Widening as i speak, with new names added on like a traffic lineup in manhattan. Theres still no indication that donald trump is anywhere near to making one of the key decisions of his presidency, who will serve as his chief diplomat. Vice President Elect mike pence ran through some of the top contenders yesterday. I think everyone that hes talked to and has been talked about, whether it be a Rudy Giuliani or mitt romney or General Petraeus or senator corker or john bolten, and others, bring extraordinary background and qualities to this. Nbc news reports that several new names have been added to that list, even if they remain outside contenders. The associated press, meanwhile, is reporting that prospects of Rudy Giuliani and mitt romney, they say, are fading. The new names include jon huntsman, who was critical of trump during the campaign, but who wasnt also reportedly in the mix, ceo of exxonmobil, rex
the bulk of the time was with the President Elect, donald trump. I found it an extremely interesting conversation. And to be continued. And im just going to leave it at that. For the latest on the transition, im joined by nbcs kristen welker. I dont know Whats Going On. All i know, kristen, the list gets longer. The ones that came to the vineyard earlier arent getting much good time out of this. It must be very frustrating for Rudy Giuliani, for mitt romney, and the rest. Your thoughts . What do you know . Reporter you can only imagine. Of course, you had mitt romney dining with malPresident Elect trump last week. Look, heres how to think about where things stand right now in terms of this race for the Secretary Of State. You have Rudy Giuliani and mitt romney who were really the two top contenders. But chris, as weve been reporting, trump world was so deeply divided over these two top contenders, a lot of people saw Rudy Giuliani as a lightning rod, too much of a loyalist and an insider. Too many people thought that mitt romney has been too sharply critical of donald trump during the campaign. So thats why youre starting to see those two contenders start to fall out of favor and the reason why President Elect donald trump is exploring new options, including jon huntsman. Someone who was also critical of him, but of course, hes the former ambassador to china. Interesting given that you have trump making that controversial phone call with taiwan. My sources telling me that huntsman didnt advise him prior to that call. But at the same time, huntsmans been supportive of the fact that he made it, saying that it could be a smart Foreign Policy decision, a warning to china, making it very clear that hes going to be tough with them. Of course, a lot of critics on that front as well. And rex tillerson, the ceo of exxonmobil. Hes going to be here tomorrow. But at this point in time, chris, huntsman and tillerson havent met with trump, so theyre not serious contenders yet. I think the names to really be focused on, petraeus, we know that donald trump felt very good about that meeting and as you
federal agencies. Armstrong williams said, dr. Carson feels he has no government experience, hes never run a federal agency. This is honesty. The last thing he would want to do is take a position that would cripple the presidency. You dont get honesty like that very often. When asked what made him qualify for the job at hud, dr. Carson said this. I grew up in the inner city and have spent a lot of time there and have dealt with a lot of patients from that area. And recognize that we cannot have a strong nation if we have weak inner cities. Well, during the 2016 republican primaries, carsons background in some of his past statements about his childhood came under fire from, guess who, donald trump. Lets watch. He said that hes pathological and that hes got, basically, pathological disease. I dont want a person thats got pathological disease. I dont want it. At a fairly young age, 14, 15 years old. I didnt. I didnt. He took a knife and he went after a friend and he lunged, he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friend. But lo and behold, it hit the belt it hit the belt and the knife broke. Give me a break. If you try and hit the mother over the head with a hammer, your poll numbers go up. I never saw anything like it. This is the only election in history where youre better off if you stab somebody. What are we coming to. Showmanship matters. Joining me right now, a Washington Post callum, msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. I read your columns. And former senior strategist to Rick Santorums president ial campaign, john brabender. Lets talk about this, first of all, Secretary Of State really matters. Lets talk about that. It does. I sometimes think hes auditioning for looks, appearances, whos going to look
right as my guy. Bring mitt romney in, he seems very president ial, and he didnt really like him, apparently. And Kellyanne Conway seems to have some power. She apparently does. She spouts off and things either happen or dont happen. Look, lets, for a change, lets take a slightly more charitable view. I hope he takes his time, actually. This is a man whos starting from zero on Foreign Policy. Got no Foreign Policy experience, doesnt know anything about diplomat. The history of our relations with any country. He just dont know whats happening. You mean pakistan has a rivalry with india . You mean taiwan is an issue with china . Yeah, exactly. So, when these people who do have some experience, im putting Rudy Giuliani aside, but mitt romney and General Petraeus and others come in, jon huntsman, when he does come in, and they say, you know, this is my view, i hope he listens. I hope hes listening and considering and trying to figure out what kind of Foreign Policy
