the latest on clinton's e-mail woes. know what's happening this week? alex wagner here next few days. i have to say sayonara. alex says -- >> namaste. >> "hardball with chris matthews" is next. can the birther man win african-american votes? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. donald trump is currently polling at 1% among african-american voters, 1%. he says he wants their vote. this weekend he repeatedly pitched himself to that group. what's his claim based on? trump built his political foundation on saying president obama, the first african-american president, was born overseas, that he's constitutionally illegitimate to hold the office. now trump says african-americans should vote for him. >> the gop is the party of abraham lincoln and i want our party to be the home of the african-american voter once again. what do you have to lose? you're living in poverty. your schools are no good. you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? >> for the record, his claim about african-american youth unemployment's wildly out of context. he seems to be using a statistic that doesn't really mean anything, the rate of the total population of young people meaning even high school and college students, people not actually looking for work. the second part of trump's pitch was a strong rebuke of hillary clinton. >> we reject the bigotry of hillary clinton, who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. if hillary clinton's goal was to inflict pain on the african-american community, she could not have done a better job. hillary clinton would rather provide a job to a refugee from overseas than to give that job to unemployed african-american youth in cities like detroit, who have become refugees in their own country. >> the clinton campaign called it shockingly ignorant, that pitch for african-american voters by trump. many critics pointed out that trump made the pitch in suburban areas with minuscule minority populations. meanwhile, some trump allies hinted the candidate might soften his tone on supporting illegal immigrants, a bedrock issue of his campaign. nbc news reports trump was postponing a planned speech about immigration scheduled for this thursday. what is trump up to? nbc's katy tur is in akron, ohio, where trump is speaking at this hour. can you hear me? i think this is a real question. i don't think trump's after the black vote, the african-american vote. i think he's after moderate republican women in the suburbs, where he's bleeding. your thoughts? what do you know? >> reporter: you're not the only one who thinks that, chris. we don't know from the campaign that that is exactly what they're doing but i can tell you that from past conversations, the goal of the campaign was to mitigate their losses when it comes to women. they are trying to not lose any more support. they trying to retain what they have and perhaps grow it here and there, but the big goal is to not bleed any further and these sort of pitches to african-americans, this idea that he might be pivoting or moderating when it comes to immigration and deportation forces could be a direct appeal to suburban white women. it's for them to start supporting donald trump more. as we know, his gap among women, between him and hillary clinton, is quite large and issues like that do contribute to it. so is this going to be an effective new attack for donald trump? we'll have to see. we should note he's talking about african-americans right now onstage. he did mention immigration, he talked about building the wall, but he did not talk about whether he was planning to do away with this idea of deportation forces. >> let's talk about these two conflicting goals. he wants women to vote for him because most voters are women. he wants white women to vote for him because that's his chance. he's not going to get many minorities to vote for him. at the same time, he's saying i'm better for african-americans to appeal to the moderate republican white woman. i hate talking like south africa but that's the way we're talking now. he's also going after hillary clinton saying she's sick over and over again, she's sick. there's a gender aspect to the way he's going after her on this, i think, because it's been done before. how does he convince women i'm on your side when he's saying the first woman who has a shot at being president is too ill for the office based on no information at all, just saying it? >> reporter: that's the real challenge. i'm not sure how he's going to do that. i have asked the campaign repeatedly what sort of outreach they are going to be doing to women or to potentially african-americans and i have gotten no real response. instead the campaign pivots away and talks about hillary clinton. but this fringe allegation that hillary clinton is not well, her health isn't good, is something we are seeing more and more with donald trump supporters online especially, some of the breitbart readers have brought it up, also roger stone has been talking about it, and more and more donald trump supporters have been tweeting various journalists that hillary clinton is not well, using an image of her falling down some stairs to try and prove that. donald trump himself has not gone full force with this at his rallies but he has alluded to hillary clinton being tired. s she sleeps all the time, she doesn't have the strength or stamina. many people see that as a dog whistle attack against her as a woman, a sexist