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They said, were going to have to kill you now. A strange story that only got stranger. They had purple gloves on. And they had blue, fuzzy gloves. Something isnt right here. Could he have killed his own father . What really happened in that house . I did not do this. Then a witness came forward and changed everything. In this bizarre story, the strangest thing of all is the truth. He planned for any scenario, except for the one that happened to him. Hello and welcome to dateline. Kay was a strong minded man who had built a fortune, and a fortress to protect it. Then kay was attacked, turning his home into a bloody crime scene. How, police wondered, could someone so vigilant be taken by surprise . It was a riddle that threatened to destroy the family until someone with an explosive secret revealed the horrifying truth. Heres Keith Morrison with mystery in payson canyon. There are people on this fwloer use gorgeous sunkissed planet of ours who get up each morning to the miracle of being alive and worry. Not that there arent things to worry about, of course. Whether we can do anything about them or not. But some people worry a very great deal indeed and do try to be prepared for whatever. And one of those prepared people was a brilliant retired University Professor named Kay Mortensen whose sister was a woman named fern. I said, kay what would happen if im not prepared and im hungry or my kids are hungry, can we come to your house . He said no, ill probably just shoot you. Jestingly, he wouldnt have, but he was definitely willing to protect what he had. Oh, yes, he certainly was. And sure enough, one night 911, whats the address of your emergency . But were getting ahead of ourselves. What happened that night was a long time coming. It was long before that when kay became a survivalist. With attitude. You knew exactly what he thought about everything. Even though he knew what he was saying was going to be outrageous and not accepted, he would say it anyway. He had a black belt in karate. He owned scores of firearms. Kept guns in just about every room of the house. And in all of his cars. A fully stocked concrete bunker outside his home in payson, utah. He had food, he had everything there, you know. Water, way to go to the bathroom, magazines, books to read. Kay was very clear about it with his wife, darla. He says, this is where you and i are going to end up because theres going to be a nuclear war. Id say, i dont want to live if everyone else is dying. So oh, he was a true patriot. He worried about things and wanted to be prepared for the civil war that was going to erupt. So he was a little over the top. Darla wasnt thrilled about it, but she accepted him and his radical views. After all, they were still kind of in their honeymoon phase. It was all kind of surreal. I think we both felt like we were back being teenagers again. Because we both, you know, hadnt really had love for quite a few years. Theyd found each other late in life after both had raised families. Kay had three Adult Children by then, one of them, his eldest, roger, stayed close. He was my best friend. We did everything together. Mind you, roger was not at all like kay. For one thing, hed suffered a brain injury in an accident years ago, so unlike kay, he couldnt work much, lived on disability. But he liked to hang out with his dad. We lived less than a mile apart because we did enjoy spending so much time together. If i ever needed help, hed be there in a minute to help me. Although, said rogers wife pam, it wasnt always easy. Thats just the way kay was wired. Rogers dad was a very strongwilled person. It was his way or the highway. So roger learned early to shy away from confrontation with his father. Not at all now it was with his new love, darla. When she was around, they said kays tough hide melted. We knew that he really loved her and he was willing to compromise and do some things to make her happy also. Did it seem to soften him up a little bit . Yes, it did. A lot. It did. So kay and darla got married. And they were as happy as either had ever been. They said, we have plenty of money, well just have fun. Kay was a rich man. Made most of his money buying gold at 250 an ounce, said darla. He just had the foresight. Hed always he was, you know the dollar bills not going to be worth anything. He put his money into a trust so that roger and his other children would inherit everything once he was gone. Heaven knows he wasnt spending it. Worth millions, but he was very frugal. Very frugal. And i just i used to say to him, you know, like he just id say, when is it youre going to spend your money, you know . What are you waiting for . So kay promised darla hed travel with her, see the world. But he made sure his bunker was stocked. And he kept his guns close in hand. Just in case. And then it was november 16th, 2009. Darla was away watching her granddaughters. Kay was alone at his house in payson. 