As that social distancing and mask wearing were meaningless and would not have changed the course of the virus in several hard hit areas. And he advocated allowing infections to spread naturally among most of the population. While protecting the most vulnerable and those in Nursing Homes until the u. S. Reaches herd immunity, which experts say would cause excess deaths according to three current and former Senior Administration officials. Atlas also has the distinction of being at the helm of the white house itself becoming ground zero for a super spreader event that claimed among its nearly three dozen victims the president , the first lady and their son as well as many of the president s senior political and west wing advisers. The governments top pandemic expert wasnt surprised. Were you surprised that President Trump for the sigot s . Absolutely not. I was worried that he was going to get sick when i saw him in a completely precarious situation of crowded no separation good fw people and almost nobody wearing a mask. When i saw that on tv, i said oh, my goodness, nothing good can come out of that, that has to be a problem and sure enough, it turned out to be a super spreader event. That was Anthony Fauci on 60 minutes last night. He reveals that he and his family received Death Threats and require security. Public Health Message to save lives triggers such venom and animosity to me that it results in real and Credible Threats to my life and my safety. Have there been Death Threats against you and your family . Yeah. The critiques from fauci have bae been answered all day from donald trump including in a gaggle with reporters in the last hour and also on twitter and on a phone call attended by reporters with his Campaign Aides this morning in which trump called fauci a disaster and said when he appears on television, quote, there is always a bomb. And the New York Times adds this reporting on that call. Quote, people are tired of covid trump complained, he added people are tired of hearing fauci and these idiots, all these idiots who got it wrong, trump said. This is where we start with some of our favorite reporters and friends. Peter baker, also our medical contributor dr. Vin xw nchln gu. And olivia troye, aide to mike pence and now works with the antitrump Group RepublicanPolitical Alliance for integrity and reform. I want to start with you. I saw in the first ad or interviews that you did, that one of the unfortunate and im sure tasks you took on reluctantly was to have to call dr. Fauci when he was en route to the Coronavirus Task force meetings. I guess it is not a surprise that 14 days before an election trump is in a war of words with phony fauci who maintains i think about a 67 trustworthy rating and trump is in the 20s. But i wonder what you make of what it says about his inability to xwlach t grasp the pandemic. I think that you are watching the president sort of scramble, right, to sort of spin this in any bay that he can. You saw him first cut an ad trying to take dr. Fauci well, he took dr. Faucis words out of context and tried to say that dr. Fauci supports him personally, which is not the case. He was praising the task force. And he consistently undermines these people repeatedly and now you see him going into the election, two weeks out, numbers arent looking great for him and this pandemic continues to be a fail youre. Where we have increasing cases every day and he was warned this winter would be bad. Youre. Where we have increasing cases every day and he was warned this winter would be bad. And now he is doubling down and trying to grasp at 12r5us hewp s trying to grasp at 12r5us hetra and the task force is getting thrown under the bus. And what do you make having been a part of the task force of this reporting that someone like dr. Atlas hasnt just joined a group at its inception contains some esteemed doctors and scientists, but has railroaded over those esteemed doctors and scientists and is now bending the task force to the fwlee tde that it exists toward herd immunity. I think that it has to be very frustrating for the people that are still there to have this kind of force to reckon with who has control. But he is willing to say whatever it is that fits the president s narrative. And we have watched him, ive watched him going on fox, ive watched him on that network, he has been in essence what i would say auditioning to try to get a role on the task force until he finally gets an in. And there is no doubt in my mind that he was specifically put there as the doctor, you know, expert voice that they can point to now and say that dr. Atlas is saying this, so it must be true, when youve got people who are actually pandemic experts sitting in the room with them telling you everything that he is saying is inaccurate. Peter baker, donald trump isnt just as war with tony fauci two weeks before his own reelection, he is at war with fauci as every respected scientist and doctor predicts that the worst is what is right in front of us. Let me show you what dr. Olster hoech holmes said that were into in the coming weeks and months. We do have vaccines and therapeutics coming down the pike. But when you look at the time period for that, the next 6 to 12 weeks will be the darkest of the entire pandemic. Track scenes wiee vaccines will available until early or Third Quarter next year. And people dont know what to believe. We have to get