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out of the meticulous fact-checking that went into covering the first night of a republican convention. and say what you will about republican conventions of the past, and i was a part of a lot of them, they sought to hugh to the facts and make their case from there. this was a totally different undertaking. >> that's right. there may be some exaggeration that comes with every political convention but what we saw last night was a real list of misleading statements. everything from the fact that joe biden wants to abolish the police to the fact that president obama wants to abolish the suburbs to the fact that president trump was quickly responding to the coronavirus and did all that he could in the very beginning to try to thwart the virus. we know the president downplayed the virus. he talked about the fact it was going to disappear miraculously. the president in his first speech at the republican national convention said he was dealing with the virus and it was going away that it is happening. we know that's not true. the u.s. is continuing to lead when it comes to the coronavirus cases around the country and the world. it's really in some ways a picture into what we'll continue to see this week. but these speakers we saw talk about not only in misleading tones but also about the culture of america, talking about the fact that president trump at one time someone said was a bodyguard of western civilization, something a lot of critics found to be really culturally insensitive at best, racist at worst, these are the type of things we'll continue to see all week long because the speakers are echoing what the president has been doing in the past three years when he was in office and has continued to say, while he continues to be in office. >> david jolly, this is some of what's happening on planet earth, in real america. from "the washington post," they report as permanent economic damage piles up, the covid crisis is looking more like a great recession. "the new york times" writes, a projected worsening of the coronavirus testing delays that have emerged on trump's watch is colliding with colleges like the university of alabama and unc chapel hill opening up and reporting huge, huge spikes in positive cases. and the days after reopening their doors. and on the racial unrest that's been growing across this country since the murder of george floyd in kenosha, wisconsin, they awoke there to an outcry reignited by the police shooting of jacob blake who his father reports today is paralyzed, at least for now. i want to tell our viewers we're keeping an eye on kenosha where blake's family is expected to hold a press conference. we'll be covering that this hour as well. but the effort, david jolly, at creating a new reality is almost in itself a tacit admission that reality in this country is not something donald trump can run on. >> yeah, nicolle, the message is always great when you control the air waves but it doesn't mean it's honest. that's what we saw last night and we'll probably see the next few nights as well. this is a political party trying to frame the election in the only terms it can possibly save donald trump's re-election. but the tension and you listed, you itemize the reality that the country is facing compared to what we heard last night. but where republicans are having so much trouble is this. it goes back to that fundamental question we see every week when voters are asked, is the nation heading in the right direction or wrong direction, and around 70% continue to say the wrong direction. so if you strip away all of the content that was said last night and put it in the context of real lives, what donald trump and the republicans are asking the american people to do is continue with four more years of this. repeat the last three years for another four more years. that's essentially what they're asking. and the american people, a vast majority are saying we can't take anymore. we don't want to keep going in this direction. whatever glimpses of conservative policy we may get from tim scott and others, whatever doses of what the party might look like outside of a trumpism world, it just falls flat because what dominates the -- what dominated last night and will continue to dominate the rest of this convention is this alternative reality that is disconnected from what the voters have already said they are experiencing. which is we're going in the wrong direction and need change. >> a.b. stoddard, it also reveals that they don't have their own base locked up. yamiche alluded to it. i think we've gathered some of our technical capabilities back and can throw to some of the sound yamiche referenced, but it wasn't anything that david jolly is talking about. no one was pointing to trump policies that have worked. they were re-upping, putting the band together for this anti-elite, white grievance effort that is very unbecoming of an incumbent president at the hour of a national crisis. here's some of the low lights, if you will. >> it's a horror film, really. they'll disarm you, empty the prisons, lock you in your home and invite ms-13 to live next door. >> democrats refuse to denounce the mob and their response to the chaos, defund the police, defund border patrol and defund our military. and while they're doing all this, they're also trying to take away your guns. >> they want to destroy this country. and everything that we have fought for and hold dear. they want to steal your liberty, your freedom. they want to control what you see and think, and believe so that they can control how you live. >> joe biden and the radical left are now coming for our freedom of speech. they want to bully us into submission. if they get their way, it will no longer be the silent majority. it will be the silenced majority. >> speaking of technical difficulties, we never heard why kimberly guilfoyle delivered her speech at that volume but we did learn from dan balz that i'm not the only one that thinks these are the signs of a campaign very worried about its base turning out again. he writes, those are not the words are a confident incumbent, and for good reason. trump and his campaign have been struggling for months, no matter what they have tried. their efforts have moved polls only marginally with biden still in the lead. trump trails nationally and in battleground states by margins wide enough that if the election were held now, he would probably lose, a.b. >> right. i think that this is his last opportunity to use a lot of fear in a cohesive way that he might not be able to in the debates to energize his base with. so in the debates, he's going to bark, scream, be on offense the whole time putting on a big show. this was planned by other people to really highlight the best of his accomplishments, and i think they did so pretty effectively actually. it was not a whole night of kimberly guilfoyle screaming and don junior talking about trying to brainwash you. but i think fear has always worked for him. it's the caravan in the midterm elections, the muslim ban in 2016, it's the rapists, and so he is seeing erosion from his base. he's seeing erosion from seniors first. that happened right in the deep in the spring as -- because of his response to the pandemic. they started moving to biden once they felt the federal government considered them expendible. but now he's seeing erosion with some veterans and some white noncollege women. and enough of those numbers really add up since he won in 2016 by, you know, sort of a strike of lightning. 77,000 votes in three states. one of which -- two of which jill stein's spoiler margin was material to his win. so they can't lose any base. so i do think this convention will juice the base. they used a lot of fear, which worked with them in the past. it can work with seniors particularly. and i do think, as i said, that they were able to put on this kind of wonderful incumbent show, parade of his accomplishments, whether it was trying experimental cancer treatments, free hostages, find a way to get people to come out and talk to him in a positive way. his two videos, with the frontline workers, show that they recognize there's a huge empathy gap. empathy was a theme of joe biden's convention last week. it was resnanonant with people t didn't know joe biden a lot. and they are worried about that. they're going to try to show him in an empathetic way. but they make the case that they don't think donald trump is a racist is a way to tell voters who may have left donald trump, who voted for him in 2016 to say, it's okay to come back. we don't think he's a racist. i'll be curious if he gets a polling boost from some of those sectors of the coalition. >> complicating that is the mixed message on the confederate flag from nikki haley and from the president's son. here's nikki -- well, this is nikki haley with some smears against obama and biden, but nikki haley touting her own biography which stands in stark contrast to donald trump's record on the confederate flag. and moments after she touted removing a symbol of hate, donald trump jr., his staccato delivery of protecting our heritage. >> obama and biden let north korea threaten america. president trump rejected that weakness and we passed the toughest sanctions on north korea in history. obama and biden let