is it a position she's taking to ward off challengers or is it truly her philosophy? is her lean to the left to get her through the primaries or a set of principles she'll defend to november? according to the new york times, mrs. clinton's aids say it's the only way to win in heightened polarization when voters is truly up for grabs and her liberal policy position they say will fire up democrats, a less difficult test than trying to win over independence in more hostile territory, even though a broader strategy could help lift the party with her. well, secretary clinton backed a constitutional right for same-sex marriage. she's tweeted back in april coat every loving couple and finally deserves to be recognized and treated equally under the law across our nation. she's spoken about issues of race and criminal justice. here she is. >> from ferguson to staten island to baltimore, the patterns have become unmistakable and undeniable. there is something profoundly wrong when african american men are still far more likely to be stopped and searched by police, charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than their white counter parts. >> last week she took up voting rights to make it harder to vote. here she is. >> today republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop millions of american si sevens from voting. what part of democracy are they afraid of? >> well, here she is talking about immigration and go further than president obama from deportations. >> i will fight for comprehensive immigration reform and a path to citizenship, congress continues to refuse to act as president, i would do everything possible under the law to go even further. there are more people like many parents of dreamers and others with deep ties and contributions to our communities who deserve a chance to stay. >> she's also spoken about paid leave and issues of pay equity for women. here she is on that. >> it is outrageous that america is the only country in the developed world that doesn't guarantee paid leave to mothers of newborns. [ applause ] >> it is also hard to believe that so many women are still paid less than men for the same work with even wider gaps for women of color. >> i'm joined by ""huffington post"" and msnbc politicalest and all of you, this to me is a profound statement in the campaign. if you look at issues on blacks and how treated by police, she could be al sharpton ask just as tough, immigration fighting for the rights of hispanics and voting rights sounds like me. she's really hitting the hard point. not much room to her left if you're bernie sanders, where do you go? >> i don't think there is, either. what she's doing is a primary seasoned strategy and a general election season strategy. you can learn about her by comparing her to husband. bill clinton got on a bus of the democratic convention in new york and worked the seam of white middle class voters along ohio, pennsylvania, west virginia and going for democrats white swing voters, well, in 25 years, the demographics have changed. the electric and democratic party -- >> talking about women, hispanics, a new demographic america. she's going to also have have to the address them on the tough economic issues which are a little less low hanging fruit than what you put? >> have to make a decision about the hot issues. it seems to me howard laid it out because that diagonal that goes down through appalachia, white people have been in the mountains for years and americans to the roots all the way back. the hardest folk to catch and never caught them and sounds like joe should be mad because that's his crowd she is on. >> coming back to the democratic party. >> she made a decision to go to the big cities, the great lake states. >> i mean, the campaign would say they are going to fight for every vote in every state and so forth and clearly, they would love to win ohio among the states along that seam at the very least, they would love to win as many as they can, but howard is right, they will slice and dice the rest of the electric and try to target both with positioning on some of these issues and on turnout on motivation. >> it's the bush strike that strategy of work the base, right? >> bush meets barack obama there is technology at work that wasn't available to george bush and a whole kind of motivation of getting people to come out and vote again. >> joe of west virginia said the plan was a recipe, catch this, for the status quo in washington to continue. he told "the new york times" that's not good for the country. if they go too far over there, it's going to be more difficult to govern than it truly is. he will join us tomorrow and wrote quote, the 2016 campaign can't be merely about winning but win income a way that makes the successful candidate successful president. until a bold new leader breaks the sickle of negative partisanship support for the two major party wills continue to bleed away, lesser of two evils, voters will dominate a sad electric and more americans will check out of the system all together. as i said, ron will be on. perry, seems like she made a decision, it will be announced this saturday, we're going to get the democratic base out, we'll get the northeast, we'll get the industrial midwest, the hurting, what do you call it, the rust belt. we'll work and give up in the south and give up on the boarder states basically and give up on the prairie states, give