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Killers are loners. Very rare. Two suspected killers on the hunt. Hunting them a detective devoted to justice and more. Its almost like you adopted these young women . There was a lot of visits to my local church saying, please dont let me screw this up. Hello, welcome to dateline, they were young women with their whole lives ahead of them. Then one by one, they started to vanish. It would take a determined detective willing to go into dark places to uncover the diabolical plot behind the disappearances. Heres Keith Morrison with good and evil. Reporter how do you measure a mothers love or gauge the for ross ferocity of her impulse to protect . I loved her as much as i could. Reporter how to measure love as visceral as the beating heart in her own body . She was my first born. She was my best friend. Reporter how to understand the four mothers you will meet tonight and their connection, one that not one of them would ever have thought possible, not in a million years. Anymore they would have expected to meet her, their Guardian Angel. If i dont bring her home, who will . Reporter its a rare mystery thats truly a confrontation of good and evil. You have to go to the dark places in order to find answers. Reporter a rare mystery that needed an urgent answer before the evil struck again. It was march 14th, 2014, early morning. An army of garbage trucks made their growling clanking way in a anaheim, california. Their destination a landfill that is also a literal mown dane of garbage, 500 feet high. Then midmorning, an attendant separating debris on a conveyer belt saw something. Is that a human foot protrieding from the pile of trash . Surely not. She was on the conveyer belt, only her feet were exposed, initially the workers thought it was a mannequin. Reporter but it wasnt a mannequin, as the responding homicide detective could plainly see. It was or had been a woman. Her body wrapped in a blue plastic tarp. We had no idea who she was, we had no idea where she came from. Howd she end up there . Reporter something about the dead girl got to the detective, ending up this way. An anonymous child of god in a garbage dump. So the detective did what she always does, she bought a rosary. Its a way for me to kind of connect to my victim. Reporter unusual . Maybe. But the detective should lean on her profound catholic faith to help solve crimes . But Julissa Trapp does. Cases dont always get solved in 48 hours. Reporter surprise, surprise. They take time and they need work. Reporter and that little rosary helps you . It does. Reporter if she can solve this case, shed give that rosary to the dead womans family. But first she had to figure out who she was. From just one identifying mark on her neck, a tattoo. Jodi. Was that her name . Reaching out, detective trapp pulled up the Anaheim Police departments database of tattoos. Yes, they have one. Descriptions of tattoos collected from anyone they encounter. And what do you know . There was a match. But her name was not jodi. It was jerree. Jerree estep, she was 21yearsold. She had been contacted a year prior in anaheim on beach boulevard. Reporter beach boulevard . Suddenly detective trapps case took on a whole new connection. If you want to buy drugs, beach boulevard is where you come. If you are looking for a girl, beach boulevard is where you come. A lot of them came from good, stable families that just happened to run into the wrong guy who somehow got them into the job. These pimps are really good about breaking down the women and getting control over them. Reporter making them a prime target for predators. A lot of predators will start with prostitutes because they think that people wont miss them. Reporter somebody does . Yes, somebody does. Somebody did. Reporter like jerrees mother who lived in a tiny town in oklahoma. That tattoo on jerrees neck, this is jodi. Even before the detective got the words out i felt it that she was gone. Reporter her daughter had been so happy, so charming, outgoing, but then, said jodi, a boyfriend convinced jerree to please him, shed have to turn tricks. This is jerree. On tv a self proclaimed video Vigilante Group in Oklahoma City caught her on camera back in 2012. But jerree left the boyfriend, turned her life around, so jodi thought. And then that awful phone call from detective trapp. I was screaming like, screaming. Reporter the detective made promise to that mother, it didnt matter what choices jerree may have made, she the detective, would work this case as hard as any she had ever had motel showing her picture and having the clerk run her name to see if she had stayed there. Reporter eventually, she found the room where jerree had been staying, which with 700 in cash, lipstick, constant lens solution, but nothing whatever to lead her to a suspect. Not here, anyway. From the disposal companies, she got a list of the dumpsters the garbage trucks serviced that morning. She and other officers went dumpster diving, hundreds of dumpsters. What would you be looking for . They were all given pictures of the trash that looked like around her. If it looks similar, take pictures of whats inside. Reporter no luck. A waste of time. Then back on the conveyer belt an odd thing turned up in the trash collected near jerrees body. We