iran get away with murder and literally sent them a plane full of cash. president trump did the right thing and ripped up the iran nuclear deal. >> yamiche, that was actually one of the places where rachel maddow pulled out of the convention coverage and we did a fact-check on that. it is donald trump whose projecting weakness on the world stage to north korea by constantly touting the love letters the two of them write back and forth, but it was a different remark that haley made about the confederate flag coming down and then junior came up ten minutes later and all but pounded his chest in sort of pride at his father's effort to protect confederate symbols. >> that's right. it was a sort of mixed messaging and nikki haley never said the word confederate flag which was interesting on her behalf given that she had this powerful story to talk about this shooting that took place at mother emmanuel killing nine people. she could have talked about the fact that this confederate flag is not something that's palpable anymore. she talked movingly about her own background and the discrimination that she faced but she also said america isn't a racist country while in some ways describing what she saw as the racist -- the racist experiences that her and her family experienced. i think what donald trump and the republican party were trying to do were two things. they were trying to embrace the idea of diversity while also saying we shouldn't focus on diversity too much. i think about that when i think about the fact the chairwoman of the republican party said i am here. i'm one of the only second women to run the republican party. but i wasn't chosen because i was a woman, suggesting that joe biden chose senator harris only because she was a woman when joe biden said, yes, he wanted to choose a woman, but she was a qualified african-american woman who deserved the job, who earned the job. you saw that mixed messaging over and over again. and you see that with president trump. he wants to talk about the criminal justice reform he's passed. the first step act. but also doesn't want to talk about systemic racism, the fact african-americans are more likely to be killed by the police. so that same mixed messaging everyone was echoing last night. >> david jolly, let me show you what former fbi director jim comey said about the threats facing this country from this president as we head into an election almost four years to the day or to the week after crossfire hurricane that counterintelligence investigation was opened into his last campaign. >> for all that we learned, are you more or less worried today than you were july 31st, 2016, about the influence that trump's affinity for putin plays on u.s. politics? >> oh, more worried. both because we have a clearer picture of how deep and wide the russian tentacles were in the trump campaign and second, we've seen over four years a president who won't acknowledge the threat. how could our government possibly stop putin from getting into this election if the commander in chief doesn't acknowledge it exists? and so the accumulation of facts and the experience in watching this president deepen my worry. >> david? >> look, even coming off the democratic convention, there were some independent swing voters, even with the naming of kamala harris and former republicans saying, i'm okay with biden. i'm not sure about harris. and it's the comments from comey where we need to stop and reflect on exactly what this moment means. often in politics we say, and obama said this. vote for something, not against it. i think it was michelle obama. but in this election, it may be that what binds the nation together is voting against something because regardless of the politics we hear, last week or this week, the policies you agree with or not, we have a president who has been impeached for trying to cheat in this election. cheat the american people. a president who invited russia to interfere in the 2016 election. one who refuses to respond to the russian bounties on the heads of american soldiers. one who has been named in a criminal indictment. that's what's on the ballot in november and it's important the american people decide we're going to put a stop to this, regardless of what we hear at the conventions over these two weeks. >> we are going to dip into a press conference that is under way. this is ben crump speaking. he represents jacob blake and his family. they're going to update us on his condition and what happens next. let's listen in. >> -- but mostly, devastating to his three little boys who were seated in the car when the police literally shot him at least seven times at point-blank range. before we begin, because this is a very faithful family, we're going to begin with prayer. and then the attorneys will give you the updates on his medical condition and the action that we are demanding legally, and then you will hear from his parents, his sisters, both leticia, megan and daitha. and then we'll take some of your questions. but first, we will start with pastor james boyd jr. to lead us in prayer. >> thank you, attorney crump. good afternoon, everyone. my name is james e. ward jr. along with my wife, pastor sharon, we've been highly privileged to be the family pastor for more than 30 years to ms. julia jackson, the mother of jacob blake and also her mother janey johnson for more than 30 years. and at julia's request and at attorney crump's request, i want to set the tone for our press conference today by briefly representing julia's faith in the name of our lord jesus christ and offer a brief ward of prayer. there are three types of law that govern a nation. spiritual law, moral law and civil law. but we're only familiar with civil law, and we're often ignorant of the ramifications of violating spiritual and moral law which civil law alone cannot remedy. when the spiritual and moral foundations are destroyed, societies implode. people hurt each other and what can the righteous do? so we're calling our nation back to faith in god. despite our differences, every citizen of america can agree that we indeed have a monumental problem in our nation. a problem that people created, but people are incapable of solving. and often as we tell our church, we have a sin problem. and not just a skin problem. so i invite you to join me in a brief moment of prayer as we ask our gracious god for his help during these very perilous times. let's pray. our father in heaven, we come to you in the name of our lord jesus christ and ask you to forgive us all from straying from our ways and from your ways and from our word, which invites the curse and results in repeated harming and the destruction of each other. i declare the mercy of god, the grace of god, the peace of god, the goodness of god and most importantly, the love of god over kenosha, over black people and white people, over citizens and police. and over these united states of america. father, unify us by your holy spirit. we pray for jacob blake even now and ask you to heal his spirit, soul, mind and body as well as the entire family. we ask you to give us wisdom on how to navigate our way forward as we deliberate to seek justice and to seek to bring healing to a hurting nation in the name of our lord jesus christ we pray. amen. >> amen. and now you will hear from his father, jacob blake sr. who will pray also. >> our family is very diverse, and we don't represent just one thing. so if you all could give me one second, please, this is for my son jacob. [ speaking foreign language ] i would like to thank everyone for coming out in support of my son with this senseless attempted murder that was committed on him. they shot my son seven times. seven times. like he didn't matter. but my son matters. he's a human being, and he matters. >> we're going to now hear from his mother, ms. julia jackson. this is her only biological son, jacob blake jr. >> my son has been fighting for his life. we really just need prayers. as i drove through the city, i noticed a lot of damage. it doesn't reflect my son or my family. if jacob knew what was going on, as far as that goes, the violence and the destruction, he would be very unpleased. so i really am asking and encouraging everyone in wisconsin and abroad to take a moment and examine your hearts. citizens, police officers, firemen, clergy, politicians, do jacob justice on this level and examine your hearts. we need healing. as i pray for my son's healing, physically, emotionally and spiritually, i also have been praying, even before this, for the healing of our country. >> yes, yes. >> god has placed each and every one of us in this country because he wanted us to be here. clearly you can see by now that i have beautiful brown skin, but take a look at your hand and whatever shade it is, it is beautiful as well. >> amen. yes. >> how dare we hate what we are. we are humans. god did not make one type of tree or flower or fish or grass or rock. how dare you ask him to make one type of human that looks just like you. i am not talking to just caucasian people. i am talking to everyone. white, black, japanese, chinese, red, brown. no one is superior to the other. the only supreme being is god himself. please, let's begin to pray for healing for our nation. we are the united states. have we been united? do you understand what's going to happen