the message to the public that reflects the science and reflects reality. I dont know what the best analogy is here, but you these are intersecting lines that put the country on a collision course. The guy that is for herd immunity and lies on egregiously that twitter took him down this morning for his lie about mask is gaining power and control at the very moment that the virus is in the words of that doctor entering its darkest phase. Doesnt seem like the end of the epidemic is in sight as the president promised us. Not only cases are on the rise again, but so are deaths. In 21 states, deaths are on the rise. Weve now passed or about to pass 220,000 deaths in this country. That is equivalent to the city of des moines, iowa. Think about that. We spent a lot of time in iowa as president s try to get votes. Imagine the sgir city entire ci moines was wiped off the map. You wouldnt have him arguing with the facts. We would say that is a pretty major event in the life of a country. This president ftries to bend reality into what he wants to believe. If the polls are bad, they are fake. If the fine cyst tells them this is what could happen or the dangers, they are fake. Anything that gets in the way of the narrative that he wants to sell two weeks out from an election that polls show he is currently losing. Peter, i want to show you what dr. Fauci said about being used in a political ad. So between calling him an idiot and ignoring him, donald trump used dr. Fauci to boost his own covid failed response. Lets watch. I do not and nor will i ever publicly endorse any political candidate. And here i am, they are sticking me right in the middle of a campaign ad which i thought was outrageous. I was referring to something entirely different. I was referring to the grueling work before the task force that, god, we were not going to i dont think that we could have possibly done any more than that. Did the steam start to come out of your ears . Quite frankly, i got really ticked off. Probably safe to say that it takes a lot for steam to come out of tony faucis ears. But in between having people like olivia call him and tell him not to come to the Task Force Meetings and calling him and an idiot, donald trump actually sought to use his credibility and esteem as a doctor for his own campaign prospects. Thats right. And it is nice to see what fauci reached was a breaking point for him. He is a mild mannered person. Not giving in to attacks. But clearly feeling very frustrated that he was made into a political figure. And that is not his role, he had worked for this government since Ronald Reagan was president trying for both parties to help the country prepare for moments exactly like this. And to be used as a political pawn undercuts not only his credibility, but the credit abiy of the government. Fauci has far more trust among the public than donald trump does on the coronavirus, but among republicans, it is down 30 Percentage Points since april. The attacks are having an effect. And so it means that not only are masks being political size heed a politicized and a partisan be issue, but trusts in the doctors who we need to guide us through you this moment is being turned into a partisan question as well. You know, dr. Gupta, what could go wrong . Were heading into what is called the darkest phase of the pandemic. If were lucky, well have a vaccine that people will trust enough to take if were lucky. Where do we go as a country if we are in the position peter just described with 30 pr of republicans not trusting the scientists . Good fsh afternoon, nicolle. There is a lot here. And lets set the record straight, im hoping that this is where we can go as a country, following the science. What were noticing is there was a call this morning from the society of Critical Care medicine amplified by docs at stanford that the Indian Health service in south dakota where masking rates are about 30 in public, they need recespiratory therapists, nurses and docs. They are struggling. The worst in new york has migrated out of south dakota and into wisconsin. And the rereality is the misinformation of dr. Atlas is having direct affect across the plain states where were seeing bad masking has resulted in people dying. So that is where we are headed. People dont have the information that they need. And if the president is saying that people have pandemic fatigue, ill do him one better, people are tired of pandemic incompetence, of handling of the handling of this virus, of the lack of usable action only information. I get question about how often should people get tested if they have been exposed to somebody. There was a study that came out this past week suggesting that close contacts of individuals who are known to be positive off even turned up negative on that initial test, but if you dont have the access to the white house resources, you cant get a repeat test and turn down the most close contacts needed a second or even in some circumstances a third followup before they knew that they were positive. That is one. People are wondering if you are a pregnant female, you have a higher chance of preterm birth, maybe having to go for a csection. And holiday travel, people are craving for that information. And unless we get that information out, well see more south dakotas. And to your point, dr. Fauci gave important medical information out last night. That it gets clouded by the political