attack, and if donald trump is going for women, which he needs to get, that is not something that's necessarily going to put him over the edge. but the women who come to these events i can tell you are very much in line with him and don't believe that any of his attacks are sexist in any way. they are totally against hillary clinton. >> okay. now for the big three. he still says barack obama's here illegally basically, he's from overseas, born in kenya, never naturalized. he says hillary's sick. barack obama's a foreigner, hillary clinton's sick and he's going to build a wall. here he is as you mention, donald trump again called tonight for mexico to pay for a border wall. it happened just moments ago. let's watch the third leg of the stool. >> we're going to build a wall, folks. we're going to build a wall. we're going to build it. don't worry. we're going to build the wall. that wall will go up so fast, your head will spin. and you'll say you know, he meant it. and you know what else i mean? mexico is going to pay for the wall. hillary clinton's plan amounts to total and absolute total open borders. open borders. >> thank you, katy tur. the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows trump polling at 1% among african-americans, even as trump attempts to reach out to that community supposedly. his history of inflammatory comments about race and ethnicity could be a major stumbling block. >> i still would like to see his college records. i would like to see a couple of things. trump comes along and said birth certificate. he gave a birth certificate. whether or not that was a real certificate because a lot of people question it, i certainly question it. >> will you unequivocally condemn david duke and say you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election? >> well, just so you understand, i don't know anything about david duke, okay? i don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. so i don't know. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut-down of muslims entering the united states. >> we have to have assimilation to have a country. we have to have assimilation. this is a country where we speak english, not spanish. >> we had a case where we had an african-american guy who was a fan of mine. great fan. great guy. in fact, i want to find out what's going on with him. you know -- oh, look at my african-american over here. look at him. >> think hard about that, everybody. there's my african-american over there. anyway, eugene robinson, columnist for "the washington post" and susan page -- you're laughing. >> he's half of the 1%. >> hillary clinton is secretly sick through some disease we don't know what it is, and they are going to build a wall. the guy hasn't given up on his most crazy ideas. >> no, he hasn't. >> he's adding to the list. >> he's not going to get any african-american votes or hispanic votes, for that matter or muslim votes or asian american votes. >> not a sung wiingle vote for romney in philadelphia. >> it will be negative for donald trump. no. look, clearly if there's any rhyme or reason to what he's doing now, it's trying to appeal to the suburb an white women. >> why white women? before we get to the woman of the three of us, why would women be more sympathetic -- unsympathetic to a candidate who is clearly a racist? >> i think there are a lot of moderate republicans, both male and female, who don't want to vote for a flaming racist. right? so if he can reassure them or can act like he's not a flaming racist -- >> he's been acting that way. >> all we have to go on is what he says and does. >> the birther thing strikes me as racist because you wouldn't say it about mitt romney. you wouldn't say it about any other white guy. why would you say it about -- he does have a muslim name or swahili name, a name from kenya. he does have that name. is that his reason for believing he was born there? no, i don't think so. >> i mean, got me. i don't know why he persists with this. >> he hasn't taken it back. >> it has been proven and disproven. the hillary clinton health thing is the equivalent for hillary clinton of the birther charge which is one he will make over and over again. the more you respond to it, he doesn't accept -- >> what's the sickness, according to trump? he ever say what it is? dysphagia? >> or giuliani this morning saying, just google it? really? >> it's on the internet, it's got to be true. >> we go to the national enquirer to find out about ted cruz's father's connection with castro or killing kennedy. it's in there. now we go to the crazy -- i looked at those crazy web sites. we won't show them. go ahead, look it up. we won't put it on the air. it's crazy people and crazy ads. >> she put a statement from her doctor saying she's in good health. the way she disproves it is campaigning and showing she has energy. that's the only effective response. >> know what she said? i have been accused by donald trump of getting a lot of sleep these days. maybe he ought to try it. as i mentioned, there were indications this week that trump might soften his stance on one of his bedrock campaign policies, the deportation of 11 million illegal people here in the united states. his campaign manager, kellyanne conway, one of his main surrogates, senator jeff sessions, fielded questions about that on sunday. here they go. >> there is a little confusion about his position but you're pretty certain about where he is in terms of