shocking thing to have him do this. The person on my right, who unbeknownst to me at that time was donald trump, put their hands up my skirt. He did touch my vagina through my underwear. He walked up to me and grabbed my right arm. Then his hand touched the right inside of my breast. Well, donald trump called the claims against him, all of those women, absolutely false, and he attacked the women making those charges. Lets watch him in action here. These events never, ever happened, and the people that said them fully understand. You take a look at these people, you study these people, and youll understand also. These people are horrible people. Theyre horrible, horrible liars. I have no idea who these women are, have no idea. When you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said i dont think so. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over. Charlie, where do we begin here . Yeah. As uncomfortable these conversations, those women were explicit, articulate, and very credible. And they seem to have a clear memory of what he did. He has no memory, but he does say theyre horrible people, but then he says i dont know them. Its his ability, the same sentence make 180 arguments from each other, and that people applaud it. Explain. This is going to be a hell of a problem for him and the republican party. Because when you think about he was able to pull this off by doing the what aboutism with clinton a year ago. You know, listening to those sound bites again, you realize how incredibly ugly this is, that he is reabusing these women by attacking them. Adding insult to injury. Adding insult to injury. But also what theyre doing is, this is a warning to women not to come forward because we will attack you and well vilify you and you will be ignored. This is going to be a live issue for him again. You know, as this all plays out. Theres no way it doesnt. But theres also a problem for republicans and a lot of republicans are going to have to answer the question, if you believe the other women were making accusations, do you or do you not believe the women who are making the charges against donald trump . And they have to answer that at some point if it is pressed. So its a problem for trump, its going to come back and be a live issue, it ought to be a live issue and ought to be a live issue for republicans who have enabled him since the access Hollywood Video came out. Shannon, i always accused the right over the years of conflation. Theyll conflate Something Like what happened, the horror of 9 11 with iraq and say we have to go to iraq. Theyre very good at this. And in this case, theyre conflating the misconduct and admitted misconduct of senator franken with the real problem, i mean, real personal problem we have that it looks like it was an enduring problem, addiction problem we have with mr. Moore, judge moore. And theyre throwing him out, and i think thats what trump is up to. This moral equivalence that putting them all in the same cat dwoir, because the media has to struggle to put them he does make it hard to cover these stories accurately and fairly. Right. And it gets them to like this argument about whose defense is worse, this one admitted it, this one had six accusers, this one had one. Its like a contest who can be the biggest sexual offender. I think between now and the next election or the next three years, were going to see more of these. Especially on capitol hill, and the reporters i know have been walking the halls of capitol hill. They know there are more stories. Its just going to be a continual discussion about who did what, whos worse. Where are we going to draw the line too of what was crossing the line, whats not crossing the line, what is going too far back in someones past . I think the ground is shifting and were just at the beginning of this. This conversation is going to be in a completely different place a year from now than where it is now. And one guy is on a uso tour helping the troops, doing something he shouldnt have done. And the other guy is trolling a mall for teenagers. We have to think through this and discernment is the ability god gave us to do. Charlie, shannon, and clarence, thank you. Coming up, lots of developments in the Russian Investigation, including a new report that Jared Kushner, remember him . Soninlaw to the president. Failed to disclose a back door overture to the campaign by trump involving a russian banker with alleged ties to the russian mob. And that russian banker ended upsetting next to donald trump, jr. At an nra event in kentucky last may. The question is, why did he end up there . Why are there russians nearby the trumps . Thats ahead. Plus, with accusations of Sexual Harassment on the front page, some democrats are beginning to reconsider the actions of former president bill clinton. Kirsten gillibrand, who owes her career in large part to the clinton, says bill clinton should have resigned. After his behavior in the lewinsky scandal. And house of lies. President trump makes five or more false claims every day he lives. But hes not the only Administration Official who has trouble telling the truth, as michael gersham puts it, the Russian Investigation has led to a spectacular accumulation of lies by trump and his people. And let me finish tonight, the inspiring welcome ive been getting from bobby kennedy. We create machines that make every experience more real. Because the best feature of a pc Gaming Machine is the power to make you forget its there. Shop our lowest prices ever at dell. Com. a shouting match erupted late last night during a Senate Hearing for the republican tax plan. Senator brown of ohio accused republicans of writing a