got a print hit. Reporter you are talking about a finger print . Yeah. Reporter it was on a caulking tube. It matched someone, a window installer who worked for a Company Called hardy windows. He told me we never throw trash out at customers homes, we always bring it back to hardy windows. Reporter where they found one dumpster no one had checked. The trash company inadvertently left it off the list they gave to police. Detective trapp looked inside. That same blue plastic wrapping. It was almost like i was looking at the same trash i had seen on the conveyer belt. Reporter bingo. If not for that lucky finger print, theyd have missed it. What was that like . It was a combination of frustration but, okay, all right, were moving somewhere. Reporter so jerree was dumped here some time before the morning of march 14th, miles and miles from the spot where, according to cell phone records, she placed her very last outgoing call at 7 00 p. M. The night before. How far away would it have been . 20 miles. Reporter but thats all the detective knew. A week had gone by, everyone at hardy windows was cleared. So no suspects at all. Detective trapp went to church, said her rosary, worried, prayed, and wondered. I heard a story on the news that there was three missing prostitutes in the city of santa ana. Reporter just next door, basically. Right next door, yes. Reporter what if this wasnt the killers first time or last . Coming up four young women in two neighboring towns now missing or dead. Was there a living . Link. We were like what if an odd fact that theyre relate . When dateline continues. Yae block this spring at lowes. With savings on craftsman, scotts and honda. So, you stay ahead of the pack. To switch to jackson hewitt. 100 reasons for you say goodbye to your old tax service and get 100 when you file with jackson hewitt. Plus, youll get our lifetime accuracy guarantee. So maybe its more like 101 reasons. Get your coupon code at jacksonhewitt. Com and get 100 today. When the murrays go to work. Michelangelo goes to work, too. Good thing they use new gain ultra flings with two times the oxi boost, and febreze. Fresh again. Daily security updates. Daily . I dont know. The only thing. Im struggling with this. Some providers you have to manually download updates to each device. 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She loved her dog, her little brother, playing softball. Then it started happening. Eighth grade or so. She was kind of getting typical you know teenage and mouthy. High school came getting around the older kids she kind of got a little worse. Reporter howd you cope with that . Just one day at a time. I loved her as much as i could. It was about the only thing. Reporter after high school, quinna went to high school about a threehour ride from home. A year later, she moved to las vegas. But though far from home now, she got closer and closer to her mom. She would call me every day, text message. Reporter just a fun, loving daughter. Yeah. I didnt think anything was happening. Reporter no idea. Even in october, 2013, when she called to say she was on the bus towards santa ana. Reporter did she tell you why . Visiting friends is what she told me. Reporter but then the girl who called her mother almost daily stopped calming. Anything over a day or two, id go, wait a second, this is not right. I would tekt her, he would text right back. But this time, nothing. Nothing. Reporter gone, not a peep to her mom to her friends, to her boyfriend. Kathy went to the police. When i called to file a missing persons report. They said, shes an adult. There is nothing we can do for you. Reporter but you knew there was a problem in. Yeah. Reporter she did her own digging, tracked her down to a hotel in Orange County, where the trail ended. Her clothes were there but she wasnt. Again, she called the police. And they said, oh, that happens, sometimes prostitutes work circuits. Reporter prostitutes . First i was, okay, no, that cant be. Reporter then the truth came crashing down, undeniable. Quinna had missed a scheduled court date in santa ana for a prostitution charge. Wait a minute, you talked with her every day, texted her all the time in. Exactly. Reporter and you knew nothing of this secret life . No, nothing. Reporter what does it feel like to hear that in. Heart breaking. Reporter when she heard kathys story, detective trapp began to think she was on to something. Then she discovered that just twoandahalf weeks after quinna disappeared, there was another one, josephine monique vargas. She had a beautiful personality. They used to call her giggles because she always made people laugh. Reporter josephines mother priscilla had been on the local news searching for her daughter for months, after she left a family barbque telling them she was walking to buy groceries. That was the last time any of us ever saw her. Reporter she went to the Santa Anna Police department, filled out a report. They didnt really do anything to look for her. Reporter so she did. Nothing was going to stop me looking for my daughter, nothing, or no one. Reporter it was pure chance when priscilla ran into another mother, desperate to find her daughter, martha, 28yearsold and a mother herself who vanished one day. Translator theres no way she would have left. To just say im going