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that's when coronavirus was ravaging new york state and likely beginning its spread to other parts of the united states here's what he told the american people on that very same day >> america is continuing to make critical progress in our war against the virus. over the weekend, the number of daily new infections remained flat nationwide flat. hospitalizations are slowing in hot spots like new york, new jersey, michigan and louisiana this is clearly evidence that our aggressive strategy to combat the virus is working. >> and it wouldn't be long before donald trump would start tweeting against the stay-at-home orders his own government recommended and urging his supporters in states like michigan and virginia to liberate those states however, we now know that he was privately telling bob woodward, who was writing a book, that the coronavirus pandemic was a deadly plague that could rip you apart. the president's lie to the american people including his own supporters is ongoing. and with potentially deadly consequences for those supporters who attended his indoor rallies this week in nevada it comes as the world health organization reports a record increase in new coronavirus cases. "the new york times" reports today, quote, president trump and his campaign are defending his right to rally indoors, despite the private unease of aides who called it a game of political russian roulette and growing concern that such gatherings could prolong the coronavirus pandemic "washington post" adds this. quote, many around the president are acutely aware that a potential surge in coronavirus cases and deaths close to the election could be disastrous that's according to campaign and white house aides. but they are mostly bowing to trump's desire to pack the house. trump here at his own campaign event is the only person protected by social distancing as he gambles with the lives of his own supporters the president, the plague and the liar in chief who is, to this day, telling a different story to the public than the one he told bob woodward in private is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. former democratic congresswoman donna edwards is here, plus "new york times" white house correspondent, annie carney is back and dr. kavita patel is here first, dr. patel, on the public health violations at these two indoor rallies, it almost makes you cringe to see anybody standing that closely together neither the times nor anyone suggested anyone had been tested for coronavirus before admitted entry. so these were untested individuals packed like sardines not wearing masks. and the risk was not something the white house was unaware of they made sure that donald trump didn't get too close >> yeah, and that brings up two critical issues. we already know from the july 4th tulsa rally there are direct links, not to just a prominent figures like herman cain who died from being at that rally maskless inside, but we know that at least 500 cases of coronavirus in tulsa, oklahoma, were directly linked to attendance in that rally that's what we know of then you fast forward to what we just saw in nevada, and candidly, it brings up a second theme that the president has no regard for anyone else but himself. so as long as he's safe, the health of the public, despite numerous warnings from the state, local health officials and his own cdc who classifies that exact event as the highest of risks for coronavirus, and i'm not sure why any of us are surprised anymore because it shows the disregard for the over 1700 health workers who have died in the line of duty to take care of people with coronavirus. and that number is climbing and that parallels what we've seen about his regard for soldiers and families and service so i would say all in all, he's staying consistent, but it's a pattern which is causing people to die >> you know, annie carney, i saw some parallel there. he thinks that soldiers who put themselves in harm's way to serve the country are, quote, suckers and losers i wonder what he thinks of his own rally goers if he won't get close to them? >> he made it clear that the person -- he was asked in an interview in las vegas after that indoor rally that he hosted why is he doing this, and he said, i feel very safe i'm at a distance. i'm on stage and he didn't even answer what about all the people attending that wasn't even part of his answer he answered from his own perspective, which is what these rallies are all about. you have to wonder, people around him, as the post also reported, are very concerned politically about what this gets him. they're worried another death like herman cain which appears to be tied to a rally or leaving a trail of superspreader events behind him as he travels the country, will add up to voters distrusting him. and you have to wonder -- and yesterday when i was reporting that piece if you look at the big picture, his campaign is trying to save money so they've pulled down advertisements at different times in critical states he's trailing in battleground state polls to joe biden these rallies nor longer really carried in full on cable news but they are carried in full on local affiliates so what the president's focus is an hour and a half of earned media, and the health risks, while it's not something he wants, the indoor wasn't his first choice, it's secondary to the coverage >> annie carney, let me press you on that. wasn't it the president standing at the podium getting covered that delivered those fatal blows to his poll numbers? his approval rating on coronavirus compared to joe biden, i mean, joe biden almost doubles him in terms of public trust oncoronavirus. so if -- it just always -- i always ask this question no one ever knows the answer but who thinks donald trump talking in a battleground state helps donald trump's approval rating in said battleground state whose strategy is that >> well, the president thinks that and talking in front of a crowd -- >> ah! >> -- it's something that -- first of all, he didn't talk that much about the coronavirus at these rallies he talks about, we rounded the curve, which is an inaccurate statement but he's doing his riffs on hillary it's not like the coronavirus briefings in march where he was allegedly supposed to be briefing the country about the virus. these are free-for-alls. and second, it's sort of, i heard it described as a candidate management this is oxygen for him it makes him feel like he's winning when he sees those crowds it makes him feel better about the race it gives him confidence that he's in control of a race that he's not really in control of right now. >> you know, donna edwards, annie uses this great line in here aides call it a game of political russian roulette it would seem to me that it's also, you know, public health russian roulette anyone that walks in there without a mask and without being socially distanced in an indoor venue, i've not seen any reporting about ventilation requirements being demanded or adhered to it would seem like russian roulette would describe more than just the politics of these events >> well, i'm not even sure about that because it's not a game of chance i mean, as dr. patel will tell you, if you are standing next to somebody who is breathing on you and you are yelling and screaming and you don't have a mask on, they can transmit coronavirus. and i think the president -- i understand the president doesn't care about me. i'm a blue state democrat who is never going to support him but what the american people and his supporters should know is, he doesn't care about you. he doesn't care that you get coronavirus. he doesn't care that you can transmit it to your families he doesn't care at all he cares about himself, but he doesn't care about you and when you look at these rallies. i actually cringe when i look at these rallies because i can almost see the particles, you know, spreading around in the air as people are gathered at these events and he's flouts the law. he doesn't care about his supporters and he is saying, you know, thumb your nose to the rule of law. thumb your nose to anybody who is going to keep me from doing what i want, whether or not it hurts you. >> you know, dr. patel, can you just give us the reality check i read this morning that israel is locking down for a second time in that country as they have one of the highest infection rates in the world world health organization reports the highest one-day increase in global cases the vast majority of students in this country are learning remote either all the time or some of the time and trump this morning said that we're, quote, rounding the turn. i think he meant to say rounding the corner are we doing anything like that? >> no, i think that candidly, what we're seeing in the united states is still parts of the