With the russian story and found zero proof, so now they go for Obstruction Of Justice on the phony story. Nice. Thats trump in tweet. Joining me now are three National Security reporters, charlie savage, adam entous and shane harris. Shane, youve got the story which follows up on what we had last night, that the Special Counsel is looking at the president for Obstruction Of Justice. My question is how do you have to add to that . What you have now is you have the president both trying to convince Director Rogers of the nsa to come out and shoot down these issues of collusion, but also privately still continuing to doubt the very intelligence that the nsa collected that led to the conclusion that russia interfered in the election. Weve seen trump publicly talk about the fact he thinks theyre nothing to russia, but to know that hes now saying this privately and continuing to argue with one of his intelligence chiefs about that, i think really reveals the degree to which this has
completely gotten under his skin. And he really wants to try and shoot down the fundamental underpinnings of this whole case. If theres nothing to russia hacking, how can there be any possibility of me colluding or me obstructing a russia probe . So really going after sort of the core of that piece. And i think the people we talked to were surprised that privately he is continuing to maintain this idea that russia might not have actually been involved in the meddling. Lets talk about whats now in play in terms of what we believe to be true, that trump went to comey while he was still fbi director and said, kill the flynn investigation. Trump went to coats and said the same thing, kill the flynn investigation. And as you just said, trump went to rogers, the nsa director, and told him to clear him with any involvement with collusion. Now, when is the moment of reckoning coming, charlie . Start with this because if he has agreed to give sworn testimony to mueller, isnt this going to put him in a box where he has to now say, all this is not true as ive been saying its not true, under oath, or
was he in the room . When when anything happened, all these conversations . Where was pence. My impression really is that pence is not really a factor here in these discussions. I heard today that one of the producers here said that its one thing to say you werent part of a Campaign Event because you probably werent. But its very hard to avoid any involvement in something that happened in the west wing while youre there. Youre floating around somewhere. You know whats going on, right . He might be a fact witness to conversations. Theres the whole issue of what did flynn tell you about his conversations with the russians. Charlie is right. If the Special Counsel is going to speak to you, youd be crazy not to have a lawyer. So we dont want to overread the fact that hes lawyering up, but this shows you the Special Counsel clearly is going to go right to the top of people hes going to question. Of course trump has volunteered to give testimony to him under oath. Lawyers arent free. You dont do it for fun. The president was busy on twitter this afternoon again taking shots at his former democratic rival, Hillary Clinton. Quote, this is trump today, why is that Hillary Clintons family
and dems dealings with russia are not looked at but my nondealings are. Crooked hillary destroyed phones with a hamter, bleached emails and had her husband meet with the Attorney General days before she was cleared, and they talk about obstruction. Theres so many leaps here. Did Anybody Believe Sanely that in front of all the cameras, so everybody sees you talking to her, loretta lynch, it makes no sense. Part of whats happening here is trump is throwing out shiny objects here and there to sort of distract from the main investigative thrust of whats happening. That tweet is part of it. The tweet you read earlier about how muellers staff are bad people, conflicted people, is really interesting. I mean we are only a couple weeks into this investigation, and hes already preemptively trying to nuke it as though these are all biased people. Wasnt he about to interview or did some people in the white house actually interview bob
mueller for fbi director, to bring him back . Npi reported that. Joining the conversation right now from the white house is Kristen Welker. Kristen, what do you make of this pence lawyering up here now . It seems like everybody is going to battle stations. Reporter well, thats right. I think he will be one of a number of top staffers who is going to lawyer up. Look, he obtained a lawyer by the name of richard cullen, someone who is described as being a criminal federal defense attorney, someone who has a lot of history in this realm. Hes no stranger to washington and no stranger to these types of cases. But it underscores, i think, the gravity of this issue for everyone in this white house. And, again, chris, i think that Vice President mike pence is going to be one of a number of people who are close to the president who are going to be looking to outside counsel as they try to weather this storm. I heard your conversation about the president s tweets, trying to redirect the conversation to his former rival, hillary
