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Life was good, and even as the years went by, even with the demands of work and family, steven says he and jody still made time for each other. Like that last summer sunday in september of 1992. Steven says it was supposed to be a date night. It wasnt no idea that that would be the most critical day in our life, in our marriage. It was a day like any other day. Yes. Here was the plan. Husband and wife would drive into manhattan and go to a comedy club, a lighthearted night on the town. But they made a detour here to the palisades, to their spot. Steven remembers pulling up to the scenic lookout. Sitting in the car with jody, sharing a wine cooler. There were other people there sitting in their cars. And we walked up, looked over the spot where the binoculars were and then walked over to this sort of open view. He says they then turned and took a narrow wellworn path to those rocks. They sat there as the night fell around them. He with his back against the rock holding her as she sat directly in front of him. At some point something goes terribly wrong. Yes. He says he stood up, intending to go back to the car to get wine and the blanket. For whatever reason jody stood up too. The edge of the rock was at her feet. What was your last glimpse of your wife . Just standing up and, you know, stumbling forward. Jody had gone off the cliff. I didnt know how bad things were, but i was stunned. What did you do . I got down on my stomach. I zuk my hestuck my head over t i just yelled. Jody. Jody, talk to me. I just yelled down there. But no response. He grabbed a flashlight and flagged down a motorist. He came here to the Palisades Interstate Parkway Police station. Lieutenant walter sirry was on duty. Until he came through that door it was a quiet, very quiet night. And all hell broke loose. The frantic man was telling them a woman had fallen from the lookout above and that her husband was waiting for help. The Police Called in michael chiofi, an experienced climber. I was there as a rescue mission. I thought she was alive. He began to lower himself off the side of the cliff where the womans husband said she had fallen. About ten feet down he caught sight of a ledge. The minute i got to that ledge i observed a purse. I think it was two credit cards. On a ledge ten feet down. Right. But it was what he didnt see that confused him. There was no sign that the womans body had also hit that ledge or any part of the cliffs. Nothing. No blood, no hair, no clothing, no fibers. No skin. By that point officer walter sirry had arrived up at the lookout. Since there was nothing the husband could do to help 2349 rescue, siree was told to get him out of the way and drove him back to police headquarters. On the way steven recounted the awful moment when his wife disappeared. We were walking and she said for me to go back to the car and get the blanket and she slipped and i didnt see her anymore. As sirry and the man arrived at the station rescuer chiofi had made it to the base of the cliff, more than 100 feet below the top. He expected to find a wounded woman there, but he didnt. Im saying shes not here. At the first point i said maybe this is a hoax, maybe she never really went off the cliff. He and another rescuer began to walk along the base, pointing their flashlights north. Finally, about 30 feet away, the beams landed on something white. It was jody, lying motionless next to a tree. There was a lot of blood on that tree. And the blood was actually draining down the tree. Thats where the severe impact took. Thats where she really, you know jody sharp had not survived the fall. To chiofi it was clear. She had slammed into that tree. As they began to move the body, he noticed something else. She had an odor of an alcoholic beverage that emanated from her body. So when you smelled that, did you think, well, maybe she had had too much to drink and fell . That entered my mind, yes. At that moment steven sharp was sitting in a room at the police station, waiting for someone to tell him what had happened to his wife. Do you remember whats going through your mind at that point . How badly is she hurt . Where is she . Why isnt she calling back to me . And thats when an officer walked into the room and broke the news to steven. Jody was gone. I dont even remember who came in and told me. What was your reaction . Denial. It was how could this how could this happen . That question would haunt him and many others. And it would take years for the answers to finally come. Coming up he was rubbing his eyes to make it look like he was crying. You thought he was faking tears . Absolutely. Curious behavior puts a husband under the microscope. When over the edge continues. Applebees bigger bolder grill combos are back. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Its a revolution in sleep. 