removing the 11 million from the united states. >> well, what i'm certain about is that he did not make a firm commitment yesterday or the meeting the other day about what he will do with that, but he did listen and he's talking about it. >> as the weeks unfold, he will lay out the specifics of that plan that he would implement as president of the united states. >> will that plan include a deportation force, the kind that he just -- you just heard in that sound bite and that he talked about during the republican primaries? >> to be determined. >> kellyanne is smart, to be determined. that is a smart answer. but what does it mean? >> who knows? who knows? i don't think they know yet. they apparently don't know yet. because they canceled the immigration speech on thursday. >> okay. he's staying firm if you will on the wall. he's still joking about it tonight. >> yeah, right. there will be a wall. >> obama is still foreign and hillary's sick. he's willing to give on the deportations. >> right. right. which was, by the way, one of the pillars of his campaign. we will round' 11 million people and deport them. that was never going to happen. it's physically impossible. he said it and said it and said it and promised it and now he will take it back. >> we all watched the fall of tyrannies in history. they fall when they get a little weak, like the french revolution, we will give a little here, the russian revolution, we will give a little here. everyone says they're giving in. is he making mistakes politically? it's a catch 22. if he sticks with this crazy stuff, he's crazy. fe giv if he gives up on it he looks weak. >> none of us sitting here know what he can do to make his core supporters abandon ship. >> he can be tray them. >> that could do it. >> the thing is, the liberals in the media will trash him if he buckles in any way. they're not giving any credit for buckling. the conservatives will attack him as a traitor. >> i don't think either side will believe him. i think his core supporters will continue to believe whatever he's going to say. and the people he's trying to reach out to who are more moderate won't believe him. >> what's going on right now? why does he seem wobbly right now? >> well -- >> why does he seem to be softening up here? why is trump not trump this weekend? >> because he's trailing in every poll that's been taken for a month and we are getting to however many days we are from the election, so he's now focused on what do i need to do to right this ship. i think that's why he seems -- >> absolutely. they have convinced him to use the teleprompter and to try to stick to some sort of -- >> is he in the bunker? somebody compared the end of the third reich, the idea he's in the bunker and doesn't know what's going on outside. is he facing the abyss? >> look, i think he follows every number and every poll. i think he -- it's like a fever chart for him. every day, he's looking for a little uptick and a little encouragement. i think he knows where he stands. >> he's facing the abyss. >> right. only for that reason, he's agreed to these strictures he may not be able to keep for very long. he hasn't in the past. >> elizabeth warren is tough, very tough, but she's good at it. she said he doesn't like knowing that he's losing to a girl. >> yeah. >> something about this, bobby riggs. >> there's something strategic about the last word in that phrase. >> she was basically projecting what he was thinking. not what she was thinking. thank you. thank you both. stay with us. tonight, at 11:00 p.m., we will bring you a special late night live edition of "hardball" on msnbc at 11:00 eastern. still ahead this hour, on offense. the trump campaign is throwing the kitchen sink at hillary clinton. will those attacks stick like is she sick? totally making this up. plus, the nba all time scorer is here to play "hardball." kareem abdul-jabbar will discuss this wild election and his search for equality in america. and the "hardball" roundtable will be here as donald trump tries to stoke fears of a possible rigged election. is it possible he won't admit defeat ever? should hillary clinton win the presidency. i think he's setting it up for defeat. finally, let me finish this monday night with donald trump's attack on hillary clinton's health. you will be glad to hear what i have to say late in the show. okay, so what's our latest data say? our customer is a 21-year-old female. heavily into basketball. wait. data just changed... now she's into disc sports. ah, no she's not. since when? since now. she's into tai chi. she found disc sports too stressful. hold on. let me ask you this... what's she gonna like six months from now? who do we have on aerial karate? steve. steve. steve. and alexis. uh, no. just steve. just steve. just steve. live business, powered by sap. when you run live, you run simple. great new numbers from the key battleground state of ohio, which often stiedz presidential elections. hillary clinton now has a four point lead over donald trump. 43% toertarian gary johnson is to 10%. as for the home state governor, john kasich, 38% say they think more of john kasich personally after kasich said he will never support donald trump. fascinating. i bet a lot of them are democrats. we'll be right back. start yours with philips sonicare, the no.1 choice of dentists. compared to oral-b 7000, philips sonicare flexcare platinum removes significantly more plaque. this is the sound of sonic technology cleaning deep between teeth. hear the difference? 