up on the rocky mountains and work our base. >> of course she's doing this. two things to note here. her president was so, her husband was so unifying he was impeached. think about 2014 where you saw clintons went over and over and over again to arkansas and kentucky. democrats are not voting in kentucky and arkansas in high numbers, hilary is doing the only -- >> okay. the time. now that you're really going here, i like this, train is moving here. if hilary is right to go to the left and work her base and get the electoral votes that way, what does that do to carry the congress again because according to the times in their lead about the two paragraphs down, they said this is not a broad strategy. take this, a broad strategy to grab the house. they might squeak the senate back but no 218 in the house, therefore no legislation, no tax changes, physical changes, policy changes, what kind of presidency is that? >> part of it depends on whether she's got some coat tails able to bring democrats -- >> this strategy be coat tails? >> it doesn't appear -- >> it might knock off kirk in illinois. >> right, on the face of it, it doesn't appear to have a lot of coat tails and you saw what happened in the mid terms, right, despite the best effort of other -- >> i wouldn't blame them. >> no, perry is right, she did campaign in a lot of places where it looked like a lost cause and was, she's likely by pursuing a fair amount of the obama strategy to have a version of the obama problem -- >> sure. >> can i say a couple things, first of all, the republicans right now don't sound to me like they are speaking to the whole country. they have tremendous demographic problems, why isn't somebody saying well if they want to govern the country, why aren't they reaching out more to minorities? why aren't they reaching out more on women's issues? why aren't they expanding the demographic base. part of the problem is the republican party is in danger of becoming a white people's party. let's be blunt about it and key republican strategists understand that and almost in the middle of the night trying to figure out how to he out of that. that's the republican's party. >> somebody must be right. both parties giving up -- >> yes, they are. that's exactly right. that's why turnout is down and the house is so hopelessly jerry bandered, you can't move the house one way or another. you just can't. it's not hilary's responsibility. >> to an extent, a lot of this is based on they don't think, neater party thinks there is center left. >> let me tell you, i'll let you finish but i've been talking to people and make one prediction, hilary is a favorite but i predict it will be another midnight. close and won't get results until maybe after midnight. the country is like this, just like that 50/50 so maybe that was hilary's calculations or people said let's live with the world we live in and fight with the army we got. >> two kinds of swing voters, one people who are democrats or republicans and people do that don't vote and maybe suedeed to vote if hilary campaigns. there is a way to turn minority women. >> you may want to take a bite as a completely straight reporter. is the it the right assessment to bring out the base, go left, don't try running to the center. is that smart based on the numbers you look at? >> by the numbers. >> perry. >> of course. >> is it smart to go to the center? >> if she takes on the more difficult issues from the left, namely, going after big banks and showing she has the guts to go after that part of the coalition and past. >> her money. >> her husband did it a generation ago from going to the right and she has the to have the guts to do it from the left. >> takes more guts to go after wall street. >> exactly. >> thank you, guys. you are smart. i think i might agree with you, we'll see. it matters. i think we're talking about last really matters, we'll talk about this a year from now. thank you. coming up, former house speaker dennis will be in court tomorrow for his arraignment. this is coming at him. he's got a new lawyer and tonight there are questions whether he set up his retirement to yield big money payouts immediately so he could make those payments to conceal his past misconduct. it's all coming together. plus, standing up to the war hawks, we'll meet a father that lost his son in afghanistan and taking on tom cotton, one of the senate's biggest hawks about the never ending push for war in the middle east. by the way, i called tom cotton baits motel. figure it out. two months away from the debate. republicans revving engines and the guy i predicted to be the front runner is going to be scott walker. finally, let me finish with the close relationship we saw in the little church on saturday. this is "hardball" the place for politics, . you know, in any job any profession image matters. i want some gray...but not too much. only touch of gray uses oxygen to gently blend away some gray but not all for that perfect salt and pepper look. satisfaction guaranteed. just you and the look you want. just for men touch of gray how do you get to the top of your game? 