and leaving everything behind. R and priscilla went together up and down the boulevard. We make thousands of flyers. Me and her were on a mission to find our daughters. Reporter but no sign of their daughters anywhere. Detective trapp collected their portraits, hung them on her office wall and she stayed away and prayed in her catholic way. Do you ever wonder why god would allow this to happen . I do. There are plenty of times i have been angry with our maker because you have to wonder why does this happen . I mean i wish he would talk back to me and tell me, that would be very helpful. But i just have to figure out what happened. Read the clues, collect the puzzle pieces. The more you can kind of keep a neutral mind the easier the puzzle pieces fit together. Reporter no getting around it. The pieces pointed to a chilling conclusion, those three missing women, just like jerree, may have been murdered. If that was true, it would mean there was a serial killer out there in the night, had to be, more deaths would be coming, unless one idea, it was grasping at straws, yes, but. You know what, it might work now. Why not . Its a hail mary, but lets try it. Coming up all sex offenders on parole, they will have an anklet, a gps monitor. Tracking the killer victim by victim when dateline continues. What makes you, you . Your cells. Trillions of them. Thats why centrum contains 24 key nutrients to feed your cells, supporting your energy so you can take care of what matters most. Centrum. Feed your cells. Fuel your life. A rush of green apple aloe. Hibiscus. An explosion of mandarin ginger lily. Add excitement to your cleaning routine with lysol wipes. The smell of clean reimagined in three energizing scents. Lysol. What it takes to protect. ® the autopsy came in. The one for jerree estep, the girl on the conveyer belt. Its bad. It was bad. It was bad. Reporter strangled, beaten, sexually assaulted, viciously, according to deputy da larry yellin. Should be a college girl and worried about grades and games and those things. Reporter one wrong turn and you never know . Yeah. Reporter but almost three weeks in, detective Julissa Trapp seemed stuck. I think she got a little frustrated and a little desperate and came up with the idea of using the computer database. Reporter that is the computer database of sex offenders, if they had a serial killer on their hands, there was at least a chance hed already run afoul of the law at some point. It was a bit like just poking a finger into the haystack frankly and hoping to encounter a needle. Worth a try. So trapp called this woman. Sexual assault detective laura lamelli. All sex offenders on parole will have an anklet, a gps monitor. Reporter she asked were any of those here where jerree placed her last phone call or here where she wound up in a dumpster. You find the same locations, you are getting somewhere . Mmhmm. Reporter she ran the search. What were the chances she got a hit in both locations . She called detective trapp. Theres only one person. She says, i know him. I says, who . His name is frank canno, hes a registered sex offender. Reporter in 2000, frank canno pleaded guilty to committing a lewd act on a minor. Now, did his monitor put him near the places those other three women, according to phone records, made their last calls . Quinna, josephine and martha . One by one the detective got the coordinates. And every intersection for that date and time that they gave me, frank canno came up. Reporter wow. For every single intersection. I was shocked. Reporter but something about that man, frank canno. He had a buddy. And lamelli had run into them both. I mentioned, i do know he has a friend, stephen gordon. Reporter Steven Gordon, hes done time for molesting a minor and later kidnapping. He and canno were inseparable, apparently. Once again, detective pulled up the gps coordinates to check the place martha was last seen in santa ana, and no gordon. Not there. When she checked locations for quinna and josephine, there he was. So why not at the first location . She checked the record and discovered at that particular moment gordon wasnt on a gps monitor, but he was wearing one at the other three places, and so was canno the electronics made it absolutely obvious. Here they were. Canno and gordon driving together up and down beach boulevard and all around santa ana and anaheim. I mean, even when theyre on the freeway. Reporter they were in the same car . They were in the same vehicle. Reporter Julissa Trapp prayed for a hail mary and never expected anything like this. I soon realized im not just dealing with one, were dealing with two. Two sex offenders wearing gps bracelets . Reporter but for all the electronic cross referencing the case was purely circumstantial. The detective could not arrest them. Not without more evidence and that was terrifying. I mean, there were young women who were at real risk here . Yeah. Reporter and if you waited too long. Yeah. Reporter how would you feel if somebody else was attacked . Lets just say there were a lot of rosaries being prayed for sure. Reporter she set up a Surveillance Team to watch the two around the clock and got authorizations for wiretaps and pulled cell phone records. We started reading Text Messages and seeing, you know, how they were hunting on almost a daily