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He remembers his distraught sons reaction but little else from those dark hours. Were you sleeping . Were you eating . Drinking. You were drinking. I lost my wife. My son lost his mom. There was plenty of sympathy among family and friends to be sure. For the man newly widowed with a small child to raise on his own. His wife had died in a freak accident, off a cliff of all places. How could that happen . And thats exactly what police who were there the night of jodys death wanted to know too. Right away i got the feeling there was something wrong. It nagged at rescuer michael chiofi. Why was jodys purse on a ledge just feet below where her husband said shed fallen . Where is she . She should be here. Or part of her should be here. Thats the first thing that came to you. Either she should be here or the pocketbook should be down with her. And it wasnt fitting. Another thought dawned on him. If jody had tumbled, why hadnt she hit the side of the cliffs . There was no blood or hair anywhere on the rocks. And the location of jodys body seemed off to chiofi, way off. She was like 30 to 40 feet away from us to the north. A person falls off the cliff, usually theyre going to go south or theyre going to go right down. She should have been right down where i grot off the ropes. Thats where she should have been. Someone else was scratching his head about that night for different reasons. It had to do with stephens behavior while the search was under way. Officer walter sirry was surprised stephen was willing to leave the lookout as rescuers were still looking for jody. Did he give any indication i dont want to leave, my wife could still be alive down there . No. None at all. Sirry says he couldnt believe how willingly Stephen Scharf got into his patrol car. I tell you, if it was my wife, girlfriend, whoever, they would have had to pry me away from that scene if i was still at the top of the cliffs. But he willingly got into your patrol car. Without a word said. Stranger still was how calm the husband seemed. When the officer heard stephen describe how his wife had fallen, he made a mental note. There was no emotion in it. No emotion at all. Like he was reading a script. Did it occur to you, well, maybe hes in shock . No. Ive seen people who have lost loved ones, and ive never seen anybody act that way. But it was a particular moment later inside the station house that really caught the officers attention. He asked if he could get a drink from the water fountain. He was looking like over his shoulder at me and splashing water up into his face and then like rubbing his eyes to make it look like he was crying. You thought he was faking tears . Absolutely. Absolutely. A death scene where the pieces didnt connect. A husband who appeared nonchalant. From a cops point of view things were adding up and not in stephens favor. Not just one thing. It was the totality of the circumstances. Everything every little thing was clicking in my mind, im saying to myself, this isnt right. Somethings wrong here. Gut instinct is one thing. But evidence is quite another. People handle terrible events in different ways. The police are paid to be suspicious. Maybe their view of stephen was too jaundiced. There really was nothing to indicate that jodys fall was anything but an accident. A few months later the ruling was in. The Bergen County medical examiner concluded the manner of jody scharfs death could not be determined. An accident was likely as anything else. Case closed. Or was it . Coming up so you didnt think this was a horrible accident . No. The suspicions grow. Was there a weapon at this romantic rendezvous . You have your wine, cheese, crackers, claw hammer. Red flares are going up. Theyve reached the top of the pole by that point. When over the edge continues. My name is jeff sheldon, and im the founder of ugmonk. Before shipstation it was crazy, like. 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Just something dark lineham thought he could read between the lines in the police notes he reviewed the day after jodys death. He did not react like somebody who just lost his wife should have reacted. And so the detective moved his investigation from the physical evidence to the less tangible clues. He quickly learned from jodys friends that this was a couple not in love but in crisis. The subject wasnt wine and roses on those cliffs. It was divorce. She was going to go through with it. Yes. Absolutely. Jodys longtime friend marianne hilferty told detectives jody had been determined to take her 10yearold son jonathan and leave her husband. She was convinced stephen had been cheating on her. She couldnt prove anything, but women called the house. And sometimes theyd call and hang up on her. In fact, lineham learned joad qi had served her husband divorce papers on september 8th, 1992. Less than two weeks later she was dead at the base of the palisades. The timing made him even more eager to talk to the widower scharf. Theres a sitdown with mr. Scharf. Hes consented to talk, right . Yes. Two days after his wifes death Stephen Scharf was freely answering detectives questions. And it was true, there were other women. He told us they had an open marriage. They were seeing different people. He actually said he had been with like 50 to 60 women. She was okay with it, according to him. According to him, yeah. But he told detectives he and jody had become unhappy with their free love lifestyle, so they came to this romantic if treacherous spot to recommit to each other, stephen said, to kiss and make up. And the spot where they went is not a spot youd go to reconcile with anybody. Detectives