country are -- yes, there are parts of the country stabilizing, but when donald trump says we're rounding the turn or rounding the corner, he's giving people this false impression that, you know, a vaccine will be here soon, everything will be perfect our cases are down he uses false statistics by manipulating the case fatality rate which is inappropriate to even use to describe deaths from covid right now. so he manipulates the statistics and kind of bends it to its will but now we're already seeing europe is seeing a rise in cases, and it's also attributed in europe to a younger demographic who is going into bars and restaurants and what did they do they immediately went -- they're now talking about drastic lockdown measures. we don't want to do that in the united states again. we know that this is potentially going to get worse so what can we do? we can do exactly what representative edwards was saying masks. things we know that work protecting people who are vulnerable so just to level set, you're right. we have the path to recovery ahead of us. it's not going to come from listening to donald trump. it will come from listening to local county health officials working in concert with people who actually care about opening this economy and recovery again >> annie, i want to ask you about the tapes. there are 19 interviews with bob woodward we've heard maybe total six minutes of them. but what is abundantly clear is that privately, donald trump was well aware of just how lethal the virus was, just how widespread it was. he called it a plague. he understood april 13th that it was a plague, that it wasn't just going to hit new york and he knew and acknowledged to bob woodward that he was lying about it to the public what is -- is the white house recalibrating anything or going back and offering any revisionist history about what was going on >> not really. i think on the first day that the first excerpt came out, k kayleigh mcenany came out and tried to mount a defense it depends on what you mean by the word like -- like she was trying to say he was telling the american people that this was serious and he just didn't want to create panic, but he wasn't lying. but the more the tapes came out, more concerning to me than him going to the briefing room and citing statistics that they were taking care of it was the liberate tweets that came as he was saying, this is fatal. and then he's encouraging supporters to go out and expose themselves, potentially expose themselves to the virus. that's different than trying to put the best spin on your administration's response. and that falls into the same bucket of what we're talking about earlier which is that he saw the liberate tweets in democratic states as politically helpful to him and that trumped the safety of his own supporters by encouraging them to get out there. >> you know, donna, i want to underscore annie carney's point, and you made this a moment ago donald trump has been paying deposits into the don't believe your eyes, don't believe your ears bank for four years and he's pulling them out now. he has been telling everyone that what annie writes and her colleagues is fake he's been telling -- he's been attacking -- it all makes sense now why he has been on this maniacal, obsessive media campaign for four years because now he needs his supporters to be willing to die for him. i mean, this is all sort of adding up. he need them not to believe the cdc, not to believe "the new york times," not to believe dr. patel, not to believe statistics from his own executive branch of the government he needs them to not wear a mask because he wants them all to be actors in his charade that he hasn't botched the greatest threat to this country in his history. >> well, and that's why he needs to have these outdoor rallies, as though somehow he can conduct himself as though nothing is happening. this is just like the 2016 campaign you hold a rally get people excited they're not wearing masks. they defy state law. and he feeds on that and so he's actually, you know, gotten to the point now where when, you know, these interviews where his supporters are asked about even the existence of a -- the coronavirus. i mean, i heard a little 6-year-old or 7-year-old boy say, oh, it's no worse than the flu. he just got that from donald trump and his parents. and so i think that this sort of creating a different kind of reality is the only thing that he has now that can get his people to the polls, and he's hoping that that can carry him through election day i just don't think it's going to work for the american people by friday, we probably are going to reach the horrible, horrible marker of 200,000 americans who are dead i don't know what other symbol there is that quantifies how just dangerous and disastrous and deadly this president has been >> and dr. patel, it brings us to a conversation about the vaccine. i think there's universal hope and optimism that science is able to deliver a vaccine. i think there is equally universal hope and optimism that it will be transparent, that it will be vetted and that it will be on a schedule determined by science and public health, not politics donald trump has made that impossible his comments about the vaccine, his comments about hydroxychloroquine, his refusal to wear a mask, his refusal to social distance, his refusal to ban indoor events. if he were to be on the up and up about the vaccine it would be the first and only thing that he's done that's tied to the science. >> yeah, and that's the concern. you've already seen the interference with the regulatory nature of the government with convalescent plasma, hydroxychloroquine, and probably other examples we are not aware of i think the critical issue with the vaccine is, you know, you've got donald trump's own political kind of appointees, you know, michael caputo, who say roger stone ally and a conspiracy theorist from the beginning. you've got someone who is already setting the stage to undermine scientists, first within the cdc but next it will be the fda the one thing i would say to viewers that's giving me confidence that the fda is doing its job is not just the dedicated staff that are there who are hanging on, i'm sure, kind of by their fingernails but the fact that in the united states, the astrazeneca trial, one of the leading vaccine manufacturers, is still currently on pause likely related to this severe adverse reaction in the uk the uk resumed trials, but the united states is still reviewing and has not resumed that vaccine trial which offers some hope that the scientists will prevail. but you're absolutely right, nicolle. we should not let our metal off the gas in terms of keeping up the transparent from the scientists and the vaccine manufacturers themselves >> annie carney, dr. patel mentioned the roger stone protege who is the most senior communications official at the health and human services department we started the 5:00 hour yesterday with your paper's extraordinary reporting on his accusation that there were members of the cdc who were committing sedition. his claims that the shooting will begin, all sorts of incredibly disturbing things that your paper reported is there any update on his status is he still employed by hhs and donald trump >> i think that's fast moving and will be settled by the end of the day i saw a politico report just before i came on the program that he was -- had apologized to staff and was take something sort of mental health break. so it sounds like all sides are working out a what could be a graceful exit under these circumstances. i don't know if that's temporary or -- but it sounds like it's clear that him remaining in his position is not feasible for anyone >> all right we'll keep an eye on that. i'm sorry to put you on the spot annie karni, dr. kavita patel. donna is staying with us when we come back, john bolton's book has been on the shelf for 12 weeks now today donald trump's justice department has opened a criminal investigation into the publication of that book why they are doing that now. and fires raging out west. hurricanes battering the east. antarctic glaciers breaking free from their restraints. more and more and more evidence emerging that the earth is crying out for urgent 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bounty comes naturally, ♪ ♪ ♪ the big events are back. xfinity is your home for the return of live sports. there is no shortage of books from former trump aides criticizing his leadership but no book received the level of vitriol and even legal attention like the one written by former national security adviser john bolton. bolton's book was published after an attempt by the trump administration to block it failed but now the department of justice has opened a criminal investigation into whether bolton unlawfully disclosed classified