clinton. It was a stunning strategy for a couple of different reasons. One, his spokespeople will not talk about the russia probe. They refer all questions to the russia probe to the president s outside counsel, and we tried over and over again today during the gaggle with Sarah Huckabee sanders. But the fact that hes trying to redirect toward Hillary Clinton, remember, the fbi determined there was no wrongdoing. So in addition to everything that you all were just talking about, the bottom line is hes talking about something and trying to redirect the conversation in a way that just isnt accurate. Its something that riles up his base, chris. Yeah, i can see that. Its good deflection. The other day, trump seemed to be very happy that he wasnt the target of an fbi investigation under comey. He said three times he was told that, so hes vindicated there. Now he is according to all the press accounts. In account fa, every media including our own at nbc news now says he is in fact being looked at for Obstruction Of Justice by the Special Counsel. Didnt that sort of change the
questions come to mind here. First of all, in the white house, The Big Question to me is this. Either hes guilty of something and believes hes guilty of something in terms of Playing Footsie with the russians last year during the election, in other words in some way encouraging them to intervene in our election or doing something for them or promising something to them or whatever in any way that makes him a fifth columnist to put it bluntly. And the other possibility he doesnt understand that every step hes been taking in his selfdefense puts him further into the spot of a possible criminalization, that he keeps doing things to protect himself that have become the basis for an Obstruction Of Justice charge against him in the congress. Which is it . Do the people in the white house you talk to think hes guilty of something but they dont know what it is, think hes innocent and think hes just being unfairly attacked, that hes a little bit paranoid . Whats the combination of motives for his behavior . Reporter well, honestly officials here have gone into lockdown when it comes to the russia probe. They wont talk about it on
background. They wont talk about it off the record. I think theyre concerned about saying the wrong thing, potentially adding to the president s legal troubles, chris. But i think its worth remembering even if Robert Mueller does determine that there was Obstruction Of Justice, of course a president cant be indicted. So its up to congress. Its up to the House Of Representatives to impeach him. This is an allrepublican congress. So the politics of this get very tricky. Its worth noting that the president has been in office for 146 days. He is under Criminal Investigation earlier than any other president in modern history, earlier than nixon, earlier than clinton. They both had their issues in their second terms. So this is really remarkable, chris, and it marks a real shift in this russia probe. Thank you, kristen. Lets get back to other people here. Thank you, kristen. I think the question looms here. A straight reporters, you guys have to figure out what to print each night. But when you step back from it, can you sense enough evidence there to believe the guy is
guilty of some sort of involvement with the russians, or is it easier to see his obstructive behavior . Based on what we know now, i have not seen anything yet that suggests there was collusion with the russians. Theres this weirdness that people keep forgetting to disclose meetings, but then what was that meeting . It was at a public reception somewhere. It doesnt sound like a spycraft opportunity. You include in that you think kushner didnt have some stupid conversation with a russian . Hes the one im thinking about, the one who is least prepared for the position. Thats already after the election. So the whole i mean the quid pro quo people think about is you hack the emails and put them out, and well fix the plank on ukraine or Something Like that. Thats all much earlier than all of that. The assembly of evidence in the Obstruction Of Justice, especially not about russia per se but about Michael Flynn specifically, that seems to be where theres a lot to talk about. Its not just this vague, hazy, abstract notion. Its also more present. Its now. Its happening now. Yeah. If there is obstruction. Were seeing pieces of it. I find it almost impossible to tell where this is going frankly. If you asked me three months ago when it was flynn, when it was sessions, they all felt like just selfinflicted wounds. We were calling them out for lies, and the result was either flynn getting fired or recusal. You know, i had no idea whether that was connected to any broader, you know, collaboration, coordination at all. You know, where this goes thanks to you guys, were getting a lot of dots on the screen, and the dots all show a president who will not let things go their natural course. He has to interfere with this