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>> well, it sounds like the movie rights are being prepared, thank you john yang outside the clinton correctional facility in new york. we'll be right back after this. heroes charge! ♪ ♪ (lightning strike) ♪ (kiss) ♪ lead your heroes in the hit mobile game download heroes charge now! welcome back to "hardball." dennis is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow on federal charges of lying to the fbi and we know the charges are in connection of haster's $1.7 million payout which according to federal officials was being made to conceal a relationship with his sexual nature with a male student as a teacher and coach. the former speaker tried to boost his income just before he made his first payments to the person known as individual a, according to e-mails obtained by "the new york times" he made an unusual request to a business associate to find a financial advisor to come up with a plan for an annuity for a cash pay out each year and not be told of his involvement, he wanted to do it anonymously. i'm joined with by former general counsel to house of representatives, he knows how to deal with public officials who get into trouble. let me ask you about this, one thing that bothered me about the case, the evil that's involved with child molestation, everybody knows that. that's what we agree on. what about the fbis handling of the case when they suggested the reason you were making these withdrawals below the $10,000 number is because you didn't trust the banking number. why would you script a guy to commit perjury? why would the fbi write the lines so the guy could dodge the truth? >> one of the disadvantages you have if you're investigated is they never put the whole transcript in or even a portion. we get a sentence fragment, the indictment says chris the agent wanted to confirm what he understood to say that so you don't trust the bank. well, what exactly did he say -- >> we don't know. we don't know whether he said i don't trust the banks initially. >> we know in the indictment the agent rephrased something he said. i see your point. who wouldn't want to see the questions before and the other followup. >> according to the indictment, the agents asked if distrusting of the banking system is his explanation for taking the money he did. specifically in response to the question confirming whether the purpose of with draw, john dennis haster said i kept the cash, that's what i'm doing. you got to defend people like this, not this guy, he apparently has a good rule, tom green, right. >> if the fbi ever shows up don't talk because this is what happened to martha stewart and this is what happened to roger clemens. >> do people know that? >> they don't know that. they think somebody shows one a badge, you're retired to talk to them. on the technical issues of false statements, there is 100 defenses including the fact that it's not criminal for him to suspect that the banks are unreliable. that's not a crime. this statute was written for drug smugglers, organized crime and not people unwillingly be approached by the fbi about why they with took money from the bang. >> who makes the decision, the this guy is a bad guy we'll get him the way we can get him. tax evasion wasn't his problem, he was a thug and a killer and a gangster. why did somebody at the fbi decide we'll get to him because of what he did to the boys when he was a coach. did somebody make those decisions? >> i think it's kind of the other way that even if the payments to the bank tipped off the investigators, maybe they knew about individual aid, that's the unnamed person who was molested. i think the issue for denny is that he's one of the most prominent political figures in america and i think you don't get the benefit of the doubt and you guys know this, lots of people withdraw cash and attempt to skirt the laws the that the federal authorities have a lot of that. they don't go after everybody. in this case his prominence worked against him. >> let me ask you about what does he face now? is he going to prison? because the statute of limitations on the initial crimes, felony os the abuse a kid. local relationship with the kids, an adult in position of authority. that passed because of the law. >> the statute is run on that. >> why didn't this guy sue him? >> i don't know. >> i don't know what he could have done. >> i thought part of this was a settlement of some kind. they reached an agreement and the agreement was to pay this guy off. these are federal felonies. these are crimes that generally would under the sentencing guidelines entail some incarceration. so this is very serious. what most people also don't understand is that probably 3/4ths of the convictions the government gets are over false statements. >> most people think about this, nobody wants to go to heavy security or medium security because a guy like him in a child molestation case wouldn't survive. so does he go where they lift weights and watch tv or go to real prison? >> don't know. that's up to the sentencer. >> would you cop the play if you were him? >> bringing up this stuff in the past is not going to be fun but the strength of this case, money laundering case, this is a very triable case from this standpoint. >> you think so? >> absolutely. the government loses these all the time, they just lost one in louisiana. >> how can you lose when it's on the record. >> if the sexual misconduct won't be part of it, right? it won't be. >> they keep that out of the jury? >> i don't know. certainly the glove would want to the use that but just on the contours of what has been charged, he's got defenses. >> yeah. well, if he had you, he'd have -- >> he's got a good