her kidnapper. >> for me, it's holding on to hatred that will control your life. if you hold on to it, you're going to condemn your life to hell, and i choose to forgive that person for all the wrongdoing that they have done to me. >> physical courage and spiritual courage, both triumphs of the human spirit. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. we have nothing to fear but ebola itself. this is "hardball." ♪ ♪ >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. is fear contagious? a teacher in maine gets sent home for three weeks because she dared fly to an educational convention in dallas. in mississippi, scared parents
yank their children from school after hearing that the principal had traveled to zambia in sub sahara, africa, thousands of miles away from the infected area. this is the fear stalking the elections two weeks from now. >> senator hagan has failed the people of north carolina and the nation by not securing our border. ladies and gentlemen, we have an ebola outbreak. until the cdc can convince me that we are able to intervene with anyone who represents a threat to the safety and security of this country, then we've got to prevent them from traveling here. >> i think we ought to have an immediate travel ban from the affected travel areas going into affect now. not tomorrow, but now. >> the ebola epidemic, along with isis shows you how we should really secure the border and not be granted amnesty. >> i think it's naive to think that people won't be walking through here who have those types of diseases, or other types of intent, criminal or terrorist, and yet we do nothing to secure our border. it's dangerous. >> people walking through here.
the southern border. these are all misconnects, disconnects, but they all play on fear. also tonight, it appears that only an african vote can save the democratic control of the senate in two weeks. can they deliver on election day? can the group long looked upon as the democrats infantry now be counted on to be the cavalry? first to the ebola danger. it's become the republicans' number one weapon of choice. editorial director of the huffington post and also columnist for "the washington post." both are msnbc political analysts. howard, this use of fear, it reminds me almost of the cold war. there really were communists over there, but the fact is, i guess there were some here, but the fact of the matter, this use of fear here, one victim in the united states. they somehow tie it together with, what was scott brown tying it together with? people walking around here,
people crossing the border, isis, tying it all together into one big fat package of, my god, the world's coming to an end, we need a new party to run the thing. it's a strange thing. >> it's strinange, but familiarn american political history. the analogy to the red scare is enough on point. there's just enough of a grain of truth in it all to allow the republicans to run wild. they've always, at least certainly since the '60s, run on at tthe idea of the other, the stranger, the outsider, the person that's unnamed that you should fear. it started with the immigration from the south, legal and otherwise. that didn't fly with the american people or the republican party, because the republican party is divided on it. then they moved after the beheadings to isis, the great fear, even though that's in syria and not in the united
states. and now, of course, ebola. you put all three of them together, and fear, raw emotion, can, if allowed to be unanswered and unchecked, overrule the rational mind in american politics. and it's the challenge of the president and the democrats in the last two weeks here, two and a half weeks, to say, look, the republicans have nothing to run on but fear. they have no program. they have only irrational fear. we have the answers. we have the way forward. and that's really going to frame these last two and a half weeks until the senate is decided, if it's decided on november 4th. >> what is the connection between the rio grand river and the atlantic ocean? [ laughter ] people are reasonably concerned about a rush of immigrants. any country would be. a rush of unregulated immigration. but how do they connect that with a few people, or this one person that came into the country that they know of from west africa who lied to get
here. but how do they connect, scott brown talking about people walking through new hampshire. where are they coming from? >> nobody is going to get ebola, walk across the texas border and walk to new hampshire. that's never, ever going to happen. and so -- but howard is right upon. it's the atmospherics, it's creating this sense of doom and foreboding and chaos. so the particulars, if you look at them, they don't parse. right? they don't actually make sense as discrete things you ought to be scared of. but they're trying to create the atmosphere that you ought to be scared of it all and you ought to be dissatisfied with whatever the democrats are doing or not doing to protect us from this sort of -- >> does anyone think the republicans would be more active in west africa in development and health standards? does anybody believe they would
have been over there working to prevent that? >> no. a lot of republicans are still saying stop the flights, unaware that there are no flights. there are no flights from the affected countries directly to the united states. none. stop the flights from europe. >> the fear factor will play a role in this. we're looking at thom tillis hyping it up. in a new poll, 2/3 of likely voters in swing states feel the u.s. has lost control of major challenges. one reason could be the chorus from big names on the right saying the administration can't be trusted to handle ebola. watch this chorus. >> if you were president and nih, or the cdc, were saying, hey, this will only make it worse, a travel ban, a flight ban will only make it worse. what we have in place is better. you would overrule the doctors and the experts? >> candy, the doctors and the experts that are saying this are working for the administration and repeating the administration
talking points. and their arguments don't make sense. >> look, this administration couldn't run the irs run. it apparently is not running the cdc right. and you ask yourself, what is it going to take to have a president who really focuses on the interests of the american people. >> i'm feeling a little sick myself. but it's not ebola. i'm sick of a government that i'm paying for telling me not to worry. i wish i could trust them. but if they repeatedly lie to me, i just can't trust them anymore. >> the malice in these comments, the people who spent their life fighting diseases. that's what they do, they're not political. accusing them of being flax for obama is dishonest. unless you have a screw loose. that guy makes me think he does. where does he get the idea that these guys are flacking. i don't even know what their party labels are.