when we fall because a house that is against each other cannot stand. to all of the police officers, i am praying for you and your families. to all of the citizens, my black and brown sisters and brothers, i'm praying for you. i believe that you are an intelligent being just like the rest of us. everybody. let's use our hearts, our love and our intelligence to work together to show the rest of the world how humans are supposed to treat each other. america is great when we behave greatly. thank you. >> ms. jackson -- >> hold on. >> julia jackson. and before we have her sisters address you, we want to give a brief update on his medical status. and also demands. so at this time, i would have attorney patrick savie jr. and attorney deivory lamar join me as we update you. and as they come, i will tell you what his mother and father just did certainly touched my heart. praying for humanity. the question is, is it touching the hearts of the people with the authority that we have legally given the right to use force in america. that is the people who are supposed to protect and serve us. when you look at that video, that horrific video, that showed jacob blake jr. being shot at least seven times at point-blank range when an officer is holding his t-shirt and you see it on the video. remember what his mother just said. where is the humanity? where was the humanity for this citizen? and it shouldn't matter the color of his skin. where is the humanity? in the law, we often talk about deliberate indifference where i think we don't have to give you a lot of legal treatises to let you know that what they did to jacob sr. and julia's son was done with deliberate indifference. and she said, think for a second. think for a second what other things these police officers could have done instead of firing at least seven bullets into the back of jacob blake jr., leaving him, at this moment, paralyzed. and his family is very faithful, and they believe in miracles. but the medical diagnosis right now is that he is paralyzed. and because those bullets severed his spinal cord and shattered some of his vertebrae that attorney savie will get to in more detail it is going to take a miracle. it is going to take a miracle for jacob blake jr. to ever walk again. he is currently in surgery as we speak still struggling to sustain his life and to hopefully become some resemblance of the man he once was. so at this time, i'm going to call attorney patrick savie first, and then you'll hear from attorney deivory lamar to give updates. >> thank you. thank you, ben. my name is patrick salvie jr. i'm a lawyer in chicago. as you've heard and as you can imagine, when at least seven, as many as eight bullets from point-blank range enter the human body and shred through the tissue of the human body, that that can cause and did in this case, severe and likely permanent injury. miraculously, because i imagine you've all seen the video, jacob is alive. and i cannot tell you how pleased we were, how full our hearts were when julia came back from visiting with him and actually told us that he told her a joke. and so that was tremendous news. but let me go through some of the injuries that jacob suffered. mr. crump is correct. he had a bullet go through some or all of his spinal cord. at least one bullet he has holes in his stomach. he had to have nearly his entire colon and small intest iin colon and small intest iitestin removed. he suffered damage to his kidney and liver. and was also shot in the arm. and so jacob has a long road ahead of him. a lot of rehabilitation. you heard he's in surgery right now, and it is not going to be his last surgery. so he has a long road to recovery. we are going to hope and pray for as good of a recovery as we can possibly get. jacob is going to fight hard, no doubt about it, with the support of his wonderful family that you see behind me. but that type of rehabilitation and recovery, it's not free. and so part of what we need to do on jacob's behalf, in light of the travesty that happened on sunday is we have to bring a civil lawsuit, and we're going to be doing that, among other things, to accomplish several goals. one is, of course, to hold the wrongdoers accountable for this injustice. the second is to get jacob the resources that he will need. he's a young man. he's got decades of life ahead of him. and what he needs now and what the civil justice system provides for under these circumstances is the best possible medical care to absolutely maximize his recovery. and so we're going to fight for him for that. and then, of course, finally, the fact that due process under the law, something that jacob was not afforded in that situation, clearly, and that dignity and humanity and compassion, which is how policing ought to be practiced in this country, that it be applied to jacob, no different than it is applied to me. because we can all wonder that if all else being equal, would i have been treated that way? so those are the things we're going to fight for. now i'll pass it back to mr. crump and mr. lamar. >> thank you so much, patrick. now you'll hear from milwaukee native deavery lamar. wonderful attorney who has come from this city. >> thank you attorney crump. attorney ivory lamar representing the blake family along with the legal team you see. i want to first start by thanking all the supporters locally as well as nationally for all the prayers, support you've shown this family. they are very grateful for the many acknowledgements that you have provided. the question that we have, that we charge america with is, how many more examples of police brutality do we need to effectuate change? how many more? how many more marches do we have to partake in to get change? we have a clear example. if george floyd wasn't clear enough, today we stand before you with another one. another example. today is about accountability. and it starts locally, and we've talked before about how local issues become national issues. today we want to see how the kenosha police department is going to respond to another event of police brutality. how long is it going to take to terminate this -- the officers that were involved in this tragedy? how long? we're within the first 48 hours right now. let's see if our marching, let's see if our advocacy is making a change. because we don't need any more examples. heaven is full to its capacity with victims who have been taken at the hands of law enforcement. it's at capacity. and that's probably one of the reason yes jas why jacob lives . so we ask now for change. we ask for everyone's continued support. we're demanding the police department to take swift action. we ask for transparency. we ask for our local and governmental officials to act swiftly to enforce legislation. it's not so much about creating new legislation. it's about enforcing what's on the books now. and that's what we call for. that's what this family wants. and we will not stop until we get it. black lives matter, and it's very expensive. it's very expensive. and you will see the expense that the taxpayers have the burden on when you do not hold law enforcement accountable for their actions. america, this is the time for change. we have a group of local activists in milwaukee who have marched from milwaukee that are headed their way to d.c. as we speak. this is not a local issue. this is a national issue. i will join attorney ben crump this week in d.c. as we march on washington to protest the same -- these very same issues. america, we're watching. the world is watching. let's make a change. thank you. >> thank you, attorney lamarr, and thank you attorney salvi for giving details about his medical status. you know, the one thing that the doctor said to julia and the family was there were these surgeries. and even though he is stable, they are very concerned about bacterial meningitis when you have to have multiple surgeries. julia and i and the family, we were hopeful that he wouldn't have to have the surgery. went to see him today. and was surprised to learn that they had to rush him into surgery. so please continue to pray for h him. remember, as attorney lamarr said, the march on washington, the commitment march that took place that is being convene d i the aftermath of the killing of george floyd, breonna taylor and ahmaud arbery. and i know reverend al sharpton and martin luther king iii was questioned over and over again about having this march at this time during the covid pandemic. and they said to me, attorney crump, we can't lose this moment. we can't lose this moment to confront this other pandemic of racism and discrimination, especially in policing in america. and so it's so profound that the week leading up to the march on washington, the commitment march, talking about policing in america, that we offer two more exhibit exhibits -- two more exhibits within 48 hours of each other in vivid detail, on video. when you look at the video in lafayette, louisiana, where treyford and how ten officers followed him and shot him 11 times and killed him. that was exhibit one. right here, attorney salvi and kenosha, wisconsin, we give you exhibit two. blake senior and julia's son shot at least seven times because of brutal excessive force. a lack of humanity just like the lack of humanity that we saw with george floyd. brutal excessive force. seven