I should say that ventilator hi, everyone. Its 4 00 in the east. Grim milestone reached today as triaj rationing is something deaths from coronavirus that many places are talking about, thats happening in surpassed those in the attacks italy. Horrible stories of not having of 9 11. Enough ventilators and critical the coronavirus death toll, the care space and actually number confirmed infections in implementing rationing to my the u. S. Is now over 180,000. Knowledge, its very much in the planning or preparing stage here. Concerns shift to how better protect the men and women in you know, there will some this battle, doctors, nurses and decisions being made about medical professionals the new conserving those resources. The farthest i know the triggers york times reports on their plight. Being pulled havent exactly quote, the coronavirus pandemic which has infected more than happened yet on an official level. 30,000 people in new york city you know the emergency room is is beginning to take a toll on busier this week, absolutely, those who are most needed to and dr. De souzas colleagues combat it. The doctors, the nurses and other workers at hospitals and are trying to force her to take a little bit of break every once clinics. In. In a while. Emergency rooms and intensive these people are yeah, its care units, typically decision so tough and theyre so dedicated. Passionate medical professionals they do have to pace themselves. Are feeling panicked as this is a marathon. It really is. Increasing numbers of colleagues it really is. I want to add to our are getting. One doctor at a major new york City Hospital described it as a conversation, my colleague, a story that broke today, first petri dish, where more than 20 broken by the San Francisco chronicle that reported on an on workers had fallen sick. Extraordinary play from the two nourses in City Hospitals captain of an Aircraft Carrier have died, quote, i feel like with more than 100 sailors were all just being sent to onboard infected with slaughter, said thomas riley, a coronavirus. The captain begging in a nurse at Jacobi Medical Center fourpage letter to senior in the bronx, who has contracted military leaders for relief and resources in the situation that the virus, along with his he says is rapidly deteriorating. Were not at war, sailors do not husband. Being forced to make life and death decisions. Wall street journal, with need to die. If we dont act now, we are ventilators in short supply across new york city, perts and failing to properly take care of leaders at nyulangone hospital our most trusted asset our sailors. Courtney, what do you know about this really sad, but perhaps not how to allocate ventilators with Unsurprising Development . More critically injured yeah, i mean, nicolle, we patients. The warning last night from new York Governor Andrew Cuomo in an know the uss theodore roosevelt, interview with our colleague lawrence odonnell. They reported their first coronavirus last week. People think, well, new york, as soon as they tested positive thats new york. They flew them off the ship and theres nothing unique about new then they tried to do as much york here. Theres nothing unique about new contact testing. The reality is, these ships are yorkers immune system. Very tight quarter, nearly theres no american whos immune from this virus. Impossible to do all of the all youre seeing in new york contact testing and to scrub because of the density the every location such that you intensity of the place the virus wont have more of an outbreak. Well, thats what we saw in communicates faster, transfer pretty quick succession, the numbers increased and increase. Fasters, youll see all this we should expect that it should across the country, this is like a fire through dry grass with a continue to cogo up. Strong wind behind it. The navy, they brought the ship this virus communicates like into guam, into port, theyre nothing else we have seen. Now testing every sailor onboard, but the captains plea, really, new yorks just the test case for this. One of the things that stood out were in the canary in the coal to me was the fact that he said mine. I say to my colleague, governors that the testing is not actually across the country, watch whats working, that in fact the happening here because its testing every sailor is not coming to you. The only question is, when . Effective because some of them are testing negative, only to the crisis facing healthcare come forward one, two days later workers on the front line is presenting symptoms, when youre where we start today with dr. In a situation where people are patel and the New York Times in such tight quarters you have the vast majority of those reporter sharon. Sailors are sleeping in rooms dr. Patel, take us through not with multiple other sailors in just the protective gear thats required, not just the expertise there. Its impossible to have a quarantine situation. The captain was pleading with and the training required, but the navy to bring some of the take me through the emotional toll that treating patients and more of the sailors off to have more isolation. Patel, let me g treating the