All you need. Until tomorrow, mark and i will be back here. We have one word for you. Its not 4 20. Coming up, heaardball. As goes new york. Well, lets play hardball. Good evening. Im chris matthews. It was a big night for the home teams in new york. Donald trump cleaned the clocks of both his republican rivals putting another roadblock in front of the socalled stop Trump Movement. We begin with the changing dynamics of the democratic fight. Hillary clinton took a big step forward in her path to the nomination winning big over Bernie Sanders this her adopted state. Her victory is major set back for senators after returning to vermont late last night took the
day off for the campaign trail to recharge. Clinton has won 19 states across the country. Look at the map, and up the east coast where she hopes to build upon her success. The race turns to five North Eastern states that hold their primaries next week. New polls and two of them show clinton ahead. No surprise there. Thats her strength. This pennsylvania poll shows clinton ahead up by 13 points. 5239. Clinton is up by 9 in connecticut where her lead is bolstered by the support of women voters. The Clinton Campaign is hoping to widen that margin in that state with a new ad on gun control, gun safety as we say it now which features the daughter of the Sandy Hook Elementary School principal who very courageously gave up her life in that 2012 massacre. Lets watch the ad. My mom was the principal of sandy hook school. She was murdered trying to protect the children in her care from the gunman. No one is fighting harder to reform our gun laws than Hillary Clinton. Shes the only candidate that has what it takes to take on the gun lobby. She reminds me of my mother. She isnt scared of anything. She reminds me of my mother. Shes not afraid of anything. In that order, starting with car line, if you look at the map and ive begun to be fascinated with the maps, they shape up as you fill in cross words puzzle. Youre seeing where people enlarge on their strength rather than jump around. Hillary clinton is strong in the
east. It looks to me like shes in a clean up situation right now. Shes in a very good situation. Shes feeling good. They are feeling confident. We do have this kind of moment in the campaign you saw that sanders took the day off. Hes tired. Hes a little cranky. Theres some assessment going on about what his future is. Hillary clinton is looking beyond sanders even though they wont say that publicly. It feels like this is a moment where he will decide in his heart of hearts he would really like to go do california, keep fighting. Keep bringing the money in, but does that make sense more broadly . Rick, do you think Bernie Sanders can run a campaign effectively from june by focusing on philosophy and his differences with Hillary Clinton on issues where he is to her left and very popular for being that and avoid this hitting her
with a crowbar . Can he run that campaign or does it have to be vicious . If you mean something that will get him the nomination . No. If you mean something that will strengthen the Democratic Party, sure he can do that. He has every right to continue through california and make his issue arguments and what i hope he will take from his day off is stop with the character suggestions that theres something unqualified or corrupt about hillary. Well said. I agree with that. Were talking about a campaign thats in his heart. He cant keep talking about his age, but it does matter. This is his chance. Its his time. Hes almost 75. This is his last time to do
something like there. If he wants to end on a positive note he can do that. Choosing that he also seems to be having to choose im not going to win this thing. Im not sure hes willing to give it up. I can only imagine this is a decision that senator sanders is going to have to make himself not just here but here in his heart. He has to decide high road, low road. He has to decide if it will be not only beneficial to him but also beneficial to the nominee and to the Democratic Party and if his chances in november. He has a ton of money. He can raise millions of dollars. Theres no reason for him to get out. He has the money to go around the country. Theres three races. The money race hes winning. Hes winning the polling numbers
but hes losing in the delegate fight. A victory speech last night. Hillary clinton offered a message to sand eers supporters who she will need to win in the election. To all the people who supported senator sanders, i believe theres much more that unites us than divides us. Well, senator sanders gave no indication he intends to slow down on concede his fight for the nomination. Listen to this. Quote, this is from jennifer. Sanders needs to decide and as he closes out the democratic primary if he will continue on the destructive path he started down in new york or if he is going to end this primary the way he promised, to run the kind of kpacampaign he would that wa
focused on issues. Tad divine said his candidate can win the primary and blame clinton for the negative tone of the recent campaign. Theres a lot of states ahead that we can win and a lot of delegates we can win. Hes energizing the party. We saw yesterday in the exit poll, twothirds of the democ t democrats said the campaign was energizing the party. A plurality of voters, 46 said the Clinton Campaign was the campaign that was being, really making a negative case. They should take a step back and restrain the rhetoric we heard from the spokes people last night. Let me go back to carolyn. One of the problems that bernie changing his tune to a more positive statement. The right to a health care in your life. These are philosophical