lawyer. >> why does chicago have so many problems? >> water. >> five of the last seven governors, this. >> halfway house in ball more. >> rusty. >> you the got them. >> unbelievable. >> this is different, even for us. >> great to be a reporter. anyway, thank you lynn sweeney. terrible story. thank you, you're the guy people would go to. up next, taking on the war hawks, we'll meet a father that lost his son in afghanistan, he confronted tom cotton on the banging of drums for war and he did it personally because he has a personal reason. the this is "hardball" the place for politics. i would consider you probably the biggest hawk in washington, maybe lindsey gram, right? you would admit that, right? [ laughter ] >> i believe in strength and confidence. >> welcome back to "hardball." pennsylvania gold star father confronting tom cotton, his son austin died while serving in afghanistan and has other children, mr. boning does that served in the marines and air force and wants the war hawks to stop rhetoric and stop and think before sending more troops? >> when you hear you speak, all i hear is somebody knocking on my door again. when do we get to hang up the mission accomplished banner and when do i get my kids back again. >> cotton served for five years and opposed efforts to avoid war with iran and took hawkish positions on iran and the middle east, here he is. >> with the rise of a terrorist group and iran hitting weapons throughout the world if not only having our soldiers, sailors, airmens and marines face death on the front lines around the world but to have another mass casualty terrorist attack here the in the united states. >> joining me now is gold star father and anti war activist mr. boning. sorry for your loss. you lost your son over there. tell me what it was like to confront probably one of the biggest hawks in the senate? >> i hadn't planned on it, i caught adam kinsinger off guard and asked a question, simple question, how many days has it been since the last military casualty? the actual number at this point is 61 if you don't count the non-combat deaths that was two weeks ago, but someone shot and killed in action, that was 61 days ago and prior to that 116 days, which was the longest period of time since 9/11 and i just think that nobody is paying attention to the peace that we don't have our children dying every day. in 2012, i'm the morning guy on the radio on wlvr with james brax and peterson and i read every name since the beginning of the iraq or afghan war to now. i've read every single name and cried on air every day and i would do i at 7:00 in the morning in the drive time for my listeners and it's been awhile since we've had any so i haven't had to read any and it's nice because it would take a half an hour each day. >> why do you think we're still in afghanistan? >> i don't know, but i got a funny feeling either one of my sons will be there soon or he's training right now in fort carson, they are training right now but they are training desert. he's a crew chief on a black hawk. >> what do you think about rums field that ramrodded the whole war on iraq but told me george w. bush never asked if we should go to war with iraq. he comes out now and says we should have pushed for democracy, the whole idea was to put the sunni in power. these guys were totally 12 into this and pull age way. they were totally into it. >> yeah, they were but the thing that's going on now is that with them admitting that it was a bad idea, why would they want to do it again? that's my question is, you know, here we are. >> they still want to do it in syria and they want to go to war with iran, tom cotton is your number one guy going to war with iran, he and his partner bill crystal. >> they have a lot of nations around that have full militaries, the saudi have full military and jordans and turkey has 3,000 tanks and -- >> anyway, you say senator tom cotton had the three of isis here at home for the pot lit kill reasons. >> 7,000 miles away riding around in white pickup trucks is not coming here and cutting our heads off. >> the threat to the environment that we face here at home and throughout the west is graver, more grave today than any time in any of our lifetimes. >> this guy the baits motel, always like that. tony perkinson psycho. he's so hawkish. we got to fight right now for the world because they are coming to get us. >> if you go along further into the interview, my business partner from "the daily ripple" she at one hour and eight minutes asked another question and the question that she asked was what about africa and latin america? you seem to have all your interest on this and those places have the same thing. he didn't have an answer. up next, the fight for iowa is on. back to politics and after this weekend's roast and ride event out there, wisconsin governor scott walker looks like the candidate to be. he wants to go back in iraq for another war over there. did you believe that? you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. thank you, iowa. thank you. god bless all of you. make sure as these candidates come back through, you're giving them a very warm iowa welcome, thanks for the successful first inaugural event. >> well, there she is and welcome back to "hardball," that was iowa senator joni earns the t that hosted her cattle call of republican presidential candidates. a roast and ride as she called it. the fight for iowa has