volume of patients today and whats expected is taking on our Healthcare Professionals . Thanks so much, nicolle, for the last wordyou, were putting a light on that issue. Still learning about whos most id be lying to you if i said it susceptible to becoming very, very sick, what we once thought didnt affect me personally. About young, Healthy People what i see personally and in my being immuned or safe is not colleagues its the same thing over and over, this feeling of true, how important is to surge helplessness not only for medical resources these sailors yourself, i think most healthcare workers have gotten quickly. Its incredibly important. Over it. But this feeling of helplessness this is happening in other when you have to admit patients crowded spaces like james, and they cant have any visitors and you know especially when one the cruise ship, absolutely out of every three or four have to go into an intensive care nicolle. These are americans who stood up unit they might die and theyll to defend all of us and it feels have nobody there to hold their like we have the ability to hand or say goodbye to them and actually take care of them, so that does weigh on you and youre 100 correct we need to volume, you mentioned volume the do this now and we also do need sheer number of people that to think about other spaces like were seeing and admitting and this in other parts of the then are kind of going through country where this exact the system so to speak is unlike scenario is happening right now. While i have you, i think a lot of people are confused about what they should to do to a anything anyone of us has seen before. Protect themselves. Are we supposed to be wearing its incredible, constant and in medical school we used to joke, masks is it safe to go to we could go 24 hours without Grocery Stores . Going to the bathroom, thats im laughing not because its not a joke. People arent eating, not sleeping. They come home and theyre funny, this become the topic du haunted by what they did or didnt do during the day. Your whether masks is an this is, again, not just important intervention. Bottom line, stay home. Doctors, i see it with charge thats the safest way to make nurses, with janitorial staff sure that you and all of us working in healthcare are who are being asked to clean the protected. But i will tell you that it does rooms as frequently as possible. Its everywhere. Feel like our country is having said that, theres an experiencing a little tilt where emotional strength and i think we are interested in thinking some of the other folks have about using masks id say when been covering it quite nicely, we start to see a peak and theres a spiritual kind of thinking about returning to some resilience that this too shall semblance of normal life, but as of today, keep the masks for pass and we should overcome. All of us go to bed and cry healthcare workers we need them every night, every night. And stay at home. Bottom line. Dr. Patel, sher fink, thank i have been reading your reporting for a long time, sherry, i dont know if anything you. Has struck me and sort of courtney. Thank you all for starting us reduced me to tears in your off. When we come back donald reporting on the hospital in trump versus the governors, take two, this time over testing. Brooklyn. Take me what you have seen. Which governors say their testing isnt where it needs to getting more intense, more of a be to keep their states safe. Grind. It is, unfortunately, and and cracks in Donald Trumps what dr. Patel said is right, theyre just continuing to work, base. Will more follow . Donald trumps problem with whats happened last week i spent time in the emergency room women, especially powerful women and then sort of followed who question his confidence. Patients through, they had a brandnew reporting from the New York Times about trumps tent where they are still war with women, the pandemic testing people, this week has version. All those stories coming up. Shifted into more of that really you doing okay . Very sick patients in the intensive care unit, so as time goes on, as the numbers of people get sick and then, of course, you get sick, theres an incubation period, you get sick and for those unlikely proportion of people who get critically ill thats what the hospitals are dealing with now, more and more people of those critically ill at the same time thats expanding the staffing, there are people getting sick, theres a shortage of staffing because of thatened the intensity level of the patients is higher, theyreprovide that where that Pressure Point is but theyre going was there it wasn hospital as usual. It was like hospitals i have been in during a hurricane, yes. This moving thing never gets any easier. 