investigation. He has to call people up and say, clear me of this. Get this case killed with flynn, blah, blah, blah. Hes constantly reaching out to try to find a way to stop what he thinks is a locomotive coming at him. This is the way hes always operated. We know this from his days in new york. Hes 146 days in. By now he knows theres another strategy he could be taking. Im sure people if they havent advised him to do it, to just stay quiet, hes probably absorbed that, hes not doing that because he believes, i think, he can beat this. This is how he got elected was by coming after people who doubted him, by trying to change the narrative, by hitting back faster and harder than he was hit. I have to suspect if he thinks it worked for me getting into the white house, what am i going to do . Change course now . Very suspicious polling, but lets give it a crack again. Despite President Trumps tweets this morning dismissing the question of Obstruction Of Justice in the russian probe, a clear majority of americans now say they think he tried to interfere with the investigation. According to a new Associated Press poll, 61 of americans say trump tried to impede or obstruct the investigation. Thats six in ten of course. 37 say he didnt. I love these numbers because theyre very similar in every question. On the question of potential collusion, 68 of americans say theyre concerned that trump or his associates actually had inappropriate ties to russia while 30 say theyre not concerned. I keep looking at those 30 , 37 . Thats the trump base, right . No matter what you ask about, if its bad or it sounds bad, theyre going to say no way. And the important number here is probably 2018. How is this going to play in the midterms . If the midterms become a referendum on whether the people think the president obstructed justice, this republican in congress right now is not going to impeach this president , i dont think. There arent many purple seats. Its very hard to find which seats are going to switch, right . True. I just want to throw one more thing on the table based on what kristen was saying earlier about how this is a distraction. They want to get health care done. A lot of people think they want this distraction so they can sneak that Health Care Bill through. Usually you think about the scandal getting in the way of the agenda. Remember theyre crafting a bill in the senate, not going through committee. No one has been allowed to read it. Were not talking about that really strange thing because were talking about russia. We have news. The washington report is reporting tonight that Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating the finances and Business Dealings of i mentioned him a moment ago jared kushner, President Trumps soninlaw and adviser as part
of the probe into russias interference in the 2016 president ial election. Adam entous, youre one of the reporters on that breaking story. Now you have to tell us. So ive always thought kushner was the one least educated in politics and government, the one givest given the widest portfolio by his fatherinlaw. Hes having a lot of meetings. Theres nobody else in the meetings. You know, theres no note taker. Its not through kind of the normal process after his first meeting with kislyak where you had flynn sitting in on that meeting. After that, things are the russians know everything he did, know everything he said. He didnt as far as we know, he never actually followed through on using their comes gear at the embassy. Bottom line is the fbi, as they initially started looking at these meetings, they also were looking, in addition to the other things, at possible criminal activity on his part. What about commingling of politics and money . Is that what youre looking at
there . I think that is something the fbi would be very interested in. At the same meeting youre talking about the good of the america and youre talking about the trump business. Youve also got to look from the perspective of the countries that are dealing with jared. They see in jared, in that commingling of Family Business if you will, where the presidency and business, in their mind, become commingled. They would be dealing with jared like they would be dealing with, you know, a leader in africa, you know, who also controls monopolies in the country. They would view it that way. I think it is natural for the russians and other governments, the chinese, to look at somebody like jared. They see something, hes a prince ling. Its familiar for them. The idea that we would maybe make offers to try and induce policy changes. Thats what they call them in china, prince lings . Ive been reading and hearing about the fact that after years of dealing with the russians to finance his real estate, he may