information from "the new york times" report, quote, the department has convened a grand jury, which issued a subpoena for communications records from simon & schuster, the publisher of bolton's memoir "the room where it happened. in the book, bolton delivered a highly unflattering account of his 17 months in the trump administration bolton's lawyer chuck cooper responded, quote, ambassador bolton emphatically rejects any claim that he acted improperly, let alone criminally in connection with the publication of his book, and he will cooperate fully as he has throughout, with any official inquiry into his conduct joining us now, "new york times" washington correspondent mike schmidt author of "donald trump versus the united states" which covers in part, the bolton era, and former top state department official rick stengel is also here mike schmidt, you write about bolton you write about the whistleblower and you covered for "the times" the back and forth over the prepublication process with his book. i thought i had read that he received prepublication clearance from a senior official in the national security counsel. is that not how it went down >> no, that would probably be the central argument of the bolton defense in any case like this, whether it was making the case to the justice department that there was no case to be brought or if some day they actually found themselves in court is that bolt on basically believes he got approval from this from a senior career official at the white house who deals with the prepublication review process if you work in government, and you want to write a book, you have to go through this process to write it to basically publish stuff from your time in government so the question here is that did bolton go against the government saying no you can't publish this what i think bolton and his lawyer chuck cooper would say is they received this approval early on from someone whom a senior state department official, i'm sorry, senior administration official, and more to the point, it was only after the president realized that there would be damaging disclosures about him did they then try and classify the information and box bolton in from publishing it >> mike, when you first reported that donald trump wanted to use the justice department to prosecute his perceived political enemies, people like hillary clinton and jim comey, it was a big scoop it is now essentially the policy of the barr justice department i mean, how much of this is just out in the open, donald trump wanting to punish someone that he probably views as being disloyal and bar going along with it because that, from the outside seems to be how barr rolls? >> i write about this in the book about these memos that were written in april of 2018, sort of early on in the administration by the white house counsel don mcgahn that basically told the president that if you even appear to be meddling in the justice department's work, then you could face immense consequences you could be voted out of office you could be impeached people at the justice department could resign you're never going to be successful if you try and do this and the funny thing is that despite being told this, the president continued to try and meddle in the justice department work even just talking about it by the president and the attorney general and different instances talking about investigations, they create the perception of an impropriety it creates the perception that the most powerful person in the executive branch is putting pressure on the justice department to do the things that he wants done politically for him. so even if a case is made based on the merits, there are questions about it because the president has weighed in there's a reason why previous presidents were counseled against weighing in about investigation because it taints the perception of them >> rick stengel, i interviewed john bolton when his book came out and i asked him if he had concerns about bill barr his answer was no, but i think that meant he probably did and was trying to publicly curry some sort of, i don't know, favorable public report with him. but bill barr is implicated in john bolton's book as one of the people, you know, when you're the national security adviser and you pull the fire alarm, not many people are going to come. but one of them it would appear bolton thaurkought, might have n the attorney general who he called when he had concerned the president's foreign policy had been corrupted by personal business alliances or other interest with turkey and china should bill barr have anything to do with the criminal prosecution of john bolton >> no, he has a conflict of interest, and i'm sure bolton didn't imagine that this would be the kind of end game. let me just say, i have reservations about bolton doing the book and not testifying about impeachment for the house impeachment inquiry. that was not a profile in courage. and i have a problem with that but i went back. i knew we were going to be talking about this i went back and looked at the guidelines because, you know, i followed the same guidelines for my book which came out after i left the obama administration. and they are guidelines. they are not rules or laws it's a subjective choice they say that it's voluntary for you to submit your book or your manu script to your agency whether it's national security agency or the state department i remember when i submitted mine, i submitted those parts that i thought might be a problem. they get back to you with suggestions. i think it's very, very clear here, and mike was alluding to this, is that the trump administration was using this as a way of delaying or perhaps ending the publication of bolton's book. the nsc had approved it, then the white house went back for review i think one of the things bolton's lawyer will say in court is this was far from a good-faith effort on the part of the administration to look for classified material and finally, by the way, i would really trust john bolton more than some, you know, either justice department official or some low-level white house official to know what is a national security matter rather than what they think it is >> so, rick, on this question of classification, help people understand this. i read the book. i mean, and here's what donald trump said i told the ag before i would consider every conversation with me as president highly classified that's not the standard for classification now we know when he's extortsing the president of ukraine, that conversation isn't just classified it's put into a server saved for literally operational intel. they have a very loose and subjective relationship with classification can you talk about that factor >> yes so in the role that bill barr is playing which is the roy cohn role for donald trump, bill barr believes that executive privilege protects every single thing the president does every interaction that the president has with somebody else and by the way, donald trump agrees with that but in this case, when it -- what trump thinks is classified is information about me which shows that i am lawless and not following norms. that's what he thinks is classified again, i read bolton's book which i found incredibly damning in part because it's first-person eyewitness of the chaos and lunacy and ignorance that donald trump displays day in and day out well, that is exactly what donald trump thinks is classified material. firsthand observations of his own ignorance and betrayal of the american people. >> mike schmidt, last question they convened a grand jury does that mean they're taking evidence and trying to indict john bolton? what does that mean? >> well, they served a subpoena, and usually the only reason you serve a subpoena is to get evidence to determine whether a crime was committed. so they've opened up an investigation. they believe that they cleared the threshold to determine whether a crime was committed. and want to get as much evidence as possible to figure out if there's a violation of the law it's a straightforward thing this is not too dissimilar from previous cases in which we've seen government officials that have been investigated for how they handle classified information. it appears that is the approach that the justice department is taking here. now what you could see and you'll probably likely see is that the doelt obolton side and publisher side are going to fight the subpoenas and will go to court to quash the subpoenas. and there will be an xenextended legal argument about that that will play out probably for many, many months. >> unbelievable. mike schmidt, thank you for spending some time with us on this story rick is staying put. up next -- wildfires, extreme heat, rising sea levels, all disrupting and impacting our very way of life and where we live we'll talk with a reporter who mapped out the danger zones and tell us how these areas are closing in on americans. don't go anywhere. that's next. start with america's most awarded network. i'm on my phone 24/7. then for the first time ever, include disney+, hulu and espn+. we're a big soccer family. 