such bizarre directions. Hes got john bolton, a neocon, all the way, a hawk, and goes all the way over to Somebody Else who seems like they dont have a Foreign Policy. How do you bring a neo conn does he know the difference between the two of them . I think he probably knows the difference, maybe not in detail, but you listen to these people. We were talking about mitt romn romney. Mitt romney was so critical of a muslim ban. Someone told me he would never take the job as long as there was a muslim ban in the works, because he morally opposed it. Exactly. Even if you call it something else, if its really a muslim ban, i dont see how if you look what hes doing, hes not hiring by any logic, hes doing it by skill set. They have different skill sets. I think thats what he sees. The one thing all these people have in common, theyre not somebody whos going to say, yes, sir. Why would he consider a guy like huntsman, who was named ambassador to china by president obama, and then took the job. Makes a good case. Like you, ive known ben carson. I didnt know his political views. A brilliant pediatric neurosurgeon, One Of The Best of his times. I think he has insane political views. And i would really worry about what he would try to implement as secretary of any department. We will see. Over the weekend, a little light heartedness, Saturday Night Live did it again, they targeted trumps transition effort. Lets watch them. Next im going to do what i promised my whole campaign and im going to build that swamp. Dont you mean drain the swamp and build the wall . No, thats too many things. Just smoosh them together. Smoosh smoosh well, once again, trump didnt like it. He tweeted an aggressive reaction to the show. Just tried watching Saturday Night Live, unwatchable
totally bias not funny. And the baldwin impersonation just cant get any worse. Sad. Today trump tweeted in defense of his twitter habit. He wrote, if the press would cover me accurately and honorably, i would have far less reason to tweet. Sadly, i dont know if that will happen. John brabender, we are in for a tweeting president. I think thats wrong. Of all the things hes done recently, to tweet about china makes no sense whatsoever. I think his picks are great, i think hes doing a lot of things great with transition. I wish someone would take that thing away from him. You would have to sleep with him to do it. He does it at 5 00 in the morning. Im just saying, it doesnt help. Lets talk about a real thing. Ronald reagan succeed eed as a president because he made a choice to pick a really serious Chief Of Staff, who was willing to say, mr. President , thats not a smart thing to do this week. Focus on the economy, on job, on cutting taxes and stay away from
politics. Whether youre a big progressive or not, you dont want a president of the United States starting wars on his watch. I think we can all agree. He has to be careful, because other countries are paying attention. Theyll take it seriously. They dont know him like we do. Anyway, please, when you hear our president talk, dont take it literally. Well, see, thats a problem. Can you translate into portuguese. Might be brilliance in there. There is a problem. Coming up, trumps call with a leader of taiwan wasnt the spur of the moment congratulations call he made it out to be. Turns out it was long planned. This is a serious problem. Could be an opening gambit in a major shift in strategy over how we deal with china, probably the most important relationship weve got in the world right now. Plus, joe biden moments ago said hell run for president in 2020. Well get the latest on that in just a moment. Well see what that means. This is hardball, the place for politics. World ugly and messy. They are the natural born enemy of the way things are. Yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. But under the proper care, they become something beautiful. [ Rock Music Playing ] have fun with your replaced windows. Run away [ grunts ] leave him leave him [ music continues ] brick and mortar, what . [ music continues ] [ Tires Screech ] [ laughs ] [ Doorbell Rings ] when you bundle home and Auto Insurance with progressive, you get more than a big discount. Thats what you get for bundling home and auto jamie you get sneakygood coverage. Thanks. Were gonna live forever
just moments ago, Vice President joe biden was up on capitol hill and said he will run for president in 2020. Nbcs Kelly Odonnell was with the Vice President and joins us now. Okay, kelly, for real, for fun, for what . Reporter thats what were trying to figure out. The Vice President was here presiding over the senate while a bill that has now been named in the honor of his son, beau, who died of cancer, a cancerrelated treatment bill, so he was here and it was sort of an emotional setting. He came off the senate floor, a small group of us were talking to him, asking him about what did this mean and so forth. I said, you know, these are the final days of your time in office, did that add to the emotion . And he began talking about what it means for him in the senate. And he said, im going to run again, and we actually laughed, assuming he was teasing, thinking that his career in public life had come to an end. Ill read exactly what he said. He said, i love this place. There was a question, are you going to run again . He said, yeah, i am going to run, in 2020. For what, the