unfold. >> i go into the living room and i see blood all over the place. i went into the bathroom there is more blood. the whole time we were thinking it was a car wreck. >> the rumor mill is in overdrive. >> there was gossiped that there was an affair. >> this was tearing her apart. you really cannot make this up. >> there is no other way to describe a human being but satan's bond. -- spawn. >> hello and welcome to dateline. when judy met jamie baldwin he swept her off her feet and then jamie said judy suffered not one but two accidents in the same night and she was gone. detective believed the grieving husband, but her family launched their own investigation. the question, was this the handiwork of a clever killer? here is the black box. andrea canning: the slow-moving water, chilled by the december air, trickled over her lifeless body. >> the slow moving water >> the slow moving water chilled trickled over her lifeless body. >> she was one of my biggest supporters. she is not here anymore. >> how this wife, mother and grandmother what end up in this creek will consume her family for years. >> i am not giving up until i find out what happened. what h andrea canning: terry tinker, the coroner for chester >> do you get a lot of car crashes? >> we do. >> terry tinker, the corner have been called here to the site of a fatal traffic accidents. it was right before midnight on december 14, 2016. a husband and wife were in their jeep when it ran off the road, ending up down the bottom. >> i saw that lady and i knew she was, jamie baldwin. my friend. >> terry had known judy orr- baldwin most of his life. that must've been such a shock to the system to see? >> it was. a longtime friend like in the creek. >> the corner noticed some unusual markings. deep and dark blackened circles around her eyes. >> i am seeing a lot of bulging eyes, is what a lot of people call recognize. >> how do you get those? >> from probably brain injury. >> driving the jeep was judy's husband jamie. he suffered minor injuries. jamie told first responders they were traveling down the historic role when he swerved to avoid hitting and truck. is out of control jeep careened and crashed into the creek. he said he was knocked out and when he came to judy's led body was in the creek a few feet away. he called 911. ay. he called 911. andrea canning: jamie had already been taken away in an ambulance, when detective chris reynolds, with the chester county sheriff's office, jamie had already been taken away in an ambulance when detective chris reynolds arrived on the scene. >> i took my flashlight and i saw and cloth with blood on it. there was one on the seat. >> the detective saw the jeep store open judy apparently had been ejected. >> what is the first incident -- instinct? >> an accident. >> the same night judy's two sons is not might not phone calls. the roman told their mom had been in a car crash and they needed to get to the hospital right away. >> i was the first one there. i ran to the emergency side like where is judy orr-baldwin ? they were like we don't have a judy baldwin. >> josh found his stepdad in a hospital room. >> i said with my mom? they were like she didn't make it. i said what do you mean? he said she's dead. >> chris arrived shortly after and got the terrible news. he asked his stepdad what happened. >> all they said was i wish it would've been me. >> it felt like and dream. i thought i cannot believe we are going through this again. >> because her dad died? >> tragically. >> their dad died in a motorcycle accident 12 years earlier. it seems unbelievable to not lose their mom in a crash. here you are having to say goodbye to your other parent, your mom. that is really a hard thing to do to lose both parents and such a young age. >> i know nothing is perfect. but we didn't have any problems. we were all happy. our parents are gone. >> around 6:30 that morning judy's ,23 lease was sound asleep when her phone rang. her dad gave her the tragic news that her aunt, known as little judy because she was just 4'11" have been killed. >> he said little judy is dead. i said what are you talking about? i started screaming and crying. i woke up everybody in the house. >> when judy's nephew heard the news he realized his aunt for love yorky was all alone. early in the morning he headed over to judy's house. >> the whole time and thinking i'm just going to get the dog. >> rodney wright wasn't prepared for what he saw. >> it was a shock. i go into the living room and i see blood all over the place. blood on the floor. i went into the bathroom there was more. the whole time we are thinking it was a car wreck. what happened? >> a family horrified, mystified and looking for answers. investigators are about to ask questions of the one person who knows just what happened that evening. coming up, what jamie says happened to judy. what jamie ss happened to judy. that baffled the coroner-- andrea canning: so this was going to be the key area-- terry tinker: this was the-- andrea canning: --in the autopsy. --key thing right there. andrea canning: --when "dateline." continues. and the clue that baffled the corner. so this was going to be the key area in the autopsy? 