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another life-changing technology from abbott. so you don't wait for life. you live it. for anyone with breaking news alerts enabled on their cell phones, the last 24 hours have felt like a cascade of seemingly apocalyptic climate related events for starters, we're now tracking two natural disasters. first, hurricane sally which could batter the gulf coast with historic rainfall over the next 48 hours it's one of five named storms currently in the atlantic. it's only the second time that's happened and second, those wildfires we've been covering here which have decimated the western united states, destroying some 4 million acres and killing at least 36 feet that we know of. on top of all of that, there's this from "the washington post." quote, two antarctic glaciers that have long kept scientists awake at night are breaking free from the restraints that have hemmed them in increasing the risk of large scale sea level prize. as propublica reports, the fact that all of these things are happening at once is not bad luck it's science quote, according to new data from the rhodium group analyzed by propublica and "the new york times" magazine, warming temperatures and changing rainfall will drive agriculture and temperate climates northward while sea level rise will consume coastlines and dangerous levels of humidity will swamp the mississippi river valley taken with other recent research that shows the most habitable climate north america will shift northward and the incidents of large fires will increase across the country. this suggests that the climate crisis will profoundly interrupt the way we live and farm in the u.s. joining us now, propublica senior environmental reporter, abraham. rick is still here i read this report and i hope we have some of the graphics that go with it it's disturbing. it's startling and for you, it was personal you are looking at where you live in the san francisco bay area which is my hometown in between the fires and the rising sea levels, it's not just something you cover. if you could talk about your reporting. >> yeah, thank you i began work on this project about two years ago and for the last year or so, i've been focused on demographic change and how people respond to changes in climate how those changes in climate will force people to move. and the climate caught up with me i live here just north of san francisco and we've had increasingly difficult fire seasons the last four, five years in a row obviously now as we all know, it's about as bad as it's ever been and we've had to contend with that in the midst of finishing up this research it began with a much broader picture of how future change is really going to transform not just california but many regions across the country when you start to look at all of these problems altogether, you start to see that really there's very few places that will be left untouched >> let me read the first paragraph of one of these reports. you write, august besieged california with the heat unseen in generations a surge in air conditioning broke the state's electrical grid leaving a population already ravaged by the coronavirus to work remotely by the dim lift their cell phones. by midmonth, the state recorded possibly the hottest temperature ever measured on earth 130 degrees in death valley. thousands of bolts of electricity exploded down on to withers grasslands and forest, some of them hollowed out by climate driven infestations of beetles and kiln dried by the worst drought on record. soon california was on fire. we have a president who thinks california is on fire because they don't sweep their forests the federal government owns upwards of 57% of the forest lands there so maybe he should bring a broom next time, but talk about how california needs a lot more than forest management, needs to start an agreement about what the problem is, no >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, what's so disappointing about the president's remarks is that it shows just -- not just the lack of familiarity with the science but a rejection of that science. and a conflation of issues what we know and hear about various ways in which climate change is happening is that it exacerbates existing problems and amplifies existing problems. so it's not untrue to say that forests need to be managed better that's certainly part of the problem. but it is not true to focus on that as the sole cause or even predominant cause. what you see in california is the temperatures are hotter. the drought is making fuels more susceptible to burning the winds are stronger and more so. we're seeing right now that this long-predicted change is upon us, but the papers, the academic research that i'm reading says that what we're experiencing this year is really just sort of the tip of the changes that are to come. that over the next 20 years, fire weather is going to be 20% more frequent right here where i live where it's already difficult this season to cope with this. so the science says this is going to get a lot worse the science says what we do about climate right now determines how much worse it gets >> you know, rick stengel, we'll never know if the fires and the weather have thrust climate change into these final 50 days of the presidential election, but they're there. and i'm reminded by the propublica reporting that for iowa caucus goers, climate change was the number two reason driving them out to the caucuses behind health care talk about the speech that joe biden gave this week and comments kamala harris made and the assertion of this issue in a more urgent way. >> you brought up a great point. i saw in "the new york times" poll the other day that this issue, biden scores way ahead of trump, obviously, who is a flat earther when it comes to the environment. but biden gave a very powerful speech talking about a $2 trillion investment that his administration will make in clean energy and combating greenhouse gases the scale of it is mind-boggling because the threat is existential. and the thing that i don't quite understand about allegedly pro-market republicans is this the new energy market, the green energy market is the biggest market in the history of the world. it's a multi-trillion-dollar market that's where all the jobs will come from. that's where all the manufacturing will come from in the next 20 years. and the fact that the republican party has become the flat earth party and is investing in coal where jobs are decreasing and already there are more jobs in solar energy than in coal business is such a backward looking thing. and the tragedy of all of this is tat, at the moment we should have been moving forward and embracing clean energy and combating greenhouse gases, we have a president who is looking backwards to the 19th century it will really be, i hope, the effort of president biden to try to accelerate this because we are behind the 8 ball with this, and it's tragic. >> so i don't remember the last time that an endorsement from a scientist counted as breaking political news but, hang on, because i've got this for you, rick biden was endorsed by the scientific american, and that publication's first ever political endorse unanimous 175 years. i think the point here might be, and the reporting bears this out, that this isn't a, you know, a policy area where maybe you read up on it and it becomes important to you we are living this i don't know where you could live where you haven't had more outages, more floods, more heat, more fire, more risk than ever before to not understand that no matter your party, no matter your gender, no matter your income, we are all hostages to an urgent problem that no one has done anything about. what is the sort of urgency that a scientific publication would make its first endorsement in 175 years if it's not that >> well, i think, first of all, the name of the publication, which is the great american publication, "the specific american." you have one candidate for president who doesn't actually believe in science so that's actually not very good from the perspective of the scientists and the journalists who run "scientific american." but i think they are recognizing this is an absolutely existential crisis, not only for americans but for everyone in the world. i think it was mentioned in the great pro-publica story that abraham did and propublica has done over the last four years is 1 out of 2 americans over the next five or ten years is going to have a clear and threatening decline in the environmental quality