begun, i made it official it happened this week. here is more from the event on sad. >> that is what america is about, ladies and gentlemen. living freedom, riding free, being with a bunch of american heroes. >> and so i was thinking this morning, i really would be templed on that general election debate stage to ask hilary if she has ever ridden on a john deere tractor. >> to hillary clinton, your definition of flat broke of mine is different. anybody that thinks they are flat broke lost their way. >> if you want to nominate somebody in the republican party that face, fought and won against the clinton political machine, you're looking at the one guy that's done that and lived to tell about it. >> i love a senator who knows how to castrate a pig, ride a hog, and cut the pork from washington d.c. now wouldn't it be nice to give her an ally in the white house to help get the job done? >> well, political calls, wisconsin governor scott walker the man you saw, the man stole the show this weekend and breaking away from the pact of republican hopefuls. a proud harley davidson owner rode the 39 mile stretch through central iowa and several hundred other bikers, there they are. "the new york times" wrote on saturday, walker enjoys the lead up about 17 to other people down around 10 thanks to an unflashy style and midwestern unsensibility and a swath of republicans. the latest des moines register poll has walker up by seven over his nearest rival ran paul, joining me are real pros, robert costa, sabrina and jim. i want you-all to, i believe, the benefit for iowa has begun and will be won by a midwestern and that midwesterner's name is scott walker. he's a real executive. he has a manner which is quiet but he was the guy that beat ed schultz and labor guys and knows how to fight but wins in a midwestern way. he's not a big talker like chris christ tee and not an east coast guy and i look at him with the the hat and chopper, the hog he's riding, the hog rider. >> he spends part of his childhood in iowa and his father lou walker baptist preacher goes around the country talking about his fifth. he connects with iowaens. >> he benefit s as the governor of the neighboring state and talked about early years spent in iowa and good at retail politics and does i. running rift about discount shopping at kohl's and the crowd loves it, that's the stuff they can connect with. >> those states are both bordering with illinois, right? let's get a geography lesson, bordering? >> nearby. bordering may not have been the right word. >> walker's big advantage he has so much with the republican party. >> explain that, jamal. >> he's a small government tax cutting anti union guy. he's not just anti union, just talk about it. >> now he's taking on professors, too. >> now he's against -- >> that's always a smart move. >> professors and students, and he can show iowa voters he has beaten them. he hasn't just talked about and it danced around it, he's beaten these people on the other side. >> i think ed schultz is probably didn't intend it but probably in a weird way gave him a boom rang opportunity, right? he tried to recall him and didn't work and comes back and he's there. >> not just two. >> he's always talking about the giper and they like his political curve and see as someone that battled the union. >> i think there are four guys in the race, all guys, bush somewhere maybe might win this as he's supposed to but he's a sleeper at this point, you've got walker now, marco rubio and i think somewhere out there rick perry, belive it or not because i think rick perry is very likable. here is casey asking marco rubio who participated about his own experiences with motorcycles. let's watch this. >> so have you ever driven a motorcycle? >> i haven't. i've never been on a motorcycle. i'm more of a water sport person. my mom was terrified of motorcycles as a little kid, she used to traumatize them. >> that is a -- >> not in iowa. >> a midwestern express from iowa. >> there is no when you're in iowa but i will say there is a lot of room for him but i think one thing that happened. >> did you like that performance. >> that's too traumatizing. >> my mom thinks driving for me now, i think that marco rubio, the more primary voters, he made a big appeal he's the jfk of the republican party. >> i knew jfk. just kidding. >> he made the point and adopted the new frontier with new american century and early 40s. >> did he fight in world war ii? did he save his crew? >> this is his campaign. >> what is his connection to the john f. kennedy. >> primary voters and i think it's more and dynasties and making a pitch. >> and young voters, pulled particularly well. >> he's young that makes him john f kennedy. >> i think it's so problem with the generational argument, bush or walker or perry, we just elected a guy as a first term senator. >> how come republicans can't sight see that? >> he's bringing the jfk contrast because he's not trying to be compared to barack obama. >> rubio -- >> dane try that once. rubio beyond his generational talk and talk of vigar walked away from his stuff on immigration and centered himself with the conservatives and so if you're scott walker, you see rubio not bush as your main threat. >> he has establishment and support and that combination is key and they have that going for them. >> eight years from now, it would be a worse presidential candidate than he is today. this argument about age is weird. the round table is staying with us and up next, the deep bond between president obama and vice president biden we saw this week on display this weekend as i said at the funeral for the vice president's son beau and this is "hardball" a place for politics. 