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Dad. The clues, that lovers triangle, cash, and a bearded lady. They said it looked like a woman in a fake beard, a really thin guy. Its a mystery with so many headsnapping turns it took two trials. You wait 18 years for justice only to have the carpet pulled out from under you. To uncover the truth. We have a verdict. But was it the truth . An adulterer is a person whos done evil things. But that does not make him a murderer. I looked at him, i said hey, lets go down to the comic book store and help barb with the party. We pulled out to the party, the Police Stopped us. I knew immediately, all the crime scene tape was there, and they said you cant go through. Were investigating a homicide. Were investigating the comic book store. The comic book store was a mom and pop shop in a strip mall outside detroit. Bins for the fantasy big guys, spidey, hulk, xmen. But in the Storage Space in back was an ugly reality. One of the shop owners, the woman was on the floor with the life draining out of her. Customers had found her. Most of the time we were there on friday nights. Did was yul of 1990, a friday the 13th, when tom and lenora ward stopped by the comic book shop before going out to dinner. They liked buying from the woman there, barb. She knew our names. Immediately when we would walk in she would light up with a smile. Many times she would actually come around the counter to greet us. But not on this summer evening. It was just after 6 00. Tom and lenora had picked out a comic, but there was no one behind the counter to take their money. Not barb or her husband michael, the coowner. It wasnt uncommon that someone wouldnt be at the cash register. But this was a longer than normal time. So we thought we would stick around just to make sure because we liked her. Some teenage customers were also in the shop browsing and they too were itchy to pay and go. They were the first ones to peek into the back room and see barb sprawled. Cried out theres somebody back here and at that time tom and i rushed to the back storage area and found barb on the floor. We thought she perhaps had fallen backwards and hit her head. I noticed that she was blue around her mouth. Her pupils were dilated and big. And i could not find a pulse. Lenora the customer happened to be a nurse and took charge. She noticed only a small amount of blood and concluded that barb had suffered a heart attack or a sheeshz. She told her husband to call 911 while she began administering cpr. I had never done cpr on someone that i knew and loved. It was please, god, let this be okay, shes a mother. As the ambulance rushed barb to the hospital, lenora ward felt shed done her professional best. But she wasnt at all sure her prayers would be answered. I knew that she was medically in dire straits. The woman rushed into the emergency room that evening was 32yearold Barbara George. She was a little heavy but physically fit, an enthusiastic softball and volleyball player. Doctors and nurses began working feverishly to get a pulse. Thumg the wom thumping the womans chest in rapid bursts. One e. R. Nurse was kris kehoe. If you can give 100 compressions a minute to that patient the better the chance of revierg the heart. But after 15 minutes it was all over. A doctor pronounced barb george, the mother of two, dead. It fell to nurse kehoe to clean up the body to view. Thats when she saw it. When we were straightening up her hair we noticed some blood on the top of her head. I noticed there was a small hole. My first thought as a nurse was that it had to be a bullet hole there. Imagine that, Barbara George, the nice lady behind the counter, shot to death. We were shocked. Shot in the head . It didnt seem like it could happen to such a good person. Back at the comic book shop, friends and family continued to arrive for what was supposed to be a Surprise Birthday Party that night for Michael George, barbs husband. What a pleasant night it should have been, with toasts, the singing of happy birthday, and all the superheroes from his beloved marvel and action comics looking on. All those guests now stunned to find the party turned into a crime scene. And barb, the hostess, dead. Coming up, what could be two key clues to solving the mystery. Right after the murder witnesses reported seeing a speeding car. And we both thought to ourselves and then said it to each other, boy, that cars going too fast. And a man waiting outside the comic book shop. He had on kind of a dark outfit for that time of the year. A greek fishermans cap is how i would describe it. When dateline continues. Es does cleansing drain the life out of your skin . Try garnier micellar water rose. 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Joe kowynia is barbs brother. When we met joe, he earned a living by removing dents and dings from cars. But back in 1990 he was the kid brother who looked up to his sister, admired her on the softball field where she was a standout. I used to go to her games. I remember going to the tournaments with the family. You know, she was your typical older sister. She was always there to help you. Barb had been brought up in a traditional polish catholic family. And when she found her man, Michael George, marriage became the organizing principle of her life. Was she a happy bride . Very happy. Yeah. She couldnt she couldnt wait. And when children came along, two girls, Barbara George seemed complete. Her kids were her pride and joy, and i think that was everything to her. The night of friday the 13th brother joe and his then girlfriend, now mary shamo, drove over to the comic shop for what was to be a celebration. Barbs Surprise Birthday Party in the store for michael. He was turning 30. Michaels mother was going keep the two kids at her house for the weekend while barb and michael took off after the party for a cozy couple of days at a lodge. So that would have been a friday night and it was going to be a romantic weekend . Right. A weekend not meant to be because by the time joe and mary got to the comic book store just before 9 00, there was confusion, cop cars. We pulled up and joe rolled down the window and the Police Stopped us and they said you cant go through, were investigating a homicide. Somebody was killed. I immediately thought mike because i thought no one hated my sister. Absolutely nobody. But the victim wasnt mike. It was joes sister. And it was up to detective Sergeant Donald steckman to make sense of the senseless. Hed been the investigator on duty when the hospital called that theyd had a woman come in with a single gunshot to the head. So now we had a fullblown homicide. You know its going to be a long night. Yes. As the Detectives Team scoured the strip mall dumpsters for maybe a tossed weapon, clothing, something, he turned over the few facts he had so far. A woman with children gunned down execution style in the back of a little comic bookstore, Police Interviewed merchants and customers at the mall, had anyone seen anything out of the ordinary . It turned out tom and lenora ward did, the couple who had given barb first aid had picked up on something when they arrived that evening. A speeding car in front of the comic book shop. And we both thought it to ourselves and then said it to each other, boy, that cars going too fast. Later theyd wonder if that was the getaway car. But another observation tugged at them, who was the guy lurking outside the comic bookshop . He had on kind of a dark outfit for that time of the year, a greek fishermans cap is how i would describe it. Another man visiting the strip mall would say he saw a different suspicious character. Someone wearing what appeared to be a fake beard, possibly a bearded lady. The shop was small, deeper than it was wide. Aisles of bins filled with comic books out front by the register and a door to the back storage room. Barbara george had been found just inside the back room. On the far wall was a locked door that led to the alley in the rear. Now were inside the comics corner. Crime scene techs began videotaping the crime scene. The cash register. There was 750 still in the cash register, untouched. In a glass case just behind the till, a wall of collectible vintage comics, the good stuff. They hadnt been ransacked. In the storage area some bins had been toppled over, but the emts might have done that as they rushed in to assist barb george as she lay on the floor. More than 400 would be found in her pocket. The good jewelry she was wearing wasnt taken. Later the medical examiner would determine the shop owner had been shot from above, the bullet entering almost the very top of the skull, indicating shed been crouching. Another bullet had been fired first, police believed. It missed and went through a swimsuit calendar on the wall and into the empty shop on the other side of the sheet rock. If it was a robbery at the comic book store, it was an unusual one. Just after 8 00, detective steckman was told that the husband of the victim had just arrived. He identified himself and he said whats going on . We said well, theres been an incident here and were sorry to tell you, but your wife has been injured. Injured, not dead. We never told him what happened to her. He doesnt know what has happened to his wife. To our knowledge he had no idea what was going on. You have to go over to the hospital because your wife is seriously injured. At the hospital, Michael George was informed that his wife had died of a gunshot wound to the head. A few minutes later, mary and his brotherinlaw joe came rushing in. The girlfriend was undone by the awful news. Im blown away. Im shocked. I wasnt even related to her and i was devastated and i was crying and i was upset. But there was someone who didnt seem as upset as mary was, the new widower, Michael George. Why was she so suspicious of the comic book man . Coming up there wasnt one tear in his eyes. There was no swelling going on in his eyes. He just he had he had nothing going on. It was all an act. An untroubled husband with a very troubled marriage. They didnt see us pull up. They were really close, they were giggling together and their arms were crossed topher each other. You wouldnt think he had any care in the world the way he was carrying on with her. We started receiving phone calls, we might want to look at his relationship with his employee named renee. A little cozy, check it out. Yes. When dateline continues. Els brad apartmentsdotcom. 