911, whats the address of your emergency . It was evening when the call came in. I i have help on the way but i just need to get some information. Are you sure that hes dead . Darla was on her way home. Her cell phone chirped. It was a neighbor. He says, somethings terrible happened up payson canyon, i think its at your house. Darlas mind flashed to kay and his guns. And i thought, oh my gosh, hes probably shot somebody, an invader or something. She phoned a family friend. I said, somethings going on, im alone, i need to be with somebody, can you come down and be with me . Chris rushed to meet darla at the foot of the canyon. Police had blocked off the road that led to kay and darlas house. Now darla and chris thought exactly the same thing. Kay probably shot someone. Coming up roger makes an agonizing discovery and stumbles directly into a murder scene. 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Ask your veterinarian for apoquel next to you, apoquel is a dogs best friend. Put yourselves through all that pain. Go on, humans, waltz around in those foot knives, watch your blue light lanterns, blast those eardrum bangers look at this one hes trying to pick up the mail hah silly. Oh. Silly humans. Who do you think you are . Pain will bring you to your senses. You cannot keep this up pain says you cant. Advil says you can. Everyone knew that Kay Mortensen was always prepared. Surrounded himself with a veritable arsenal of firearms. Just a tough old bird who could defend himself against just about anything. He always would say, if anyone tries to break in here, ill kill them. But life, no matter how well we prepare, is full of rude surprises. As it was for Kay Mortensen. It was november 16th, 2009, just before thanksgiving. Hi, this is we have the police on the way to help you there, are you sure your dads cold to the touch . Kay did not shoot some intruder as hed long promised he was prepared to do. No, somebody killed him. Without firing a shot. And the man on the phone reporting the crime . Roger mortensen, kays eldest son. Sliced his throat . Yes. It wasnt long before kays wife darla had made it to the mouth of the canyon and was led to the command post that had been set up just down the hill from their home. Thats where they gave her the news. Your life just comes tumbling down. You know, you have it all planned out. You think you know what its going to be. And then everythings gone. Kay caught off guard . Not kay, thought darla, impossible. But that seemed to be just what happened. At least thats what roger and pam told the police, and later us. And a very strange story it was that began, they said, when pam received a pie at work as a gift. We knew how much he loved that pecan pie, and we decided as soon as she got home from work, to take him that pie. So they said they went to his house, intending to drop off the pie, and then leave. But when they got there, they said, there was an unfamiliar car in the driveway. Pam said she knocked on the door and a young man answered. I said, is kay here . He said, he is, hes upstairs. I said, were just here to drop off a pie. And they said, go ahead in. I got to about the landing when i was asked to come back down. I heard the door shut. And when i turned around, thats when i saw the gun. What was it like to see that . It was a shock. As soon as we turned around and saw the gun, another guy started walking down the stairs also. He had it in his hand, a lot of zip ties. They turned to us and said, youre here at the wrong place, wrong time, pull out your hand. The intruder zip tied their wrists, forced them down on the floor and zip tied their ankles. After we were tied up, they said sorry, youve seen our faces, were going to have to kill you. Pam, quaking in terror, she said, looked up at a picture of jesus that was hanging on the living room wall. I kept thinking, heavenly father, if you really love me and care for me, please make us get through this. And it calmed me to keep looking at that picture of christ. And to be able to help roger stay calm. That really had an impact on you . It did. Huh, why . It just brought me comfort, it brought me peace, to know that even if they killed you . To know that the my heavenly father loves me and that he would do the right thing for me. Both men left the room, they said, and then roger began praying aloud. He was in midsentence, he said, when the men walked back in and something quite amazing happened. My wife nudged me and she says, okay, be quiet, theyre back. One of them says, no, thats okay, keep praying, go ahead. And they both folded their arms in front of them and bowed their heads and listened to me as i continued this entire prayer. How weird is that . When i got done with the prayer we both sat down. Their demeanor changed at that point. One of them looked at us and says, well, weve decided were not going to kill