of their lives that's just extraordinary. that's an emergency. and a president who was responsible, a president who was looking after all americans would be exercised about this and doing something about it other than talking about raking leaves which is a good job for donald trump after he leaves the white house. >> congratulations on the reporting. it really is a stunning piece of journalism thanks for sharing it with us. rick stengel, 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heard there from her mom, the family is still waiting for justice to be had calling for the officers to be criminally charged. joining us now is my friend and colleague, nbc news correspondent cal perry who has been on this story for months. >> reporter: landmark because of some of those reforms. you look at two, a credit for police who will live in the city not enough police live in the city they police it's a major problem in lew louisville a supervisor will need to sign off on some of these warrants. it was a bad warrant a family lawsuit says the person that was listed on that warrant that police were looking for was already in police custody. now we look at the grand jury. the nbc investigative team knows that this case is now in the hands of a grand jury. the city here is waiting for the grand jury to come out with some kind of ruling they are hoping for criminal charges but in kentucky law it will be very difficult there's a stand your ground law. we know that three police officers, one has already been relieved of duty but two are still on administrative leave. today is a good day for the family it's a good day for the activists who have been here for over 100 days. a lot of people are worried that charges won't be brought and we'll see a return of massive protests here in the city. >> you and i were together for so many of these stories and when ever i see a mom whose son or daughter is no longer here, it's soul crushing the families are keeping up the fight. it seems like the most important aspect because the fight isn't over the cause isn't over the movement isn't over. how important is it in final days of a presidential campaign? >> first of all, when i hear the pain of breonna taylor's mother, really continuing to seek justice for her daughter and i think breonna taylor's killing and all of these have had such a tremendous impact on our psyche and on our policy and really looking at breonna's face and her smile and shes with her eyes and i think that we should all remember that for her and continue to seek justice and i don't think justice will be properly served unless there is an indictment and subsequent prosecution of these officers. >> cal perry, we're lucky that you are down there and stayed on this story for us. we will continue follow it thank you for spending some time with us. donna edwards, our thanks to you always for spending so much of this hour with us. trump is not letting up on the rigged election talk rigged by him, it would appear the darnngers he is doing after short break. don't go anywhere. t® high prote. -with 20 grams of protein for muscle health- -versus only 16 grams in ensure® high protein. and now enjoy boost® high protein in new café mocha flavor. i'm a verizon engineer and i'm part of the team building 5g ultra wideband. it's already available in parts of select cities and it's rolling out in cities around the country. 25x faster than today's 4g networks. it's the fastest 5g in the world. this is 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insurrection act he used the military and federal law enforcement to clear peaceful protesters has shown a willingness to use the military on his perceived political opponents. he's got bill barr who has shown a willingness to bend the rule of law around donald trump joe biden is traveling the only path available preparing for a legal showdown, the likes of which this country has never seen before from the associated press trump in recent months has sought to cast doubt on the election warning that the expected surge in mail in ballots because of the coronavirus pandemic will lead to massive fraud and could open the door to foreign countries to print their own graduated lent ballots. there is zero evidence of this happening. no with standing donald trump and his republican allies hallowed threats, election officials around the country are working tirelessly to hold a free and fair election we have an extraordinary national team in place to ensure that every eligible voter is able to exercise their right no vote and to have their vote counted. this is the kind of effort that americans in both political parties used to undertake in emerging democracies you know, far away it's now necessary here in america because the current president has done so much damage to our democracy that he has literally called into suspicion the result of an election that hasn't happened yet. trump would like to obtain a proper victory but it's clear he's not counting on it. that's why the most visible aspect of trump's campaign for continued power is his attack on the election itself. if he doesn't win, he says, again, and again, that the outcome isn't legitimate joining our conversation rgs white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lamir and a contributor for the grio jason johnson and joyce vance is here hanging alan te lantern around n history, i was part of the recount. it sounds like trump is waging and what democrats are preparing for is national effort to demand recounts, go looking for other ballots. how much of this is operationalized underneath donald trump ease public utterances >> we remember the drama that unfolded day-to-day in 2000 in the recount in one state it won't be 50 but we may be looking at quite a few this november cross all the battlegrounds and even some states that might just lean one way or the other right now in those polls this is a coordinated all out assault from the president he's ratcheted up thissed idea, this unfounded idea that the democrats will try to steal it he said the only way the democrats could win this election would be if they rig it he went out on the governor of the state. one that he blamed for not letting him have the rallies where he wanted. i should note which led him to have an indoor rally sunday night just outside of las vegas. one that we will probably in the weeks ahead be watching carefully to see if that was a super spreader event for covid-19 but suggesting this man, the governor was so biassed in his efforts to prevent the president from campaigning therefore he shouldn't be trusted to see the largely mail in balloting in that state we heard him make this refrain over and over. so many states are turning to mail in voting this time around amid the pandemic. north carolina, because it was the first to embark has received more attention from the president. as much as the biden camp is ramping up their legal team and prepared for challenges, try to safeguard voters ability to cast their ballots, the president and his campaign are doing the same. they will have also an army of lawyers ready to perhaps defend ballots but challenge them we may be, indeed, looking for a very messy and protracted not election night but election weeks at the beginning of early november >> i want to read this to you because i don't want to play it. i'm already anxious about amplifying these lies. this is sampling of what donald trump has been saying. this will be in my opinion the most corrupt election in the history of our country august 17th in wisconsin the only way we'll lose this election is if the election is rigged september 8th, be poll watchers when you go there. thieving andg and robbing they do. september 15th on his favorite show, fox and friends, you'll see something with the ballots you'll see corruption like you've never seen. joyce vance, a long time republican campaign lawyer and election expert was out with an op-o op-ed last week. he said widespread election fraud isn't a thing. james baker and jimmy carter looked at it after the 2000 florida recount and found wild spread voter fraud, rigged elections not a thing in this country. what is a thing, what is a crisis is disinformation and misinformation and siloed chains of information echo systems. this is just a sampling we found today. donald trump has been hard wiring his base of supporters to believe that the outcome of the election will not be legitimate for many, many months. what is the antidote to that >> the antidote is early vaccination with the facts for starters, nicole, it's very telling that trump says he won't believe in the results of the election if he loses he's not making a pitch there's a fraud problem with the election he's simply saying he's a sore loser and if he doesn't win, he wants his followers to refuse to believe in the result offense the election