times in the back, point-blank range. i think reverend al and martin luther king iii will find every desire to do so, have exhibits, while we have to have this march to change the culture and the behavior of policing in america before we have another unarmed black person killed unjustifiably. and we have yet another hash tag that we're meeting while another city is burning and under protests. how many more? that's why we're marching on washington. i know members of the blake family have been invited to join george floyd's family, breonna taylor's family and other families. so we can make the case that we love our children, too. that we don't want to continue to have to bury our children. julia doesn't want to have to sit with her child for the next weeks, months, years while they go through rehab. these little boys, these three little boys, are going to have psychological problems for the rest of their life. can you imagine what his 8-year-old son who was celebrating his birthday is going to think about every time he has his birthday? the pain in his father. can you imagine? this is real. this is real, america. this is real. this is what we have to endure every day being profiled by the people who are supposed to protect and serve us. at this time, we're going to hear from his sister letetra wideman. >> i am my brother's keeper. and when you say the name jacob blake, make sure you say father. make sure you say cousin. make sure you say son. make sure you say uncle. but most importantly, make sure you say human. human life. let it marinade in your mouth, in your minds. a human life. just like every single one of y'all. and we're human. and his life matters. so many people have reached out to me telling me they're sorry that this happened to my family. well, don't be sorry because this is going to happhas been hy family for a long time. longer than i can account for. it happened to emmett till. emmett till is my family. to orlando, mike brown, sandra. this has been happening to my family. and i shed tears for every single one of these people that it's happened to. this is nothing new. i'm not sad. i'm not sorry. i'm angry. and i'm tired. i haven't cried one time. i stopped crying years ago. i am numb. i have been watching police murder people that look like me for years. i'm also a black history minor. so not only have i been watching it in the 30 years that i've been on this planet, but i've been watching it for years before we were even alive. i'm not sad. i don't want your pity. i want change. >> thank you. you sense the pain and the reality that this is real, america. i know a lot of you are watching it on television in abstract, but for black america, this is our reality. and that's why we're having this commitment march. i was telling senator kamala harris and the congressional black caucus members, we have to pass this george floyd justice in policing accountability act. we have to. we can't let another day go by because every day is the potential of another hash tag. and i challenge anybody to tell me that i'm not speaking facts. that it might be another city and another state that seems like the screen, the scripted narrative is the same. unarmed black person killed unjustifiably. the police shoot first and figure out how to justify it later. and oh, by the way, we got the legal system in our back pocket. they'll figure out how to justify it. this is real. at this time, we'll hear from his sister megan belcher. >> i'm the baby. i'm his meagle beagle. he was my light. i'm not crying because i'm sad. i'm crying because i know how upset he is that his family is upset right now. not that he's -- not because where he is, but because his family is hurting. he loves his family. you all took him from his family because you all stood by and let it happen. i just want my brother. i just want my brother. >> thank you, megan. and finally, we'll hear from his sister zaitha blake. >> for as long as i can remember, me and my brother were like twins. that's my twin. looked exactly the same. people used to joke at us like, you look like a boy version of him. he looks like the girl version of you. you know, we got a lot of insiders, a lot of things just between us because we're like this. to know that i just can't pick up the phone and call my brother and joke with him before we go to bed like we do just about every night, i can't call and see what he's doing with the kids because he's very active with his children. his kids are his world. but not only that, his family is his world. and like my little sister said, he's upset because we're hurt. we're upset. he doesn't even care about hisself. he's more worried about us. he was not treated like a human that day. he was treated like some foreign object that didn't belong. how much more inhumane treatment are we going to have to deal with before the world makes a change? something's got to change. i don't care how he comes out of this. i'm just grateful that he's alive because all these other stories, the big difference is, they didn't make it. but my brother made it because he is a survivor. why do you think this keeps happening? >> deliberate indifference. absolutely deliberate indifference. people question why we have to say black lives matter, this is why. because julia and jacob sr's son was not treated with the humanity we often give our white brotherss and sistersnd if and d brothers and sisters. and it has to stop at the highest levels of our government. that really is what this is about. people at the top saying, police, we cannot allow this to happen. prosecutor prosecutors, we cannot allow this to happen. judges, we cannot allow this to happen any more. we can not turn a blind's eye to the deliberate indifference shown to george floyd, breonna taylor, rayshard brooks, trayvon martin, the list goes on and on. . s. and now julia's only biological son is the latest example of this deliberate indifference that america shows to black people. and so, it's going to take a lot of prayer, thank god for pastor boyd and this family, they're a prayering family, to not only try to heal him but also to try to heal his children, his family and this community. next question. >> the department of justice is investigating this and the question is what happened to the minutes and seconds leading up to the altercation can you offer a timeline what the family understands occur in those key moments. >> the facts haven't been confirmed yet. they've given statements to the police. the police haven't given the statements to the family. it's ironic how that happens. they want them to talk but they won't talk. what we're demanding is transparency. if there's dash cam video, we want you all to get it. because this family has already asked for answers, have gotten none. we have schedule a call to the governor and we want to thank the governor for assisting the attorneys and our legal team in at least letting julia see her baby. i mean, you're talking about, just insult on top of injury, she was denied the opportunity to see her boy initially, right pastor boyd, and they were turned away at the hospital. so we're going to talk to him and we're going to ask -- before saw keep demanding stuff from this family, why don't you demand something from these police officers that shot him at least seven times in the back. what was their justification. and it's so strange, it's so crazy mr. blake, that when there's video of certain people in the community they say, oh, that's all we need to arrest somebody and charge somebody. when it's them doing something nefarious to a person of color they say, oh, no, no, don't just take the video, you got to put it in context, don't have a rush to adjustment. but -- to adjustment. to judgement. didn't they rush to judgement when they shot down treyvayvon martin and rayshard brooks, i mean, breonna taylor. i mean, why the double standards? we can't have two justice simms in america. -- systems in america. we have to have a justice system for everybody. >> does jacob know what is going on or have a message. >> he does not know what is going on. when i was able to see him -- i'm grateful that opportunity was finally open to me -- firstes looked at me and cried and began to say, i'm sorry about all this. i don't really think he knows what happened at this point. he's not there yet. i asked him jacob, did you shoot yourself in the back? he looked at me and he said no. i said then why are you sorry. he says because i don't want a burden on anybody. i want to be with my children. i don't think i'm going to walk again, mom. >> hold, hold, hold on, mr. blake -- mr. blake is going to see his son for the first time, he just got into town. you want to say anything -- [ inaudible ] >> we have question? >> -- do you have confidence -- >> no, no i do not. anybody that is white, that is doing an investigation about a black, young man that was shot seven times in his back and haven't come up with an answer or a comment at this point! is not -- is not welcome. is not welcome! >> go ahead sarah. >> background has nothing to do with it. >> shh, go ahead. >> can you give us an idea how the children are doing who witnessed all this. >> they are -- they are stuck right now. we're going to seek out some of the best child psychologists in the united states. and we're going to work with them and let the whole