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Six hours after her murder Michael George had returned from the hospital to show the chief detective sergeant steckman around what was now a crime scene. The back room where barb was shot was also where michael said a robbery must have happened. He noticed two important white boxes were gone. As soon as he walked into the back room he looked and said there were two cardboard boxes full of very expensive comic books missing. So hes saying i had some expensive stuff two boxes of comic books. And theyre gone. And theyre gone. Michael george made a list of stolen comics and estimated their value at 12,600. Hed later file Insurance Claims for missing spiderman, Green Lantern and ironman. To name just a few. Hes talking about his robbery. At the comic book shop Michael George told the detective he had no idea what happened to his wife. He said hed last seen her a little after 4 00 when shed relieved her behind the counter. He said he took their two kids over to his mom and is remained there, napping on her couch until a little before 8 00, when he returned to the comic book store. Detective stekman asked Michael George the questions that a cop would when the wife has just been murdered. Lets get all this straight. Were there any girlfriends . No. Why were you having any affairs . No. Any problems with your marriage . No. Everything was fine. At the funeral days later mary sham06789, the girlfriend of barbs brother, couldnt make out what he was feeling because his eyes were concealed behind dark, dark sunglasses. Like something that a xwliend person would wear. Something you see Stevie Wonder wear. And mary sensed that michael was acting strange, even goofy, only increased after a visit to the trailer park home where Michael George and barbara had lived. She and joe, barbs brother, had gone over to give michael some support during tough days. He comes in and her vacuum is sitting there and he grabs the vacuum and embraces the vacuum like he showed more emotion with this vacuum than he did the whole time. Whats he saying to the vacuum . Hes just saying, oh, this was barbs vacuum and oh, shes never going to use this vacuum again. And then he would go to like a blender and hed be like shes never going to be in this kitchen again. Are you thinking whats up with this guy . Im looking at him like hes a screwball. Here you are grieving over the vacuum and these appliances, there was no tears in his eyes no swelling in his eyes. He had nothing going on. It was all an act. The police, meanwhile, were chasing down bank records, insurance policies, looking for leads on the speeding car, the man in the greek fishermans cap, the socalled bearded lady and whether this could have been a botched robbery after all. They were also getting a crash course on the value of vintage comics. Unhappily for them, the case detectives hadnt found the gun and hoped for forensics like a bloody print just werent there, but the investigators were getting calls on the q. T. About Michael George maybe having a girlfriend. When did you learn about a shop assistant named renee . That was two days later. We started receiving phone calls from people advising us that we might want to look at his relationship with his employee named renee. A little cozy. Check it out. Yes. It was barb george who befriended renee the their Childrens School and brought her to work at the comic book store. Renee had five children and needed the money. Her floundering marriage had ended in divorce just three weeks before barbs murder. Not long after they buried barbara, mary shamo remembers dropping in unexpectedly at the comic book shop along with her boyfriend joe and the pair got a shockeroo. They saw michael and renee, the shop assistant, canoodling. They didnt see us pull up. They were really close and giggling with each other and their arms were crossed over to each other. And when you lose someone in your life and you look around at the world like whats going on . Why does the world keep moving when i just lost someone so important and here this man is and hes as happy as a clam. You wouldnt think that he had any care in the world the way he was carrying on with her. Michael and renee would set up a new home together with the help of a 130,000 Life Insurance payout on barb that hed received as beneficiary. Is he becoming what cops call a person of interest . Yes. At that point he was. At that point he had to be. He talked to the police casually at the store that night and then in a more formal interview at the Police Station six days later. But there would be no followups. According to detective steckman, Michael George said he would hire an attorney. Lawyer up. Hed stop talking. Exactly. So this is a big unsolved case . Yes. Yes. How much frustration is building with the family . What can you do . You cant take you can take the law into your own hands, but whats going to happen with that . Did you ever talk about it . I felt it. There was times i felt, you know, that i should do something, but you know, im a catholic. I couldnt live with it. In the comics, superheroes are ageless. But the comic book shop in the clinton strip mall wasnt. It closed its doors in 1992. Michael george, the shop owner, and his new wife renee had moved from town. Theyd settled some 375 miles southeast of detroit in windberg, pa, population 4,000. An old coal mining town. On the main drag there the georges had opened their new shop, comics world. With his two kids and renees five being raised together in their spacious new home, they found friends among the other parents involved in their kids sports teams. Michael coached pastor brad westovers daughter in basketball. He never missed a game. Tremendous family man. Respected business person in the community. Jeff lightly had the Electrical Supply shop three blocks down from comics world. His life was for the kids. And id have to say his life was for renee. He treated her like gold. The georges endeared themselves to a town where families went back generations by raising money for the makeawish charity and giving comics to the public library. Besides his good works his friends said he was just plain fun. The guy always had a smile on his face and also always joking and everybody enjoyed being around him. Michael george had all but severed ties with his murdered wifes family. Uncles and an aunt back in Clinton Township, michigan rarely saw barbaras two girls. Come the year 2000, was Michael George even aware that the longtime chief of police in his former town had passed away . Chief robert smith had died without solving the nagging case of the comic book murder. Everyone in this town was aware of that crime, and probably myself more so because my dad was the chief of police at that time. Chief smiths son, eric smith. I had driven by that store a thousand times with my old man and just about every time we drove by there there was there was something he said. It was still gnawing at him. There was no question about it. Four years after his fathers death eric smith was elected chief prosecutor in Macomb County, michigan. He became responsible for all of the criminal cases in Clinton Township and beyond. I cant tell you how many people came up to me and said that a Family Member of theirs had been murdered or had been killed and nothing had been done and you could see the desperation on their face and they really thought that the system had passed them by. And i thought if im going to be the chief Law Enforcement officer of this county i cant let people out there think that we dont care. So we started a cold case unit very soon after i came in. One of prosecutor smiths first acts in office was to send out a letter to all of the Police Departments in his county asking Police Chiefs and detectives to look at their old unsolveds with fresh eyes. I did it with Michael George in mind. There was no question in my mind that while at the time i was hoping that wed get a lot of cases i was hoping that Clinton Township would pick this case up. And maybe resolve one for the old man . Thats