what are the facts that we should be looking at in 2017, trump created a commission that was searching for voter fraud and that commission had to fold because they simply couldn't find any significant voter fraud. in 2016, one in four ballots were cast by mail. there were not systemic problems with fraud a our military, our service members overseas vote by mail. there's no evidence of fraud this is another example of the president engaging in projection and outright lying about what elections look like and how they are held americans can have confidence that this election can be held fairly they can have confidence in the results but the important thing now is to counter act as you point out correctly, the president's fake narrative to not give it any additional life and to always introduce the evidence the fact that fraud doesn't exist. it's not a problem when trump trying to complain about election results before they take place >> jason johnson, they have tied the election result to violence. two of donald trump's closest allies, mark caputo, who is going through something emotional or psychological, it would appear based on the new york times reporting of his public statements. told people to arm themselves and get ready after the election roger stone t i'm reluctant to play this but roger stone is talking to alex jones of the sandy hook hoax scandal for which he was sued about donald trump declaring marshal law. these are comments that are so -- they're whacky but have the power of the president behind him because they are two of his closest allies. >> jason, we're going to fix your audio i'll take that to you jonathan how often do donald trump's allies who all had to lawyer up to sort of wade through the legal morass that was the mueller probe? how often do they go rogue it's clear they are calling for violence in a way that donald trump is entirely comfortable with is anyone sought thoeo hold him accountable? >> we're in a new place here i don't think there's any question of that these are close ally con fi dantss of the president. perhaps not as tight as they used to be they are members of the original campaign back in 2015 but people as we know the president commuted roger stone's sentence a few months ago. this is someone who is in his orbit and maybe can be half sdep ahead of where the president wants to be but usually not foo far. it's all part of this larger package. it's sowing doubt on the election result. it's suggesting america should have waner that night. let's take a minute and pause on that because we know so many states will be doing mail in voting, it will take longer to count the results. the ballot cast on election day will be done quicker the president is urging his voters to go to the polls that day while democrats out of concern for health are urging mail in balloting. there's a real scenario where on election night, donald trump, as the east coast or even the west coast goes do bed and dwoewe dot have a result, donald trump will be winning there's a chance the democrats and biden campaign are worried that he may declare victory before any other organization, including the associated press would do so. therefore and try to delegitimatize any ballot that comes in after that suggesting these mail in ballots are fraudulent i think that is part of why there is such concern. we heard these think tanks try to game out scenarios as to what can happen after the election and outside of a biden land slide, there's a belief that there could be the real potential for some violence in the streets afterwards we hope not. it goes to show the president and some of his closest political allies are stoking that talk. that's something not just democrats but all of us should be concerned about >> jasojason, donald trump has e law and order and lawlessness a campaign issue he's sought unsuccessfully if you accept the public polls out there week to depict a future america run by joe biden as the threat it's the current america run by donald trump that is the threat and it is donald trump and his closest communications allies who are stoking violence my question was to get you on the record of whether we're paying close enough attention and whether we're fortifying ourself and whether we are make for the last and final time right to sort of call out for a guardrail or for someone to say, listen, donald trump's going to delegitimatize the election. he's going to say reckless things a and urge his voters to commit voter fraud but there should be a red line at inciting violence >> i agree >> i don't think donald trump is running re-election campaign he's just trying to consolidate power. there's no campaign. what he's done in portland and kenosha is to ask terrorists to come in and intimidate people. it's like season 5 of house of cards. it's like it's terrorist action in ohio. i have to send troops there. go down dade county with your guns and intimidate people the only guardrail we have besides talking in the press about this guy is just trying to consolidate power. he's trying to end democratic elections is it seem like the biden campaign will not be caught flat footed joe biden is not al gore he's not john kerry. he's not going to roll over when he sees a problem. a friend said this popped up on his linkedin they are hiring post-election lawyers for iowa now nay are hiring post-election lawyers. biden's team is already getting people in place. they are anticipating a battle and that's a good sign rather than being caught flat footed after november 3rd >> jason, i want to read this to you. craig sergeant of the washington post writes trump isn't trying to persuade a majority of u.s. voters to support him. instead, he's trying to get within what you might call cheating distance of pulling another electoral election while losing the popular vote like last time. he's not there many top trump officials and congressional allies have placed their official duties and the levers of your government at the disposal of trump's re-election effort which depends on closing that gap do you agree with that >> i completely agree. it's gamed out that i thought about. votes that come in after election day give those states to joe biden but the votes that came in on election day give those states to trump. what will the supreme court do what will state supreme courts do that's what donald trump wants to have happen he knows he can't win the electoral college or the popular vote he wants throw it to the courts. i think the courts may be willing to flip one state. they can flip a florida, a michigan but if you have two or three different states with a vote count shows these additional mail in ballots will make a difference and throw it from one person to another, i think our conservative isssupre court would have trouble overruling public sentiment that way. i hope >> i whope, too. joyce, i want to read you something our friend matt miller has this expression he shares off air. i don't think he will mind if i say this for a while the first couple of years democrats would say the norms. it started to sound a little fussy. here is what happens when norms are obliterated. this is greg sergeant reporting on the ways that trump has used the levers of power to his political advantage. rushing coronavirus virus treatments and pushing unprovement treatment, interfering if public health messaging. hhs changing reports twisting intelligence to support campaign propaganda. down playing the role of white supremacy. raising the profile of left wing groups helping to cast doubt on russian election sabotage. barr's effort to release some durham report. limiting the disclosure of russian sabotage discrediting vote by mail. i would just add to this list be ongoing efforts to sort of make china and iran's preference for joe biden look the same as russians actions which are to mett meddle in our elections. what do you make of our inability four years in to have adapted and pushed back any of theeds on critical national security homeland agencies that are not as greg sergeant reports being used to donald trump's political benefit. >> the eternal mystery of this administration is how trump has gotten away with busting norms so easily, so effortlessly and with no meaningful checks. i suppose one of the biggest answers is the failure of the senate majority to hold him accountable which is the constitutional task they are given. i think the good news on the horizon is unlike bush versus gore when democrats had to jump into litigation after the election, completely unprepared, frankly, and unorganized in face of serious issues, that's not what the biden team will look like after this election this is maybe the frontier on norms that can be violated they've assembled a really outstanding team of lawyers that is headed by two former solicitors generals. eric holder is involved to