picture that it plays over and over in front of their little faces, all my grandson asks repeatedly is why did the police shoot my daddy in the back? >> grabbed his shirt. >> how would you feel if your white son walked up to you as a mother, and said mommy, why did the police shoot my daddy in the back, you have no clue. >> we are demanding that the prosecutor arrest the officer who shot jacob blake and we also are asking that these officers who violated the policies and their training be terminated immediately. >> immediately. >> all right, last -- okay -- now -- we'll address that -- it's always after they try to assassinate us in person they did try to assassinate our character and the reality is they know nothing about jacob before that moment that they made that decision. last question? >> what has jacob been able to say to you guys about what happened? what has he been able to say. >> nothing. he's not there yet. i do want to say -- >> -- he's in a lot of pain. >> say that again. >> he's in a lot of pain and on a lot of pain med fact. he has some lucidity but not completely but we look forward to that discussion. >> julia is asking this last question about what he was able to say to them. >> he -- when i began to pray for him, he told me to stop. he ask the police officer that was in the room with us if he was a man of faith. he responded yes, in short. he asked him to pray with uggs. he asked him to pray with us. the three of us prayed together. >> that's it. come on. >> we have been watching a powerful and emotional and tragically all-too-common scene, a grieving black family coming to the microphones and answering questions about their son. it fell to jacob blake's mother julia jackson, jacob blake's father jacob sr and jacob blake's three sisters, to put a human face on another police shooting. this one in wiscons wisconsin. >> bullets went through his spineal cord, holes in his stomach and colon, small intestin intestines, kidney and liver were injured. he was shot in the arm. he is in surgery at this hour again. lawyers are calling on civil lawsuit. lawyers calling for calm. saying it is what jacob would want. he's still alive on a good deal of pain medicine, which makes him, while conscious, in and out, and not anyone -- e -- not able to fully recount everything that happened to him. his mothers and sisters calling for change as so in families do as their mom, grave horror agrif of what just happened to them, hoping their words would spare other from their pain. saying quote, if jacob knew what was going on, the violence and destruction he'd be very unpleased. want to bring in our guests -- i don't want to rush through this. i do want to start with the pain of jacob's parents and sisters. rev. >> i talked to his father last nig night, his father, which is jacob's grandfather a civil rights leader who ironically i knew as a young kid, and it was so emotional. as much as i've gone through this, for him to keep saying to me what he said to the nation today, that is, why would they shoot my son in the back, holding on to the back of his t-shirt? when is this going to stop, reverend? the father was on his way, calling for this friday anyway, he is ed i never thought i'd be coming for my son. when is it going to stop? that's why i think attorney crumb said it right. we have got to pass legislation that make it clear in this country that police are not above the law. malcom floyd malcom floyd george floyd policing act. already in front of the senate. e it would make police become felons if they commit crimes, if they opress against someone's ability to breathe, which george floyd and eric gardener went through. it would make themle liable. -- them liable. and they must be transparent in their background. we must make police understand they will pay and become felons if in fact this continues. in the 60's. we changed the law. when i was a little boy that was the movement i grew up studying. and we must have laws. there's been no legislative response to this error. to have george floyd, breonna taylor, audrey aubrey this must end and the congress must deal with it. and this yearedk. -- year, we have an election with 20 senate seats up, if ever there's a time to go for legislative change, now's the time. >> if you're just joining us, it's the top the hour in new york, we've been watching for the last 46 minutes a press conference from the family of jacob blake. the family jacob blake's father, jacob blake sr, jacob blake's mother julia jackson, three sisters, both flanked by three attorneys, representing the family, the now familiar face of ben crump, describing the injuries and the renewed call in this unthinkable hour calling for change. david henderson. >> i think part of what we're seeing right now six months ago i'd say we have a problem with nation's laws with policing and excessive force. we have a bigger problem i don't think our leadership understands, not at a national level, at a local level, that is, you can only push someone so far. that's true for individuals and also true for groups of people. people like myself will typically say trust the justice system, let it run its course and justice will ultimately be achieved. it's difficult to make that argues umt when breonna taylor's killers haven't been addressed five months after the fact. when we watch this family talk about jacob blake being shot in the back by police officers it's impossible to separate it from a series of wrongful police actions that occurred on videos we've seen throughout the summer. we've also seen peaceful protests attacked in multiple cities and people are left with no choice. when you push individuals too far it's when society reaches a breaking point. it's difficult to compartmentalize that issues when we have someone thinks it's appropriate to enact their own vision of law and order. i don't think it could be written more poetically for future history books, given it's occurring during the week of political conference, we'll hear that type of i receipt riblgt -- that type of rhetoric as we did last night. >> i want to show you jacob's mother speaking in increedly powerful terms about what jacob would want. >> i really asking and encouraging everyone in wisconsin and abroad, to take a moment and examine your hearts. citizens, police officers, firemen, clergy, politicians, do jacob justice on this level and examine your hearts. we need healing. >> i'm never not in awe at the strength that a family can draw on in the darkest hour of their lives. david? >> you don't realize how inadequate our laws are in this arena until you have to explain them to communicate's parents, especially to someone's mom. and i can only pray that the public is moved by her words and can imagine what it's like for her to have to be able to speak those types of words in light of what happened to her son. it's a matter of common sense, you can't shoot people in the back. and if it wasn't a police officer doing it, the individual would already be arrested and we'd be deciding the charges to be assessed against them but we've carved out a number of exception to police officers, qualified immunity with respect to civil law suits and -- part of the reason we're seeing unrest, that in a country the laws are written by and for the people, when people are exposed to the laws, they should appeal to common sense, not only is the public enraged in seeing what happened to i haveds like jacob blake they're more upset when they find out how inadequate the law is for achieving justice and alaska civil rights lawyer i have to acknowledge his mother can reach more of the public than i can and i hope the public gives that opportunity. >> rev, ben crump made a point of talking at length about the march this friday and you talked about how jacob's father was pl planning to be there anyway. i wonder if you could tell me your understanding of the fact pattern and if the police officer had his hand on the shirt why was his gun even out? >> that's the real question. there was no light extenuating circumstance. please are supposed only use deadly force as a last option or when it's a light extenuating circumstance. i don't know what the investigation will show but that video clearly shows this young man jacob was running away from the policeman. the policeman running behind him grabbed his t-shirt, why would he even have the gun out and then start firing in his back with his three kids in the car? what is there to deliberate about in terms of not only firing the policemen right away, but prosecuting them. to prosecute -- i'm not a lawyer but my understanding is all you need is probable cause, that video is enough probable cause right now to arrest those officers. because there was no defense there that they -- they were not under threat. that's why we are saying there must be federal laws. we cannot be protected and even demand protection unless we have enforcement. and what you have a mother with this kind of pain, 48 hours, 72 hours after her son was shot in the back like that, in front of her grandchildren, and she had the moral strength to stand up and say my son would not want violence and pray with a policeman with her paralyzed son in the hospital. how much does america need to see that people will take the higher road and yet get responded to on the lower road. this week we see