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>> only to the extent that donald trump rather than talking about the clinton foundation or more substantive issues has allowed himself to veer off into the fever swamps. i think this will be a mark of what this campaign will look like. this is the kind of stuff that as rudy giuliani mentioned you can look up on the internet, you can go into the alternative reality bubble of the conspiracy theory breitbart.com world and yeah, this is really a big deal and donald trump is insisting on talking about it when he should be talking about more substantive issues. but again, this is what you get. >> what do you think, steve? are there more substantive issues? let's talk about the health thing. it seems hillary's defense is to just keep showing up. >> that's right. >> whether she holds a press conference or not is another kettle of fish. she may not want to talk about the clinton global initiative. there are a lot of reasons you might dodge a big picture hour of anybody can get me who wants to. >> anybody who has ever watched somebody run for president, hillary clinton has been doing it a long time, sees how much stamina it takes. she doesn't run home to sleep in her own bed. she doesn't come out once a day for a rally at night and fly home to her penthouse in new york. she's out there campaigning every day, all day long. >> does she have a penthouse in new york? >> donald trump might have a penthouse in new york. anybody who doesn't think she has the stamina should go on the trail with her and walk a week in her shoes. >> why is trump pushing this baby? >> i don't know. >> it's not provable that she's healthy. is it one of those things you can't disprove a negative? >> it's the birth certificate of 2016. earlier you were talking about how he's trying not to lose any more support, he's hemorrhaging support among women and he wants to try to shore up whatever support he has left. this is no way to do it. >> you know when he went after ted cruz, you know all about that, the sick thing about going after cruz, i'm no fan of cruz, but going after his father for being part of the assassination of jack kennedy based upon, i'm sorry, reports in the national enquirer. >> yeah. >> why would anybody believe this, as joe biden would say, malarkey? how would you trust a guy to deal with anything, the economy, anything that mattered to you, if they based their facts on this kind of stuff? the national enquirer and what's on the internet? >> well, that is what's going on here. you know, when he named steve bannon to be ceo of his campaign, he basically said this is the kind of stuff i'm going to be talking about. every single week i get calls from republican who tell me he will make the pivot and talk about substantive issues, he understands he has to stop the insults, he will talk about hillary's record and the other issues. then when i ask why is he talking about hillary's health, why is he peddling these kind of things, they just roll their eyes. i don't know why they are even surprised by this anymore. >> could it be, you see this woman behind him? these are grown-up women. they are all laughing at this stupid stuff about the wall. could it be he's made the mistake of believing reality is what people will laugh at and cheer at his rallies? >> that's exactly, this is what convinced mitt romney he was going to win the election in 2012. the people that were around him at his rallies. charlie had the best line of the campaign so far when he said it's like donald trump has gone into hospice. he wants to be surrounded by the people who admire him the most, political hospice, i'm talking about. i'm not spreading a health rumor here. i'm just saying political hospice. he wants to be surrounded by people at his rallies who admire him when he says crazy things and who get all excited so he will say even crazier things. >> the thing about being -- when you are in public life, nice people like you always say so. people who don't like you walk past you and ignore you. i learned that. that's the way it works. otherwise everybody loves me. not sure that's true. thank you for joining us, charlie, who made a big effort to get here and steve mcmahon. up next, kareem abdul-jabbar is coming here. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet? 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he's really pushing it this weekend. >> i think probably there's some remorse as to how he's handled his campaign, if he could approach all people with some respect and humility, i think he would get a lot further in his quest to be elected president. >> right now, a few moments ago tonight on monday night in akron, ohio, donald trump made an appeal to african-american votes supposedly. i don't think it's for real. let's watch him. >> our government has totally failed our african-american friends, our hispanic friends and the people of our country, period. poverty, rejection, horrible education, no housing, no homes, no ownership, crime at levels that nobody's seen. you can go to war zones in countries that we're fighting and it's safer than living in some of our inner cities. what the hell do you have to lose? give me a chance. i will straighten it out. i'll straighten it out. >> you know, those women behind him who are white women were all laughing at that. i thought it was odd that that was a joke, making a joke about people's