you. Weve decided that were going to tell you a story that you need to relay to the police. What was that story that the intruders told them to say . That three black men with ski masks invaded the house. Three, not two, as they actually were. Black, not white, as they actually were. And then, said roger, they took his drivers license, told him theyd know if he or pam ever told the truth, and if that happened, theyd hunt him down and theyd kill him. Then the two men left. Roger and pam waited awhile, got out of the zip ties, and roger ran upstairs while pam dialed 911 and was on the phone with the operator when roger found his father in the upstairs bathroom. And i saw my father kneeling over the bathtub. His feet were tied, and he was his head was down in the bathtub. Inconceivable. Tough, resilient, armed to the teeth kay murdered with his own kitchen knife . What a story. Eric knutzen, then a sergeant with the Utah County Sheriffs Office, was assigned as one of the lead detectives. He was sitting in the office when from up to the house the first officer to talk with pam and roger called him. And said, you know, something isnt right here, it seems from his perception that maybe this is some things were staged or some things were just not what he would think would be normal for a crime as heinous or vicious as this. Something about that bizarre story didnt sit right. He just couldnt put his finger on it. Not yet, anyway. Coming up, problem was, that bizarre story got weirder by the minute. They had purple gloves on, and they had blue, fuzzy gloves. When dateline continues. S e as 30 minutes. Hiya get 30minute pickup at walgreens. 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Helpless to defend himself inside his own sacred fortress. The killer had bent him over his own bathtub, slashed his throat several times. All those guns and not a single one fired. It seemed so personal. Sergeant eric knutzen of the Utah County Sheriffs Office got a briefing from the first officer at the scene who turned on his audio recorder when he met kays son roger and rogers wife, pam. Roger had found the body and was already suggesting possible killers. He told me he had an appointment for lunch at noon with a guy names mike kipp discussing 25,000 worth of guns. Mike kipp . Mike was kays former student. Roger and pam identify him real quick, hes involved, he owes my dad money, hes the one who did this. Roger told detectives that kay was holding a collection of mikes weapons, about 30 of them, mostly pistols and rifles and some shotguns. Kay put the guns in his bunker. Roger thought there might be a grudge involved. When detectives went to look for the guns, they were gone. So we pull in michael kipp that night too. We interview him. And we can get his alibi. Its quick. Nothing suspicious about it, it turned out. Mike had not a thing to do with kays murder. He simply needed money, and kay agreed to buy his guns. By now tips were coming in. And this female said, its the baker boys. She said, the baker boys did this. The baker boys were brothers who, fairly or not, had developed a reputation as the towns troublemakers. Detectives found them. They had solid alibis. Then the next day another tip. A woman who implicated her own husband. He came home last night, the time frame before the homicide, he grabbed a bunch of stuff including a knife, and hes been looking for guns, so i know hes involved. But the womans husband was eventually eliminated as a suspect. Detectives hoped maybe the stolen guns would lead them to kays killer. And we recovered a lot of firearms that were stolen, just again, none linked. That just highlighted another aspect of the mystery. Kay, remember, collected firearms, had close to 100 valuable guns locked up at his house. Yet the thieves just stole the cheaper ones from the bunker. Pretty bizarre robbery, to take those guns and not take the far more valuable collection that kay had . Agreed. In fact, the inside of kays house was pristine, untouched, no sign anybody had stolen anything. If this was a home invasion, it was an odd one. But by then, truth be told, detectives were already homing in on the two people who admitted they were there the whole time, kays son roger and his wife pam. Youre sure that hes dead . Starting with that 911 call they made, something odd about it. Didnt sound how i would think that a phone call should be made to 911 after discovering your father had just been killed with the throat cut and zip tied in the bathtub. Roger and pam, said the detectives, appeared to be unemotional, uncaring, even callous. Even though they claimed that gunmen stood over them, kept them hostage for almost two hours, at first pam couldnt seem to describe the man. The guy who had the gun what did he look like . White guy, black gishgs hispanic . Maam, i dont know. She seemed uncertain even about the number of gunmen. How many were there . How many guys were