differences. Theyre not just money issues. He becomes like ted kennedy giving his georgetown speech back in 80. Those kind of speeches. I think where you really see this is if on social media the fights that are breaking out between sanders supporters and the clinton supporters. The sanders supporters really feel like this is a movement and this is a sweeping, scathing critique of the democratic establishment in their coziness with wall street and with business. They feel like theyve unleashed something thats much bigger. If youre asking him to sort of give up what they see as this kind of moral critique in this foundation from which they have run, youre sort of taking away the energy, the breath and force of this whole movement. How can he ever endorse Hillary Clinton who is tied to the establishment . She is the establishment. If you watch that vermont
press conference which he gave which was really interesting, he was pretty grudging even in his congratulations toward Hillary Clinton. He also started attacking the new york results voting irregularities. It does not feel like a moment where these feelings are going to go away. He does not seem like just constitutionally a uniter and someone who will be comfortable as a surrogate to Hillary Clinton. Rick, i think were not used to coming across someone who has true philosophy. Were used the people its always matter of degree. I can move a little right or left. Well get together. Its calibrated. We can fix it. He may be the rare exception of a guy who has an ideological, hes made a decision to not become of a democratic organization. He wants to have a separate
philosophy. It may be, you tell me. You think hes the kind of guy to join the gang at the end . I think he will. I hope so. I dont see why he shouldnt. Being a democratic socialist or social democrat, if you look at the way social democrats behave, they are willing to get together with people to their right and get something done. I dont see why bernie should be any different once he calms down. I truly think that hillary would be well advised not to attack him. The commercial you showed a bit earlier, it wasnt an attack. It was an attack on bernie at all. It was a jab. It was a jab because of the alleged opposition to gun safety greatly exaggerated. Its a point where he had to actually play the political game
to survive in vermont and shes the one who should be calm and loving, you might say. John. I find it kind of hilarious that senator sanders is upset about the commercial you just showed from Hillary Clinton given the commercial his campaign released before the New York Primary about money that folks in washington all crooked. All crooked and hes holier than thou. I think his fit of peak here is, i dont know, whats the right word to not enrage the Bernie Sanders supporters. Its frustrating and its annoying. I can understand why jen put out that statement that she put out. I think that ultimately the Clinton Campaign, clinton ally, clinton supporters need to step away from senator sanders and give him the time to go through the process of grieving and
healing and coming to the point where he becomes a sincere ally of keeping the white house instead of setting up a situation where hillary is the nominee shes so cripple in this environment that could become elected president. You dont want to be where he was after the great run in 68. You dont want to be that guy. Thank you. I have a long memory for bad behavior. It hasnt helped ralph nader. Now hell call me. Let me just drop that. I wont say anything. Ill drop that. Thank you. Thanks for coming on tonight. Coming up, with a huge win in new york, can donald trump clench the republican nomination before cleveland or can the stop Trump Movement still force him out at a contested convention . Plus, the growing likelihood that novembers general election matchup will be the heavy weight bout we all want to see. Trump versus clinton. The hardball round table is here to tell me things, three things i dont know about the 2016 president ial race. Youll want to stick around for that. Let me finish with a big problem for politics. We dont build anything because we dont trust the democrats with money and republicans dont want to build anything. This is hardball. The place for politics. At temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. Everywhere where theres a phone, you have a bank. Now a person is able to start a business, and employ somebody for the first time. The microsoft cloud helped us to bring banking to ten Million People in just two years. Its transforming our world. Take on the unexpected. The new 2016 nissan altima. Built to stand out. Bernie Sanders Campaign manager jeff weaver has been on the show a lot. He was asked this evening, the program before us whether his candidate sanders would remain in the Democratic Party if he does not win the nomination. Here is what weaver said. Will he stay in the Democratic Party. He said he is a democrat. Leahes a member of the Democratic Party for life . Yes he is. Thats interesting. Hardball returns afterthis. Understands the life behind it. Those who have served our nation. Have earned the very best service in return. Usaa. We know what it means to serve. Get an Auto Insurance quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. I missed a payment. Aw, shoot. Shoot this is bad. No were good this is your first time missing a paymt. And youve got the discover it card, so we wont hike up your apr for paying late. Thats great it is great both simultaneously thank you. At discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Get the it card with late payment forgiveness. Youto get the help yourefar looking for. Thats why at xfinity were opening up more stores closer to you. Where you can use all of our latest products and technology. And find out how to get the most out of your service. So when you get home, all you have to do is enjoy it. Were doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. Because we should fit into your life. Not the other way around. One of the reasons i had this incredible victory last night, everybodys talking about it. Its really nice. Its great feeling. Our victories are so big like last night when you get more than 61 of the vote with remember this, with two people running. Theyre not the best people, but theyre people. Everything youre told by your mother not to do, this guy does, and he won again last night. Donald trump spoke to a large rally in indianapolis. It was vintage trump going after crooked hilly and lying ted. Paul manafort is trump first and foremost. I love running against