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>> faith, protected, somebody that had her back. >> did they seem happy? >> extremely. her being happy, i am extremely happy. >> detective chris reynolds was looking into her death as part of a routine investigation. >> i knew ms. judy for a very long time. every since i was a child. everybody loved her. >> the detective had never met judy's husband, but wanted more details on what happened that night. about a week after her death he asked jamie to come down to the sheriff's office. why do you bring him in even though you believe this is an accident? >> i want to make sure i have everything covered. >> she was one of those people that as soon as your mentor you were a friend of her, loved her. she was just bigger than life. >> jamie said he had mostly recovered from his minor injuries. emotionally though he said he had a lot of healing to do. to andrea canning: jamie said the night judy died, he and his wife were decorating their christmas tree. he then, briefly stepped outside to put >> jamie seven i judy died he and his wife were decorating the christmas tree. he then briefly stepped outside to put some tools away in his shed. >> when i came back in, i don't know if she decided to fix something on the tree. i don't know. tree. i don't know. two stocking holders. >> brjamie said he assumed judy fell off the ladder and hit her head on the mantle. on the floor with two stocking holders, one of them were broken. were broken. e on her wound, but the bleeding didn't stop. jamie told the detective he grabbed a washcloth from the bathroom and put pressure on her wound, but the bleeding didn't stop. he thought judy needed stitches. needed stitches. was a few minutes from their house, he said the couple got into their jeep and started driving to a bigger although chester hospital was a few minutes from the house he said the couple got into their jeep and started driving to a bigger hospital 30 minutes away. minutes away. andrea canning: and that's when he said, they went flying down that embankment, ending up in the creek. jamie said the impact of the crash knocked him out. that is when he said they went flying down the embankment ending up in the creek. jamie said the impact of the crash knocked him out. >> he hit something. hit someth. i'll walk you back out the back door over here. andrea canning: after about an hour, the interview was finished. jamie's story seemed to match what the seasoned detective had seen for himself, like that bloody washcloth >> after about one hour the interview was finished. jamie stories seemed to match what the seasoned detective has seen, like the bloody washcloth in the jeep. and when he went to the house the night of the accident. >> i saw blood on the mantle of blood on the floor. i did see the ladder leaned toward the christmas tree at the time. >> does the blood look consistent with a possible fall? >> yes. if an accident as of right now. >> detective reynolds was continuing his investigation. the corner still trying to figure out what cost judy's death. he wanted to know more about a large wound on her forehand. >> there was no damage to her legs or to her arms. all of it was concentrated toward the head. this was the key thing right there. >> he concluded julie died from a skull fracture and those raccoon eyes were the result of a large amount of blood accumulated in her skull. the corner struggled to figure out what caused the fracture. >> i need to know what you think she fell against or what was said by mr. baldwin. all of the stuff has got to be added up. >> he had to determine if the fatal injury happened during all at her house or during the car accident. even though judy had two autopsies before she was buried, the corner could not reach and conclusion. her death certificate read pending investigation. police are not the only ones investigating. judy's family and friends have questions too. what they discover will cast doubt on jamie story. >> i am surprised i did it. i was in such shock. i knew in my heart something else had happened. >> jesse become suspicious and takes matters into her own hands. >> you decided to record the call? >> i.d.'d. >> was the one in this family harboring a secret? an eye-popping story when dateline continues. dateline continues. it appeared judy orr baldwin had been involved in two accidents on the same night. >> it appeared judy emorr-baldw had been involved in two accidents on the same night. most people seem to agree, sadly it looks like judy was the victim of bad luck. one person, however, was not buying it, judy's niece. she thought what happened seemed suspicious. >> i had a very weird feeling in my stomach. >> although jamie had an explanation, it didn't make sense. >> why would you not go to chester hospital if she just bumped her head? >> and why did jamie take a dark rural back road when he could've taken a much faster nearby highway. >> that was super odd to me. >> so jesse decided to take a bold step. she put her amateur detective on and call jamie. >> you decided to record the call? >> i did. >> what was telling you to record the call? >> i am not sure what told me. i am surprised i did it. i was in such shock, but i knew in my heart something else had happened. i wanted to hear what he has to say. >> she asked jamie how he got knocked out when the jeep crashed? jeep crashed? jesse was most concerned about her aunt's final moments. fina how would you describe his demeanor? i would simply say, he had zero remorse. he was talking just, how we're talking. >> how would you describe his demeanor? >> i was simply say he had zero remorse. he was talking just how we are talking. no emotion really. emotion rea. said, "that's the good news"-- yeah andrea canning: --which seemed a little, like, the language was a little odd. >> one thing that struck me if he said that's the good news. it seemed -- the language was a little odd. >> it didn't make any sense to me either. it was an eerie feeling. why would you say that? >> jesse couldn't get the phone call out of her head. >> i replayed that recording so many times. >> are you expressing your concerns to judy's sons? >> i let them listen to the phone call and i said it's just not fitting right with me. >> after judy's sons darted to think about it they too had serious doubts. >> we are trying to figure out what really happened to our mom. >> sold one of judy's friends would tell the brothers more than they ever wanted to know. k black