vice president pence saying we with drew while going through this and we seen people featured the the republican convention last night that are under indictment for pointing automatic weapons at peaceful protesters yet we're the ones call the troublemaker when we stand up with people who say we don't want to see property damage, my parallel ielzed son don't want to be identified with that. it's time to decide whether we're going to be a nation that represents what is right or moral or who is right because they have the most weapons or most power. i think you saw a classic example. this woman showed the moral strength the civil rights movement before my time showed, she doesn't even know if those who did this will get punished. we'll hear this mopped even tonight i'm sure in the republican convention when you have this parade of people that act like questioning bad police is unamerican. nor to say to not question it is unamerican it shouldn't he a nation that condones people who are shot in the back in front of their children. >> we hear you loud and clear. we will work on the shot. i want to add to the conversation with our nbc news correspondent, from wisconsin what's the latest? >> i think you saw in that press conference one of the most extensive descriptions of jacob's health status was dire. you heard the family say that he likely will not walk again with the situation he's currently in surgery as we speak. but then you also got a sense that he is responding. he had the conversation with his mother that she described that she was making jokes with him, he was joking back with her, those are details we just haven't heard before this. another thing you heard is the lack of certainty about what exactly happened with the shooting. you know, we haven't heard much from the police in terms of where they are, what they know, since the original statement that came out on sunday. what was clear and confirmed by family attorney benjamin crump they don't know much more than we do. they heard the witness statements we heard but they have not got any more from the police department. they've given statements to the police department but this don't know any more than what we know and there's a lot of questions about the circumstances that led to that shooting. it was also very emotional press conference, talking about the three kids, listening and watching their father get shot and the eight-year-old asking why did the police shoot my daddy in the back. ? the emotion there was raw. and one other thing i want to point out is the point his mother made about the violence we've been seeing in the wake of his shooting. she mentioned driving around the streets of kenosha and you drive through downtown area you see windows boarded up as if a storm is coming. that's something one of the business owners mentioned to me. it's not just downtown, you go up town and saw blocks and blocks of businesses destroyed and above those businesses as i learned today are people's homes. so people are homeless based on the destruction that's there. she said the violence and destruction she's seeing across this neighborhood is not reflective of her son and of the family and she prareally condem that and wanted to speak against that. i will end on the point what we'll see tonight. we know we can continue to expect protests as people continue to call for answers and accountability. you are also seeing a bigger response from the government. governor tony ebers is escalating the national guard mobilization he announced yesterday, instead of 125 guard members will be closer to 250. we're seeing law enforcement say that they are planning, i was listening to a council meeting that said they've been talking to the mayor getting questions saying they are stepping up their enforcement to make sure that people out on the streets remain safe and to avoid that destruction we saw. people are hoping it is a calmer night and i can tell you many people here want the focus to be on jacob blake and the shooting they're outraged about, the video we've all seen at this point they want that to be the focus. they're hoping that he at least tonight once we get past peaceful protest instead of violence that you have some calm, they want that call to humanity to be internalized by people who have been on the streets past two nights. >> some remarkable reporting there on the ground. and drawing our attention to exactly the right place. jacob's three children. let's talk about that, joining us now, california democratic congresswoman, and chair of the congressional black caucus. we walked the press conference here together and the pain of jacob's parents his father, jacob blake sr there at the end in the q&a describing his eight-year-old grandson asking over and over about what he keeps seeing in his head over and over again, police officers shooting his dad. i know there's still facts and pieces to be filled in, what are your thoughts after hearing from this family in their moment of grieve? >> well, you know, when i hear from families like that it certainly triggers my own grief as a parent who lost children under different circumstances. but that is just undescribable and there's a certain numbness in which you forge ahead. but i also just feel this profound sadness because how many more times do we have to go through this? you know someone else was shot. tray ford pellerin in the state of louisiana were shot 11 times in the back, these killings are his murder and jacob's injury, are were within hours of each other. >> i want to play some of jacob's mother they talk about what was going on. let me play more from his parents. >> they shot my son seven times! seven times. like he didn't matter. but my son matters. he's a human being and he matters. >> this family spent a lot of their energy today trying to rehumanize the conversation and i know our politics are fraught and polarized and they're angry, but where are we, if a family in their hour of need has to remind everyone that their boy is human. >> well, you know, i mean, it shows how profound the statement black lives matter is. and some people who still don't understand it. i'm so glad though that there is now this society-wide awareness as to why that statement is even necessary. because it shouldn't be necessary. but the fact of the matter is that in our history a part of our history that we don't like to acknowledge, black people have not mattered. and when you see somebody shot down in the way he was, here he was breaking up a fight. the officer pulls his shirt and fires at the same time. what possible threat could he have represented? his children obviously weren't worthy. the problem is that we know this does not happen in an equal matter across society. i always go back to dillon ruth who killed nine people, massacred nine people in mother emmanuel church in south carolina, when they arrested him, it was a i peaceful arrest and on the way to the police station they were kind enough to get him lunch. he killed nine people. this man broke up a fight. and so we know that this does not come down in an equal manner and it's why black people and now so many others just feel burdened by the weight of having to live this over and over and over again. >> congresswoman, the press of the united states donald trump is running on a platform of preserving monuments to the confederacy, his son gave a speech last night with explicit overtures to keeping our heritage and history in place. how central do you think this conversation is right now? and are we not being honest enough about exactly what the choice is in november? >> i think we could be a lot more honest. we could go back and review a little history, the george wallace campaign for president and how it was an openly racist campaign and that's exactly what this president is doing with all of his supposed language about the suburbs which is just a way of saying be wear, because black and brown and asian and native american people are going to overrun your neighborhoods. we understand what he is saying and because he cannot take responsibility for the 177,000 dead americans because he cannot take responsibility for the state of our economy and the other disasters he's created on the international front. he resorts to the lowest common denominator in our society and that is tragically the issue of race. so here you have the commander-in-chief wanting to protect monuments of people who committed treason. makes no sense at all. we should call it for what it is, which is appealing to racism because you're so desperate to get reelected. >> we'll start right now, donald trump's campaign is appealing to racism because he's desperate to get reelected. my last line of questioning for you, are you worried that in the grief and in the madness, that the violence that breaks out will be exploitsed by the other side? >> i'm deeply worried about that, absolutely. and i also question the violence. i mean, the overwhelming majority of the protests, you know this, have been absolutely peaceful, but when there is violence it most definitely be exploited even when that violence is not committed by the protesters. you know there's been examples of right-wing elements infiltrating. there was a murder that took place in oakland, california, and they thought it was socioiated with the protests but it wasn't. i'm