werent buying the story for another reason. They had found something suspicious inside scharfs car, a bag filled with items youd expect for a romantic picnic and one you would not, a hammer. Oh, yeah, your wine, cheese, crackers, opener, claw hammer. I mean, if red flags are going up, they reached the top of the pole at that point. Did you think that might be a murder weapon . Yeah. I thought that might have been plan a and he didnt use it so he went to plan b. Which linem believed was to push or throw jody off that cliff. So detectives asked Stephen Scharf the obvious what was the hammer doing in that picnic bag . He told us he fixed a drawer in his kitchen with the hammer and he just forgot to put it back in the garage. He put it in the bag with the picnic items. It was just convenient. It was a convenient excuse for having that hammer. Detectives asked if they could check out the drawer and the rest of stephens house that night. He agreed. But as it turned out, something potentially far more telling was happening away from the action. And i said, look, mr. Scharf, im your local police department. Ted aaronburg was a local officer told to keep an eye on Stephen Scharf that night as detectives combed through his house. The officer says he began talking to stephen about what had happened to jody when stephen interrupted him. He finally looked at me and he goes, you dont believe me. And then the officer says scharf said something that almost knocked him off his feet. I said, i believe an accident occurred. I said, was it an accident . And he put his head down and he said, no. Aaronburg believed that was a stunning confession. He ran to tell the other detectives, including linem, but they had just spent hours grilling the man. We werent getting that feeling, that a reinterview at that point would have done anything. The detectives still believed they could find solid evidence to implicate Stephen Scharf, but they didnt. We took it as far as we could go. There hadnt been a cause of death, at that time was listed as undetermined. So officially it wasnt a homicide. In time, the detectives moved on to other cases. Stephen scharf moved on, too. Fourteen years after his wifes death, he remarried. Tina scharf says hes been a loving, ideal husband. It was like we were two puzzle pieces that were made for each other where we just each of us complemented and completed the other person. But even in this happy new life he says hes never forgotten about jody. But he might have been surprised to learn that someone else was thinking of her, too, after all these years. Bergen county had a new prosecutor, and he was eager to revisit old case files. Among them . An unexplained death here on the cliffs of the palisades so many years ago the death of jody scharf. There was this renewed push since 2002 to look into the cold cases. Gilbert marcos covered the trial for the record newspaper in new jersey. On one hand he says it didnt seem the prosecutor had any reason to pursue the cold case. In terms of hard evidence, it had absolutely nothing new. But the prosecutor did have someone new, a famous name to join the investigation into jody scharfs death, dr. Michael badden, a worldrenowned forensic pathologist who investigated the deaths of john f. Kennedy and john belushi and testified at the trial of o. J. Simpson. He was about to turn up the heat on a very cold case. Dr. Michael badden has reviewed the evidence and has determined that this could not have been an accidental fall. In december of 2008, detectives paid one more visit to Stephen Scharf. They wouldnt tell me what it was for. I had no idea what this was about. I mean, it didnt make sense. Sixteen years after that fatal night on the cliff, police were back and Stephen Scharf was in for a shock. After all these years, you thought it was done. Not until they reach behind and hand me this thing, this arrest warrant. Coming up the case heads into court with a surprise from the stand. Here for my mother. Stephen and jody scharfs only son has some dark secrets to share. Did you see that abuse . I did. 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The state marshaled some familiar facts to tell its story, starting with the crime scene where the prosecutor said the cliffs showed no sign of an accidental tumble. No debris, no blood, no hair, no tissue. Then there was the husband himself, cool and collected in the back of a police car. I didnt see any emotion from him at all, sir. Who later confessed, the prosecutor said, to killing his wife. And then i said, it was an accident . And he said, no. But those facts were not where the case ended. The prosecutor argued that they simply set the stage for the real case, a story told by the victims friends, family, and, most importantly, by a star witness. My opinion is that the manner of death is homicide. Dr. Michael baden, the famous forensic pathologist, told jurors the crime scene spoke of a murder, not an accident. If a person falls accidentally, the individual will be, you know, within a couple of feet of the base of the building. And that didnt happen in the case of jody scharf. Her body landed 50 feet out from the top of the cliff and 30 feet to the north. She had to have been propelled from that point. Jody had to have been thrown