it. That was the case that was unsolved for my old man, for my dad. Just as hed hoped, the Clinton Township p. D. Reopened the dusty comic book murder case and what a surprise the detectives found there. Someone did have a vital piece of information about the night of the murder. But his story had slipped through the cracks. How could police have missed it all those years . Coming up a phone call to the comic book shop that seemed to come at a very bad time. He sounded like he was in a busy, in a hurry to get off the phone. Did he say im busy, there are people in the shop, ive got to go . No, no. Just short it just kept coming back to mike. It was like a funnel effect. We started off looking at a lot of things and a lot of people and it just narrowed down just like a funnel. When dateline continues. If you have medicare, listen up. The medicare enrollment deadline is only weeks away. With so many changes, do you know if your plan is still the right fit . Having the wrong plan may cost you thousands of dollars out of pocket. And thats why i love healthmarkets, your Insurance Marketplace. With healthmarkets fitscore, they compare thousands of plans from National Insurance companies to find the right medicare plan that fits you. Call or visit healthmarkets to find your fitscore today. In minutes, you can find out if your current plan is the right fit and once youve let the fitscore do the work, sit back and enjoy not having to shop for insurance again. 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The comic book murder files came out of the archives, and the lead detective blowing off the dust was lieutenant craig keith. Hed been on the Clinton Township force long enough to remember the killing at the strip mall, and he took it personally that someone out there had gotten away with murder. The lieutenant had identified with the victim. I was approximately the same age and had children the same age and maybe that was something that just stuck with me. This is a tough one to pick off the stack. Yeah. I knew that going in, but i always operate under the theory you dont shoot you dont score. And i owed it to myself because it was something i had told myself, but then i owed it to barb, too. The detective needed help, good oldfashioned shoeleather cops to make the calls and knock on doors. So he recruited veteran detectives jimmy hall and lenny rico. The three of them went into the old boxes, reading and rereading yellowing Police Reports. But theres a reason crimes go into the cold case file and stay unsolved. A lack of evidence. The three wondered if they had one of those here. Is this even doable . And final areally when we came to the conclusion that its doable, we need to notify the family. Thats when we finally contacted them. The cold case detectives were painfully aware of giving barb georges family false hopes after 17 years. But in early 2007 the detectives laid out what theyd found, warts and all, for barbaras brother joe and other Family Members. We were honest with them, we dont know how successful were going to be here. Still, after that meeting with the detectives, barbs family and friends allowed themselves to be optimistic. I told my sister when we walked out of that Police Station, i said something will come out of this. Joe and mary, his girlfriend back then, had broken up after barbaras murder, but they remained close over the years. My dad was in the hospital at the time, he was dying of cancer, and i told my dad what was going on, and my dad was just and again, he could barely even talk. And he lit right up. And he said, good. Good. Gods going to get him. The detectives started their investigation as though it were july 13th, 1990, and the 911 call had just come in. All three of them knew this wasnt going to be an episode of csi, Forensic Science saving the day. No weapon, no blood smears, no hair fibers, anything like that. In terms of what people are used to seeing nowadays with dna and things like that, we didnt have it. We just had to do detective work. Which means . Get out there and interview people. They say without preconceived theories they chased down the old leads again, the speeding car, the man in the old greek fishermans cap, the bearded lady, and reexamined the old motive. Was it possible that barbara had been shot to death over a pricey, collectible comic book . Thank you, sir. The cold case detectives interviewed over a hundred people. And of all those fresh 2007 interviews the one they did with this man turned out to be the game changer. His name, mike renan, a girls softball coach who was confined to a wheelchair after a Swimming Pool accident in 2003. Back in 1990 renan was a College Senior and spiderman fanatic. On july 13th, the night of the murder detectives learned, renaud had placed a call to the comic books store. He thought had been about 5 30 or so, about 30 minutes before the murder. The avid collector wanted to know why one of his comic books had zoomed in value. A voice he knew very well answered the phone. It was Michael George, the shop owner. It sounded like he was busy, he was in a hurry to get off the phone. Did he say im busy, there are people in the shop, i have to go . No, just short. Just something you could hear in his voice. He would b. S. A little bit and there was no time for b. S. The cold case cop had struck gold. Mike renauds story was the missing puzzle piece the detectives had been looking for for years. If renauds account is true, it does nothing less than demolish Michael Georges alibi that he was napping at his mothers house when barb was murdered around 6 00. Renauds phone call story meant that george was lying, and renaud was certain that he talked to the comic store owner at his shop and that that brief conversation must have taken place just a few minutes before barb was killed. The embarrassing thing about this nugget of a clue was that mike renaud had told the very same story to the police back in 1990, the day after the murder. What looked like a case breaker in 2007 had simply slipped through the cracks back then. Theyd had it in the case file all along. In clear handwriting, there it was. A record of renauds july 14th phone call to the police. Mr. Renaud stated he called comic world around 5 30 and talked with the owner, Michael George. Well, thats the one piece that was missing. Even so, it was a piece that still had flaws as evidence. There were no existing phone logs to corroborate renauds story or to pin down the exact time he said he placed the call. To this day, former detective Donald Steckman doesnt know how that note from renaud went astray. But he says he was unaware of the comic book collectors story of talking to the husband of the owner of the shop minutes before the murder. How did you not see it . Well, i never saw it. If we had seen it we would not be sitting here today. You would have been for an arrest and indictment and gone to trial in 1991. Yes. No doubt about it. And now the investigative leads pointed just one way, toward the husband. It just kept coming back to mike and it was like a funnel effect. We started off looking at a lot of things and a lot of people and it just narrowed down just like a funnel. It was time for the cold case detectives to take a road trip to pennsylvania. A trip across miles in time. They were going to make a surprise visit to Michael George at comics world. Was the onetime husband finally collectible . Coming up p this was a vendetta and that, what, barbara took the bullet that was meant for him . Exactly. And that was something entirely different from what he told police back in 1990. After 17 years a conversation a suspected killer never expected. If youre going to show up tomorrow let me know. Ill get a lawyer. Because this is [ bleep ]. When dateline continues. When our daughter and her kids moved in with us. Our bargain detergent couldnt keep up. Turns out its mostly water. So, we switched back to tide. One wash, stains are gone. Daughter slurping dont pay for water. Pay for clean. Its got to be tide. I had hiv, it was difficult for. Me to accept. I decided. Hiv doesnt define me. My names dimitri. And im on biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment. Used for hiv in certain adults. Its not a cure, but with one small pill. 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It was 2007, 17 years after the murder, and like commandos synchronizing their watches the detectives had decided to execute simultaneous surprise interviews on Michael Georges turf. We had teams of detectives go to all three locations at exactly the same time. Michael at the store, his wife renee at the house, and michaels mother at her home back in hazel park, michigan. Unannounced. Unannounced. When they found comics world the two detectives waited for some customers to leave, checked their watches, then sauntered in. We were probably about a minute behind the other detectives. So when we walked in, mike george was on the phone. And we assume he was talking to renee, his wife. And he says no, theres nobody here. And he had his back to us as we walked to the door. He turned around and goes theyre here and got off the phone. He just looked pretty sick at that point. Detective hall switched on the tape recorder hed concealed in his jacket. Introduced ourselves. Mike was pretty much unemotional and he said hey, come on in. Have a seat. Started talking to him. This is some of that conversation. We have a few questions for you. Want to talk to you about it. Okay. What did the police tell you . They have leads. They never told me what the leads were. He didnt say much at the beginning. Did he say this is great news . Ive wondered for 17 years whats happened, ive been waiting for you guys to come and tell me youve solved it. Does not give the typical response like youve found somebody or thats good or what do you have . Nothing. He just started staring. 