what is this about, that they would blame the president for writing the scripts of doctors? how would he know what to put in the scripts and what would be his motivation for playing down the danger? what does it mean to keep saying politically correct? what do they mean by that? >> two points. first of all, the republicans here, if you listen to what they're saying, they're actually advocating for more of a government role. they may not like what the president is doing, but they want government activism here, to which many democrats would say, how dare you! you've been tearing down the authority and the reach of government both here and understand roo the world for decades. now you want the government to be an activist government. that's the first point. the second point is, ted cruz, in his comments there about administration talking points about science, is the perfect example of the intellectual bankruptcy of parts of the republican party that dismiss the idea of science. they dismiss the idea of accepted facts. they live in their own world.
they think the left lives in its own world. and never the two shall meet. so even science has been ripped apart. in science, in consensus on experimentally verified scientific facts, the whole thinking of the last 300 years has been thrown out the window by republicans in this case. >> there anybody that doesn't know they're loving this? >> no. >> they're loving this. let me read this. scott brown, i don't know the guy at all. but look at this. i think it's naive to think that people aren't going to be walking through here -- >> walking through here, through new hampshire. >> listen to this. walking through here, who have those types of diseases. there's only one we're talking about here. those types of diseases and/or other types of intent, criminal or terrorist. so be on the lookout for the boogie man. he's coming through here.
maybe typhoid mary with ebola. and isis is covered. so the whole thing, shut down this country. they're coming. >> it's this sort of an umbrella designation, you should be afraid of everything. bad people are coming to get you. and the democrats are going to allow it. >> this is the music man. it's river city, oh, we got trouble. but they should tell us, i think a reasonable person can debate this. >> it is debatable. tony fauchy said today, you can disagree. we can discuss whether there should be a travel ban in our professional opinion, there shouldn't be one. >> and they're getting that -- [ all speak at once ] >> can i mention race here? >> you may. >> let's put the cards on the table here. >> you mean the word africa? >> no. the brown people coming from the
south, the arab people coming from the east, the black people coming from africa, nobody's saying that in so many words. nobody's saying it at all. but it's in the background of this whole discussion, and anybody who would deny that doesn't know how this country operates. it's not the only way this country operates. we're bigger than that in the end, but that's definitely a sub text of a lot of what's going on here. there's no question about it. and i'll say it if other people won't. >> it is the arrival of them. african americans have been here before we got here. [ laughter ] >> there is that. >> or the may flower. howard is right. diseased africans, you know, we have to keep them out. and these murderous arabs, and these, you know, these brown central americans, we have to keep -- you know. >> the people who come walking
through here with those kinds of diseases -- >> we don't want them walking through here. >> in the past few days, we've seen a couple of examples that verge into the latter, hysteria. let's watch. >> officials on wednesday sent this letter home to parents of students who attend school where the suspended staff member teaches school. she traveled to dallas representing maine at a conference. >> parent voice their fears that the teacher could have been infected by the deadly virus. following the meeting, the teacher took a 21-day leave of absence. >> there was a real sense of panic outside of hazel hurst middle school. the principal just returned from his brother's funeral in zambia, far from the ebola hot spot countries, on the other side of africa. >> that's about 2,500 miles, we
did the math today. >> a long, long way. this is hysteria and i think we got troubles in river city. you know why they're doing it, because there's an election in two weeks. that's it. this isn't a reasonable discussion of good public health. it's an attempt to scare people into the voting booth to vote r. thank you both. coming up, black power. i use that loosely. the democrats only hope to withhold the senate is to have an extraordinary turn-out of african americans. can they deliver on election day? the infantry is being asked to be the cavalry this time, save the day. this is "hardball," the place for politics. their manufacturig process with sticky notes and string, yeah, they were a little bit skeptical. what they do actually is rocket science. high tech components for aircraft and fighter jets.