there . Um there could have been three. Listen to what happened next. Roger took the phone and changed the story. Were they white, black, hispanic . They were white. Three white males, okay, but two white males. Two white males . Roger explained the reason for all the apparent confusion, that if they ever revealed what their captors looked like, theyd be hunted down and killed. Did you buy that . Not really, i didnt. They didnt appear fearful. They were saying it, they werent really acting fearful. Anyway, why would vicious killers not have killed them too . Night of the murder, knutzen interviewed them. My names air knutzen. Im pam. Nervous, agitated . Not nervous or agitated, unemotional. Even at times cold toward the victim, rogers father. Hes a cantankerous old fart. As they told their story, detectives started noticing subtle differences. They had blue fuzzy gloves. They looked like womens Winter Driving gloves or something. The fuzzy kind. They had i know they had purple gloves on. Purple, you know medical gloves. Lots of details on which they didnt agree. So sergeant knutzen decided to employ a wellknown Police Interview technique. He got tough, accusing. Quite frankly, i think the storys a bunch of crap. I think the storys a bunch of crap that you and roger have come up with, okay . Sorry you dont believe me. But im trying to. Does it sound too rehearsed . Or yeah. Okay. I want them to say, i had nothing to do with this. You know . Detective, youre crazy, i had nothing to do with this, thats what i wanted to hear. And it never came out. Listen to what did come out. A search of their home appeared that they were in financial trouble. Dete detectives found collection notices and unsent mortgage coupons, suggesting at least that they were behind in their house payments. I know were in a lot of debt. But we i, personally, would not have my fatherinlaw killed for his money. And yet, as roger told the detective i get a big share of my dads millions too. Within days of the murder, pam and roger agreed to go back to the house with detectives for a videotaped retelling of their intruder story. At the front door, my wife was holding the pie right here. That provide you any useful information . It provided useful information from our standpoint as far as more circumstantial evidence that theyre not being 100 truthful. Once again, detectives heard foggy memories. She either knocked on the door or rang the doorbell, i believe she knocked on the door. They heard dialogue that sounded like a bad crime movie. He pointed at us and said, youre here at the wrong time, put out your hands. Then there was that same strange lack of emotion. When roger described what should have been the worst moment of his life i came back downstairs and my wife was talking at the time to 911 dispatch. And i said, hes dead. Roger and pam took a polygraph test. And what do you know, roger was found to be deceptive. And pam was jumpy. The operator couldnt complete the test. But still, roger and pam swore up and down they had nothing to do with it, they were victims themselves. Truth be told, the Police Needed some real evidence. And out of the blue, something arrived. Investigators are confronted with new evidence, and strange does not begin to describe it. Someone saw the killing, in a dream. Coming up so i have a photo lineup drawn up, and she puts her finger on it. Puts it right on rogers face. When dateline continues. Derriere discomfort. We try to soothe it with this. Cool it with this. 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Soon, an unlikely witness would bolster the case with her own chilling tale of what happened tonight. Continuing with mystery in payton canyon, heres Keith Morrison. Within days of Kay Mortensens murder, members of his family began hearing deeply troubling reports from the Utah County Sheriffs Office. The investigation was leading, sure as can be, detectives told them, to kays own son, roger, and rogers wife, pam. Darla said she couldnt believe it at first. I was just adamant that they couldnt have done it. I was their biggest defender. But then detectives asked her to listen to roger and pams recorded statements, and she too started to wonder. They told lies. And then it got it just put more suspicion on them. Gradually her conviction grew. Same for kays sister fern. I could buy the fact that they were thinking of rogers involvement. There were just too many things about roger and pams story that didnt make any sense to fern. And there was Something Else too. A possible witness. Remember that woman who suspected her husband was involved . The police found them here in Salt Lake City at a drug binge with some friends. They were high on meth. And one of the people there, a woman named cammy bills, told the detectives she had a story to tell about a dream shed had. She describes in what she calls a dream seeing somebody get killed. She describes being outside