17 years on, Michael George claimed a flickering memory for events. I dont remember anything. I remember the funeral. Is he getting sweaty, twitchy, anything . He was very pale. Very nervous. Didnt make eye contact. Most of the interview his head was looking down towards the table. In 1990 his latenight conversation with the lead detective at the store after the murder, Michael George had speculated that barb was killed in a botched robbery, someone after valuable vintage comic books. What was taken . Very old books. Okay. What kind of books were they . There was golden age books. A box was gone. He couldnt remember exactly how many comics were taken or the amount. Although he was sketchy on those details he had no trouble coming up on an entirely new answer when the cops asked him to speculate on why barbara of all people had been murdered. Listen as michaels theory switches from robbery to revenge. I think barb was at the wrong place at the wrong time. I think somebody wanted to get back at me. I dont know who it was. But i should have been there. This was a vendetta and that, what . Barbara took the bullet that was meant for him . Exactly. And that was something entirely different from what he told the police back in 1990. Is that as interesting as anything else you heard . Absolutely. Very interesting. Hed come up with a new motive. Back in michigan, the son of t the onetime police chief, was deeply curious about how the swoopdown interview was going. Were you surprised to hear that he talked to them and that he hadnt lawyered up or said im getting on the phone to my attorney right now . Very surprised. I really think he was so shocked by the fact that were still looking at him. So shocked that he didnt know what to do. Thats why we didnt call him. Thats why we didnt give him a headsup. As the interview continued, Michael George as he hadnt in 1990, now owned up to his philandering. Describe for me your marriage at the time of her death. It was rocky. Because we had all the pressures. Id just quit my job, opened up that store. You know, we would have our fights. We would have our arguments. And people have fights and arguments like that. What was the cause of most of them . Extramarital affair . Yeah. Yeah. On her side or your side . My side. Late in the 90minute interview the conversation circled back to that earlier theme, robbery, the supposed theft of valuable comics. The detectives asked if anyone knew that he kept the good stuff in the back storage room. Thats when things got testy. And listen as georges previously passive tone becomes more direct and confrontational. Im just trying to find out how that individual, the suspect, would have known they were there. Thats all. Unless it was an inside job. Unless they werent taken, it was insurance fraud. So youre saying im lying . No, no. Im no. Im just saying thats a possibility. You have to look at all options. So now youre saying that i lied about the books being gone . So now what youre saying is i better get a lawyer. We didnt say that. Yeah, you did. You just said one of the possibilities. That is a possibility. Okay. If youre going to show up tomorrow, let me know, ill get a lawyer, because this is [ bleep ] now. The next day, in fact, he would need a lawyer. A criminal defense lawyer. The michigan detectives and the Pennsylvania State Police Arrested him at his workplace, the comic book store. As he was led away after a later court appearance, he loudly proclaimed that police had nabbed the wrong man. Theres no way. I was with my daughters and my mom. No. They know i didnt do this. The cold case had turned red hot. Michael george was returning to michigan and would stand trial for the firstdegree murder of his wife. A case prosecutors knew would be hard to prove in the age of csi and showme forensic evidence, thats because there was none. So it would come down to a single witness and his recollection of a solitary phone call he said he made on a friday the 13th, 1990. Coming up a twist in court few would have predicted. Did you expect it was possible he was going to come out and say this case is dismissed, jurors are released, we dont have a case . Initially, never crossed my mind. 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She said her son was sleeping on her couch at the time of the murder. Or would the jury accept the word of the comic book collector mike renaud . He said the defendant was in the store around that time answering his phone call. Who answered the phone . Michael george. How long did you talk to the defendant at that time . Less than five minutes. What time did you call the defendant . Anywhere between 5 15 and 5 45. Do you remember how he seemed to you . He seemed like he was in a hurry. How important is he to your case . Without Michael Renaud we cannot win this case because without Michael Renaud we cannot place the defendant physically in that store close to the time of barbaras shooting. And then came a routine moment that weve all seen in courtroom dramas on tv. The prosecutor in this case, steve kaplan, rose and told the judge. Your honor, the people rest. And the defense response in this michigan courtroom just as predictably was to try to get the case thrown out. Not enough evidence. The state hadnt met its burden, argued defense attorney Carl Marlinga, and asking the judge for whats called a directed verdict. When you just dont know, you have to you have to pull the plug. You have to say thats it. And then it got really strange. And you say, your honor, the state has not proved its case. We ask that you dismiss it right now and that it not go to the jury. It happens all of the time. Right. And almost always youre rebuffed. Thats right. And almost always youre rebuffed within about 10 to 15 seconds. Intently for 20 minutes as Michael Georges defense lawyere argued that there was no way the prosecution had proved beyond ar reasonable doubt that the defendant was in the comic defendant was in the comic book shop with a gun in his hind. The trial judge is obligated to make a call to say whether or not there was sufficient evidence to justify this. H prosecutor kaplan knew that by law the judge has to regard a all evidence in a light most al favorable to the prosecution. He took just 30 seconds and queried with a brief citation of case law arguing why the case should go to the jury. It the evidence presented to this court begs the question of fact to the jury whether Michael George is the murderer and the motion should be denied. Ge and then the judge retired to his chambers to ponder this motion to dismiss and ponder he did, staying out for hours. Eric smith, the countys chief prosecutor. What was going on . Well, i i can tell you what was going on in the prosecutions end. We were fit to be tied. Weve all tried hundreds of b cases, and these motions for directed verdicts are dismissedt almost immediately. Ed did you expect it was possible that he would come oute and say this case is dismissed, jurors, youre dismissed. We dont have a case here. Well, initially, it never crossed my mind. After a couple of hours it nevee crossed my mind. After five hours you start to worry. Fi Carl Marlinga was feeling better by the hour. I remember walking outside with my client and saying this is obviously good news. I cannot lie to you. Judges dont take this long to decide these motions. After hours of watching the clock go round, the defendant, out on 1 million bond praying d with his circle of friends and family in the hallway, the judg at last returned to the bench. The court has been reviewing this matter for approximately five hours, i think an extraordinary length of time to review any motion for directed verdict. He started, was there a case to be made for the defenses position. H albeit, it could be argued that this evidence is marginal. Then he seemed to point out the merits of the prosecution. This is in many ways the classic murder case. If the evidence is believed by the jury then the jury could reach a finding of guilt. On the one hand, and the other. Where was the judge going . R. So the court, at this point, cannot substitute its judgment for that of the jury. He decided for the prosecution. There was enough evidence to go forward. The directed verdict was denied. The defense had lost a fivehour long highstakes game and apparently by the closest of margins. Thats probably the toughest moment i ever had as a lawyer. You thought you might have had it. I thought i delivered this guy from this horrible, horrible experience of not only having lost his wife, but having falsely blamed for it for all in these years, i thought the r ordeal was almost over. The jury filed back in for the defense case unaware how close theyd come to being thanked and sent home without hearing more evidence. If the judge had indicated he had doubts about the case, what had doubts about the case, what would the jury think once the defense played its trump card, Michael Georges alibi witness . H the verdict. Count number one, firstdegree murder. Said he was tired. When you got back, did you when you got back, did you observe michael at all . Yeah. Where was he . Mi h on the couch sleeping. Now it was up to the jurors to decide if they believe his mother or the witness that said Michael George answered his phone call. Tn decision day. March 17th, 2008. Michael george prayed quietly ti himself. His freedom, his family, the life hed enjoyed in pennsylvania were at risk forever. A murder conviction meant mandatory life, no possibility of parole. All rise for the jury, please. The jury of eight women and r four men filed in nervously as one juror explained. My hands were sweating, and i took a look at Michael George, o and i saw his family, and i was numb and scared at the same time. My brother turns to me and e says is your heart beating fast . Yeah, it is. This is it. The foreman read the verdict. Count number one, firstdegree murder. We find the defendant guilty. Ge. Its not just easy. Its givingyourdog yourfitnesstracker easy. 