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>> welcome back to "hardball," where the only chance for democrats to keep control of the u.s. senate, it has been said, is an extraordinary turn-out by african american voters. a report in the "new york times" headlined, black vote seen as last hope for democrats to hold senator. reveals the contents of a private memo that put it in stark terms. it predicts crushing democratic losses across the country if the party does not do more to get black voters to the poll. on top of that, key senate races, neck and neck, new voting restrictions will make it harder for minorities to vote, especially older people.
in north carolina, where senator kay hagan is fending off thom tillis, voters have to contend with reduced early voting. same thing in georgia where it's tied right now. some of the closest governors' races it's the incumbent governors who have signed the voting restrictions in the law because it helps them. in wisconsin, no more early voting on weekends. signed by governor scott walker, who is the fight of his life against mary burke. in florida, reduces voting by rick scott who i don't like too much, who is fighting off a challenge from charlie crist. again, in georgia, where early voting days have been cut in half, nathan diehl is in a fight to the finish with democrat jason carter. campaigning yesterday in chicago for governor pat quinn, president obama himself made his
case. >> starting tomorrow, you can vote too. you've got to grab your friends, grab your co-workers. don't just get the folks who you know are going to vote. you got to grab cousin pooky who is sitting on the couch right now watching football, hadn't voted in the last five elections. you've got to grab him and tell him to go vote. >> joining me now is former san francisco mayor willie brown, he's no uncle pooky, i don't think. he's an active fellow and donna edwards of maryland. me, a white guy, only learned that phrase today. uncle pooky is a phrase for the old guy who doesn't show up, has a drink now and then, enjoys life, not active. what do you think the president was up to saying reach out to
that guy and get him to the polls? >> i think he was trying to say exactly what needs to be done. i'm pleased that he's doing it. he should have been doing it over the last month. although many democratic candidates running this time, don't want to be near barack obama. that guy is a winner in black neighborhoods. he won the presidency on the backs of blacks in this country because they turned out in numbers far superior to anything they've ever done in any election. if he does that again, the u.s. senate will stay in the hands of democrats. >> you know, for years, people who worked for the kennedys have tried to get elected to office and they have failed. but the kennedys get elected. can he project obama the person and the magnet, to other people? can he do what doesn't often get done? project your influence to someone else? >> yes, he can. he can make it a race issue. it can be just as if it was
martin luther king jr saying vote, rosa parks saying vote, malcolm saying vote. he can do what needs to be done in order to motivate african americans to go vote. and if you couple that with a huge infusion of money. if you couple that with a huge infusion of voter registration effort. if you get all the faith-based african american churches in this country to do the same thing, you will be saying barack obama's legacy depends upon your vote, go do it, and it will be done. >> congresswoman, what we need is apparently to win this battle, to win for the democrats, you need charisma from the president, somehow, injected down to the other democrats, you need street money and voter identification and a good polling operation. that's a lot to put together. >> it is. but what the president is doing, in illinois and places like
maryland, he actually projects that message on a national level. and it gets across, even to the districts in iowa, in southern illinois, and other places where we have strong african american population, and we need them to turn out in the 90% rates that they did for the president. and so i think that's what he's shooting for here. and it's never too late to call on voters to vote. and the fact is, in 2012, even with all the voting restrictions out there, african americans showed up in record numbers. and so, i think people are prepared to vote, if they hear the message from the president and he doesn't have to be in kentucky for kentucky voters to hear that message. >> you know, party leadership really matters. >> it does. >> you'd be a great leader. let me tell you someone who say terrible leader. ranks priebus. the republican effort is trying to suppress the vote. may admit it in pennsylvania, what they're doing, this is a
pronounced declarative effort by a white minority party to continue its power in this country against a growing brownie of a population, through underhanded tactics that are equivalent to jim crow tactics, all the tricks of a poll tax, the stuff you grew up in texas -- why am i telling you this? but it's so blatant they the way do it. priebus could make a statement in the next ten minutes and say, no more of this crap. but he won't do it because he knows there's votes in it. they can stay on a few more decades if they cheat. your thoughts? >> let me tell you, chris, they are clearly, firmly in the camp of being against affordable health care. they're against minimum wage. they're against immigration policies. they're against quality education for every kid. they literally are living in the backward times. and under every circumstances, they want to maintain that. let me tell you, if voters turn