question. He said, for president. What the hell, man. And i said, mr. Vice president , were going to run with that if you drop something with that. Okay, go ahead. Circled back around again, mr. Vice president , were you kidding . His answer was this. First of all, he paused for four long seconds as he thought about what he was going to say. Im not committing to not running. Im not committing to anything p p. I learned a long time ago that fate has a strange way of intervening. Chris, as you understand in the senate, there are places where no cameras were committed. So i recorded the audio on my iphone and i believe we have a clip of that so you can hear it and see what you think based on his voice. Im going to run in 2020. So for what . For president. [ laughter ] so, what the hell, man. Anyway. Were going to run with that, sir, you know, if you drop that. Thats okay. Thats okay. Just to be clear, were you kidding about running for president in 2020 . Im just, im not committing not to run. Im not committing to anything. I learned a long time ago, fate has a strange way of intervening. Fate has a strange way of intervening. Hes not going to claim hes not going to run. Its open to possibility. He seems like he wants us to think he might run. That was clearly my impression. His body language, i was looking him right in the eye. He understood, when i said, mr. Vice president , were going to run with that, meaning, if youre messing around having fun, this is going to be a headline, so please think about that. And my sense is that he wants to keep that door open. Now, hes 74 years old now. Now the facts of the election have played out, its not even a month since the election. There is, i think, in a world if Hillary Clinton had been president , certainly he would not have challenged her for reelection, but now with donald
trump a republican, about to take office, might he reconsider it . So, it is tantalizing delicious for those of us who like politics and have watched bidens long time in public life and how passionate he is about it. We also saw that he really struggled mightily about the decision not to run in the primary against Hillary Clinton and bernie sanders, and it had a great deal to do with the loss of his son and the healing his family needed. He was tearyeyed talking about beau with us just a short time ago. So my takeaway is that he wasnt kidding. Its not that commitment to run, but he wanted us to know, he has not closed that door. That was my sense of it, standing right next to him. You know what would be great, kelly, if they would take a poll in the next couple of weeks, some big pollster, gallup or Somebody Else, and asked people who might run, who should run, i bet you he leads the pack and that would be a nice present for joe biden. I want to see where it plays on the front page tomorrow. Top of the fold or bottom of the
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this was a Courtesy Call. The democratically elected president of taiwan called to congratulate the President Elect. So nothing new should be read into it . Well, i dont think so. I think i would just say to our counterparts in china that this was, this was a moment of courtesy, the President Elect talked to president tsai two weeks ago in the same manner. Welcome back to hardball. That was Vice President elect mike pence yesterday on meet the press. He was downplaying, of course, a Telephone Conversation were all talking about now between President Elect donald trump and the president of taiwan, in what is being described as a breach of diplomatic protocol. Its always dangerous with the chinese. Its not about matters, its about war. The Washington Post reported that the call was an intentionally provocative move and was the product of months of new strategy with taiwan. Chinese considers taiwan to be part of china. Trump is now the first u. S. President to have spoken with the taiwanese leaders ever since way back when in the 70s. China responded 79, it was by calling the conversation a petty move. But trump defended himself and the phone call in a flurry of tweets over the weekend, saying the president of taiwan called me today to wish me congratulations on winning the presidency. Thank you. And then he goes, interesting how the United States sells taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment, but i should not accept a congratulatory call. Did china ask us if it was okay to devalue their currency, making it hard for their companies to compete, heavily tax their products going into our country. The u. S. Doesnt tax them, or to build a massive Military Complex in the middle of the south china
sea. I dont think so. Thats trump. Rising the whole thing up. Andy kard was white house Chief Of Staff around j. Bush and andrea, thank you. Weve avoided fighting with russia since the cold war start going. And weve also voided being too menacing towards china, because its a big country with a lot of people. And we saw what happened in the korean war, where we just couldnt match their numbers. That theyre willing to throw into combat. So weve tried to avoid that. Are we avoiding trouble with china right now or looking for it . I think were looking a bigger deal out of this than we should. And i dont think it was wrong for President Elect trump to talk to the president of taiwan. But the United States does not recognize taiwan the way we recognize china with two systems. One china, two systems. Thats been a very delicate balance for a very long time. Im not sure that