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Across the room the convicted mans younger daughter, one of barbs two children, collapsed into her stepmother, renee. Michael george would go on weeping for a full two minutes. I didnt do this but lieutenant craig keith, the cold case detective who rediscovered the crucial evidence was unmoved by georges tears. Mike showed no emotion back in 1990 and now he cries and my impression of that is mike is crying for himself. It was devastating. It was just devastating. Barely able to stand, george was helped to the podium to face the judge. The same judge who had apparently been a heartbeat away from dismissing the case altogether. The jury has found you guilty of all charges. At this time im remanding you to the custody of the Macomb County sheriffs department. The comic book man was now a convict. Okay. Put your hands behind your back. George i didnt do this. His hands were cuffed and deputies led him away. I had no doubt that the verdict that we came to was the correct one. The juror his returned to their deliberation room. They said they could hear george sobbing, but that didnt shake their confidence in their verdict. They said it had come down to the testimony of the man who said he called about a spiderman comic. I think i hear you all saying he was tripped up by answering that phone call from Michael Renaud. Yes. He should not have been there when mike renaud called. The cold case unit started by Prosecutor Eric Smith with this case in mind had won a conviction. I really thought he was finally going to face the just punishment he deserves. And smith had notched one up for his dad, the late police chief or so he believed. My next thought went right to my old man. I wish he was here to share this with, but i know hes smiling. The losing defense lawyer voiced the kinds of comments youd expect to hear. I think the jury got it wrong. I believe we have a strong shot with this judge to get either not right reversal or a new trial. But that wasnt brave bluster. In this case, Michael Georges defense attorney was being prophetic. Six months later the defense tried again. A motion for a new trial before the same judge. One of the grounds for the appeal was prosecutorial misconduct. This is not a robbery. Not a robbery. Its a murder. What happened was in his Closing Argument the prosecutor had a display for the jury. His timetable is and out of the judges eye shot began assembling pieces of a photo like a jigsaw puzzle. The punchline when you put the picture together, jurors, theres your killer. Maybe clever or maybe cornball, but either way the prosecutor may have overstepped his bounds. The image of the finished puzzle was a mug shot of Michael George that was never introduced into evidence and according to defense lawyers showed him in a bad light. Prejudicial error the defense argued, strike one. Strike two was newly discovered evidence in the Police Case Files possibly favorable to the defense. Judge biernat had had enough. A judge ruled Michael George should get a new trial in the 1990 comic bookstore murder case. Biernat threw out the murder verdict and is now giving Michael George another chance to win his freedom. It was just elation. It was, like, okay. The greatest injustice that i had ever been associated with as a lawyer has just been corrected. We are going get a new trial. Carl marlinga and joe always believed in their clients innocence and now they won another chance to prove it. Michael was devastated by the verdict. I didnt do this. Suddenly hes got new life. Suddenly he has faith again in the system. I think he had two things working. He had new evidence and unfairness in the Closing Argument on top of this real heartfelt feeling by judge biernat that an innocent man had been convicted. The county Prosecutor Eric Smith wasnt buying any of it. The judge seemed to have directed that there be a new trial because of prosecutorial misconduct. He hung his hat on a lot of things and that was one of them. Since the case began it appeared he was not comfortable with this case and what he did was set aside a murder conviction which was unheard of. Smith was beside himself even though the controversial decision was backed by michigans highest courts. You wait 18 years for justice, and you finally get justice only to have it the carpet pulled out from under you. After the 2008 guilty verdict, barbs brother had gone to her grave site to share the good news. We finally got him, you know . He didnt get away with it, and, you know, you can rest now. But now there was the judges blockbuster decision. It tore a hole in our hearts. It was something that here we thought it was over. Barbs family would have to go through the painful ordeal all over again and with even more uncertainties this time around. So the jury had found Michael George guilty. The judge clearly had serious doubts. A new jury could go either way. 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He wanted a new life. In his opening argument, prosecutor steve fox that in 1990 Michael George was having a torrid affair with renee, now his second wife. He wanted to get rid of his overweight wife and move on to someone better. Before the murder the husband wasnt bothering to hide his disdain for his wife barbara according to this prosecution witness. She testified she and her son went to comic world the saturday before the murder. Theresa, they were in the store when theresa walked in. I had remarked how beautiful his girls were. What did he say . If it wasnt for his daughters that he would not be with his wife and that he found her unattractive and heavy and if it was up to him he would take the girls and move to florida. What was your reaction to that response . I couldnt believe he had said Something Like that to me while she was right there in the store. And that same customer was shocked again days later when michael made what she thought was a pass at her during his own wifes viewing at the funeral home. He gave me a very inappropriate hug. It would have been a hug that i would only have given my husband. Its a very intimate hug. A little creepy, but the following saturday as was their custom teresa and her son stopped by comics world. Michael slipped her a note. Would you read that note for the jury. You look very, very, very pretty today. Thanks for coming in. Sincerely, michael. Publicly scornful of his wife, hitting on other women and now a longtime friend of barbaras was testifying that her friends and family were all well aware with of capital t, trouble, in the marriage. Kathy got a call weeks before the murder. She was crying, very upset. Mike wanted a divorce. And did she convey to you whether she would agree to that . Oh, she did not want a divorce. Prosecutor fox then asked the witness about seeing the defendant at barbs funeral. I overheard mike saying to his mother yelling out, mom, did you call the Insurance Company . It just didnt sound good because of the phone conversation i had with barb and then now her death. Michael george, a onetime insurance salesman himself received 130,000 taxfree from his wifes Life Insurance policies, not bad money in 1990. A witness who worked with michael in the Insurance Business was asked about the money. What does the document say . This is a claim statement for payment of the proceeds. Who signed the claim . Michael george, looks like. On what day . 