out in georgia on the black side, in north carolina, on the black side, for maryla landrieu if they turn out brown will win the governorship. that's known by republicans. they've done the testing, and they will do everything they can to make sure the only people that show up to vote are white folk that think like them. they don't want anybody else. >> did you hear howard a couple minutes ago, howard finman? he said there's an undercurrent here. beware the west africans, beware the mexicans -- >> except that it's not an undercurrent. it's an over-current. >> president obama tolls reverend al sharpton about the importance of voter turn-out in the midterms. let's listen to the president. >> we can't afford to be sitting at home, thinking that the mid terms don't matter. because i have two years left in
my presidency, and i want to make every single one of them count, and i need a partner in congress. and the truth is, in most of these states, in most of these congressional districts, if we have high turn-out, we win. when we have low turn-out, we lose. simple as that. so what i need everybody to do, is just go out there and vote. >> give me the stats, how does it look right now? >> i think we've done all the things we need to do. we've raised the money. we have the candidates. we have the message. we have to get the turn-out. we have an operation on the ground. we've registered more voters this time. we've never had voter registration out of our party operations and we've done that this year too. but the president is right, people have to vote, and they can't let potential barriers get up in the way. show up and vote for their children, grandchildren, for their future. >> i'm voting on sunday after church.
>> i'll be in new york covering election night. thank you for being here. >> and i've already voted! >> what a man. thank you, sir. and u.s. congresswoman donna edwards of maryland. up next, a democrat accused of taking money from a loan shark. how do they dig this stuff up? anyway, this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ narrator ] mama sherman and the legion of super fans. wow! [ narrator ] on a mission to get richard to his campbell's chunky soup. it's new chunky beer-n-cheese with beef and bacon soup.
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hear the entire thing. no, no! >> next up, you know senator mark udall is in a tough fight for re-election in colorado. didn't help himself this weekend when he had trouble answering this question from a local news anchor. >> name three of the most influential books in your life and the last song you listened to. >> oh, wow. that's tough. because they're so, the three most influential books in my life. "profiles in courage." um, the -- let me think. we can play this over, right. let me retape this. >> let's go back to, what about music? what's the last song you listened to? >> i'm brain dead today. >> well, they believed that. needless to say, it's hardly a gotcha question. it shows the importance of spontaneity in politics, doesn't it? finally, a new attack ad
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i'm page hopkins. here's what's happening. the cdc has issued new guidelines for health care workers treating ebola patients. they must now be trained in the use of personal protective equipment, leaving no skin exposed. and a supervisor must oversee the proper use of the equipment. the guidelines were issued after two nurses became sick after treating an ebola patient in dallas. and an american doctor infected with the virus while working in sierra leone has been discharged from emory university in atlanta. the patient has asked to remain anonymous.
now we'll take you back to "hardball." ♪ ♪ welcome back to "hardball." ebola, terrorism, and presidential management, fear and anxiety hits the campaign trail. can the black votes save democrats? can they be the cavalry? and buyers' remorse dominating the field for 2016. mitt romney, having done nothing cool, has a double-digit lead. what's changed? he hasn't changed. obama's gotten in trouble. the round table tonight. let's start right now. you know, the reason why everything matters in elections now, is that anything can matter. these votes are 44-44. even scott brown is within three points and he's doing the we got trouble in river city, mexicans,
arabs, scare scare scare. might shake loose three or four points. >> that's what it's about, the ebola scare. we thought there would be an october surprise. isis came a little too early for that, but ebola had the perfect timing. i think there's nothing that mobilizes voters -- >> who rolled out ebola? who rolled it out? >> and democrats have struggled to talk about this. they were really slow to grasp that this was going to be a problem that voters were going to try to the president, that republicans were going capitalize on. for a week, you didn't see democratic senate candidates talking about it and now they're getting hit for changing their position. >> tell me this. try to imitate a democrat explaining the case against a ban on west african travel? >> a case against it? >> yeah. >> well, they're all over the place. we think it should be part of a broader policy, but we're not totally sure. it's really hard to explain. a travel ban seems like common sense to a lot of voters.