deeply worried about that and absolutely plead with the protesters to keep it peaceful. we cannot have this issue turned on us in a negative way and this man get reelected again. >> congresswoman karen bass a privilege to talk to you any day, especially today and same with our guests thank you for spending time with us. when we come back, hours away from night two, donald trump's g.o.p. convention and more and more republicans are racing for the exits. that's next. >> tech: at safelite, we're here for you with safe, convenient service. >> tech: we'll come right to you. ♪ upbeat music >> tech: you'll get a text when we're on our way. >> tech: before we arrive, just leave your keys on the dash. we'll replace your windshield with safe, no-contact service. ♪ upbeat music >> tech: and that's service you can trust when you need it the most. ♪ upbeat music >> tech: schedule at safelite.com. ♪ upbeat music >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ hthat cannot be extinguished.s to stir that fire, university of phoenix is awarding up to one million dollars in scholarships through september. see what scholarship you qualify for at phoenix.edu. simon pagenaud takes the lead at the indy 500! coming to the green flag, racing at daytona. they're off... in the kentucky derby. rory mcllroy is a two time champion at east lake. he scores! stanley cup champions! touchdown! only mahomes. the big events are back and xfinity is your home for the return of live sports. 6r7b8g9s a. 6r7b8g9s a a high level g.o.p. revolt playing out on day two of the republican convention as they rush to the exit from politico -- with this to say -- with this to say -- that's just one of two groups of defecting republicans making headlines today. for the other from officials from donald trump's homeland security department launching another ant "-trump group including calls from inside the trump administration to elect joe biden over donald trump. politico adding this -- the republican revolt from donald trump's cult of personal protective equipment is where we start t of personal protective equipment is where we star of personality is where we start today. our guests now joining us -- including politico magazine chief political correspondent, tim, your open yesterday was mesmerizing and i want to read a little bit from it. donald trump's party is the very definition of a cult of personality. it represents no detailed vision for governoring filling the vacuum is a lazyide-based pop lao that lowest common denominator has been on display so far in this convention but i want to ask you about the split screen, all of the people leaving, not just never-trumpers, people like myself from the last bush administration but people inside this administration. >> yeah that's pretty remarkable, nicole. you know as well as anyone who has worked in the white house that you're always going to have discontented staff and some folk who's make noise and grumable on their way out or even while they're still there but this idea, as my colleague daniel litman was reporting you will have multiple officials working from the inside to sabotage president's reelection campaign is extraordinary and that additional detail one of them revealing their identity closer to election day, if you wanted a reality-show presidency, you got it. and it cuts both ways. the president obviously has used it to his own advantage, politically and other times but now you're seeing the flip side. >> peter you covered some of the political organizations in which i worked and was always my sense that what you guys saw was a tip of what was going on under the surface. in moments of crisis. if we're seeing all this now, if we're seeing people coming out talking about really confirming, i think it was "new york times" reporting about pardons being dangle in front of senior homeland security officials, if you break the law i'll pardon you, trump said, i believe your colleague andy report that months ago, if you have so many people pulling the fire alarm inside what does that suggest is going on? >> yeah that's a great point, nicole. you're right. having covered this and three other white houses, the one thing i learned over time is whenever you see, you know, public evidence of discord or disharmony or conflict it's almost always a small sliver of what is really going on and often don't worry about it until the memoirs come out. >> or when you right book s about it. >> -- write books about it. >> hopefully, exactly. if you are seeing this already imaginesin what it must be like inside a wheaton. inside the white house that knows the is double deficit digits behind the challenger and has less and less time to recover that is filled with intrigue and palace and sniping, so forth and has been from the beginning, has been the characteric of this white house, tribal rivalries playing out in a much more public fashion than in a lot of white houses, it's almost kind of fitting or at least not surprising that we would see this at the end since we saw it at the beginning. >> you know, i think it also puts people on the spot who knows everything myles taylor knows and more. where is secretary hr mcmaster was the first national security advisor and dina powell was in the oval office with russians, these are national security concerns articulated by former officials, where is everyone else? >> well, i think the question is, you know, who are they standing for? when i think about this white house which i agree with peter has been chaos from the beginning. the number of leaks that have come out of this white house has been rather extraordinary and i think even though some people are coming out now it's almost too little, too late. there was a time when, i think, for this presidency it would have done us all a lot of good to have their voices early on to put a check on the presidency, instead they remained quiet. and so, i don't know how much an effect this going to have in the long run, and i suspect that there are things that we're going to find out that will make our ears curdle. well, when we hear them. >> tim, you've written one of the best books about sort of, i don't want -- well, the end of the republican party as we've known it in our lifetime. i think you covered tim miller's career, he worked for jeb bush and is now running one of the most effective republican-oriented campaigns for joe biden and against donald trump. and he writes this -- he says, quote, the rnc taken what the party's worst critics had to say about them and decided to wear it as a patch of pride, the orange man badge, of political platforms, we're trumpists we believe in nothing, love it or leave it. could you think there's any shame to feel about that. bu rr is dealing with his own dell challenges, but anyone left not okay with that? portman is obviously fine to let this become his legacy. is there anyone in the mold of paul ryan, i remember all the careful reporting if your book about his policy-heartbreaking. as trump came in and was obviously ignorant and indifferent to all those conservative principles that paul ryan adhere to but are there any paul ryans left? anyone who cares? >> you know, nicole, i'll say this, it's not an accident that paul ryan retired after 2018 as i reported about at the time and wrote about in the book, he talked to people around him plainly and said look, i can't be in office if this guy's on the ballot again in 2020 i refew to be defending what he's doing or turning a blind eye, whatever one is worse. when you look at the 2020 republican party compared to 2016 republican party, obviously there's no question that the g.o.p. as a whole is a far more concentrated trump-friendly entity than it was four years ago. you know, mark sanford gone, justin left the party, bob corker gone, jeff flake gone and endorsed joe biden. the list goes on. there's been so many high-profile prominent republican defections over the past four years it leaves you with a party that is on one hand, yes, certainly much friendlier to trump and more disposed to being enabling of him, also, it leaves you with a party that sort of lacks the intestinal fortitude to stand up even at times some of these folks would otherwise feel compelled to because it would cost them their jobs we seen that play out time and time again. there's a handful left with strong feelings about trump and at some point will make those feelings known but for the majority of them right now don't feel it is worth it because in large part some of them are convinced he will lose in november and there's going to be a reckoning soon in the party and if they speak out against them now they will be pan issued from the party post-november. >> you know, peter, i want to ask about the political implications of in. -- of this. when you're running as a tv-guy, it's okay that george w. bush and president obama's defense secretary chooses the other candidate who was secretary of state. it is okay if you're running as a tv guy to have the military voice concern about you. but when you are running as the incumbent president of a nation that lost 180,000 americans to a global pandemic that was solvable, we didn't have to be the country that did the worst with covid and if you're running as president rebuked by former security advisor and secretary of can defense and joint chiefs who participated