of a room. She describes a female off to her left crying in hysterics. She describes three or four males in the bathroom. And she says theres one male who i think is related to the female thats on the floor screaming. And remember, the woman was on methamphetamine, reporting not what she saw, but what she dreamed she saw. Still, you never know till you ask. So i have a photo lineup drawn up. And she stares at it, she puts her head down, she puts her finger on it. She puts it right on rogers face. The next day, detectives took cammy todays house, showed her the crime scene. And again, she named roger. I cant really see roger. Just arms. Hes holding kay. You dont hear a story like that and say, wow, thats a piece of crap. Go on from there . No, not when she gives that amount of detail. Suspicion of roger and pam was hardening by the minute. What did this do to you . It three me for a loop. When pam and roger attended kays funeral, the tension was thick. It was very difficult to be there, because everybody wanted to know what happened that night. But they couldnt say anything, said pam, detectives told them not to. My sister came up to me at one point and says, tell me what really happened. And i told her, im sorry, i cannot talk about ths. Shortly after roger and pam took the polygraph test and were told about the dismal results, they hired a lawyer. Few in the mortensen family could understand why they would do a thing like that, if they were innocent, that is. I tried to say, what would i do if i was in their situation . I would do everything i could to help get these people that had caused such horror in their lives and murdered kay. On the advice of their attorneys, roger and pam stopped talking. And the lopsided rift in the mortensen family widened from mistrust to anger to outright accusation. Chris andris, the woman darla called the night of the murder, was one of very few people who continued to support roger and pam. They were left to hang out and dry. How did you feel about that . Oh, so angry. I was just so, so angry. I couldnt believe that that you could love somebody and do that to them. Even if i thought roger had done it, i would not have abandoned him. And they did . Oh, absolutely did. Not only did they abandon him, they crucified him. Months dragged by. Roger and pam were Headline News in utah. But in the absence of definitive physical evidence linking them to kays murder, they remained free. Day by day they went about their business as if their lives were still quite normal. Then on july 28th, 2010, utah county prosecutor tim taylor took a dramatic step to break the logjam. He presented the case against roger and pam to a grand jury. So why call the grand jury . Why not just charge them . We thought the grand jury was a great tool to force them to come in to talk. It was a secret proceeding. No defendants, no defense attorney, only prosecutors, police, some members of the mortensen family, even some of pams coworkers, all in front of 16 jurors whose job was to decide whether or not they should charge roger and pam with kays murder. And in just over an hour, the jury decided to indict. So what did that say to you . Well, there was enough to proceed. Sort of reinforced what you were already thinking . It did. And that same day, eight months after Kay Mortensen was found dead in his home, roger and pam were deposited in the county jail. Chris andris, the family friend who still believed they were innocent, went to rogers sister. And i said, julie, we need some money to hire an attorney for roger. We think pams family can come up with money for pam but weve got to get him a separate attorney, can you help me . Theres millions of dollars in the trust. She told me, her words were, not one red penny will be spent on his defense. Julie told us she did not use those specific words, but she said the family was advised by their attorney not to use kays money to pay for rogers defense. Which meant that roger, who stood to inherit a big chunk of his dads millions, would have to rely on a public defender. Were he and pam diabolical killers as detectives and their own family had come to believe . Of course we and everybody else just had to know. Coming up roger and pam face some tough questions. As the interrogations continue, your stories didnt stay the same, according to the police, at least. When dateline continues. 