firefight that ebb ns when the truth is told about the pandemic. One one of the most alarming things i heard him say, we dont though eight months in what the Long Term Health effects are, what the long term effects are to cardiovascular systems or otherwise, we dont know what the long term respiratory damage could be. And he talked a lot about these long haulers, people that have symptoms for days and weeks and months. Are you concerned that people are the fatigue is in part a byproduct of the dysfunction around our politics, that people feeling especially if you are a follower of donald trump and you listen to the doctors that he feels good about, people like scott atlas, you third both in the nbc forum last week that masks dont matter, donald trump said 85 of people that wear masks get covid, that is a lie. And atlas lied so egregiously that his tweet was taken down. So it seems like the fatigue comes from the mixed messaging at a time when the questions are really important for even to understand before you send your kid back, before you get on a plane, before you take off your mask, before you get on a bus or train, we dont know what the Long Term Health kons yenlconse are of the new pandemic. That is spot on. Long covid as they call it. And i can speak to this, there is concerning data that amongst individuals that actually come up positive for covid19, amongst those individual, 75 that were hospitalized in the study out of europe had some type of long haul symptoms, shortness of blet, ifbreath, fa three months. So we dont have a good understanding of that. And also, this speaks to the questions people are asking. They see what is happening in china. China had one of itof its robus quarters. You can renormalize life more quickly. So the questions i get is not should i wear a mask because they are ignoring scott atlas because they recognize he has no credit ability in the space and he is a laughingstock amongst the medical community at this point, they dont ask are masks necessarily, they are asking what type of mask. A three appply surgical, should get a nchl95. What about frequency of testing. We should be having any School District in the country should have access to testing. Right now no School District at scale has it reliably. That is not High School Sports for example, i get asked all the time, what about testing for High School Sports. No School District can actually fund it with any reliability. That is not right. They want normal city and we can give it to them with the right policies. City and we can give it to them with the right policies. He never understood why didnt everyone or if they did it and it failed, why didnt anyone hold out what trump seems to care about most, opening up wall street and main street and trying to appeal to his obsession with his big beautiful economy and say the only way to that is this . Sending kids to every, you know, company with more than, whatever, 500 employees so they can reopen their offices, to sending testing kits to schools so their kids couldnt go back to school, to reviving main streets. Why wasnt he ever enticed to test, to trace, to protect americans from the virus with the motive of reenergizing our economy . I think that you nail it with that question to be honest. Because these discussions were had and he was told that in order to keep the economy open and to keep the country from shutting down again, that all of these measures would be put in place. But unfortunately it was decided that they didnt want to own the response, that they were going to put the blame on the states. And that quite frankly is the bottom line on how you end up in a situation like this. Because you see the testing it goes to certain states. Certain other state, it doesnt go there. A lot went on. And this is fundamentally what leads to the detrimental situation that were in. And all politics and never the virus. Which is counter row duck difference to keeping the economy going. And did anyone ever look at him and say mr. President , your difference to keeping the economy going. And did anyone ever look at him and say mr. President , you would viewed as a savior if you protected the people you represent . Did anyone appeal to that instinct . I certainly saw people appeal to him on the importance of wearing a mask. That has been reiterated to him repeatedly. I think that discrediting of National Treasuries like dr. Fauci, it was pointed out that it was not productive to underare mine the science. And that battle was lost as well. But what you see is people give in. And you see this narrative play out. You see it in the guidelines and the changes that are done. Everything gets shifted to stret what vet what he wants. And that is why it is dangerous and why the medical community should be very concerned about n95s and the stockpile and what is going on there and where is the ppe and do we have enough for the winter. Because im not convinced we do anymore. And it will be a big problem. An unbleaelievable state of affairs. It was a privilege to talk to you three about it. Thank you. When we come back, even members of the Trump Campaign are reportedly polishing up their resumes for new jobs prepared for an election day loss. As their boss chooses to forego debate prep for rallies. And nearly 26 Million People have already voted either early and in person or by mail. 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