0 jim, thank you for -- what do you make of this? where are we at on this case? because the whole question has been were they still on the loose? still out for more bombing? still terrorists? still active at the time the one was picked up in bad condition? that, of course, would then allow the authorities to question them all they wanted before giving them miranda rights. >> right, chris. i mean, exactly. i've been giving people miranda for almost four decades. it doesn't make them all shut up. but there was a public safety exception here and the agents used it for two days. but really what happened is the united states magistrate or judge showed up at the hospital and with him was assistant attorney. in miranda when we say you have the right to remain silent. this was an initial appearance in the federal court system. so here's, i'm going to appoint you a lawyer and here's the lawyer standing next to me. so it's more than miranda. it's miranda, you don't have to talk, if you can't afford a lawyer, i'll give you one. he can't afford a lawyer, here's a lawyer. he's not going to talk after he has a lawyer. the lawyer is going to advise him not to. that's a miranda issue. as far as what pete says, he's this politician here. let me show you. mike rogers told andrea mitchell this afternoon, he's hearing the interrogation of dzhokhar tsarnaev was still going on when the court mirandized him and may have shut him up. here's this knock, really, on the way this case was handled by the obama administration. mike rogers. >> we can't have in a case like this the judiciary diseasing because it's on tv and might look bad for them to allow the public safety exemption deemed legal by the united states court, they were going to intervene in this, it's confusing, horrible, god-awful, and we have to get to the got tom of this. >> do you agree, james cavanaugh, the argument by the congressman, chairman of the committee makes the case, look, if this guy is a dangerous fugitive, we pick him up, he's in the process of committing crimes, we he's a danger to the community. we interview him until we get all we can from them and get around to mirandizing him, we don't exactly know. i mean, u.s. attorney's office could have asked judge to go. we don't have those facts. miranda doesn't always shut people up. they can still waive the right. he can still talk, too, because his lawyer can allow him to talk for some deal. so it can still happen. >> boy, this is getting murky. it's as simple as i can put it is the fact we had an investigation, interrogation under way. out of nowhere comes a federal judge with a lawyer and apparently stopped the interview, stopped the interrogation, stopped the information gathering. we'll see who had the right to do this, if they still have the right after this is looked at by the other courts. thank you, jim cavanaugh. coming up, what an amazing day it was in dallas today as five living presidents were together to dedicate the george w. bush presidential library. it's right here behind me, by the way. and leave it to former first lady barbara bush to make the biggest news. she says her son, jeb, shouldn't run for president saying we've had enough bushes. whoa, mom, you're taking over this thing. and later, syria. u.s. intelligence says the syrian regime used chemical weapons. something president obama said would be a game changer. now the hawks are clambering for action over there. but the white house wants more time to get the facts straight before acting. finally, let me finish with a day where partisanship took a back seat to pleasantries. and this is "hardball." the place for politics. but i wondered what a customer thought? hi nia... nice to meet you nia, i'm mike. what do you drive? i have a ford explorer, i love my car. and you're treating it well? yes i am. there are a lot of places you could take your explorer for service, why do you bring it back to the ford dealership? they specifically work on fords. it seems to me like the best care. and it's equal or less money, so it's a value for me. get a free brake inspection and brake pads installed for just 49.95 after rebates when you use the ford service credit card. who doesn't enjoy value?