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Our viewers hear that 911 call and think, wait a minute, somethings wrong there, that doesnt you know, people scream on 911 calls, theyre crazed. And i think i was in a lot of shock too. And i dont know the real reason why i was i could stay as calm as i can, but i just thats just my personality and thats the type of person i am. And although she didnt sound like it, she was terrified, she said. Their captors had just threatened to kill them if they told the truth. When the 911 operator asked me, how many were there . I was totally confused what to say. Do i tell the truth . Which is what i wanted to do. Roger said he knew exactly what he had to do when he discovered his father in the bathtub. And i hollered down to her while she was still on the phone, tell them the exact truth, we are going to get these guys. But pam said she still couldnt spit it out. I was kind of staggering through what was going on. Well, there was two, maybe there was three. Because i didnt know i was terrified for my life still. And i didnt know what i should have said. What about their Police Interrogations . When their stories didnt match . I thought their gloves were one color, she thought their gloves were another color. Other than that our stories were basically the same. They both cooperated fully, said roger. Kept talking for days. Even as Police Brought up one accusation after another. There was an inheritance involved . Yes. And you talked about that with the police. I may have. Im not sure. Well, according to them, you talked about it. And it provided one of the classic motivations that children have for killing their parents. Cops run into it all the time. Right . They say they do. And thats clearly what they were thinking when they talked to you. Yes. Did they make that clear . They didnt make very much clear to us. They just said we were not being cooperative with them, even though from the very beginning we told them everything that happened. They just didnt believe it. They didnt believe that two people would kill one person and leave two more alive. Perhaps. But what about roger and pams apparent financial troubles . We were not having any financial problems. If we were having financial problems, my father would be glad to help us. We had that type of relationship. They were certainly not debt free, they said, but didnt amount to a whole lot. As for the pile of unsent mortgage coupons, theyd simply started paying online, they said, like everybody else. As for that failed polygraph test, roger said he should never have been asked to take it. Remember, hes on disability because years ago he had a serious accident that left him with a brain injury which caused, among other things, shortterm memory loss and confusion and the sort of thing that would make a polygraph result quite useless. I said, how could i have failed . I did not do this. So was he lying . Or did police have it all wrong . They didnt know how to proceed. They could not find fingerprints because the people had gloves on. They didnt find a gun because they took it with them. They didnt know what to do. So being confused, they went after the easiest subjects they could find. That was us. The days piled up. A month, two months, four months in jail, waiting for their day in court, a day for which rogers lawyer maybe wasnt quite so eager as they were. We had a case that i believed in. We had a case i thought we could defend. At the end of the day, i was scared. And no one was prepared when one cold winter day, in the Utah County Sheriffs Office, the phone rang. Coming up the unexpected call. The truth revealed. A surprising ending you wont believe, when dateline continues. Were carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100 online. 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Ask your doctor about oncedaily trelegy. And save at trelegy. Com. Ask your doctor about oncedaily trelegy. [whats this . ] oh, are we kicking karly out . We live with at t. It was a lapse in judgment. At t, we called this house meeting because you advertise gigspeed internet, but we cant sign up for that here. Yeah, but im just like warming up to those speeds. Youve lived here two years. The personal attacks arent helping, karly. Dont you have like a hot pilates class to get to or something . [ muffled scream ] stop living with at t. Xfinity can deliver gig to the most homes. Summer turned into winter again. The family marked the grim anniversary of Kay Mortensens murder. As kays son roger and his daughterinlaw pam cooled their heels in jail awaiting trial, all the while maintaining their innocence. Pam said she was offered a deal if she turned states evidence against roger. If you just tell them what they want to hear, then you could go home. But for me i was not going to lie just so that i could be a free person. Rogers public defender, anthony howell, believed his client was innocent. I was looking for that piece of evidence that would be ah, thats the thing i cant explain. And there just was nothing. But here was the rub. Howell knew juries, and as trial approached he was deeply unsettled. I was worried he was going to be convicted regardless of what i tried to do. Why . Because this is the kind of case where a jury would be worried that if they didnt convict then they would be letting a murderer go free. But howell didnt get the opportunity to defend his client in court. The reason was that phone call to the