or pushed to her death, he said, and likely from another spot entirely on those cliffs. He wasnt the only expert who saw it that way. The head and chest injuries are not consistent with someone that tumbled down the cliff face. Dr. Marianne clayton was the Bergen County medical examiner who first ruled the circumstances of jodys death could not be determined. Now, on second look, she said, the victims wounds or lack of them told her something different, something vital. If jody had tumbled innocently down the palisades, she would have had broken bones everywhere. She did not. There were no visible injuries on the back of mrs. Scharfs body. But why would stephen have killed his wife . The biggest reason, the prosecutor argued, was that stephen did not want a divorce. He didnt want a custody fight. And he didnt want to split assets with jody. And there was yet another motive for stephen, said the prosecutor a potential payout. Usaa Life Insurance company. An insurance representative testified about a 500,000 policy taken out against jody scharf months before her death, payable to a primary beneficiary. Can you tell us the policy owner. Stephen f. Scharf. Jody scharf was simply worth more dead than alive. Her friend marion said jody feared stephen might do something violent if she pushed for the divorce. Even so, she said, jody was determined to get away from her husband. She was going to have divorce papers served on stephen, and she was very afraid of it. Yet, was stephen violent enough to kill his wife . An unlikely but powerful witness was about to testify against Stephen Scharf. Im here for my mother. His own son took the stand against him. Now a businessman, Jonathan Scharf painted his father as an angry, violent man who terrorized his mother. Did you see that abuse . I did. Jonathan scharf said he realized his father had likely killed his mother only after that arrest in 2008. This videotaped interview shows him recalling the dark past for the first time to police. Now, in court, he had even more to tell about his childhood, like the afternoon he sat cowering in the back seat of a car watching his mother suffer. My mom was driving and my dad just hitting her with the bottom of his fist. And i was, like, begging him to stop doing it. He also remembered the last day of his mothers life. He was 10 and said his mother told his father that she didnt want to go out with him alone. She said, if i wanted to go out with you, i wouldnt be divorcing you. But where was the proof that stephen had planned to kill jody that night . Well, there was the hammer in the picnic bag, but there was also testimony from this woman, one of stephens old girlfriends. I even mentioned to my girlfriend that it was a perfect relationship. Terri schofield had been dating stephen months before jody scharfs death. Did mr. Scharf tell you whether or not he was married . Actually he said he was not married. And she remembered something strange stephen said to her on the beach over that labor day weekend. He was under a lot of stress and the stress would be resolved by the end of september. Two weeks later, jody scharf was dead. Terri now sees that cryptic statement in a dreadful light. I was, like, oh, no, the end of september. Then the light bulb went off immediately. It also went off for marion. In perhaps the most chilling testimony of the prosecutions case, she told the jury that when she heard her friend was gone, she immediately remembered something jody said just weeks earlier. She said that during this conversation i have with him, if anything happens to me, youll know who did it. Youll know it was him. The prosecutors position was clear. A husband with a motive, the perfect setting, the violent intent to kill his wife. Or was there another way of looking at that couple perched high on those cliffs that night . Stephens wife says the prosecution has it all wrong. My husband is not capable. That is not the man he is. My husband is sweet, kind, loving, considerate. The prosecutor the defense was ready to show how Stephen Scharf, far from villain, was the real victim in this story. Coming up they destroyed the crime scene area. New questions about the evidence. And was there another reason why a son might implicate his dad . Who does the money go to . It goes to me. When dateline continues. If youre 65 or older, even if youre healthy, you may be at increased risk for Pneumococcal Pneumonia a potentially serious bacterial lung disease that can disrupt your routine for weeks. In severe cases, Pneumococcal Pneumonia can put you in the hospital. It can hit quickly, without warning, making you miss out on what matters most. 