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Can you talk about the physical toll, not being able to go to the bathroom, the shortage of personal protective gear which means they dont take a break because they dont want to take it off and perhaps contaminate Something Else and use up more equipment . But this is going to be our new normal for a long time. Right, and nicolle, honestly, its the inability to kind of have that date certain. I mean, it would be one thing, all right, snap our fingers and june 1st things will go back to normal but the whole reason everybodys working literally 24 7 in some cases is because we have to get through this surge and then even when theres quote, decline or, you know, a lessening of the number of cases, its still about having the people that you have in the hospital and trying to make sure that they go through the Recovery Period and, by the way, there are 78,000 volunteers coming into the state of new york ready to help but they all, you know all these people have to learn how to work in teams, so its not just knowing how to do this with the personal equipment, its also dealing with the uncertainty so youre absolutely right. Can you talk about the models, i mean, its sort of a grim way to process what were all living through, the models on the death tolls on fellow americans that are expected to die under the best social distancing practices and dr. Birx said yesterday, if were perfect, 200,000 people will die what does that how do we literally, we are one day begin to contemplate what that away if we dont get test kits from the cdc then we wouldnt be will look like . Able to be tested in montana. How many people will get sick weve gone, time and time again, for 200,000 people to die . To the private side of this. For 200,000 people to die we the private market, in where the private market is telling us that its the National Resource know that we have to have, you that are then taking our orders apart. We dont have enough supplies to know, millions who at least have the virus and of that percentage do the testing. That will get sick and we know right, tony, you can it if already that if one out of every you want, but i havent heard three hospitalized people ends about testing in weeks. Up in the icu all those things weve tested more now than any just increase your chance of nation in the world. Weve got these great tests, and death and candidly, nicolle, we come out with another one thats were seeing a lot of tomorrow where, you know its people coming into the clinics and the Emergency Rooms who almost instantaneous testing. Really dont need to be there but i havent heard about te but that unfortunately is adding to the numbers that are kind of testing being a problem. Coming through the system. The nations lack of testing so 200,000 to die means that is now well documented. We spoke yesterday about how the country and the trump if youre going backwards thats administrations slow response millions of americans affected by this in some way, keep also at first resulted in a, quote, in mind, we havent done the lost month of fighting the type of testing you heard the virus. This morning, we heard from two governor of montana talk about other governors, one a how theyre running out of tests republican, two republicans, in a day so we havent in still available. Certain hotspots like new were not quite sure when this thing is going to peak and, orleans and like other areas, i have been tracking cities and you know, part of this is driven testing, we havent done by the that is correct we dont anywhere near enough testing to be certain about these numbers, have widespread testing. And that is not unique to ohio, so all these models, the data is with have seen that throughout the country. As good as the data coming in. Thats been a real challenge. I know theyve taken some boston, we may be seeing some steps to create new tests, but progress. In new orleans, were seeing theyre not actually produced numbers that are very troubling. And distributed out to the sheri, your reporting and the reporting of your colleagues in states. So its an aspirational thing the the New York Times tells and they have taken theyve got the story of the plight of the healthcare workers in such vivid some new things in the works. Terms, i wonder if youve been im joined now for this able to uncover through your reporting where the disconnect conversation, White House Reporter for the Associated Press jonathan lamiere and is, why there could be a debate between the white house and some Claire Mccaskill. Governors, mostly democratic lot of trumps public attacks governors, and people who are leading states where some of the have been only democratic hotspots are now, about whats governors and how fabulous the needed, about the numbers of testing is. The testing is not fabulous. Ventilators, about the amounts this is no longer a red blue of protective gears . Trump nontrump divide that he i mean, im not saying its easy can exploits. To tell their stories. These are governors but the information if doctors and nurses are willing to talk about what they need, theres a divide parts of the where do you think the breakdown country that have been impact is for them to get it . I mean, its hard, right, you bid this. The science points to the idea thats going to change. Got one thing the projection the on the tests its national modeling, every expert whos problem. State governors and state houses participating in those modeling from coast to coast have gone to exercises say, its a model, its an assumption, certainly we