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that passes on the values of what it means to be a true citizen. that passes on the values of what it means to give back fully and freely without expecting anything in return. biden clan. we're honorary members now, and the biden family rules apply we're always here for you. we always will be. my word as a biden. >> you know it amazed me being up there in the church and did not get to see a lot of it. the neighborhood feel of the whole thing. >> it comes back to joe bidens roots. it comes from the background and it was a powerful moment to see him up there. it was the untold story and the close relationship between the two. the bidens have been out there for the president and working congress for them and saw the personal bond for them and it's unique. >> i think that they love the gaps and miss the big story. i understand why we all do. it does not capture this bond. i once interviewed in the very beginning and there's a lot of working together. >> i think that the way that the nation has been moved by beau passing speaks to the affectiveness of joe biden. he is extremely heart felt and the wisdom he has spoken when he dealt with grief with the loss of his wife and infant daughter. the way that you saw the out pouring support for joe and his family speaks to what separates him from the run of the politicians that we were here in washington. >> joe biden is just a remarkably guy. it does not seem like he is putting on the air. in a time like this, people connect to that and see that they can see he is a man that's hurting right now and not just someone trying to get the vote. >> i don't think that anybody knows what it's like to lose a child and you do not get out of it. the president talked about what made beau different than other politicians? >> anyone can make a name for themselves in this reality tv age especially in today's politics if you're loud enough, you can get some attention. to make that name mean something. to have it associated with dignity and integrity that is rare. >> robert he wrote it himself. >> he did. when you speak to democrats about the obama relationship and biden you hear that he is part father and brother to the president. he plays both roles on the circumstance. he sees that he is a writer at heart. >> he is a loan er too. >> he respects people that connect with him on a deep level and endure with him. that came through with a line. >> your thoughts with snus. >> that's basically nothing to add to that. it was a very lovely and wonderful eulogy. it think that it speaks to to them and the ability to communicate and that exact feeling to a national audience and without losing the personal and intimate that's available if in that. >> we do not see that in public. that's what the president said. we will have more thoughts on this in a minute. >> thank you so much. it's been a greet trio. we will be right back after this. roes charge! ♪ ♪ (explosion) ♪ hah! (explosion) ♪ lead your heroes in the hit mobile game download heroes charge now! let me finish tonight with something about the revelation this saturday. kathleen and i were back in the church when president obama made the remarkable affection of love for the vice president and his family. if you think that this is norm in american politics these day, love is not the word that you hear. it's not familiar to those of us that cover the political word. is it the world around you when you get into politics as so many of you do. if this is goo wee for you, attention need to be paid to the close attention that we saw in the italian church on saturday and what was revealed of knowing the affection for the vice president of the united states and expressed it and did it to the son and not just because of the tragedy. i love stories and yes i got a thrill from those earlier spaces of barack obama. nothing in that was as human as this weekend. good for them that people that work together day after day with mistakes and gaps have found in their work and struggle at the top. the most sub lime of human emotions and basics. there was a nice neighborhood up there when that funeral took place. they could have been just two guys from the same block that shared the joins and pains and punishments of life together like good human beings. don't you think? that's hard ball for now. thanks for being with us and all in with chris starts now. good evening from new york. coming up in just a moment. my interview with a teenage girl that was detained at what is become the most infamous pool party in america. one of the offer a decade long detective is now on paid administrative leave after cell phone video emerged after teens attending the party on friday. the video has been viewed over 6 million times. now, according to the mckinney police department they were responded to a call at the disturbance at the greg ranch pool near dallas involving juveniles that did not live in the area or have permission to be there and revised the leave. the juveniles were actively fighting and we don't know what lead to that fight or what

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