in the photo op it's a different indictment when you leave the government that's attacking you. >> right but he doesn't think he's leaving the government that is attacking him. >> what's he think he's doing? >> he's running as the outsiders and guy taking on the deep state, happens to be doing it from the oval office. it may not be tenable. as you say it is not something an incumbent of a second term could pull off. when i say end, i mean if it is end of the first term, we don't know. don't want to jump too far. . i can't think of any incumbent who run s as an outsiders, as a challenger, the government himself off the fenciblely -- e - it's a feat maybe only he can pull off because in four years as president he's never actually accepted he was in charge of the government. right. he thinks he can do whatever he can under article 2 but he's constantly been at war with the law enforcement, intelligence agency, the state department, sometimes inside his own white house. just this week he's quoted in "the wall street journal" saying he still feels like an outsiders even within his own party. and tim chronicled that well in his book and his pieces. this is still someone that has effected a hostile take over of the republican party but yet to completely come to terms guys that. >> the only thing i differ with peter on is it is his job, as much as i wish it wasn't, he is the country's commander in chief, he's been rebuked by the officials i named and all of the people coming out now to add momentum to joe biden's convention week, are the people that work for him or used to work for him and left after what they saw. it is more than just saying i've still got my outsiders cred. he's the most briefed. he has access to the most sensitive state secrets and is the commander in chief of our country's miller and everyone that has left has denounced him. >> i mean, there is the rub, i think peter has it right, that this is a president, you can see from this convention that is clearly running as the grievance, at grieved outsiders, the challenger, the one who is the under dog, and i don't know whether he can pull it off, but that clearly is the campaign that he's running so it seems entirely appropriate if you're going to run that kind of message campaign to your base that believes the same than you will continue to butt up against a government that you control, a government that you've been running for three and half years. you continue to attack the previous administration when you had the reign for three and half years, but that's the kind of campaign that donald trump is running. and i think that these republicans who are coming out now are doing it in the hopes to put humpty dumpty back to together to rebuild the republican party after this disaster and i don't think donald trump cares what he leaves in his wake. >> pleasure to talk to all of you. thank you for spending some time with us. when we come back, messages of angry and warnings about joe biden's america, who are trump speakers trying to appeal to? 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>> well, nicole, i agree with you, one of two things is happening, either trump and his campaign understand they have a lot of work to do to get their base running, one, or this is all they know. >> yeah. >> they don't have it in their tool box to appeal to the middle. i think last night, the only speech you might suggest a suburban voter who left trump or senior in florida who is now with biden my listen was tim scott's. >> right. >> i think everything else was speech for the base. at the end of the day trump is who matters. you could have ronald reagan and george w. bush give speeches but what trump says at the end will matter than all combined. that's the real question. will we see something different from trump on thursday f we go, is he going to carry it forward the rest of the campaign. strategy is at play here. they were screaming last night they don't like where the base is in this election. >> i had that feeling too. if you could watch these nights with your head not your gut, through the screaming and through the fear p-mongering, was their fear. that that coalition that shocked them. they really didn't expect to win four years ago. but what comes through in this convention program is almost disorienting. i mean, they're hanging on tighter now than they were four years ago. i guess i just wonder, they're launching the same attacks, they're running against someone totally and completely different. i mean, joe biden came out right after the murder of george floyd and said this is a tragedy, we're going to get on it. i do not support defending the police. my question is about how sticky the lies are, not with their base, we know the base buys it, but with the people they need to add. >> well, it's a great question, nicole. when you look at the history of political attacks, sadly i started, i'm sure you as well, they have to have a shred of credibility to be effective so joe biden doesn't scare people. it's like donald trump and donald trump jr. and kimberly and all these people finally accept they're hemorrhaging voting the suburbs so the crude answer is joe biden will eliminate suburbs and have ms13 living nemt to you. the suburban voters are not worried about ms13 they're worried about the coronavirus, their jobs, their small businesses, their kids who aren't back at school and trump's lack of character and empathy. they're trying to scare people instead of trying to eblgt correct the main hit to the engine which is trump's performance in office. >> i keep thinking it is a profound misunderstanding of the suburbs. you know who lives the in the suburbs? all the people who could afford to leave the city when the pandemic took out our cities because of trump's failures, they now moved to the suburbs. suburbs are more liberal than four years ago and are more diverse than they've ever been and they're running on calling people in the suburbs keep talking about suburban housewives and making them less diverse, frankly, there's more diversity and people from the cities living in the suburbs now than ever. >> yeah, it's like, this would be an awesome, awesome convention in like '92. but it really doesn't work for 2020. the suburbs are full of black, brown, tan people and middle-class folks who's can't afford to live in million-dollar condos in the city. i live in the suburbs. suburbs are where you have bi lingual burger kings and mcdonald's so he is talkingcdon. donald trump is talking about parents who go to school can three or four different kinds of races and they come home, he doesn't even know the country he's talking to at this point. but i think yesterday and i agree with tim scott. i was able to e hear him after i cleared my ears after kimberly was yelling at me, but by the time they got to tim scott last night, that was one of the most compelling speeches i saw, but here's the problem with it and this is what i think demonstrates the fact that trump doesn't even know what his base is anymore. tim scott was there to make suburban white people, urban white people and middle class black people take a different look at donald trump, but nothing he said resonated with the reality that we're seeing outside. people are still losing jobs. people still afraid of covid, people can't go to the movies so when scott xwifs this baritone, donald trump has cared more for black people, it doesn't look like that's the case. that's what i thought was strange. this entire rnc doesn't fit the reality viewers are e sseeing. the ratings were terrible. >> the other thing happening in the suburbs is kids aren't going back to school because of trump's failures to have same day testing in place for teachers and kids. they tried to recite writhe some of that, then donald trump even in a scripted tape performance managed to invoke hydroxychloroquine. >> yeah, i thought that entire segment, i'm thinking back, i don't know, like 20 years ago, i was a kid. i remember seeing libby dole, got off the stage, i think the it was like '96 and went out and talked to people. this warm, amazing oprah moment. this was his opportunity to do that. he talked to regular people, but rather than him saying i care about you, i'm concerned about your kids, how's your work doing, it was a praise fest. like a bunch of clones of mike pence. everything had to sit there and worship the president and that's not what the american people want to hear. they want to hear that i'm rolling up my sleeves and it'm going to make sure your kids can go back to school and you can visit your family by thanksgiving because covid's going to be gone. they failed to present a message about how the dangers and traumas that america's dealing with today are dwoipg going to change anytime soon. that's not even your base. your base is suffering because they haven't been able to work and haven't got an $600 check from the government in about a month. >> and can't get a same day covid test to see if they can go back to the office. two of the smartest people on the planet on these topics. thank you so much for spending some time with us. when we come back, remembering lives well lived. come back, remg lives well lived ♪ you must go and i must bide ♪ but come ye back when su-- mom, dad. why's jamie here? 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