President Elect trump understand that balance in the conversation that he had. But i Dont Fault Him for accepting the phone call. And yes, im sure it was a contrived phone call. Im sure that it was set up, but he wasnt being punked. But there should be recognition. We made a commitment to taiwan a very long time ago. We do offer some protection to them. And we do have a relationship with them. But its a relationship that is not meant to offense china. And thats a diplomatic balance. So this is unusual diplomacy. I had the privilege of representing the president of the United States at the president s inauguration in taiwan. I did not represent the people of the United States or represent the United States government p government, i represented the president. And that is a balance that has been such that weve maintained a Good Relationship with beijing and with taipei, and is not an easy thing to do. So words matter and i always tell the president , or a
candidate for president , taste your words before you spit them out. The diplomats help you taste those words. Anyway, i always wonder, what speed does china move at . Do they get roused up or think long term, make decisions and act longterm and dont worry about these little fleaflicker things like a phone call. Its a little of both. Theyre looking at a long game here and have been studying trump for years and have been trying to figure out what kind of leader would he be should he win. And so, they will continue to do that. And look at look far into the future, at the relationship with the United States, that they expect to have 30 years from now, when they see themselves as our full military and economic peer, not only in the pacific, but in the world. And are ready to challenge the United States much more frontally, three decades from now. They dont want to do that now. But, on the fleaflicker point, yeah, this really ticked them
off. And they expressed that first, i thought, very sort of amusingly to president obama, their first call was to the white house, saying, hey, how come you cant keep your guy in line here. Of course, obama had nothing to do with it, whatsoever. But in the chinese way of thinking, obamas the head of state. He should be able to do you think somebody in the media that has a big name, todays Walter Lipman or whoever that might be, should put out a column around the world, an apb, like what the police puts out, Dont Take What Trump says seriously for a few months, because it isnt that serious. Trump has tried to do that himself. Corey lewandowski over the weekend said, dont take him literally. You in the press take him literally. Its not fair. What are we supposed to do . Youve got a word processor, take notes, and go with words. Its a big challenge. It will be a challenge for everyone who is working around donald trump. But i also think that hes
reflecting whats happening in the world. We are a World Without discipline right now when it comes to war. White House Press Secretary josh earnest was asked about that phone call today. Heres what trump had to say. I think its hard to determine exactly what the aim was of the President Elect, and the Vice President elect and his Campaign Manager were, with when asked about this over the weekend, were told that this was a Courtesy Call and that the President Elect was merely returning that call. The Washington Post today tells a different story with sop trump aides indicating that this was a longplanned call and that this is part of a broader strategic effort. Its unclear exactly what the strategic effort is, what the aim of this strategic effort is, and its unclear what exactly potential benefit could be experienced by the united
states, china, or taiwan, but ill leave that to them to explain. Ive got to ask you something now that ive got you here, andy kard, i like to grab people. Andy kard, what happened to the Republican Party in new england . I was counting the senators from new england anymore that are republican, youve got Susan Collins left. And all of the states are women great governors, Charlie Baker in massachusetts, chris sununu coming in in new hampshire. Okay, okay, what happened to the republican representation in the United States senate from new england . Its gone we need more of it, yes, i admit that. What happened . Well, the Republican Party has got to get back its moved south. Where its an Inclusive Party rather than an exclusive party. And Donald Trumps victory actually proved to open some doors that hadnt been opened for a long time. If you look across the nation, he attracted people that havent been part of the republican establishment for a long time and got engaged. That will help to redefine the
party. The most popular governor in the United States today happens to be Charlie Baker, a republican governor in massachusetts. I thought you were going to be governor. You were almost alone. Andy kard, who had the distinction of being the Chief Of Staff, which is one of the most important positions in American Life with president bush, the second. Andy, thanks for coming. And anne gearan, thank you. Where republicans and democrats can Work Together. This is my dream. I think there are things like infrastructure and things like that that they can actually do together. After the bitter campaign, what issues can they Work Together on . This is hardball, the place for politics. I just want to find a used car without getting ripped off. Start at the new carfax. Com show me used trucks with one owner. Pretty cool. [laughs] ah. Ahem. Show me the carfax. Start your used car search at the allnew carfax. Com. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. With it, i earn unlimited 2 cash back on all of my purchasing. And that unlimited 2 cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. Which adds fuel to my bottom line. Whats in your wallet . But. My doctor recommended prilosec otc 7 years ago, 5 years ago, last week. Just 1 pill each morning. 24 hours and zero heartburn, its been the number 1 doctor recommended brand for 10 straight years, and its still recommended today. Use as directed