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Stephen scharf is not guilty 18 years after the death of his first wife, more than a decade after the investigation first stalled, Stephen Scharf was being called a killer. But his defense attorney ed balinkas argued there was no new evidence in this case, no new eyewitnesses. Only new opinions. Were talking about the same old facts and circumstances. Balinkas says the state was hoping to win a murder conviction by painting his client as a terrible husband, that it couldnt prove he was a killer in 1992 and it couldnt prove it today. My client, Stephen Scharf, has been wrongfully charged with her death. One reason the prosecutor couldnt prove murder has to do with Sloppy Police work. You never photographed the body before you moved it, did you . No, sir. Why didnt they take photographs . They destroyed the crime scene area. They didnt even bother to question potential eyewitnesses, he said. Instead they cleared visitors from the lookout. There might have been someone who saw something or heard something. There might have been. Thats a possibility that might have happened. And if police were so suspicious of his client two nights later, the defense said, why didnt they videotape their interview with him . That way jurors could have judged Stephen Scharfs supposedly odd demeanor for themselves. Why didnt you . Not an interrogation. He wasnt in custody. I dont know. The defense attorney also argued that police misinterpreted what his client said in his home just hours later. My client never said this wasnt an accident. And as for that hammer police thought was a weapon . The hammer was examined by the forensic experts. There was nothing found on that hammer. And the defense attorney pressed the medical examiner on her flipflop, undetermined manner of death in 93, now it was a homicide . Really . Are you trying to say that youre learning from your mistakes on this case . You may call them mistakes, sir. I did the best i could in 1992 documenting what i had observed with mrs. Scharf. The medical examiner was helpful to the defense in one critical way, though. She determined that jody had been drunk the night she fell off the cliff. Jody had a blood alcohol level of 0. 12. That was over the legal limit. Would be the equivalent of approximately four averagesize drinks, wine or beer, Something Like that. A drunken slip and fall, argued the defense. To back that up, the lawyer had his own heavy hitter, famed forensic pathologist dr. Cyril wecht. He boasted a resume of starstudded investigations, too, as high profile as the prosecutions dr. Badden. Only wecht had a totally different take on how jody scharf died. I would call this an accidental death. In wechts version, which he demonstrated with, of all things, a teddy bear, jody fell off the cliff and onto jagged rocks just below, causing her mortal wounds. Her body then catapulted. And out goes the body, and it it hurls into the air. Into the tree canopy, which then carried her through the abyss and into that distant tree. This is what i think happened to explain those injuries of the chest and the head. But there was another bubble to burst in the prosecutions case. The motive for murder. Stephen scharf wasnt a greedy killer, his attorney said. His client never made a claim on that insurance policy. It was only after the money was turned over to the state, years later, Stephen Scharf, that he even bothered to collect. Would it throw fuel on the fire to not do it . Wow, i know i look guilty, i am guilty so i better not make this claim. Youre damned if you do and youre damned if you dont. The other alleged motive, divorce, was flimsy, he said. Jody and stephen had talked breakup for years. The divorce papers just the latest salvo in an ongoing marital spat. The prosecutor paints a picture of someone who, frankly, is furious about this divorce. No one person ever indicated that my client was furious over this divorce. They had talked about divorce for years. Maybe she was saying one thing and not following through. Though it is true Stephen Scharf did not want a divorce, he says he wanted to give the marriage another chance. And as for that former girlfriend, Terri Schofield . She recounted stephens mysterious statement just before jodys death. Just give me until the end of september and everything will be okay. The stress will be a lot of the stress will be gone. The defense Attorney Says that was stephens clumsy way of trying to dump his girlfriends. And, speaking of which, he added, those other women did not bother jody at all. She was seeing other people herself. The person on the bottom half in both of those is who . Jody scharf. The Record Keeper of a dating service testified that jodys name was on an application. She even checked off the interests shed like to share with a mate. The attorney offered that as proof of stephen and jodys open marriage. But what really rankled the defense, what had torn at the heart of Stephen Scharf, was the testimony of his son jonathan. Remember her showing me her bruises. He had painted his father as a brute and possibly a killer. I never hit jody. It made me sick to my stomach. The young man wasnt to be believed, said the lawyer. For one thing, when police interviewed jonathan back in 2008, the young man described his dad as a good guy. I think he was a fairly decent guy. It was only after detectives told him his dad had just been arrested that the son turned on his father. Before you found out that your dad was arrested, did you lie . Yes. And did you lie more than once . Yes. Why would jonathan turn on his father and lie . The defense lawyer said it was jonathan, not his dad, who was motivated by greed. If Stephen Scharf was convicted, his son would get all that insurance money. Who does the money go to . It goes to me. In the end, the lawyer called Stephen Scharfs son a spoiled brat that sounds