coordinate and already engaged in litigation. nay will game out the scenarios in advance they will be prepared. it's possible that a case here or there could be decided in way i might view as being wrong but when we're looking at a press of litigation across the country in face of what can only be seen as a really sustained effort to interfere with the election, i do believe that the courts will hold and we will have fair and free elections even if we have to wait a while to get results something we should all be prepared for >> joyce, jason, jonathan, all three of you providing me with my much needed dose of optimism and jonathan, in your case, call for patience thank you for that when we return, deadly wildfires in the west and another dangerous hurricane on the gulf coast. both happening right now as donald trump continues to deny all the science behind dlie mat change a disturbing new whistle-blower report from a nurse who is raising alarms about a high number of hysterectomies performed on women at an i.c.e. detention center in georgia. the world health organization reports a single day record high number of new coronavirus cases. the spikes in europe out breaks on college campuses and some countries entering a second lockdown here in donald trump's world, it's indoor rallies, no mask required as theexperts warn a return to normal is a long way off. deadline white hou cseontinues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. start with america's most awarded network. include the best in entertainment and offer plans to mix and match starting at $35. plus, get the samsung galaxy s20 5g uw on us when you buy any note20 5g. only at verizon. so when it comes to screening for colon 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threatening different parts of the united states first in the southeast, the brunts of hurricane sally's destructive power is lurching toward the gulf coast. it will likely make landfall early tomorrow morning packing historic flash flooding. 30 inches in some areas. evacuations are under way. out west, wildfires are scorched millions of acres and they are spreading. at least 36 people, so far, have lost their lives we should mention, the air quality there has become a hazard right now as we sit here, the pacific northwest as the worst air quality on face of the planet so bad, in fact, just in the last 20 minutes espn reported that the major league baseball games scheduled tonight between the mariners and the giants in seattle has been postponed let's bring in democratic senator of oregon who drove 600 miles through his state to survey the devastate and talk to people impacted by the fires i read about that and i wanted to ask you about your droive since i saw that tell me what you saw and tell me how your state is doing. >> i went 600 miles and i never got out of the smoke it was apocalyptic i was meeting with fire command. meeting with senators are fire refugees were picking up clothing and personal items and trying to get hotel voeuchers i visited two towns. one of them is talent and phoenix there were incinerated it's like they had been fire bombed it wasn't unanticipated. year after year our fires have been getting so much worse with climate change >> the president with in california this week and talking about one of the factors of forest management. i think upwards of 57% of the forest lands are federal lands, so maybe he'll bring up it next time he visits talk about the climate denial that still happens sadly in my former party and how that hinders the efforts to do anything, to help the states from having this happen year after year >> you mentioned forest management this is factor we have been pushing for more funds to thin the second growth forest which the trees are two close to together. their crowns are all the same level. they are not good for timber harvest because of the fire that they posed fire hazard they pose. every time wu push for funds to make the forest more resilient, republicans step in and say, let's get rid of the environmental laws let's go back to clear cutti in. it perpetuates the same problem. mr. president, come to our assistance with a billion dollars a year for responsible forest thinning. it will help the forest industry and help be forest resilient no amount of thinning would have stopped fires at this moment because you're getting more dusty wind with the changing climate and the forests were so dry. drier than you would get with a two by four that had been dried in a kiln. any kind of spark sets it off. the winds just blow it into a blow torch and it came down the valleys to hit the towns we have the short range. we need to have a massive help for these families they have lost everything. they need us to give them the resources to get back on their feet we need to rebuild the communities. help us do those two things for the communities and the families in addition to forest management, we have to take on carbon dioxide and we have to take on methane. the president is doing the opposite we're seeing it with the fires we are seeing it with more acidic ocean achffecting our fisheries. we are seeing it with declining water in the snow pack and cascades that provide irrigation for our farmers. we're seeing it everywhere we have got to rapidly go to renewable energy and get off the carbon dioxiode and fossil fuels. >> senator, i'm looking at these pictures of your state and my thoughts, my heart goes out to every one affected but my thoughts are going to how you rebuild with a president who so disdainful of disasters that happen in places that aren't full of his supporters and i'm thinking of puerto rico which struggled for a very long time after it was hit by hurricane. i'm thinking of his attitude and posture toward the state of new york as we suffer tens of thousands of deaths from coronavirus and looking at these pictures from california, oregon and washington state i'm wondering if you have plan if the president isn't at the table as a partner to help you rebuild. in the short term, i have a son starting third grade it was already going to be hard for people in california, washington and oregon to start school remotely with the pandemic how do you make sure that kids don't lose a whole school year if you've had all these ev evacuations from the fires >> absolutely. i talked to parents who were coming out of phoenix and talent they were planning to go 30 or 40 miles to a trefriend's house relative's house their laptops or tablet had just been burned up there's kind of a traumatic shock that sets in even their jobs were taken because if they worked at places in the commercial sector burned, they lost those jobs it's going to be really, really hard on these children i was already going to be really hard imagine kids in first grade trying to operate through a tablet or a teacher trying the teach through a tablet it's already going to be hard. i picture the president coming to those burned out towns and tossing out a roll of paper towels like he did in puerto rico i went to puerto rico eight months after the disaster. it was such a failure of the united states to assist u.s. citizens in rebuilding we cannot allow that to happen in disasters like this i'm hoping we can take the disaster in red states and blue states we have problems in iowa, louisiana will be hard hit texas has been hard hit. let's quit putting a party on it and help each other out. quite frankly in terms of rebuilding the housing and so forth, i think we'll have to look for a lot of help from the next administration. i don't think this administration has competence to get the job done >> senator, we will stay on this story keep coming back and lets us know how your state is doing. >> 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call today for a free guide. hysterectomies sh it was filed by a nurse who worked full-time the nurse says that detained woman told her they didn't fully understand why they were undergoing hysterectomies and one doctor raised red flags among the nurses at the facility my colleague has been reporting on the story and joins us now. tell me what we know we should show our work here this has been swirling around on social media for a couple of days you confirmed this story and you've got some new reporting. tell us all about it >> our new reporting is based on conversations with four lawyers who represented clients in this facility over the past three years. they are able to real broaden this story out and explains why the whistle-blower heard what she did. these lawyers tell us they knew of women who said they were afraid to go to this doctor. they identified him. his name is mahindra amin. he's a gynecologist in douglas, georgia. he was overly harsh. they called him abusive and some of the allegations the lawyers told us and at least two cases there were women who were