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both sides of the aisle, democrats and republicans, are trying to meet somewhere in the middle. According to the pew research center, contempt for the Opposing Side has been on the rise. Nearly 60 of republicans have a very unfavorable view of democrats. And nearly 55 of democrats have a very unfavorable view of republicans. The group no labels hopes to be the antidote to the rising partisan divide, by bringing republicans, democrats, and independents together to pass problemsolving legislation. Over the weekend, there was a glimmer of hope in that regard, heres what the speaker of the house, paul ryan, and the democratic leader in the house, nancy pelosi, had to say. I really think we have a great opportunity in front of us to fix problems, produce results, and improve peoples lives. Thats why were here in the first place. Thats whats going to matter at the end of the day. We will engage where we can and we will oppose where we cannot. Joining me now is adam kinzinger. Hes a republican member of the
congress from illinois and hes with the nolabels problem solvers caucus. Congressman, thank you for trying on this one. I would like to ask you about two issues that i think can be dealt with quickly. I want to go to the one that people think is complicated, i dont think it is. Immigration. Every country in the world has a work permit to work in that country. I cant go to swaziland tomorrow and just move in and start running a business. Youve got to get permission. So you should have permission, no matter how liberal the system is. I think we have to all agree, every country has a right to limit to some extent who comes in the country. Not to be discriminatory, just the numbers. And then you can say, if youre going to work here and not become a citizen, you need a work permit. If you want to become a citizen, thatll take longer. Heres the question. Whys it so hard. Why cant they just do that . Why do we have to talk about walls and deportation. The real problem is illegal hiring is in a magnet in this country for people to come here and once theyre here, no one
wants to throw them out unless theyre felons. So cant we agree . I think the way you phrased it and when you talk about kind of a comprehensive, its gotten a bad wrap, but a comprehensive reform to immigration, including border security, making sure thats important, but figuring out what to do with those here and finding a system that works on the work side of it. Its an 80 american issue. So i think, you know, right now, its kind of contention in terms of, we have to build a wall thing, and then, you know, was just contention on both sides. I think when it settles down and we kind of take a deep breath, thats an issue we can attack. But i think theres a lot of big issues we can attack first, and i think were going to have a really Good Opportunity to do that. Well, 12foot walls lead to 13foot ladders, right . Yeah. So i dont think anybody thinks theres a wall high enough the chinese wall didnt stop anybody. Let me ask you about this other one. I do think it comes down to hiring. People come here for a job, if you can get one legally. My job is, everybody thats here now with work permits, no more
deportations except for felons, give people work permits. If they want to become a citizen, theyve got to get in line behind people from poland and Everyone Else who wants to come here. Thats my Chris Matthews theory. Lets talk about infrastructure. We have an almost 20 trillion gdp. Were getting close to that range. What would we needle in terms of a real make America Great Infrastructure Campaign . What would it take . I think youll have to have a bipartisan buyin on this. This is why its so important to say, republicans, we took the chamber out here, we have the presidency now, we cant just focus on running only our agenda through. Were going to have to reach radio across the aisle. Because on infrastructure, we can all agree that, you know, look, its in the constitution that its the role of the federal government to provide post offices and post roads, which is obviously infrastructure. The problem is, how do we pay for it . And i think theres really ways to get this done, whether its bringing some of the corporate profits that are parked overseas and taxing them at a lower rate, or even things like having grown up discussions about how were paying for that infrastructure in terms of revenue collection. I think if we get some courage out here, a lot of people have courage, but were going to need some big courage to tackle these big issues and i think it can easily be done, we have to be willing to do it. How do you overcome the fact that democrats dont want to spend money and republicans arent trusted to spend it. You have to be honest with the american people. So, you know, if, for instance, we have a program where were spending money and need transparency to show where it is, i think we have to very aggressively try to get rid of im with you. Yeah, and you have all of these different programs that are redundant. Lets combine them together and make government effective and efficient and i think well earn the trust of the american people. People want to see what gets built, not just where you spent the money. The problem with the obama stimulus package, no one can think of what gets built. It gets peeed away, if you will, to use a bad phrase. Up next, when we come back, the hardball roundtable will be here with the latest twists and