the white house we need better dont want to be not prepared equipment. Governor cuomo the focus has for some of the more worst case been on ventilators, respirators scenarios. Of course, as people change their behaviors, social and masks for workers in the distancing the numbers will decrease andlag, too, so you still see the hospitals. The other focus is on testing. Numbers going up for a while theres a belief, the new york before those, you know, measures show themselves at the hospitals times, had there been more because, again, that time lag adequate testing early on the between infection and getting United States response to this sick and then getting critically would be very different. From the white house, an effort ill, so thats one thing theres to keep the illness on the uncertainty, there are a range governors. The president himself has said of models, and the other the the federal government should be playing a backup role, that was differences between the i partially why he was so slow to mean, i have to be honest, im enact the defense production act. Governor inslee chided him, the not watching all press conference and youre not president needs to lead things, missing anything. What the states want and to be the star quarterback the tom brady if you will, not the you know, that extra factor even backup. But thats not how this when it leaves the federal president has conducted himself. Stockpiles gets to a state, then the final point over the weekend, when we floated this gets down to local level, health idea of the quarantine of the new york area, he didnt consult level, then out to units and patients theres a time lag there. You may literally have things the governors of new york, new going out, entering a supply jersey and connecticut. According to Governor Cuomo, chain and not feeling itssarily people were trying to leave the supply chain. So all of that is in the m loft city. The quarantine was unenforceable and the president backed away from the idea. Factors and it will show hes trying to put the onus on governors to be the front lines of defense. Only washington has the resources to fully handle, to manage this crisis. You know, claire, i used to ask trump insiders when he would say things about Robert Mueller being, you know, antitrump or the mueller investigators being angry democrats, if he really believed what he said, because it was apparent there would come a point his delusions, or his lies, fabrications really did threaten their lives. My colleague Rachel Maddow has made night after night. I havent heard anything about testing in weeks, a dangerous delusion or an intentional lie. I assume by default its a lie. He lies constantly to make himself look better in the moment without thinking about the consequences of that lie tomorrow, next week, next month, even next year. We also ought to pause for a moment and what leadership is at this moment. Im really proud of is the leadership of our governors who are in states that trump carried, mike dewine is a good example, you know, ohio was a trump state. Michigan is an example. Montana went for donald trump by double digits and that governor is on the ballot in november. And hes in a call being polite but adamant about the facts in his state thats called leadership. Thats called courage. I mean, with all due to respect to the leaders in very blue states who are calling out the president thats political in their interest also, i know theyre not doing that for that reason. My governor is refusing to issue a statewide order because hes trying to be trumpian in the way he handles this because this was a very big trump state. Those governors who have been that bright light of im looking after my state and not of my politics it would be nice if we could get the president to emulate that kind of leadership. Claire, i mean, you had to do just that, not with the president like donald trump when you were a senator, i mean, what does that start to look like . It goes both ways. You have to continue to see republicans, like Governor Hogan and governor dewine be tough on him and it would appear to continue to see democrats come out of that closet if you will and not be driven by politics, is that the way forward, the way through . My state had the biggest increase last week, 600 . Today, we had our biggest surge we had, over 300 new cases, we still dont dont have a statewide order for distancing for closing businesses and for closing schools. On top of that, my state like many of these other republican states didnt expand our medicaid. Speaking of life support, our rural fingernails. Its really important for governors like my governor, the governor in florida, governor in tex texas, not worry about trump but worry about the people they respect. The doctors are begging these governors to introduce these orders. The Business Leaders in missouri, same thing is going on in florida and in texas. Why these governors wont step up in the light of reality they face, doing whats right, and quit worrying about whether or not trump is going to approve. I want to ask you about how trump sees himself. Its apparent from those briefings that he looks at himself