predictments in this country. >> you know, if he had some credibility, i would be more interested in what he was talking about. but so far he hasn't come up with any concrete plans on how he's going to do it. he hasn't shared them with us. so i don't think that at this point, we need to believe that that's what he's going to do. he's said he's going to do a lot of things and there's been no concrete plans for anything. >> you know, for awhile there i had some faith that he meant something about infrastructure which is the most boring word in history as you know. i thought he was going to rebuild the cities, the sewer systems, the subway systems, the water systems, the highways, the bridges, and then maybe put some real state of the art transportation statements into this k -- systems into this country. he seems to have dropped that idea which would create real high-paid jobs and get this country work again, yet he seems to kill that idea. i don't know, why do you think he dropped that idea which was a positive thing? let's get building again. >> i don't know why. that is a very real issue and i think that a real plan to make that come about would certainly get a lot of interest. >> what do you think about his decision to go after muslims? he said i'm going to keep them out of the country, keep people from coming from dangerous countries where there is terrorism from coming here. of course, that wouldn't stop people coming here from germany which put together 9/11 so this regional approach won't work. a significant number of african-americans are muslim. you're muslim. is there a sense he doesn't like muslims, doesn't really like mexicans, why would he like us? what's the sense of minorities in the way trump talks, generally? >> well, i think the contempt that he has manifest with regard to minority people i think is more or less a nostalgia for the way things were in the '50s and '60s when all the people in charge of everything, the majority of them, overwhelming majority of them, were from europe and now that's not the same. so i think there's some nostalgia there for a time when things were more to his liking. >> what was it like when you as a young man, young adult, converted to islam? did you feel the pressure? what was that like and how does that feel today given the fact he's talking about banning people of your religion? >> when i became muslim, islam was more or less under the radar. people weren't that interested in it and as long as i didn't go out and do outrageous things, people were pretty tolerant of me. i think after 9/11, people changed. they want to know what's this all about, what is this faith that keeps supplying people that hate us. i can't blame them for feeling like that. you know, i started having to answer questions of that nature. >> what do you think about your religion in terms of terrorism? how do you react to terrorism? >> islam doesn't teach terrorism. islam teaches us that we have to be able to interact with other faiths and make sure that we aren't taken advantage of and make sure we don't try to take advantage of them. that is the golden rule. treat others as you want to be treated. that's what islam teaches us. >> that's what i thought, too. thank you. kareem abdul-jabbar. "writings on the wall" is out now. up next, if trump doesn't win the election will he concede? will he ever say it was a straight election that he lost or will it always be that it was rigged? the roundtable has a look at the rigged election talk of donald trump and what it could mean come the day after the election. what if a company that didn't make cars made plastics that make them lighter? the lubricants that improved fuel economy. even technology to make engines more efficient. what company does all this? exxonmobil, that's who. we're working on all these things to make cars better and use less fuel. helping you save money and reduce emissions. and you thought we just made the gas. energy lives here. if we get cheated out of this election, if we get cheated out of a win in pennsylvania which is such a vital state, especially when i know what's happening here, folks. i know -- she can't beat what's happening here. the only way they can beat it in my opinion and i mean this 100%, if in certain sections of the state, they cheat. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was donald trump in altoona, pennsylvania earlier this month referring to potential cheating. talk about rigged he lelectionsa staple of the trump election. eli stokels wrote a story what if trump won't accept defeat, saying trump will point the finger at the media and gop establishment. that ally said i can't picture him giving a concession speech whatever the final margin. when trump's national infrastructure raises questions about whether he can win, the "new york times" reports mr. trump's operation still largely resembles the bare-bones outfit he rode to victory during the primary season. more concert tour than presidential campaign. eli joins us now, jane newton small from "time" magazine. let's run by this word association. rigged election. why would somebody push that? >> he's trying to -- >> now, in august. >> he's trying to keep his supporters ginned up and set an excuse if he loses. >> would you be more likely to vote in an election you thought was rigged? i would be less likely. i would think why waste my vote. why would you tell someone that was going to vote for you it's a rigged election? >> it