told they needed a hysterectomy because they had cancer. one of the women, her medical records indicate she never had a biopsy another case a lawyer told me his client had a hysterectomy and was told she had stage four. the concologist said you do not have cancer. i personally called the doctor's office as soon as i identified myself as a reporter, i heard a click. the phone hung up. clearly there are people reaching out with the same questions we have today. my colleague interviewed dawn wooten the whistle-blower blower and here is what she said. i should warn viewers, what she had to say is disturbing >> your quoting the complaint as saying that's his specialty. he's the uter rurks s collector. >> that's how the detainees referred to him. she said what is he doing, collecting all of our uteruses gist lo i just looked at her puzzled i didn't accompany them on the procedures and it's mind blowing and mind boggling. when you get in your vehicle after a 12-hour shift and you cry yourself home and you're the only one in the vehicle asking why, what is going on? what is happening? i don't have an answer why is nobody not hearing them or taking them seriously i don't have an answer shift after shift, then it gets to be where you don't want to report to work because you don't have an answer you don't have a reason and they're going to ask you why >> now, nicole, i.c.e. said they don't comment on allegations that have been brought to their inspector general. they say in general anonymous, unproven allegations made without any fact checkable specifics should be treated with the appropriate skepticism they deserve. they are clearly questioning dawn wooten here so far i.c.e. has no responded to the new reporting by nbc news that calls out this doctor by name and gives specific allegations that clients gave their lawyers. the other thing we're waiting for them to respond to is well is the company that runs the facility is the allegations from the lawyers they say they went to leadership to management at this facility and said you have a problem with this doctor our clients are afraid to go back to them he's hurting these women they continued for years to keep using this gynecologist to perform this care. right now i.c.e. has not responded to that new reporting. >> julia, can you widen the lens on the medical care that is standard for female detainees. it sounds like a whole lot of care when we read about the abject neglect around covid. >> i've been talking to lawyers who say i have clients in detention who had diabetes and couldn't get their medication yet they were told to go back for a pap smear and go again when that seemed irregular seemed like they were getting way too much care for a gynecologist and doing unnecessary procedures and not enough of what you would need in a short term detention situation. we know they aren't supposed to stay longer than six months. why were they getting so much care on this one area? i will point out this doctor was part of a civil settlement with the justice department in 2015 where he and other doctors had the pay over $500,000 and a fine for fraudulent claims to medicaid that means we're already looking at a doctor who has been alleged to have tried to inflate his claims in order to get more money. that is the allegation here. why was he doing so much work if as it seems a lot of these procedures were not necessary. i should mention very tragic one of the lawyers described a woman of childbearing age who now has a hysterectomy that she did not need >> it's an unbelievably disturbing, sounds like the tip of the iceberg please come back as you and jacob report nor the coronavirus hits a record high and new infections around the world but in donald trump's parallel reality, it's indoor rallies, no masks, no social distancing. we'll bring you all that porerting. deadline white house back after a quick break. good 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>> it's good to be with you under such surreal and at times heartbreaking circumstances. what we're seeing in other countries is frankly what we're seeing in parts of the country as well. certain states like certain countries, if they reopen too k quickly without the appropriate health measures in place, they will get infections. there's still widespread, community spread of this virus all over the country certain parts of this country such as the northeast, new jersey, connecticut, mississippi, new york have been able throer the community spread and other countries like up north in my homeland of canada which announced zero deaths for the first time in six months it's doable but it has to happen very carefully and following guidelines, strict guidelines. the leaders of the country have to work side by side with public held officials and communicate this message throughout the country in the smaller village, to large cities and every one. every one is as a rule nvulnerae >> i want to read some of the head lilines about what back to school has brought in michigan, there are 11 k through 12 schools with outbreak adding up to more than 1400 cases. michigan state university ordered 30 fraternities and sororities to quarantine after an outbreak. utah's top epidimologist called out college students for partying this is in new york city where one of the lowest infection rates. 55 department of education employees tested positive one week before classes began. nearly half of all new york city public students are opting for all remote there's a lot of kids who need the lunch program. that's a remarkable number of public school students in part of the country that's doing quite well opting out of going into schools >> it's so frustrating as you just pointed out, school is so essential not only for education, obviously but all the other services that schools provide including health services, including food and meal programs. after school programs. many, many reasons however, schools can only reopen if it's done so safely as you know, schools are embedded in communities. if the community has a high community spread of the virus you'll see in in the schools and back into the community. in areas like new york city and new york state where community spread is low, we're still seeing cases we already have data showing that kid ks not only get inif he canned but transmit the virus to each other and to adults and going back the their homes to their grandparents it means going back to the drawing board and making sure that all of these schools, either have do it remotely or if they will do it in person, it had to be with distance between the desks and good ventilation but it has to be very clear cut instructions >> you know, when i saw the pictures of donald trump's indoor rallies this week, i wondered if there were any kids in any of those households, what were they doing. like were the parents or grandparents or aunts and uncles out grand parents or aunts and uncles maskless and then enforcing other rules for their kids this parallel reality that trump is imposing on his supporters goes against every recommendation, his own government still has in place. >> yeah. i mean, first of all, like this week we'll probably pass 200,000 deaths we'll probably hit that tragic milestone. it is so chilling about hearing him with woodward. he sounded like a rational person would in discussing the virus, right he sounds like everyone on this show in appreciating how serious it is and how easily it is transmitted. and then when he speaks to the public, he adopts some other tone that is not just lying to america and then putting his own supporters in this kind of vulnerability, right it is just, it is mind-boggling irresponsible. and i fear what he's trying to do now that covid is back because, what he's trying to do at these rallies is show everything is normal everything is fine and willing to put his own supporters at risk just to make it look as if, just to have the appearance as if things were returning to normal. and we also saw what happened when he did this in tulsa in june and we think that's where herman cain got covid-19 and died shortly there after. this is life and death as a political game >> it is amazing, and what you describe is him viewing his supporters as extras in campaign footage to show a fake america where people are not at risk of a deadly pandemic. it is really chilling when you put it that way. thank you both for spending some time with us when we return, remembering hives well lived t goes through . with fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. that's the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management. gimme two minutes.ommendations. eligible for medicare. and i'll tell you some important things to know about medicare. first, it doesn't pay for everything. say this pizza... 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