in the polls that he likes, any awareness that compared to the other leaders, the governors who are stepping up, the people in red states like governor bullock, speaking truth to this president , Governor Cuomo out there day after day after day, everything trump isnt, honest, brave, full of facts and information. Any sense to americans feelings about governors hes doing very poorly politically . Theres never been president more mindful of his Media Coverage than this one. We have been carefully watching. What other governors are saying about him, theres a real fear, chill in state houses across the nation for fear of offending the president what impacts what kind of aid washington hands out to their state. Hes gone toe to toe with the governor of michigan as just mentioned as one example. Others have taken trying to take, approach of flattery. Governor newsom has praised the federal response. The president himself closely watches this. Particularly Governor Cuomos briefings who become a staple on this channel. Hes told people, hes impressed with how the governor has handled those briefings behes also walking this fine line, this is all about the president s reelection as well. As we wrote today hes trying to balance the idea of being wartime president , that calls for sacrifice, you cant embrace that moniker and ask the nation to rally around you if you play down the threat of the pandemic, one reason he backed off the easter deadline. He saw these images from the new york hospital. He was monitoring his reelection chances and realized how dangerous it would be for his november bid if things were to suddenly get back over the next few months. Thats affected his tone as well. To this point, hes been uniquely trump. Were expecting him again to take the podium again with the hour and it will undoubtedly be at lo of cheerleading same the federal governments ahead of the game, theyve got a handle on things. It passes the prolose, a denial of how bad things are and how bad they could get. All right, after the break, nobodys going anywhere. On the other side of the big, a loud crack in trumps base of support. Stay with us. T. Stay with us woman somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right past them because she didnt know they were talking to her. deborah i just could not hear. I was hesitant to get the hearing aids because of my short hair, but nobody even sees them. avo our nearly invisible hearing aids are just one reason weve been the brand leader for over 70 years. deborah when i finally could hear for the first time, i started crying. I could hear everything. avo call 1800miracle to start your 30 day riskfree trial and schedule your free hearing evaluation today. We here know this isnt right. You get the guys in the met ro row politan area, ask the firemen right now, asking those ambulance calls if its right now, ask the doctors and nurses if its right right now, they know its not. They dont have the supplies they need. So dont give me the pillow guy doing a song and dance on the monday afternoon. Get the stuff made and where it needs to go and gets the boots on the ground and treat it like the crisis this is the. If you have never heard of the bombastic Mike Francesca, hes a combative, divisive legendary radio personality, hes a devoted trump supporter. Going way back since before the 2016 election. Stuck with him through the Mueller Investigation, the impeachment. Last night his trademark anger was directed at this white house, at this president for not doing enough to protect the people of his city. When asked, could he be in a canary in the coal mine, in other words, if his handling of the coronavirus outbreak going to threaten his standing even among some members of his base . Joining us our conversation is matt miller. Jonathan lemire is still here. Breakups among people outside of politics that begins a domino falling, these are kind of figures that donald trump seems to cherish, people who are celebrities, people arent from the world of politics where he always sort of sees himself as an outsider and this was a pretty highprofile, passionate break with this president over his handling of coronavirus as it now threatens new york city. Absolutely, nicolle. What an influential figure Mike Francesca is in new york city. Sports talk afternoon drive time. He was must listen every day in new york. He became a national figure. Though he doesnt quite have the influence once he did, he represents hes someone whos been very loyal and supportive of the president and we are seeing throughout the Mueller Investigation and other trials and tribulations including impeachment, but this is different. For new yorkers, theres a of course the days after 9 11, when first of all at the time, Rudy Giuliani did step to the forefront and felt appreciative of his leadership in the days afterwards. And theres a sense, though, its cuomo has the better feel for the conditions of the people on the ground, first responders, firefighters, police officers, etms and of course those in the hospitals while the president seems disconnected and unconcerned. I do think there could be some some carry over here. Francesca