7 18 of 90. July 18, 1990. Yes, sir. Are you aware that Barbara George was buried on july 16, 1990. Womanizer, scoundrel. The prosecution dissected his character and referred to him as the only possible killer. Our concentration was to show that he was the only guy, that he was the one who had to have done it because no one else on earth would have. Speak loudly. Your first name is kim . Prosecutors called this witness who worked at a nail salon in the same strip mall as comics world. I would say i witnessed 30 to 35 arguments. She testified shield hear many arguments between michael and barbara that summer, but the one she heard that day, friday the 13th sound uglier. It was much louder. He was much angrier and seemed much more violent. Than the ones in the past . Yes. Less than four hours later, Barbara George would be discovered by customers on the floor in the back of comics world. Yet in this public place of a strip mall, customers coming and going, cars, no witness remembered hearing gunshots, though two had been fired and no one remembered seeing anyone leave the store and no witness saw Michael George at the store from the time he left after 4 00 until he drove up at 8 00 for what was to be his Birthday Party. By then police were all over the scene. He told us who he was, identified himself and wanted to know what happened in the store. Lead detective Donald Steckman, then of Clinton Township p. D. Testified that michael said his wife was working at comics world. I advised him there had been an incident at the store and his wife had been injured. Did he ask you about her condition . No. Did he ask you about how it happened . No. Steckman told the husband that then lieutenant donald brook would be driving him to the hospital where he could find out about his wife. The former lieutenant testified that michael started chatting without prompting. He made a statement that i thought was noteworthy. What was that statement . Something must have fell or dropped on her in the back room. Why is that statement interesting to you . Because i never told him that mrs. George was in the back room of the store. Those are things he should have known. He knows evidence that only the shooter would know not realizing how unique that information is. Later that night according to police, Michael George told investigators the two white boxes of expensive comics were missing and that poor barbara must have stumbled into a robbery gone bad. A theory police and prosecutors subsequently rejected. This is why it was not a robbery. The diamond ring was on her hand and we know it was worth at least 2500. There was 700 in the register. Expensive comics behind the glass were untouched. The safe, untouched. The safe was in the back storage room where michael claimed the missing boxes of comics had been. Whats unique about that these two white boxes were unmarked and they didnt say expensive comic books here. Missing comics were never found, but prosecutors believe they were never stolen, either, even though michael recovered a 12,600 Insurance Claim for them. There were a hundred unmarked white boxes in that room, the only way to know which ones to grab would be if it was an inside job. The only inside job according to the prosecutors was the murder itself. The reason its an inside job is because of the accessability to that door. That door was central to the prosecutors theory of the murder. Michael george, they said, sneaked in the back door and concealed himself until his wife was alone in the store. When she came into the back room their belief was he fired two shots. The first one hitting a swimsuit calendar in the wall, the Second Striking barb in the top of her head as she was ducking away. The murder took place and where he went from there our theory is out of the back door and gone. Slipping into the alley, sight unseen, but not before doing only what he could do. He left through the back door. Locking that lock. Double locked. Indeed, the door was locked from the outside when police arrived. Something prosecutors claimed only Michael George could do. Youd have to have both keys . No one but the defendant had keys to the back door, prosecutors maintained, and they added any supposed robber would have fled through the busy front door and would have been spotted. There were too many witnesses that started walking in a minute to two minutes of that gunshot. No one saw anyone leaving with boxes of comic books. No one saw Anyone Running out the front door. What about people spotted by witnesses minutes before and after the murder . The guy in the greeks fishermans cap, the suspicious character who seemed to be wearing a fake beard. The socalled bearded lady. Police made a sketch of the bearded lady, but prosecutors say none of the wouldbe suspects ever amounted to anything except in the case of the bearded lady. Prosecutors theorize that this person may have been Michael Georges accomplice. Now the prosecutors would offer up their star witness, the sole person who with could say the husband was indeed in the store as the minutes were counting down to murder. Comic collector mike renaud. But this time the defense was ready with new evidence to challenge not only renauds credibility, but also his memory. In 1990 you used marijuana and you drank alcohol on the weekends, did you not . These are real people, not actors, whove got their eczema under control. With less eczema, you can show more skin. So roll up those sleeves. And help heal your skin from within with dupixent. Dupixent is the first treatment of its kind that continuously treats moderatetosevere eczema, or atopic dermatitis, even between flare ups. 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He has blue hair. Okay. Blue. Progressive cant protect you from becoming your parents, but we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us. Keep it coming. You dont know him. Once again, Michael Georges guilt or innocence would likely come down to the man who said he made an innocent phone call about a spiderman comic book. We would call mike renaud. In the first trial, the jurors bought his account of speaking to the shop owner over the phone apparently minutes before the murder. The judge, however, had seemed skeptical. But now 12 new people would be deciding the case. So prosecution and defense lawyers had to start up fresh with the allimportant star witness. The stakes couldnt be higher. Michael renaud, without him would you have a case . No. Hes the only one that puts the defendant at the scene. Hes the only one that alone can destroy the defendants alibi. Without him we dont even issue a warrant. They knew their clients freedom depended on them challenging renauds story and reinforcing the defendants alibi. Its a winwin for the prosecutions side. What we hoped to direct the jury to focus on was specifically that alibi. The defendants 1990 story was that hed left his Clinton Township shop some time after 4 00 p. M. To go to his mothers house. She lived in hazel park about a half hour away. It was Michael Georges alibi that he was at his mothers house from 4 30 to 7 30. A little after he arrived, his mother said he took her grandchildren to the park and he was sleeping on the couch some they got back some time after 6 00. Barb was murdered a little after 6 00. If Michael Georges account is true, he was at his mothers at that time and therefore could not be the killer. But according to prosecutors Michael George wasnt napping on the couch at all. They contended hed returned to comics world and sneaked into the storage room with a gun when barb left to order pizza for his Birthday Party and about what time was that . Between 5 00 and 5 30. Thats the timeframe when this woman, a friend of barbs came to the store. It was locked and she had to wait for barb to return from the pizza place. If she was not in the store at 5 30, she couldnt have answered the phone. If someone answered the phone it would have to be someone other than her . Correct. Prosecutors questioned the one witness who could identify who answered the phone. Michael renaud. Yes, sir. Mike renaud. In 1990 a decade before his disabling accident renaud was married and had a young daughter and was holding down two jobs. Were you also attending school . Yes. I was going to wayne state. How well did you do in wayne state . I graduated cum laude. The prosecution wanted to regard renaud as knowledgeable and a comic book collector. Before july 13, 1990 how frequently would you go to the store . At least once a week. The day of the murder he stopped by comics world before work, but renauds critical story with the jury had to do with the phone call he made later in the day to the shop. He had a collectors question about a spiderman comic he owned. He called because he was excited that some book had jumped from 8 to 40. Did you contact anyone to discuss the reasons for it going up in value . Yeah, i called mike. He knew the voice. He knew the time that he would be there and thats the whole case. Tell me about the demeanor of Michael George, and the answers were very short and he seemed to be in a hurry to get off the phone. You might wonder as many people did if Michael George was lying in wait to murder his wife in just moments, why would he be so dumb as to pick up a ringing phone in the store . He picks it up for one of two reasons, either as a businessman, its a call and he doesnt want to lose business or number two, its his accomplice from the outside letting him know whats going on. Couldnt investigators simply pull the phone logs and verify renauds story by seeing what time the records showed the call coming in. Not 22 years ago. The phone company didnt keep those kinds of logs on local calls, but remember, renauds story had fallen through the investigative cracks altogether until a cold case