have Money Responsibilities back to them. Gamblers invested in him, money that he may owe back to him. All these entangled relationships are out there. Its important for people to realize this is very preliminary. This may result in nothing. You know, thats something to keep in mind. The guy is obviously innocent until something changes. We keep doing this. Thank you, charlie savage, adam entous, and shane harris. Congratulations. Latest news. Coming up, republicans are starting to split over trumps tweets talking about the russian investigation. Theres still an amen chorus behind him but other republicans say the investigation isnt a witch hunt as trump keeps calling it, that Robert Mueller is a man of integrity and trump should stay off the twitter. Plus the congressional Baseball Game for charity is going on tonight despite yesterdays attack. The game is Just Moments Away from starting. Moments ago, the players came together in the infield for a prayer and a moment of silence. There they are. Well get the latest from Nationals Park. Thats where the nationals play
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to comey at one point and said, kill the flynn investigation. Hes my pal, a good guy, glblah blah, blah. Trump also went to coats and same the same thing. He also went to mike rogers, head of the nsa according to rogers former deputy and said kill this talk about this collusion in the campaign. So we have a lot of evidence of the president going out and trying to stop the investigators, trying to chill them, whatever, charm them. Maybe thats your term. But why would he be doing all this, and how do you defend it at least as evidence that this guy wasnt going to let an investigation take its course, that he had to keep putting his finger in the eye of somebody to stop it . Well, two things there. I would say the first thing is that i think erybody i certainly anybody who supports donald trump and republicans are concerned aboutt they read, and theyre concerned of the fact that sometimes its been hyped. I read for weeks and watched television where the impression was donald trump was under
investigation, and then it took this whole public foray for jim comey to reveal he wasnt understand investigation. Now weve learned perhaps hes back under investigation. One of your reporters just said Criminal Investigation. So ive gotten to the point where i would just like to know directly from the counsel when he makes it public, what it is theyre doing. Thats when i will know that its happening. Up to now, theres either been misreporting, or theres been some very good reporting where theyve gotten leaks. I dont know which one it is. But i know the second piece of this. All the lawyers ive talked to, including the lawyers i talked to in the White House Counsels Office during the bush 43 administration, tell me that they dont see Obstruction Of Justice here, and were throwing around that term very casually. Jennifer . I keep reading these stories and they have a pattern to them. The president will not let this thing go on his own. You can argue no story is perfect. In fact, all of them are not perfect. But you put together a pattern
and nobody is really challenging the fact that the president would do Something Like this because if it comes out he did, hes going to say, yeah, i knew he was capable of it. Why is this to me, hes either guilty and therefore covering up, or he has some sort of condition in him that says, these people are out to get me. Im going to do everything i can to stop them even if they dont have anything on me. It may be some of both. It may not be the russian collusion. It may be the financial issues. What do you mean . Mueller has brought on three or four top prosecutors. Several of them have specialized in financial crimes, bribery, money laundering. Why are they in there . We dont know. Whatever is bothering trump may not have to do directly with the election and collusion. It may not have to do with trump. It may have to do with manafort. And it may have to do with jared. I think it has to do with jared because hes been given a tremendous license by his fatherinlaw to take on foreign policy. He may well have talked himself into something and the russians
have all this on tape somewhere, and thats what the Father In Law is worried about. Absolutely. And beyond that, i think you have somebody who has no conception that hes even breaking the law. Its not an excuse. He doesnt know by now . He just blunders around. He got himself a joker lawyer from new york who doesnt know what the heck hes doing. He should get himself a real lawyer. Kasowitz has now got himself a spokesman. So now the reporters in the white house like Kristen Welker is not permitted to ask about the russian probe at the white house because you cant have anybody ask these questions because they must go to kasowitzs flak. Based on my reporting, kasowitz is highly influential in the west wing. People describe him as a mirror to the president s personality. He does have a spokesman, this combative veteran republican strategist. And youre right. Within the west wing, there was talk of having this war room to really what happened to the war room . Disappeared. The president , kushner, bannon, priebus decided to farm out a lot of these questions because they know the republican agenda on capitol hill is so stalled, if theyre not focused on that and consumed by russia, theyll never get anything done. In terms of p. R. , ill give this back to matt. You can argue thats what clinton did when he had fabiani take all the monica questions, let me ask you about trump. Do you think hes innocent of all charges . Do you believe he had nothing to do with the russians during the campaign . You, personally, matt schlapp. Let me try to answer. I think he is not guilty of any of these charges, and i think the reason for that is [ Overlapping Voices ] was he involved with any no. I just want a simple answer. Did he have communication with the russians in response to their efforts to help him win . No, because [ Overlapping Voices ] nothing illegal or