still has a national voice. Those union members, emergency workers if they start turning on the president , thats something to monitor going forward. It could be very damaging for him. Matt miller, im reluctant sometimes to pull any sort of connections to 9 11 but today we have passed that very sad and grim milestone of coronavirus deaths, surpassing the 9 11 deaths and i think jonathan makes a really interesting point, some of the hardest hit at this point are members of the police department, fdny, the first responders, its people that in Donald Trumps mind are very much available to him as sp supporters, botching this early phase, lost month, threatened their lives more than anything else thats been done. Yeah, and i think as you see the crisis currently hitting new york spread around the country youll see the response that we saw from Mike Francesca also spread around the country. If i were donald trump that would be the thing that would be the most worrisome, he was clearly responding to what hes seen on the ground, what hes seen on the ground new york isnt just going to stay in new york its going to come to other communities. The reality distortion feel that donald trump has been able to cast over the last three years, impeachment, he was able to bluster and spin his way through those and keep a good por portion of the country on his side, those issues werent tangible to a lot of people. This is different. I think youll hear it in at of americans voices if you see a bodies piling up in your community, if you see doctors, you know, who are posting on social media that they are not able to get the protective equipment theyre able to get, if you see friends and loved ones who are gravely ill and they cant go to the hospital because its full, thats the kind of thing thats much more difficult for the president to spin away. Hell try. I think youre right, the people we got accustomed to new yorkers the people got accustomed to see the heroes of 9 11, on the front lines, theyll be the voices of people around the country will turn on to judge how the leadership is handling this crisis. You know the other thing, matt miller, when i listened to francesca, he puts on the spot the entire trump base and the media world, the trump base would have you think that every other person covering the Trump Administration is somehow grasping at strauss to cover to talk about his lies, to talk about his abusive statements toward reporters, but when it comes from someone deep in the heart of the trump base who sees the world he and his supporters see the world put on notice the rest of people carrying water in the media ecosystem. Id certainly hope so. What it going to do when this crisis comes to their states, i think its a real unfortunate dynamic right now, lot of people thinking that this is a virus thats hitting blue states, big cities, you see some of the president s defenders out saying, its not that serious, the governor of florida not taking the kind of serious steps and response youd hope. That crisis is this crisis is not going to be confined to blue states. The president s defenders around the country in places that are not big cities and states that the president won, senator mccaskill referred to some of those states in the last segment. If this crisis continues to burn across the country it gets very hard when the president is standing up there thats completely disconnected from reality. After the thank you, matt miller, for spending some time with us. After the break, Donald Trumps war on women. The coronavirus chapter. Thats next. Just because someone grows older does that mean they have to grow apart from their friends, or from the things they love to do . With right at home, it doesnt. Right at homes professional team thoughtfully selects caregivers to help with personal care, housekeeping, meals and most of all, staying engaged in life. Oh, thank you, thank you. Youre welcome. Are you ready to go . Oh, i sure am. We can provide the right care, right at home. Its got all my favorite shows turn oright there. 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Weve had a big problem with the young, a woman governor from, you know who im talking about, from michigan and you should be saying congratulations instead of asking a really snarky question because i know exactly what you mean by that. Well, you know, its a sad thing. Shes a sick puppy in my opinion. She really is. Shes got a problem with taking criticism from tough women. And the list of women that trump has attacked during the Coronavirus Crisis is growing. As the New York Times points out, its part of a very clear pattern. Quote, as he confronts a pandemic, president trumps attention has also been directed at more familiar foes, those he feels are challenging him and particularly women. His attacks on women have stood out in part because they recall his dismissal of his 2016 democratic rival, hillary clinton, as a, quote, nasty woman, and of many powerful women who have challenged him ever science. My friend, Claire Mccaskill is back, also joining our conversation, eugene washington. Weve also covered fredricka whitfield, his attacks