and judy were nearly inseparable and share their most personal secrets with each other. you said you were like sisters. >> we were. i miss her a lot. a whole lot. >> she and her husband consider themselves judy and jamie's best friends. the four belonged to the back of -- riker group called helping hands and harleys. they spent nearly every weekend with the couple. kay knew something almost no one else did. >> i knew his marriage wasn't like he was trying to make everyone else believe. >> jamie told others he had a strong and happy marriage. hap. andrea canning: kay says, a few months before her death, judy confided in her that her marriage was on the rocks. >> kay says a few months before her death judy confided to her that her marriage was on the rocks. she thought something was going on with jamie and another woman, a single mom who also happened to be the bike club treasurer. >> she started having her suspicious. she was thinking jamie and terry were having an affair. >> the club treasurer and jamie? >> if one went to smoke they will look at the other one and say come on, let's go smoke. little things like that judy has started picking up on. >> we've seen a lot of touchy- feely stuff that didn't quite look right. >> judy would ask me and i would say maybe or maybe not. nobody knows for sure but everybody's talking about it. >> judy decided to find out for herself. >> she confronted terry. terry said we are not doing anything. she confronted jamie. she said they are so calm about it. she said i know they are doing something. >> within a week of judy's death kay set judy's sons out. as they absorbed it all they remembered terry king was at the hospital the night her mom died. in fact they got -- she got there before they did. another even more awkward story . >> i don't want to tell this. she said jamie has been trying to get your mom to have a threesome with him and terry. >> what? this is not something your mom wanted? >> no. >> or something that you want to think about. >> sex, lies and a christian by club. who would've thought. >> exactly. >> soon after opening up to judy's family she called detective reynolds. >> i said i have some text messages and i think you need to see them. she tells it there that she suspected jamie and terry. he said i will get back with you. i never heard from him again. >> the brothers and jesse also felt they were not getting anywhere. >> we got to find someone to help us and get some answers. >> why is nobody doing anything? it just didn't make sense. >> soon it would all start to make sense with some bombshell news. >> that is when we are thinking the police is looking into this. >> and disturbing revelation about jamie's alleged girlfriend and important evidence. >> did you say to your supervisor i think we should have someone come in and look at this blood? >> no i didn't. >> we found out terry went to the house and cleaned up. >> is this the most bungled evidence collection you've ever seen? >> that might be a little nice. there was no evidence collection. >> when dateline continues. collection. >> when dateline continues. nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. nexgard® plus helps you protect your dog from fleas, ticks, heartworm disease, and more... all in one delicious, monthly, soft chew. use with caution in dogs with a history of seizures or neurologic disorders. nexgard® plus: the one you want for one-and-done protection. norman, bad news... or neurologic disorders. i never graduated from med school. what? 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>> that is when we are thinking the police is looking into this. >> the brothers have been pushing the chester county's prosecution -- prosecutors office to look deeper into their mom's death. the deputy prosecutor was keeping tabs on the sheriff's investigation. >> we were being told to the sheriff's office they were doing what they were supposed to do. >> it turns out they were not. the prosecutor would learn there were serious problems. they are basically saying we don't need your help right now? >> exactly. we were hearing from the family people had not been interview. they were concerned evidence had not been collected. >> chris reynolds said he truly believed it was an accident and just didn't feel the need to investigate this as a potential crime. >> right. that is something with his experience he should've known you do not make those kinds of assumptions up front. when someone dies you treat it as a murder until you know otherwise. >> we asked detective reynolds about how he handled the investigation. did you take judy's close? did you take her cell phone or jamie cell phone? >> we didn't collect anything at the house. that was a judgment call. >> some consider that and questionable call because there was something else. early in the investigation the coroner told the detective he thought judy's staff look suspicious. that it might even be a homicide. >> you just being overly cautious as a detective comedy juice think we should do a little more? we should get evidence. even if it's not a murder at least we did our job. >> i agree 100%. >> and the photos the detectives took? this is how a number of them came out. some are so blurry and so bad. >> the camera we had wasn't good. >> you can still take still shots. >> i struggle with the camera we have. >> he also failed to take critical forensic evidence. >> did you say to your supervisor i think we should have someone come in to look at the blood? >> i did it. >> reynolds never sealed the house after photographing. anyone can go in. and someone did, terry king. what happened to the blood evidence of judy's house? >> according to what we found out was that terry left the hospital and she went back to the hospital and cleaned it up. >> with permission from detective reynolds? >> yes. not only