cop craig keith came upon it in 2007 and in that rediscovered file was a statement saying that a guy named renaud had called the Police Department the day after the murder. He wanted the detectives to know that hed spoken with Michael George in the comic shop at 6 00 p. M. On the fateful day. After you hung up with the department, did you think about it further . Yes. Why . I did not want to get mike in trouble. If i was wrong on my time. And according to those newly discovered police records, renaud had called the police back almost immediately to amend the time hed spoken to Michael George. What did you advise police this time when you called back . It was closer to 5 30 instead of 6 00. There were multiple calls to police. We saw that as a strength rather than a weakness. Hes trying to help Michael George and hes trying to tell the police dont get him in trouble because of me. Its establishing that hes not in this because he has some ill will against the defendant or hes making it up for 15 minutes of fame. Thats not how the defense team saw renaud. They thought he was basking in the limelight of the big murder trial. We think hes just exaggerating his own importance in his mind. He saw a way to become important in a homicide investigation. When the defense had its crack at renaud on crossexamination, it wanted the jury to question his motives, memory and credibility. First of all, this guy mike renaud makes himself sound like hes a good buddy of Michael George. He talks to him all the time. Michael george doesnt remember him at all. Renauds multiple calls to the police changing his times indicated that this witness didnt have a good handle on his recollections and was therefore, unreliable. He calls back several times being uncertain of the time when he was making the call. If the call to Michael George happened at all and the defense disputes that it did, defense attorney marlinga believed it must have been placed before the shop owner left for his mothers house. That was more than an hour before the murder. So youre saying renaud is not just mistaken with his times, that he is hes a person of mischief. We think he wanted to to become a hero. In fact, since the last trial renaud had tried to bolster his story by adding new facts according to the defense. Renaud revealed for the first time that he went to the Clinton Township Police Department days after the murder to make a report in person. Marlingas tough crossexamination brought out that renauds memory of that Police Interview was at best, hazy. The person that you met with in the facetoface conversation. Do you know the name of that person . I do not. How about the gender . Male or female . It was a male. Old or young . I cannot say. This was person in a uniform or in a suit, sport coat or a suit . I cannot say. Do you remember seeing a badge . I cannot say. Did you ever see a Police Report that was generated as a result of that interview . No, sir. There is, in fact, no Police Report of that interview. Was it another example in the defenses theme of inept police work or a figment of renauds imagination . Either the Police Department lost a very important Police Report or the lack of police notes is a fact because the interview never happened. Isnt it true, sir, that you invented that you made up this conversation . I did not do that. But now the defense was moving on, telling the jury there may be a reason why renauds memory is so hazy. Back in those days, the lawyers asserted, he was often in a haze of pot smoke. Can you even remember the times that you were high . Objection. Argumentative. So the strategy is to go nuclear on mike renaud . I wouldnt say nuclear. We regard it just bring out the facts. And you drank alcohol on the weekends, did you not . I was in college and that would not surprise me. The homicide that were talking about occurred on friday friday july 13th, your two initial calls into the Clinton Township police occurred on saturday, july 14th of 1990. We are agreed that friday and saturday are weekend days, correct . Correct. When questioned whether he got high on the only weekend that mattered, july 13th and 14th, 1990, renaud had to admit he just didnt remember. You could have used it, or you could not have used it. You do not remember . Correct. The goal was to raise reasonable doubt about renauds recall and credibility. Marijuana can cause a time distortion so were talking to a person that does not have the best handle on time. Now that the defense believed it had shredded renauds story. It was ready to tell the jury who really murdered Barbara George. Another possible suspect in an impossibly strange disguise. He said it looked like a woman in a fake beard, a really thin guy. Womanly hips or something. Air wick our essential mist transforms fragrance infused with natural essential oils to create a mist. To invite the scents, comfort and warmth of the season into your home. Its air care, redefined. Connect to nature this holiday season. Understanding how to talk to your doctor about Treatment Options is key. Today, we are redefining how we do things. We find new ways of speaking, so youre never out of touch. 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This case will show you but at his 2011 trial the defense acknowledged right up front that during his first marriage michael would never have won an award for husband of the year. This is not a matter of suspicion, innuendo, discussed with the person for having affairs. This is a matter of evidence. So lead defense attorney Carl Marlinga reminded jurors the defendant was on trial of murder. An adulterer is a person that does evil things but that does not necessarily make him a murderer. The victims shoe could be seen. As for any hard evidence that Michael George killed his wife in cold blood, the defense maintained it just didnt exist. And you have no weapon, no witnesses. No. No forensics. Nothing. Nothing. Nada, nothing that ties him to the crime. The jury, your honor, the people rest. Just as in the first trial came that moment when the prosecution rested and the defense filed a motion saying, your honor, they havent proved their case. There is no physical evidence which links Michael George to the crime. But this time there was no fivehour retreat to chambers for the judge to think about it. Her ruling came in seconds. The court is finding that the prosecution has presented substantial evidence. The defendant teared up. There was enough evidence, the judge declared, to go forward. The conclusion, gentlemen, is that the motion is denied. So with that setback, not unexpected, the defense began its threepronged line of attack. That the original police work was inept, that there was evidence, some of it new, this someone else committed the murder and thirdly, that Michael George had a strong alibi. We decided that our strongest evidence was the alibi, and that would normally be sufficient to win, but knowing that we are dealing with michaels history and the affairs that could make him an unlikable character, joe and i realized that we really almost had to prove innocence. Michael george told police that hed left the store with his daughters a little after 4 00 p. M. That friday. They went to his mother janets house about 30 minutes away. He said he was asleep on his mothers couch when, tragically, his wife was shot. Janet george, the mother had testified in the first trial and backed up her sons asleep on the couch story. On the couch. Defense attorneys altered their strategy for trial number two. Maam, do you swear that you will read word for word everything thats in that transcript . Mom didnt testify in person this time around. The defense had a standin read Janet Georges 2008 testimony into the record, in a time that michael arrived after 5 00 p. M. That day. She said he was tired while she took her granddaughters to a nearby playground. When you got back, did you observe michael at all . Yeah. Where was he . He was on the couch sleeping. If they believed the story, Michael George couldnt possibly have been at his shop at 5 30 answering the phone. Thats when the star prosecution witness mike renaud said he talked to him. Janet george was the alibi. Why didnt you put her on the stand . Tough call. We agonized about it. The problem with janet george is that she loves her son, but shes a wild card. Her her memory is fading. The lawyers were confident about their decision not to call the mother because they had a strong witness to substantiate parts of her story. Okay. Peggy was Janet Georges nextdoor neighbor. On that friday the 13th, like most days, peggy said she got home from her job between 5 45 and 6 00. As you got close to your house did you see anybody . I actually saw janet and the two girls in the School Playground at the end of our street. When you saw them there, what, if anything, did they do . We just waved. As you pulled into your house what, if anything, did you see in front of janets house . There was a van parked in front of the house. Okay. Did you recognize whose van it was . I assumed it was one of michaels vans, yes. In the prosecutions theory of the time line, there was a missing link of logistics. How did michael get from his mothers place and back to the store in time to kill barbara . The neighbors sighting