bill that favors corporations and the rich instead of middle class americans. And those comments clearly got under the skin of the chairman, republican senator orrin hatch. When republicans are in power, the first thing they want to do is give tax cuts to the rich. Its in their dna. Its what they are going to do. I resent anybody saying im just doing this for the rich. Give me a great. True, its nice political play. I get sick and tired regular order, mr. Chairman. [ overlapping speakers ] [ banging gavel ] listen ive honored you by allowing you to spout off here, and what you said was not right thats all im saying. I come from the lower middle class. We didnt have anything. So dont spew that stuff on me. I get a little tired of that crap. You know what i like to hear theyre being genuine, and both were. According to a new analysis by a nonpartisan congressional group, the senate plan would give large tax cuts to the rich, while raising taxes on those earning less than 75k a year. Well be right back. Believe itu actually like what you do. Even love it. And today, you can do things you never could before. Youre working in millions of places at once with iot sensors. Analyzing social data on the cloud to create new designs. And using blockchain to help prevent fraud. So get back to it and do the best work of your life. And using blockchain to help prevent fraud. And it might be hard what ito handle ve got but like the flame that burns the candle the candle feeds the flame topped steak twisted potatoes at applebees. Eatin good in the neighborhood. Welcome book hardball. There are new indications now, and today in fact that senior white house adviser that Jared Kushner hasnt been telling the full truth to congressional investigators when it comes to the campaigns contacts with russian officials. In a letter yesterday to kushners lawyer, the Committee Said that kushner failed to turn over documents that their committee requested last month. Among the missing documents are communications to mr. Kushner concerning wikileaks, as well as documents concerning a russian back door overture and dinner invite. In a late breaking story tonight, nbc news is reporting tonight that the undisclosed russian overture involved a banker who has been accused of links to russian organized crime, according to three sources familiar with the matter. A series of emails described requests from a former russian senator and close putin ally, who wanted trump to attend an event he was organizing on the sidelines of a National Rifle Association Event in may of 2016. According to nbc news, the email also suggests he was speaking to meet with a high level Trump Campaign official during the convention. And that he may have had a message for trump from putin the sources said. While kushner rebuffed the request, he said that he dined with donald trump, jr. At a private dinner on the sidelines of an nra event. Join me is carol lee, Investigative Reporter with nbc news, and paul, a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. Carol lee, thank you for joining us. How does this support it does apparently support the idea that kushner is not being clean with the investigators, but does it suggest more so that he was colluding, that someone was colluding with the russians or not . Well, what it suggests or shows is that kushner did not discho disclose this email, which was a series of email exchanges on a Campaign Official and somebody acting on behalf of this russian meeting, which says he wants to have some contact around this nra convention. Those exchanges and a handful of other senior Campaign Officials, and kushner replayed saying take a pass on this and any future requests along these lines. The problem the committee has with this, this turned up in their requests for documents from other officials and kushner himself didnt disclose it. Now, the problem for kushner in terms of was this any sort of collusion, i think he would argue that he was dismissive of this, that the email would show he was dismissive of this. What it does raise the question about is don, junior, and whether if kushner rejected this suggestion to have some sort of meeting along the sidelines of this nra convention, then this individual told bloomberg that he privately dined with donald trump, jr. , how did that come to be . In the bloomberg story reported earlier this year, acting on behalf of donald trump, jr. , he said he doesnt recall being the same, that he recalls the meeting with a russian, but he doesnt know if it was this specific person. Donald trump is notorious of going of to africa and killing big game for photoopes, but wasnt he the one that was at the meeting in trump tower the russians . It seems this soft, underbelly of the trump family where they go to him because hes not quite as tough thinking as the rest of the family about what hes up to . Im trying to be nice. Well, based on what we know, and we dont know everything. In fact, we probably know a lot less than there is, certainly Robert Mueller knows. But based on what we know, there are a number of increasing questions being raised around the president s son. And this is just another one, and i think that hes theres going to be hes going to have to answer questions about what was this dinner . Did it happen . How did it happen . How did it happen when the president s soninlaw apparently said that nobody should take any sort of meeting along these lines . And so we do seem to learn a little bit more and more about donald trump, jr. As this goes on. Paul, how do you see this case . Is this one of these cases like billy carter, the brothers brother t

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