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supporting him. I assume this circle is widening because trump is not sold on any of the four people we were told were finalists. The longer it goes on, the less likely it is he goes to giuliani or romney. How about someone traditionally qualified . Is there anybody on that list . Huntsman was reasonably positive about trump, when most of the establishment republican was not. He was not a nevertrumper. He spoke in a positive way about trump, early on, before he even started winning things. So while he wouldnt be a favorite of conservative republicans, maybe that gives him a little bit of traction. Lets talk loyalty. Huntsman was named ambassador to china, a hell of a post, by barack obama. He then quit the post and ran against barack obama. Would you like that as a story line as someone whos applying for a job, jay . So are you saying that one of these guys are going to go ahead and challenge trump . No, but i wouldnt think he would have a loyalty reputation. Well, look, he named nikki haley to his cabinet, who is a u. N. Ambassador. He was definitely a huge critic of Donald Trumps. So and there are and part of what he wants here, to some degree, is somebody who can bridge the establishment. Somebody who can talk to both sides of the party. He wants someone who looks the party, too. Boy, you are right where im at. I think this guys appearances its like, with all the women candidates, all very attractive. Its the way he looks at things. Trump tower is gold. Everything about his family is gold, and everything has to look right. These men they project strength and virility and especially swank. Petraeus, i was told after he met with petraeus and the same was true of john kelly, he admires his appearance. To them, they embody what trump sees in a trump Secretary Of State. You know whos like this . You know whos like this . Nixon. He was in love with john connelly, because he looked like secretary of the treasury. Youre laughing at me you think im off something here . No this is a television guy. He looks like a television guy. Who looks like romney, huntsman. They look the part. Anyway, lets talk about something. We all like uncle joe. Joe biden said hes going to run for president in 2020. We all love joe biden, but this seems unlikely to me. I mean, 2020, hell be 78 years old. Thats got to be the person ever running for hell just be beating the house leadership at the turn. Because theyre all older than him. Clyburns older than him, pelosis older than him. Theyre all older than biden. Really . Dont argue with me. I just checked it, because they were taking heat in this case. 77, 76, 78. Its unbelievable. The democrats have to eventually move on to a new generation. When would that be . This might be the moment. Maybe after a huge bruising
loss. I dont know. Jeremy, whos going to be the next democratic nominee for president . I dont think its going to be biden. Something tells me tonight this was more about being caught up in the emotion of that moment. A bill that just passed that wa dedicated to his son and i think that could have gotten to him. And i think his son would have asked him to run. What a great guy. Joe biden, i hope you take care of yourself. Up next, these three will Tell Me Something i dont know. Thats it . Yeah. Everybody two seconds dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance. Through the Tuition Assistance program, every day mcdonalds helps more people go to college. Its part of our commitment to being americas best first job. Gaviscon is a proven heartburn remedy that gives you fastacting, longlasting relief. It immediately neutralizes acid
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talked. I heard from both of their staffs when they do talk on the floor of the senate one thing they could always talk about was a mutual love of the nats. Thats the one thing they bonded overall the way to the end. Thats something i dont want to know. Im just kidding. Go ahead. Talk of jon huntsman as Secretary Of State is probably not going to happen. The real talk is what jon huntsman might do in 2018 and may primary orrin hatch. If hatch runs again . Thats what some people are speculating, absolutely. He would be a really strong contender. Hatch is beloved in utah but hes getting up there in age. I think beloved may be overstating. Youre biased. Susan, thank you, dear. You match up with the what are these flowers . Poinsettias. And Jeremy Peters and jay, my paul. When we return, a shameless display by the people vying to be picked by trump for any job. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. [burke] at farmers, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even a rodent ridealong. [dad] alright, buddy, dont forget anything [kid] i wont, dad. [captain rod] happy Tuesday Morning captain rod here. Its pretty hairy out on the interstate. Traffic is literally crawling, but there is some movement on the eastside overpass. Getting word of another collision. [burke] it happened. December 14th, 2015. And we covered it. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum
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