inappropriate because, chris, think about it. They didnt need the help of this president ial campaign to figure out what to do if they wanted to do something. What they did was rudimentary and they didnt need anybody to help them do it. Im not sure this president ial campaign, of which i supported im glad he won, but it wasnt exactly the most Cutting Edge Campaign weve ever seen. The idea that the russians would go to the Trump Campaign to figure out how to meddle with the election is really absurd on its face and not one leaked story about any evidence of any wrongdoing so all these conversations with lavrov and kislyak and all this involvement with kushner chatting with these guys and of course sessions chatting with them and of course manafort dealing with them and carter page all those communications, all that stuff was just, what, irrelevant, incidental, or what . You say it has no meaning. Hold on, matt. Were going to Nationals Park. The injured Capitol Hill Policeman is about to throw out the first ceremonial pitch. Lets watch. [ cheers and applause ]
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to congressman Steve Scalise and his entire family. Steve is our friend. Hes a patriot, and hes a true fighter. I know you all will be playing extra hard tonight for steve. We pray for all of the victims of this terrible crime who are still recovering, including Zachary Barth and matt mika, both of whom are respected and cherished by so many. We also pray Special Agents Crystal Griner and david bailey of the Capitol Police for their heroic deeds that saved so many lives. What a great job they did. And we thank all of the members of the alexandria fire, police, and rescue. In washington we have our disagreements, but we all agree that we are here to serve this nation we love and the people who call it home. Thats the source of unity, and more than ever we must embrace it so that on this special night, i leave you with three
great american words that for generations have torn down barriers, built bridges of unity, and defied those who have sought to pull us apart. Ladies and gentlemen, lets play ball. Im joined now by msnbcs chris jansing, my friend who is at Nationals Park for this game. Chris, except for a few exceptions, the nasty boys, we always know their name, Newt Gingrich leading the pack, im impressed that neither side, especially the republicans who could have exploited this and said, oh, thats a bernie guy, they said, okay, hes a volunteer in the campaign. He could have volunteered for anybody. Were not going to play politics with this thing. Im impressioned. Reporter i got to tell you, i talked to a lot of Members Of Congress playing on that field right now within the last couple of hours ive been here, chris, and there is this mixed emotion here. Obviously there is a feeling of devastation about what happened yesterday. Many of them are exhausted. They told me they didnt sleep, and obviously theyrescalise. When they were doing the lineups, they actually put his picture up on the board, and he got a big, longstanding ovation. Having said that, i think there is also a feeling here like they want to show the world were going to do this. The way one member of congress put it to me was, you know, youre not going to stop us. And so its a 3939 tie. This is a long Tradition Dating back to 1909 with some breaks in between. What youre going to see out there tonight is youre going to see the first lineup for the republicans is going to be those Members Of Congress who actually were there at the shooting yesterday. And it was very emotional. I have to tell you, chris. They had a prayer. Both teams got down on their knees in the middle of the field for a long time and said a prayer. There was a moment of silence, and then david bailey, that Capitol Hill Police officer who was injured yesterday came out on crutches and threw the first pitch. It gave me chills. But now the games beginning,