doesn't seem motivational but he's getting them ginned up. never in history have we seen an election where the person that lost doesn't concede -- >> it's the one honest speech of the campaign. he's got to get close to make this believable. just be practical. you can steal an election, i guess, with a small number of votes, you could argue the thing in ohio in 2004. you can't really claim lbj stole 100,000 votes, i don't think. that's a lot of votes to steal. you got to get close and say we was robbed. but 6-5 in baseball, you got robbed on a call. but if it's 6-0 you weren't robbed. >> but this is outrage. it's part of the -- >> for what purpose? >> it's again, ginning up outrage has been his number one gel the entire election. >> is it excuse building right now? >> it is. it's setting himself up to say if i fail, somehow it's not my fault. just like the debates. he's called into question the debates saying -- >> how do you steal a debate? how do you rig a debate? >> he's saying the nfl, the scheduling wasn't worked out, it wasn't in our favor, the schedule was done without us. he's already starting to talk about somehow all of these institutions are rigged -- >> david, if donald trump has a fantastic performance against hillary clinton and she chokes for whatever reason or he chokes, everyone on earth will know it within a few hours. they don't have to watch. it will be in the atmosphere. you know how it works. it's everywhere. people call you up, did you see that. you watch the repeats, you watch the bites. everybody knows when what was it, dan quayle said i'm jack kennedy? everybody knew about it. >> completely. but part of what trump's doing is feeding into an attitude that's there already. every election since 2000 the number of people on the losing side think the election has been stolen has increased. >> who believes which elections were stolen? >> al gore v bush. >> there was fraud in philly -- >> acorn stole it? >> if you talk to people after the polls were taken they had stories about how there were parts of cleveland where they suppressed republicans, parts of philadelphia. this was there already. this a this is an example of trump feeding into something people feel is unfair. you talk about 2012 and they will say candy crowley helped steal the election. >> that's an argument. that's not a conspiracy theory. she said governor, you did say that. i don't think people who moderate the debate should be emcees. they shouldn't go to the next question. they should listen and keep some order. >> that hurts the candidate you're supporting, you say the media is biased. he's playing into the politics of grievance. that will be useful after the election. if he and steve bannon, if there's a growing conservative media -- >> roger ailes. >> you never know. keeping these people angry, that accrues to trump's benefit. >> somebody ought to say something. you know, i'm a little bit of a romantic but we have clean elections in this country for president of the united states. there may be state senate races that were a conflict, like in philly years ago. most of the states, all the states, it's honest. we can argue about the supreme court decision. i didn't like it but it was public. there wasn't anything stolen. they did it 5-4, republican. >> there was a comprehensive study done over the last decade that showed there is something like maybe 31 votes in a decade could be proven to have not actually been the actual votes. >> clean system. >> out of hundreds of millions cast. it's a very clean system. >> i know what trump's saying when he says certain sections of this state. he's talking about philly which is largely black, african-american now. he's saying -- yet when we have these studies, 59 precincts where there was no vote for mitt romney. that wasn't stealing elections. they don't even have a republican ward leader there. they don't have anything there. the whole vote is democrat. >> they have a lot of offices in ohio. they don't have any in cleveland. so this is like -- >> they don't win elections there. >> it's not like we haven't worked that area. it's like how can we get zero percent of the vote, it must be rigged. it's a convenient but not believable excuse. >> his infrastructure is nonexiste nonexistent. hillary has 152 offices in ohio, more offices in the state of ohio than he has staff. 82 staff. >> trump's message the system is rigged seems to be working. 51% of his supporters, you are good at this, have little or no confidence in the accuracy of the vote count. that's a change from supporters of republican nominees in the past. so it's getting worse. >> that's what i mean. it's going to be worse because there's even more episodes of people showing up at what they see as a giant rally, they can see it was bigger than hillary's rally, they will wonder why he didn't win. i saw this covering ron paul. he got 5,000 people to show up, then wouldn't win the election. trump is setting that up and setting up people to blame the media, literally chanting for our jailing at these events. so this is something that he's not interested in bottling. i don't know how -- >> should he feel proud for getting our elections to the lowest level of discourse, we are like the worst banana republic country where they always blame the other side when they lose, it was stolen and when they win, they jail the person that loses. like in pakistan where they take the guy and hang him. is this where it's