Utah County Sheriffs Office, a call from a woman named rachel bingham. And heres what she had to say. What she had been blocking out was a bombshell. Her exhusband, martin bond, told her he and a friend named benjamin retig, went to kays house to steal his guns. Bond, she said, told her everything. Took him to the bathroom and bent him over the tub. And cut his throat. And then the two were roger and pam. And we know the rest of the story. Rachel bingham kept the secret for months until finally her conscience won out. And she told the police one more thing. How the crooks got the drop on Kay Mortensen. It turned out that martins dad and kay were old friends. Kay had known martin as a kid. Which is why kay, armed against intruders, welcomed him in and turned his back to his killers. He had planned for any worst Case Scenario to happen. Except for the one that happened to him. In that there are so many ironies, arent there . There are so many ironies, yeah. The biggest perhaps . Roger and pams crazy stories about armed intruders was true all along. Though sergeant knutzen still had trouble believing it. I can pick up the case and i can read through it and i can read through it and i can see discrepancy after discrepancy. I can see but can you see where maybe that aint enough . Yeah. Mmhmm. As for treating his possible evidence, the dream sequence of a girl on meth . This is evidence . Well, its more circumstantial evidence. Its a lead. Youd even call that circumstantial evidence . I think its definitely something wed follow up with. Saying she had a dream. Its a good dream. And its pretty close. And in the end the prosecutor admitted he and the detectives got it wrong. Based upon the new physical evidence that we have located, we anticipate dismissing the charges against roger and Pam Mortensen tomorrow. Roger and pam were finally freed. Those 4 1 2 months seemed like 4 1 2 thousand years. I felt like i was in there forever. Pam got a standing ovation from an unlikely crowd. As i was walking out of that big dorm area, there was 90 women clapping and cheering for me. They knew i was innocent. And for me having the situation that ive dealt with with Rogers Family turning against us, friends turning against us, to have that support of those people that people would consider criminals, to have them cheer and yell and scream was a very emotional thing for me. Pam wanted the prosecutor to issue a public apology. That would help make up for what all this has cost them, she said. We offered the prosecutor this forum. Am i sorry . Yeah, i am. I have no problem with saying that i made a mistake. We didnt try to defraud anyone. We didnt try to lie. We didnt try to fabricate anything. But we made a mistake. Pam and roger filed a lawsuit, arguing that the prosecutors and detectives lied to the grand jury. But just a few months later the u. S. Supreme court ruled that grand jury witnesses and prosecutors were immune from civil litigation. So the judge dismissed their case. So let me understand this. The police come to your house. Youre arrested. Your names are dragged through the mud. Then somebody gets the right guy. And they say, well, bye, see you later. Exactly. As in this many cases, bond and retig ended up blaming each other. Retig took a deal, got 25 to life. Bond went to trial, was convicted, and is doing life without parole. The star prosecution witness, rachel bingham. And if she hadnt come forward, would two innocent people be in prison today . Its going to chase you for a while. A little. But i can put it behind me. The case is closed out. What im happy about for me personally is the family has closure. But do they . It isnt just kays murder they must learn to live with but also the wreckage strewn for god knows how long through the family story. I had emotions of happiness and relief but still theres some regret that i didnt support roger and pam. From the beginning. It changes your perspective on the world. It really does. And by the way, said roger and pam, a little piece of advice. If anything happens and theres anything dealing with law enforcement, you dont say a word and you get an attorney. As for darla, whod finally found the love of her life, what was there to say . That moment of sunshine snatched away, huh . Yep. You just take what life brings you and its not always what youd expect it. When youre a young girl, you have all your dreams of what your lifes going to be, and somehow it just doesnt quite work out that way. All of your new best friends . One of thems missing. A body was found in one of their apartments. How am i doing right now . I had to put it into one word . Numb would be the closest. It was a mystery where nothing was as it seemed. Except for the body. Its so hard, you know. She was 23. She was a dancer. He was a veteran. Shed been murdered. Theres a body in my sons apartment. He had disappeared. Does your son know who it is . Hes not here