did he give her permission, he offered help. >> i gave her the number two a company that specializes in crime scenes and disaster restoration. >> so you are giving her advice ? >> no. she asked for help. that's with anybody else. if they asked for advice on how . >> right, but you are giving her advice on claiming a potential crime scene. >> at the time the crime scene we were done with. >> she's literally erasing the crime scene? >> that is exactly what happened. >> is this the most bundled hamlet billing -- bungled handling of a thing you've ever seen? >> yes. >> even though there was a lack of evidence the prosecutor spoke to the corner and came to the conclusion this was no accident, but a murder. >> at some point i'm going to have to look at this family and possibly tell them we are not going to have what we need to get justice for your family member. >> judy's family was losing hopes. and then and breakthrough eight months after judy's death the sheriff's office agreed to allow sled to take charge of the case, that is south carolina's top law enforcement agency. what does ladd do now that they are taking this over? >> they jumped in. >> agents went to the house and took another look, re-examined the autopsy findings. they came to the same conclusion, it all added up to homicide. >> we said we definitely have enough to present to a grand jury at this point. >> for judy's family it was a long time coming. in august 2018 a year and half after her death jamie baldwin was arrested for the murder of his wife. >> you get a call finally that jamie has been arrested. were you shocked? >> you could breathe a little bit. he's arrested for the murder of our mom. >> by now came the hard part, how to prosecute a case with little physical evidence. this was no slam dunk. >> far from it. the family knew going in that we had a real battle. >> coming up, maybe her falling off the latter isn't going to be a good explanation as to why she has these horrible injuries. he comes up with the idea that she was ejected from the vehicle. >> the jaw-dropping story told by the jeep. >> most people are aware playing have black boxes, vehicles have them too. in this case judy's wrangler had a lockbox. >> it did. it did. and with vitiligo, the pursuit for your pigment is no exception. it's time you had a proven choice to help restore what's yours. opzelura is the first and only fda-approved prescription treatment for nonsegmental vitiligo. proven to help repigment skin over time. restoring what's yours. it's possible with a steroid-free cream that you can apply yourself. opzelura can lower your ability to fight infections including tb or hepatitis b or c. serious lung infections, skin cancer, blood clots, and low blood cell counts occurred with opzelura. in people taking jak inhibitors, serious infections, increased risk of death, lymphoma, other cancers, and major cardiovascular events have occurred. the most common side effects were acne and itching where applied. repigmentation is possible. ask your dermatologist today about starting or refilling opzelura. pursue it. ♪ you're the one that i want ♪ nexgard® combo is the only monthly topical that protects against fleas, ticks, tapeworms, and more. use with caution in cats with a history of seizures or neurologic disorders. nexgard combo,... ♪ you're the one that i want ♪ ...the monthly one-and-done you want. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. diabetes can serve up a lot of questions. like what is your glucose and can you have more carbs? 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>> i thought it was going to have a huge impact. >> we offered a plea deal. he turned it down. >> jamie baldwin pleaded not guilty. >> it was probably the most substantially circumstantial evidence that i had ever tried in a murder case. >> candace lively set out to prove jamie killed his wife and then tried to cover it up. >> this is unfortunately simply about someone who wanted to get rid of his wife. someone who wanted to have control of what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it. >> lightly told jurors the couple had argued multiple times about terry king. on the night of judy's that she believes judy demanded her husband end his relationship with terry. >> he got extremely angry. he has a temper. he attacked her at that mantle. >> the prosecutor alleged in a fit of rage jamie took one of the stocking holders and hit judy so hard it caused her brain to believe, leaving her with those raccoon eyes. >> this thing is heavy. >> very heavy. >> the shape closely matched the irregular cut on judy's head. >> whenever you look at the picture of the santa stocking holder it really fit the ridges in that unusual laceration. >> a medical expert testified after judy was attacked she probably died within five minutes. lively argued that it went jamie came up with his elaborate plan to cover up his crime. >> he comes up with this idea of maybe her falling off a ladder isn't going to be a good explanation as to why she has these horrible injuries. >> she said he took his wife's dead body, put it in the jeep and took a dark rule road so he wouldn't be seen when he stage the accident. >> he came up with the idea that she was ejected from the vehicle. he pulled her out in stages her. >> to prove that the prosecution relied on the end lance corporal brian trotter, an accident reconstruction expert with the state highway patrol was on the scene that night. he testified and showed us how a device in the jeep recorded the last second of the vehicles movement. most people are aware that a plane has black boxes. i was not aware vehicles have them too. in this case judy's wrangler had a black box. >> i took this one out of a retired police car to show you what they look like. >> in simple terms when there is accident the car hit