like some spoiled kid. Who was not a credible witness. In closing, balinkas insisted that this wasnt a murder case, just a sad story about a woman who tumbled drunkenly to her death. This case is an accident, nothing more, nothing less. Soon it would be in the hands of a jury. Coming up it was the light bulb. You couldnt help but think, hmm, thats interesting. The jurors speak and so does the accused. Stephen, did you kill your wife jody . The verdict. dad got it . boy got it. dad its slippery. boy nooooooo. grandma nooooooo. dad nooooooo. dog yessssss. vo quick, the quicker picker upper bounty picks up messes quicker and is two times more absorbent than the leading ordinary brand. boy hey look, i got it. Bounty, the quicker picker upper. Well, not because it was easy. I mean, the game is all i know. You think back to your draft. It felt like a fantasy. But the second you know you cant compete anymore, you owe it to yourself, to your team, to find a fresh start. So, yeah, thats why i did it. Thats why i walked away. From my fantasy league. announcer redeem your season on fanduel. Play free until you win. Fanduel. More ways to win. [ready forngs ] christmas . No, its way too early to be annoyed by christmas. You just need some holiday spirit thats it this feud just went mobile. With xfinity xfi you get the best wifi experience at home. And with xfinity mobile, you get the best wireless coverage for your phone. Youre about to find out you dont even know where i live. Hello see the grinch in theaters by saying get grinch tickets into your xfinity x1 voice remote. A guy just dropped this off. Hehehehe. 18 years after a night that ended in his wifes death off a cliff, Stephen Scharf stood accused of murder by the state of new jersey. And through it all one thing he wants you to know is this he would never have laid a hand on his beloved jody. Never. Stephen, did you kill your wife jody . I did not hurt jody i did not did you throw her off the palisades . I did not. I did not. I didnt hurt jody. I didnt push her. I didnt cause her to get hurt. I didnt kill my wife. We talked to Stephen Scharf at the Bergen County jail where where he was held ever since his arrest in 2008. He and his wife tina say theyve paid a high price for something he didnt do. We visit through a plate glass. Our daughter is 2 1 2 and has still never been held by her father because we dont have contact visits. Its not just a tragedy for jody, its a tragedy for john. Its a tragedy for my wife, its a tragedy for my daughter. And for myself. Still, he decided not to take the stand in his own defense but told dateline that what he said 18 years ago about his wifes death is the truth. I wish it didnt happen. I wish we had gone to the comedy club. But i didnt im innocent. But had the jury gotten that same message . When they walked into that deliberating room for the first time, some jurors, in fact, planned to vote not guilty. There wasnt enough evidence for me. Thats what it was. Others were thinking guilty. It was several things. It was no one thing that had made up my mind. The jurors went back and forth over the evidence. And heres what they came to believe, that jody was likely drunk and that her husband knew it, and if that was the case why would he let her get so close to the edge of a cliff . As the husband, knowing that your wife was drinking, would you bring her there . The jurors deliberated for three days before deciding whether Stephen Scharf should be found guilty or not guilty of a single count of murder. On the charge of murder of jody ann scharf, your verdict is . Guilty. Guilty. Later, jurors said what united them was the testimony of jodys friend, telling them that jody was terrified of her husband. That possibly she was telling everyone, if something happens to me its my husband. And it was another woman in stephens life who also swayed the jury. Terri schofield recounting what stephen said to her weeks before jodys death, that his stress would soon be over. Once i heard that, that was something that pushed me towards what we decided in the end, was that statement. It was the light bulb. To them, it wasnt jody who slipped but her husband with that menacing statement. They believed it wasnt just a fall from the cliff, it was a coldblooded execution. But Stephen Scharf says they condemned him for all the wrong reasons, not on the facts of his wifes death but on his and jodys tumultuous open marriage. So you think this was a moral judgment on the part of the jurors. Yes. And i suppose some people would say, well, he was punished for his moral weakness. But this is a murder trial. But for rescuer michael chiafi, its a fitting end to a story thats haunted him since that night on the palisades. This has never left me. Its been years. I went back there myself without people knowing it several times because it bothered me. Something was wrong. For Close Friends like marion, the verdict does not remove the sting of the loss. Im angry that he took the life of a beautiful person. Thats what bothers me the most. That he would do that and think that he was going to get away with it. He wanted the insurance money. He wanted his son. Hed have the house. Hed have whatever he wanted. And shed be out of the way. Now i think that was sad thats all for now