crooking hillary. I love that. In the case of lying ted cruz, lying ted, lies. He lies. You know ted, he brings the bible, holds it high. Puts it down. Lies. Build a wall. Were going to build a wall. Believe me. Look at all those cameras zooming. They are the most dishonest people in the world. The media. They are the worst. Do we like the media . Do we hate the media . We need that kind of thinking in this country basis our country is going to hell. Believe me. We will get rid of isis so fast that your head will spin, okay. This man sees himself in lincolns chair. Get used to that. Trumps two remaining opponents insist the race will come down to delegate fight in cleveland at the convention. Can the party deny the frontrunner even if hes within a few dozen delegates of the matching 1237. The chairman of the Colorado Republican Party needs an unbound delegate. I think a lot of people thinks he gets to around 50 to 100, hell be able to carry it. Ron kauffman said quote, if hes close after june 7th, it will be a compelling reason for folks to say hes won the most delegates by a lot. Hes won the most voters by a lot. In the end we want to make sure all those millions of people who voted in a republican primary understand the votes were worth while. Thats thoughtful. U. S. Congressman charlie dent of massachusetts supporter of john cay sin kasich. Thanks for joining us. What do you think will happen if were watching cleveland and all eyes will be on gavel to gavel. People watching cspan. What will happen with rules and the role call and all that stuff and credentials and all the fights. What will happen if you see trump at 1100 and hes not a give me like in golf. Hes not a few inches from the cup but hes close. What happens then . What youre seeing across the d country is people are used to if youre watching the sporting event, the team with the most point wins. I think thats the way most people say trump. I think he will get to 1237. I think were seeing that on both sides of the aisle. Lets take a look at the near future. Here is a map of the states that voted so far in the republican race. Look at this number. Look at ted cruz has done well. Look at that. Close in now as youre watching. Look at the red and where trump has done well. Hes going to close in on that open spot. The gray spot there in the northeast. Hes ready to just wrap it up in that part of the country after winning new york. Let me go to the guy who doesnt like trump. Hes going to win five next week. Hes ahead in pennsylvania. Im not going to deny that fact. These delegates are going to have to make a choice in cleveland. I dont believe donald trump will get the number before cleveland. Were going to Start Talking about electability. Who can win in the fall. Its some kind of weird
excitement he creates. What if he says im going to have a meeting on monday at some arena. He says if we dont get treated right, if i dont get the nomination, well all walk together. What happens if he threatens to do that . He may do that. If hes the nominee, the estimate is 30 of republicans will walk away from his cand candidacy. Theres going to be hurt feelings no matter ha happens here. If donald trump gets it, there will be hurt feelings. We have to accept that fact. Were in a pretty tough spot. He could walk away. With donald trump everything is negotiatable including his party affiliation. I accept that but i dont know how we get out of this. Thats why i keep pushing for john kasich. What happens if donald trump pulls a reagan like he did in pennsylvania years ago and declares two all these things
are possible. Suppose he gets up tomorrow morning, he just says im picking kasich for my running mate. What happens then . I guess i would be stuck. He hasnt been offered it. If youre going to try to pull a ronald reagan, we need a drew louis. Today donald trump tweeted, hes still tweeting, ted cruz is mathematically out of winning the race. All he can do is be a spoiler. After weeks of saying hes the only candidate to beat trump at the ballot, cruz has come out with a new message, the race is headed to a contested convention. Lets watch cruz. Nobodys getting 1237. Donald knows that. Were headed to a contested
convention. In a contested convention, the only way you become the republican nominee is earn the support of a majority of delegates elected by the people. In the past cruz argued that john kasich should get out of the race because mathematically kasich cant win. Lets watch what hes refusing to do now, get out when you cant win. I dont think any candidate that doesnt have path to winning, thats time when you should suspend your campaign. At this point kasich has been mathematically eliminated. He needs more than 100 of the delegates to be the nominee. Thats obviously impossible. Its mathematically impossible for john kasich to become the thom knee. I thats going to be his career move. Today, kasich tweeted now that cruz is mathematically eliminated, the only difference is kasich can defeat clinton. Congressman, let me ask you about this. How did you guys find such an unlikable opponent as ted cruz. Theyre all less popular and less impresive. People will be disappointed because everybody bets on their horse. Now trump has a big lead, and i think he will take it to the finish line. Its time for the party to unite. We have to get behind our candidate and focus on the general election. Let me ask you about pennsylvania. You know it well. You come from the swing part of the state. We have an executive producer, he knows all about it. We talked about that. Ive watched that part of the state. You should be able to tell us. Will trump win or will your guy win. In Lehigh Valley . No, in state of pennsylvania next week. Will your guy win or will trump win . Right now trump is ahead. John kasich is within s