something and it triggers the black box to start recording information. what did you learn? >> the one for this case came back with no data. >> that is actually really important? >> in this case it is. >> it means no crash. the theory is jamie slowly and purposely drove his jeep into the creek. the most surprising witness was terry king, the woman at the center of the alleged love triangle. >> i was hoping when she was finally put under oath in court that she would come clean. >> terry was no longer living with jamie. with jamie. teri flat out denieg a romantic relationship even though she was and witness for the state the prosecutor immediately faced a big challenge. terry flat-out denied having a romantic relationship with jamie. with jamie. andrea canning: but the prosecutor did have text messages sent between teri and jamie. >> the prosecutor did have text messages sent between terry and jamie. d jamie. the judge ruled she could not show them to the jury, but she could question terry about them. about them. andrea canning: teri testified, she and jamie were just platonic roommates, nothing more. >> jamie were just platonic roommates and nothing more. you felt that terry was misleading the jury? >> absolutely. she had tried to mislead us for months as well. >> lightly said she has suspicions, but never found evidence to prove it. terry denied any involvement. the defense was up next. they were ready to exploit all the holes in the prosecution's case. would it be enough to set jamie free? coming up ... >> an expert witness says judy's blood in the jeep proves the prosecution is wrong about when she died. >> if she is actively bleeding she is alive. >> and then the verdict. >> everybody was holding hands and you could hear everybody gas. >> when dateline continues. gas. >> when dateline continues. but this is my story. 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>> every time i talk to her. >> not only that she told jurors she whenever the tray judy. tray judy. andrea canning: most importantly, the defense insisted, there was no crime, just two tragic accidents. most importantly, the defense insisted there was no crime, just two tragic accidents and, they said, the state didn't have any evidence to prove otherwise. >> there was no dna. there were no fingerprints and there was no weapon. >> they call detective reynolds to the stand and attacked his investigation. his investigation. ourselves in this situation. they would have cleared up all those questions at that time, >> how does that all play into your defense? >> had a done a better job we probably would not have found ourselves in the situation. this would've gone down as an accident. it's what it was. >> the defense did agree the stocking holder may have caused due to spinal injury, but not because jamie used it as a weapon. >> we believe she was on the ladder and fell and struck the ornament that was sitting on the mantelpiece and fell to the floor. >> ross gardner testified and told us all the blood found in the jeep proved something crucial, that she was alive when they crashed. he pointed to the blood on the bumper, the passenger door and the saturation of blood on her seat. >> we are looking at the passenger seat. what we can see is there is saturation throughout. >> gardner says contrary to the theory that judy died within five minutes at her home the evidence in the jeep proved that was impossible. >> if she is actively bleeding she is technically alive. her heart is beating. after leaving the house literally this tells us she was bleeding while in the jeep. >> the defense also pointed to several experts, including the prosecution who all agreed judy's injuries could've been accidental. >> having three medical experts who cannot say this is definitely not an accident. in my mind there is reasonable doubt. >> after seven days of testimony the case went to the jury. the prosecutor felt there was a good chance jamie could walk. she turned to the family for support and judy herself. >> i really felt i had judy on my shoulder. i felt that family really gave me a lot of hope. >> less than three hours later there was a burdick. >> everybody was holding hands as tight as we could. when they were at that verdict you could hear everyone gasped. >> with the jury on the defendant guilty of murder. of we finally got justice for mom. >> i just broke down and cried. i couldn't believe it. we finally got justice for mom. >> detective chris reynolds was in the courthouse that day too. he believes the jury made the right decision. he wants the public to know he did more than they think to look into judy's death. still, he realizes because of his incomplete investigation a killer might've walked free. you get emotional over this? >> i take it personal. this case was a big learning experience. i've never dropped the ball on anything. that night i did and i am sorry. >> jamie never took the stand but did speak at his sentencing. his sentencing. andrea canning: the judge sentenced the 60-year-old to life in prison without the chance of parole. the judge sentenced the 60-year- old to life in prison without the chance of parole. is he evil? >> 100% evil, satan's spawn 100%. >> judy's family says they can finally move on with their lives. there is one thing that brings them peace. you are religious. does that give you any comfort to know your mom and dad are now together? >> they are in a better place than we are. >> what would you say to judy? >> i will tell her that i love her and i would give her the biggest hug. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. thank you for watching. ank you this sunday edition of morning joe weekend. it was another fast-moving news week. here are more of the conversations you ekmight have missed. donald trump and his allies are ratcheting up their calls for revenge against de