of his van outside his moms could plant the seed of reasonable doubt. She has no dog in the fight. Shes not a close, close bosom buddy or lifelong personal friend of janet and michaels. Shes a neighbor. Why wouldnt you believe her . When you take the combined testimony of janet george and peggy you have solid evidence that he was at some place else. And that neighbor was a person the defense team had found on its own. The police had never knocked on doors to corroborate michaels alibi of being at his mothers, evidence in itself, the defense argued of shoddy police work. Even the former Police Lieutenant admitted on crossexamination that aspect of the investigation could have been better. If you were the officer in charge of this case, would you have conducted a canvass of his mothers neighborhood to see if people could have placed him there at or about the time of the homicide . Yes, sir. That police work was the defense theory. For instance, the police never tested Michael George for gunshot residue the night of the murder. In the rear entry door. And also failed to dust the prosecutions critical back door for possible fingerprint. If the bad guy touched the handle to get out that way, he would have left some prints, but well never know that because the police didnt dust that. There were some plastic storage bins. And Police Photos inside the comic storeroom where barbara was found was clutter blocking the back door. How could Michael George have gotten in or out with all of that. Does that look like the room. The former detective did not know how to read that junk apparently in the way. Was that leaning up against the door . I cant tell the perspective. Its hard to tell. The defense felt it had raised enough reasonable doubt to secure a not guilty verdict and even though they in no way had to the lawyers wanted to offer the jury other possible murder suspects considered in a scenario of a robbery gone bad. The defense calls mr. Thomas clinton. The defense put on a witness who told a story about being with two friends outside a comic bookshop in flint, michigan, some 50 miles away from Michael Georges shop. A sinisterlooking guy was peddling hot comics. A man approached us in the parking lot and asked us to take a look at old comics that he wanted to sell. This new defense witness said he came forward after watching the first comic bookcase on dateline. He testified that the then teenagers didnt trust the seller and didnt buy anything from him. The vibe the gentleman was giving us told us no way. The witness said that encounter took place july 14, 1990, significantly, the day after Barbara Georges murder, but his friends, called by the prosecution contradicted him and said it actually happened weeks earlier. We were walking towards the building. The defense wasnt out of alternative suspects. One of the store customers who had initially come upon Barbara George, thomas ward recounted seeing a suspicious man lurking about when he got to comics world a little after 6 00 p. M. It appeared that this individual was looking, trying to gaze into the store quite focused, in a quite focused fashion. Warren said he remembered the man because of his distinctive hat. He had a greek fishermans cap, black cap. A cap like this. Let me show you defense exhibit 105. Yeah. And still another new witness testified that in 1990 she briefly dated a guy who wore a shortbrimmed hat like that. A guy who carried a gun and was up to no good and was up to no good with the comic book stores. I realized that he was stealing these comic books. These were all possible suspects the defense claimed, but on the top of the list of curiosities was someone who became known as the bearded lady. Witness joe gray, a friend of the georges came to the store before 6 00 to drop off supplies for michaels Birthday Party. Gray was with a friend who had gotten a gander of something strange. He said it looked like a woman in a fake beard, a really thin guy with womanly hips or something. Gray and his friend were so concerned about this weird bearded lady out front they warned Barbara George to be on the lookout. It didnt feel right. Why would somebody wearing a fake beard . Maybe someone would come to the party as a joke or maybe they were trying to rob the place. It was joe grays friend who helped police make the sketch of the socalled bearded lady. I believe the person with the fake beard and mustache is the killer. Thats your solution of this . 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But the prosecutors believe his reluctance to testify was more about him not being able to stand up to the grilling he would have faced in a real crossexamination. My wife was murdered, thats the most important day of my life and i forgot what happened that day . Its because maybe i talked myself out of wanting to remember. I wanted to hear what he had to say. These jurors said the entire panel was disappointed that it didnt hear the story from Michael Georges own mouth. I think you can see a lot about a person when they talk about themselves. Dateline talked to 10 of the 12 jurors and they told us the first vote revealed a split. Seven guilties, five not. And your not guilties, what . Needed to be persuaded . It was the robbery. The clarification. It was clarification and a couple had an idea that maybe the robbery did happen. The central question for each juror was which story to believe, the comic book collector who said he talked on the phone to Michael George in the shop just before the murder or the defendants mother, his alibi witness that he was napping on her couch across town at the same hour. To me, ultimately, it came down to Michael Renauds testimony and the phone call that he made that placed Michael George at the scene of the crime. So did the defense damage mike renauds credibility by attacking him as a marijuana smoking, beerguzzling college kid . Not to this juror. I think they were trying to personally attack him to get us to believe that he couldnt remember anything because he was a drug abuser. Several questioned the mothers recollection of events. Im not saying she would lie for him, but, i mean, would you stick up for your kids . The jurors talked it through for three days and finally took a vote. All right, gentlemen. We have a verdict. Their job was done. All rise for a jury. Michael george cried quietly. His wife renee, remained stoic. On the benches across the court, barbs brother hoped for justice from a second jury. Its 12 people. You dont know what theyre thinking. The foreperson read the verdicts. First degree premeditated murder of Barbara George guilty, first degree premeditated murder. Guilty, murder in the first degree and guilt oat other counts, as well. Felony firearm and insurance fraud. Michael george didnt break down this time. He closed his eyes and seemed to talk to himself. Behind him his wife renee buried her head. Barbs brother contained his joy out of respect for his nieces who lost their mother and now their father. Its a little bit bittersweet. They still have to come to the realization that their fathers a murderer. The prosecutors quietly congratulated each other on the conviction. It was a huge relief that finally the family was getting what they deserved, the justice they deserved. Michael george was led out of the courtroom to begin the rest of his life in prison, no possibility of parole. A terrible injustice as his staunch defense attorney saw it. I was left with this case for four years and i dont see any evidence that he was there committing these crimes. I prosecuted killers, defended killers, this man was not guilty. I dont know why god has put us through this. I do believe he loves us. Six weeks after the verdict, Michael George did finally speak out, but as a convicted murderer at his pro forma sentencing hearing. The catastrophe of putting people away that are innocent has not started with me and will not end with me. Before this, ive never been accused of any crime, nor domestic violence. I have no police ridiculous, no problem with drinking or drugs. I can only hope and pray that the lives that are destroyed by people being overzealous in the Police Community will find mercy in god above. Barbs brother joe expected nothing and said he got it. Once again, no apology. He thinks hes better than anybody else and he thought he was going get away with it. As barbs family saw it since 1990 he did get away with murder until eric smiths cold case unit finally made him pay. Do you still talk to barbara . Yes. Did you talk to her in the courtroom that day . Yes. What did you say . That i love her. That we miss her and that we finally got him and hopefully she can rest in peace and we can move on. This sunday President Trump refusing to admit defeat. Whatever happens in the future, who knows which administration it will be, i guess time will tell. Republican allies reacting either with silence r senator, is it time to acknowledge that president elect biden has won the election . Or support . President trump should not concede. There will be a smooth transition to a second trump administration. As trump loyalists march in washington. Usa [ crowd chanting ] echoing the president s false claims of a stolen election. 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