say, why should we let sick people into our country, making that public health, day-to-day management argument for this much more difficult. >> build a wall, do the ban. i'm come to the conversation the conservative argument is clear, sharper and shorter. >> it's dema gogic. it's playing on people's fear. anyone who knows anything about emdemmics and pandemics say that this is not a good idea. so you have people like thom tillis, scott braown, saying we know better than the experts. and ted cruz saying, they're just saying that to protect obama. there have been three cases of ebola -- >> one came in as an import. because the guy lied. >> someone said kim kardashian has had more -- >> your point being?
[ all speak at once ] >> republicans said nothing in this election. [ all speak at once ] >> what a talk about here, what happens if you're kay hagan? neck and neck, but about two or three points ahead. this thing comes along, and the other guy says slam the border shut. >> it's playing into voters' fear and anxietanxiety. democrats are trying to cast this as maybe voters don't want to change mid stream. in the midst of a crisis, you don't want to change your leadership. >> don't want to change your senator? >> republicans can basically -- they're arguing against whatever the president is doing, or whatever the federal government is going. if he institutes a travel ban, he didn't do to soon enough, or should have done it more broadly. we need a czar. now we don't like the czar. no matter what the government
does, you hate it and you can play to the voters. >> wanda sykes last night was very funny. she said she sneezed a couple times on the plane. she said i'm going back to being just black. i don't like the word african american now, because you don't want to say african anymore. i read a piece that said the only way the democrats keep the senate is if the african vote comes on like the cavalry, wow, like there's never been a vote like this in history. they want it to be up to the level it was in 2012 when you had an african american candidate for president, history being made again. people being whipped, told you can't vote. all the positive ways of getting person to vote, have pride in your vote, and two, you can't vote. you vote, right? >> exactly. that's one of the things democrats are doing. that's why we're seeing the president campaigning in some battleground states. black voters when you look at them, the way they poll, they're still intensely loyal to the president of the united states.
if they can frame it, as the president of the united states needs to show up for his legacy, for him to continue accomplishing what he's accomplishing, that's their hope. the poll from earlier this year, found 67% of democratic base voters, blacks, hispanics, young women, said they didn't know there was an election this year. that doesn't make you optimistic. >> what about the attempt to intimidate them out of voting? >> that's happening in texas, north carolina, georgia. when you do that, people get ticked off and it motivates them. but the question is, as he just indicated, they're so distant from this election that they may not even know that they're not being allowed to vote. and then you have candidates in some key states who are trying to -- democratic candidates, who are trying to distance themselves from barack obama. alison grimes, kay hagan. and so it's hard to have a two-level strategy. >> it's been a problem all the way. how do you motivate and get out the obama coalition, while also
not alienating. they're going to need rural white voters also, to put that coalition together. >> let's talk about the republican party for some relief here. not comic relief. but mitt romney who was cold toast about a year ago, is now mr. cool. he's getting 21% opposed to jeb bush and other candidates at 11%. then come the conservatives huckabee at nine and rand paul at nine. christie, rubio, and perry of course and carson. carson and paul ryan around lower single digits. i'm thinking, my theory is, i'll just test it. mitt romney is the guy you didn't vote for when you voted for obama. he was the alternative. through some interesting logic in the head of an average person, oh, i now got a chance to say in a poll, i made a mistake, i should vote for him. so he wins now because he's the guy that ran against obama. i don't know if he's the
alternative to hillary clinton when the time comes, but right now -- >> it's either that. when you break up with somebody, your ex looks better in the rearview mirror than when -- [ laughter ] >> i think 21% is not a good number for mitt romney. everybody knows who he is. what you're saying, 4 out of 5 republicans don't want the last guy who ran, who is now seen as the leader of their party. >> he wasn't near 21 a year ago. >> but now everyone knows who he is. >> why is it growing? can you ever say a good word about a republican? >> you want me to? >> he's going up, stating the obvious. >> i'd rather be paul ryan at this stage of the game, than mitt romney. >> some of the problems, what romney ran on, are some of the things we're facing. public health, it's part lever management crisis. romney ran as -- >> [ all speak at once ]
i think if he ran as the guy he was, he would have been a hell of a candidate. but he never did. >> yeah. >> and that was the problem. you got to be who you are. anyway, even if you're not that great. the round table is coming back, we'll talk about an uproar in new york city tonight about the death of cling hover. i think it's in your face offer for jewish people. it's a fascinating thing where theater and literary freedom, if you will, clashes with history. anyway, this is "hardball," the place for politics. revolutionizing an industry can be a tough act to follow,
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it's within the margin of error in the senate race in new hampshire. a state democrats need to win to keep control. let's check the scoreboard. according to a new poll, democrat jeanne shaheen has a three-point lead over scott brown. 49-46. shaheen's nearly the 50% marker, but brown is still close. we'll be right back.