chris. Thank you so much, chris jansing. Up next, donald trump during the campaign warned of endless investigations, even a constitutional crisis if Hillary Clinton were elected president. Well, things look a lot different now that you know who. We got a Special Counsel investigating the president. Thats ahead. Youre watching hardball. Were on to you, diabetes. Times up, insufficient prenatal care. And administrative paperwork. Your days of drowning people are numbered. Same goes for you, budget overruns. And rising costs, wipe that smile off your face. Were coming for you, too. For those who wont rest until the world is healthier, neither will we. Optum. How well gets done. My belly pain i could build a small city with all the overthecounter products ive used. Enough ive tried enough laxatives to cover the eastern seaboard. Ive climbed a Mount Everest of fiber. Probiotics . Enough avo if youve had enough, tell your doctor what youve tried and how long youve been at it. Linzess works differently from laxatives. Linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. It can help relieve your belly pain, and lets you have more frequent and complete Bowel Movements that are easier to pass. Do not give linzess to children less than six, and it should not be given to children six to less than eighteen. It may harm them. Dont take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. Get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain, especially with bloody or black stools. The most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. If its severe stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. Other side effects include gas, stomacharea pain and swelling. Talk to your doctor about managing your symptoms proactively with linzess. Constitutional crisis. Havent we just been through a lot with the clintons, right . Hillary has engaged in a criminal massive enterprise and coverups like probably nobody ever before. Her current scandals and controversies will continue throughout her presidency, and we will make it honestly, look, its going to be virtually impossible for her to govern. Hillary clinton will be under investigation for a long, long time for her many crimes against our nation, our people, our democracy, likely concluding in a criminal trial. Lets bring in the hardball roundtable tonight, heidi przybyla, jeff bennett, and Jonathan Swannis from axios. Heidi, the thing about trump that i thought was wrong was to attack Hillary Clinton for being investigated, and now its come
around to be hes getting hurt by investigations without being proven guilty. The very fact of being investigating, he made it into a crime. The irony here is, of course, there is no way how tall are you . Maybe they forgot it move it down. They usually move it down. Anyway, ill slouch a little bit. No, doubt. Im okay. Its classic what aboutism, but the thing about hillary is theres no way they could have put this many tentacles on an email server. This investigation is going to so many different knots that were going to be tied up for years. Regardless of what the republican plans were, i dont think we could have ever imagined this sprawling an investigative body over Hillary Clinton. And i dont think the its hard to do the apples and oranges here, but theres an element of not treason but Something Like it. If hes guilty, which i dont know yet, if hes guilty of having consorted with the russians in any way to help them screw with our election, thats
a lot more serious than the hillary charges, even if she were guilty. It is a lot more serious. I would say i think the president does have a point here. If Hillary Clinton had won the election and the house controlled is npr defend ing the president . If republicans controlled the house, i think there would have been continued investigations related to the email server. The difference though is the basis for it would have been largely partisan, wreas the basis for this Counterintelligenc Investigation is theres a really urgent National Security issue here. Its bipartisan. And its bipartisan. The senate today voted 972 or yesterday for those russian sanctions. It seems to me this thing has a dynamic. I hated that word when people started using it a few cycles ago, but it means something leads to something leads to something. So what trump may be innocent of perhaps it turns out possibly turned out innocent for the original reason for this investigation or it wasnt sufficient enough to knock him off or impeach him. But then he begins to take steps
like telling comey, get rid of the flynn investigation, and then give me the loyalty oath, and then going to coats and saying the same thing. Get rid of the flynn investigation. And then going to rogers and saying, clear me of any collusion. He keeps taking steps as a result of the investigation that could very well metastasize into an impeachment. Thats his problem. This thing has a dynamic to it that he keeps pushing perhaps the crimes into the future the way i see it. Its not just what hes saying privately. Its what hes saying publicly. You just mentioned all the things hes alleged to have said to comey and coats and rogers. As a result of good reporting. As a result of good reporting. Or in comeys case, you know, that was a little bit helped along. Well, he said it under oath. I believe him. I believe him too. Im just saying he gave the document. Thats how it got out. But what im saying a lot of republicans who are calling me in the last 24 hours, during a Straight Line between donald trump tweeting about thing and then leaks happening. Now, whether that link exists or not, we know comey in his own