on mika brzezinski, our colleague. What do you think gives with a time of pandemic not sochftenin any of his attacks, but in some ways, against some women, seeming to sharpen them. It does. Look, i think this goes way back with president trump. I think in part, this is just who he is. He is just who he is. Hes challenged, he obviouslya a thing about speaker pelosi. And part of it is that shes a woman. Theres some part of calculation, although i think its a miscalculation. Look at the gender gap in his ratings, and if he gets krae s in november, its because of women. But on those briefings, he always calls on Yamiche Alcindor from npr, or from pbs, to have the fight. He seeks out the fight. On some level, he must think its either Good Television or good politics. I think hes wrong on the good politics part, but he so part of it is involuntary and part of it, i think, is deliberate. Claire mccaskill . Yeah, you know, let me just say, ive got a little bit of experience with this. Having gone through a political career for decades, there is one common theme to men who irrationally attack women in positions of power. And what is always true is they are massively insecure. They are really threatened by women who are strong and smart. And there is one commonality that all the women he has, that hes attacked have. They are strong and they are smart. And they have overcome. You know, he was given millions of dollars by his father. You know, he was, you know, never really had to scratch and scrape and figure out how to achieve something when he wasnt supposed to, quote unquote. From bone spurs to, you know, getting in a good school to being given millions of dollars to be able to do his career, you compare and contrast that to a governor whitmer, or to a nancy pelosi or to yamiche or to the other africanamerican reporter who hes gone after in the briefing room, these are women who have had to fight and use their strength and they are not afraid of him. And he really doesnt do well with people who arent afraid of him. And so it is pretty obvious to me whats going on. And i think as gene said, i think its pretty obvious to most women in the country. Its not like we dont get this. And thats why if donald trump is not reelected, it will be because the women of america have just had enough. Weve just had enough. Eugene, Brian Williams interviewed Donald Trumps likely opponent in november, joe biden. Lets watch and talk about it on the other side. If you are, indeed, the nominee, can you share with us at least how many names are on your potential grab bag list for Vice President . And if any of the figures who have emerged from this Coronavirus Crisis, thinking specifically of, say, the governor of michigan, if any of those figures have lengthened the list . She didnt lengthen the list, she made the list in my mind two months ago. So, governor of michigan, not one of Donald Trumps favorites, eugene, but joe bidens got his eye on her. He sure does. And why wouldnt he . He said he would nominate a woman as Vice President , an obviously competent, popular woman, being seen as handling a crisis very well. That sort of executive experience as a governor gets under president trumps skin and, by the way, shes from michigan, a state that joe biden will need to win in november. And she could probably deliver. You know, claire, weve talked about so many of the women who have emerged as weve covered the trump story, val demings in florida, Kamala Harris as a candidate, and as a senator and her questioning of bill barr and others. Its almost an embarrassment of riches. Is governor whitmer, would that be a smart choice for the Vice President . Should he be the nominee. He does have a lot of good women to choose from. And i am way too smart to start handicapping the women on the list for potential Vice President. But he really cant go wrong with what im confident are the 10 or 11 or 15 women that hes got on that list. They all have excelled. They all have shown strength in difficult circumstances. They all are qualified to be president of the United States. And they all will reinforce the fact that joe biden wants strong women around him, hes not interested in putting them down. Claire mccaskill, i wish i could say its nice to see your face, but were struggling more than usual on the technological side. I trust youre in your beautiful kitchen. Eugene, thank you so much. So nice to hear from you. Thanks to everybody yes . No, i was just going to say, we could put claire on that list, too, if you wanted, but just saying. Im happy in my kitchen when my prompter went down today, i said, have claire anchor. Claire can do everything but most of all, thanks to everybody for watching, for sticking with us through all of it. Were going to stick with you through all of it, every step of the way. Mtp daily with my colleague chuck todd starts now. With miracleear, its all about service. Theyre personable, theyre friendly. Im very happy with them. vo we provide you with a free lifetime of aftercare, meaning free checkups, cleanings and adjustments. wiley i see someone new. Someone happy. 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