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george pataki and two others are leading a movement to set new york ablaze. the production is called it's of a tis abled owner, at the hands of four members of the palestine liberation front that hijacked this cruise ship, shot in his wheelchair and then thrown overboard. some claim the production is anti-semitic, others object to a moral equivalency. the antidefamation link put out this scathing statement. black blank. >> they go onto criticize the opera's disingenuous and dangerous juxtaposition of the plight of a american jew. its rationalalization of terrorism and false provide no
thoughtful manslaughter or insight. >> well, you know, they said originally that it wasn't antisell mitic, which other people are claiming. it comes close. that's a very harsh criticism. as the "new york times" pointed out, most critics that have seen this opera, it's been performed fr the last ten years or so, it's nothing new, have identi identified klingh, ffer as a vis against political terrorism, whether it causes justified or not. they are saying critics who have seen this in the near times, that it's the opposite message. so it brings you the bottom line here is, who's right, who's wrong. maybe we leave it up to the audiences. >> is this -- is this a dispute -- i'm not jewish -- but is this a dispute in the jewish community where some people are more hardlined? tougher? or want any celebration of all which is what they seem to give some respect to apart from the
heart of this crime. >> i don't know why you're looking at me as the jewish expert on the panel. >> we're whipping around, right? >> i think within any community, you have those types of splits. any time you're talking about acts of terrorism or people who have been previously persecuted or subt to some type of mall streetment, you see this type of split in terms of how those things are portrayed. but, look, i think it's hard any time to disz cuss a piece of art, or literature without having seen it. have you sat through this opera yet? do you know what's going on? >> i've seen it indemic to new york. most of us consider disgusting art defended as art, right? people like jewel julia knee criticize that. . does anybody think because there's a legitimate plight of the palestinian people, which
most of us recognize there is. they've been left with very little land left with all the new housing developments. they're getting squeezed, and squeezed and squeezed. >> anybody who's involved in this production and watches it probably would say no. and that's been the message. >> is that the mes arrange of the opera, though? >> critics have been watching this the last few years. that na is the message of this opera and it doesn't justify the ends. it doesn't glorify. but other critics, maybe the fuel that have ax which youly seen it, have a different view. >> obviously, there's some objections. we can argue whether those jexzs are justified or not guilty. kbu that that mean that the show shouldn't go on? >> or it shouldn't. >> >> i think that everybody has to decide that for themselves. that's what a lot of those critics are wrestling with. they didn't duoso fash as to say -- >> whabt the protesters? do they want to shut down or just protest what they see?
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let me finish tonight with jay leno. the hardest thing in the world is to quit doing something you love to do. and that's what jay leno had to do last year and he's made the best of it. he's out there doing live performances. and knowing his work ethic and professionalism, he's giving those all yernss niegtsds to remember. there were things said about jay last night that run true with me personally. what a nice guy the guy is personally. every guest on the show knows that and said that last night. he visits you in your dressing room before you go on. and then he hacks out with you for a while and gets you comfortedble with what's happening. and then he comes to you after the show and thanks you
personally. anyway, i have a special night i want to show you when the great chelsea handler was teasing me for talking too fast one night. she's not the first person to do that, but for some reason, i decided to respond in kind. here's how jay leno leapt to my defense. >> 37 years ago and i found there was 220,000 miles of oil pipeline in this country and they've got one guy looking out. >> could you talk faster, please? [ laughter ] >> you know, my dear, you're beautiful. but if you concentrate, you can keep up. >> oh! [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> yeah! >> yeah! thank you. i should have done that five years ago. yes! thank you, chris! thank you! [ laughter ] >> i'm not taking it anymore from her. thank you, chris.

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