getting? >> we don't know. >> a joke? where we -- in africa, i understand in africa it's like this because in africa if your tribe loses the election you're out of business. you're just gone. the other tribe gets in, they win, they get ought the bennies. this country is not like that. trump won't be poor if he loses. these people won't be pure if they lose. >> if you want to propose more money and standardization and make it as easy as going into a bank, you could. he's just saying we're helpless against this crooked wink-wink urban system. he does it without the intent of fixing it. just with the intent of inciting people. >> it does so much damage to the system. your faith and confidence in government is completely destroyed. >> moment ago he sent out a call to his supporters to watch the polls. >> you've got to get every one of your friends, you've got to get every one of your family, you've got to get everybody to go out and watch. go out and vote. and when i say watch, you know what i'm talking about, right? you know what i'm talking about. >> you think the women behind him will check the voting booths and the voting in north philly? i don't think they will be there. these are suburban white people and they are chuckling and nodding in agreement. we have to stop this black vote stealing. >> it sounds like that's what he's asking them to do. you call him on it, he are say oh, no, that's not what i'm saying. that's what he's calling on his supporters to do. >> poll watchers in the worst, tough neighborhoods? that what he's pushing? >> i don't think he's getting suburban moms to go to inner city neighborhoods and monitor polls. but he's sowing the seeds of doubt. that's what he's doing. >> this is getting raw. this election is about barack obama being a foreigner, usurper, shouldn't be in tofhe office. if he's riding down pennsylvania avenue, the president of the united states he believes is illegitimate. hillary clinton is sick. he's going to build that wall. up next, these three tell me something i don't know. be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. some serious allergic reactions can occur. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. most people using stelara® saw 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®. tune in at 11:00 eastern for a special live late night edition of edition of "hardballl new show. latest on the clinton and trump kick-offs starting this week with 75 days to election day. we'll be right back. hey, sea rcng for a great used car? 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it is about trump feeling he doesn't have anything to lose by saying that and he is deeply frustrated why he is sitting at zero percent. >> thank you. eli, you know your stuff, jay, as always from "time" magazine and frequently you are a frequent guest here. when we come back, donald trump's attack on clinton's health. arned the horn from my dad and played gigs from new york to miami. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is fda approved to treat this pain, from moderate to even severe diabetic nerve pain. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs, and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. now i have less diabetic nerve pain. and these feet would like to keep the beat going. ask your doctor about lyrica. start the interview with a firm handshake. ay,no! don't do that! try head & shoulders instant relief. it cools on contact, and also keeps you 100% flake free. try head & shoulders instant relief. for cooling relief in a snap. the oil companies wbr id "wbr34230" pollute our air. putting their... ...profits ahead of our kids' health. now they're trying to weaken california's clean air laws. i'm tom steyer. we've had a million kids get asthma. we need to send the wbr id "wbr34530" oil companies a message. tell your legislator to stand up to the oil companies and protect our clean air laws. don't let the oil companies put their profits... ...ahead of our kids. /b let me finish this monday night with donald trump's take on hillary's health. the first thing to say is it's a legitimate issue if it's true. if not, i can't think of a political shot as low or quite this desperate. f decrease w fdr was in terrible health and democrats were so concerned he wouldn't make the term they put in someone else and he didn't want to be president. if a president's health is so bad you have to dump his v.p., what basis do you have for renominating him? the democrats tried putting the shoe on the other foot in 1956 realizing they couldn't deny popular dwight d. eisenhower a second term focused on the heart attack and said they couldn't afford to have richard nixon be president, that didn't work. lyndon johnson tried to keep jack kennedy from the presidency putting out word he suffered from addison's disease which he did. if he didn't, kennedy might never have been a president. saying a joke he wouldn't use his opponent's youth against him, ray gone got re-elected. and reagan quipped he didn't want to pick on an invalid and that was cheap shot. and the kind we're getting directed by donald trump, right now at hillary clinton, a cheap shot there. there ought to be a special political graveyard for politicians who attack someone's health, makes me think this one about hillary clinton might be directed by her gender, don't you think? i'm not the only one that thinks that. dick nixon did the same thing to his rival in the senate race y