words said that it was trump tweeting about the tapes that made him feel an urgency to get this out in the public sphere. So, trump, you know, musing about sacking i like these leaks because theres the same kind of leaks we got from the Intelligence Community when people like dick cheney and the neocons over at the Defense Department were taking us into one war after another. It was only when we got truth from the Intel Community that we began to turn the tables on these people. Michael flynn would still be in place if it werent for, quote, unquote leaks. The roundtable is sticking with us. Up next, these three will tell me something i dont know. This is hardball, where the action is. Ul. [man] beautiful just like you. [woman] oh, why thank you. [burke] and we covered it, november sixth, twothousandnine. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum i just want to find a used car start at the new carfax. Com show me used trucks with one owner. Pretty cool. [laughs] ah. Ahem. Show me the carfax. Start your used car search at the allnew carfax. Com. Hes happy. Ts with him . Your familys finally eating vegetables thanks to our Birds Eye Voila skillet meals. And they only take 15 minutes to make. Ahh Birds Eye Voila so veggie good back to the hardball roundtable. Three things i dont know after this. Philips Sonicare Diamondclean outperforms oralb 7000, removing up to 82 more plaque and improving gum health up to 70 more. Its Sonic Technology cleaning deep between teeth. From the most recommended Sonic Toothbrush Brand by dental professionals. Switch to Philips Sonicare today. Philips sonicare. Save when you buy now. Were back with the hardball roundtable. Heidi. Chris, i reported last night that there was a lot of consternation at a meeting of lawmakers after the shooting of Steve Scalise. They were expressing their concern. Cedric richmond in particular had approached paul ryan a week before. Hes good friends with Steve Scalise, and he had approached paul ryan about concerns about security. Just a few hours ago, paul ryans office got back to me and they said, in fact, we are ta talking with the fec to see if some of these house lawmakers,
if there is a smepecific threat can use Campaign Funds to provide more security. Jeff. President trump is set to deliver a major speech in miami tomorrow. Hes going to roll back some of the obama era cuba policies. One of those is going to restrict u. S. Companies from doing business with companies in cuba that are owned by the cuban military. The other thing that more people will probably care about is hes going to restrict the categories under which americans can travel. I hear its the biggest letdown in the world, the biggest nothing burger. People say if you go for three days, its one too many days. Cuba is a zero. Go ahead. Youve thrown me. What was i going to say . This Comment Trump made earlier in the week where he said the Health Care Bill was mean to the senate republicans, this is causing huge problems, continuing problems on the hill. I was on the hill today. Republicans are furious. Senior republicans in the house that he would throw them under the bus like that after
he jumped on the house Health Care Bill to push it through. Heidi, jeff, jonathan, thank you. When we return, let me finish tonight with trump watch. Youre watching hardball, where the action is. Its an important question you ask, but one i think with a simple answer. We have this need to peek over our neighbors fence. And once we do, we see wonder waiting. Every step you take, narrows the influence of narrow minds. Bridges continents and brings this world one step closer. So, the question you asked me. What is the key . Its you. Everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. But when we brought our daughter home, that was it. Now i have nicoderm cq. The Nicoderm Cq Patch with unique extended release Technology Helps prevent your urge to smoke all day. Its the best thing that ever happened to me. Every great why needs a great how. Terms of fake news and hacking into the Democratic National committee. He decided in some way to play ball with moscow, and that explained why hes done all sorts of things to kill any investigation and why he continues to deny the russian intervention last year. This all makes sense if he, donald trump, as i said played ball with the russians in a way that could be seen as treasonous. Theres another explanation. May i be blunt . Its that hes absolutely convinced that the countrys regular political establishment is out to get him, determined to bring him down, kill the credibility of his election last year, kill him as a reputable public figure. Now, if trump is guilty of consorting with russia last year, i suppose his behavior makes sense sort of. Hes doing whatever he can to throw a wrench into the works and hope he can wear down the investigators. If hes innocent about game playing with the russians and simply afraid of what he sees as a coordinated government media alliance, he should stop acting like hes guilty, and stop doing things that build the prosecutors case for obstruction
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