basis and how nonchalant they were about it. It was almost like ordering takeout. You start reading, what do you feel like today . Asian or mexican . Reporter oh boy. What would they call these girls . That was the other thing, cats. Reporter cats . Cats. Be careful, when the cat knows it isnt getting away, its going to fight. Reporter the next victim couldnt be far away because gordon texted canno, kitty cat later . Yes . To which canno responded. Okay. Then a sudden change. Had they spotted the surveillance . As trapp listened to the wiretap, she heard gordon talk to canno about skipping town. I could hear the desperation in frank cannos voice. That desperation just kind of set up the hair on the back of my neck. I said, no, im not waiting anymore. Reporter theyre going to run . Theyre going to run. Reporter time to move fast. They caught one frank canno as he was boarding a bus and Steven Gordon, they found him where he worked, an auto body shop next door to hardy windows, but he made a run for it. Reporter ran out the door . On a bicycle. Yes. He had a little collision with one of our surveillance units and a little flying over the handle bars and he was taken into custody. Reporter both men were charged with four counts each of first degree murder and forcible rape. And detective trapp prepared to confront the suspected serial killer. 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Reporter no not good news at all. Anaheim police told her that two men, frank canno and Steven Gordon, were now under arrest for the murder of her daughter and three other young women in Orange County. What were you like that night . I just wanted to sleep. I wanted to like go to sleep and wake up and pinch myself. Reporter and make it a different world . Exactly. Reporter detective Julissa Trapp wanted to speak with both men, of course. But canno lawyered up, so she tried gordon still in a wheelchair after his bike accident. Hi, steven, how are you . And i knew this was going to be a lot different than any other interview i had done. Hes cunning, manipulative. Reporter he didnt have to talk to you . He did not have to talk to me. Are you cold . Do you want a blanket . If you dont mind. No, not at all. Reporter but detective trapp has a way as they say. You acted compassionate. You were kind to him. You brought him a blanket, food. Yes, we actually shared two meals together. It is spicy. I told you, i told you, be careful. Reporter even so, gordon was reluctant at first. I got nausea. Would you rather talk to somebody else . I dont want to talk to anybody. He watched me very carefully, if i swallowed too hard, if i looked at him differently, he would say, whats wrong . You had a weird look on your face when i said, where, why . So i was constantly trying to keep a poker face to continue to elicit information from him and reporter did he try to play you . Oh, i think he definitely thinks he did, for sure. Reporter bit by bit, she pulled out answers for herself and for those four mothers. Did she go by the name kayla . It starts with a k, kiana. She told me her name was kayla. Reporter he identified all four women. So her, her, her, her . Right . Reporter each murder went the same way, he said. He and canno picked them up in the suv, drove them back to the auto body shop where gordon worked. They took turns having their way. Then, just as each woman prepared to leave strangled her with my hand. You track strangled her . Reporter some of the details in that 13hour interview were almost more than a seasoned detective could stand to hear. As he was hurting martha, she told him, i didnt believe in god, but i do now. There is a part of me thats grateful that she found god at the end. Its disturbing to me that in his response he said, you picked a hell of a time to start believing in god. Ill never forget. Reporter but she had it. A full confession. She called jerrees mother, jodi. I dropped to my knees. Detective trapp gave me her word that she would find who killed my daughter. Reporter detective trapp had kept her word. Now she bought three more rosaries, and wondered, could she bring those women home . Gordon had told her all of them had been left in the same dumpster, the contents of which were brought here, Orange Countys land fill, where except for jerree, they all were still in there, somewhere. We did a lot of research and we had every intention to try to dig for them. Reporter but the bodies had been 40 feet deep by now, digging for them would cost millions. They might never be found and the county couldnt afford that. And theyre just over there, somewhere, you know, 40 feet down . Whats it like . Its frustrating knowing that theyre here and we cant bring them home, that its like for the one thing that the mothers want and i get it and to not be able to do that, it feels its incomplete. Reporter does it drive you crazy . Yes, it does. Reporter kathy menzes knows logically her daughter must be dead. But how to truly accept it without her body . I would go there today and start digging, if they would let me. Reporter it matters, doesnt it . It does matter. Reporter to get her back . Yeah. Reporter you give birth to them, you got to see it through to the end . Yeah, exactly. Reporter in an attempt to make sense of it all, kathy asked detective trapp and her partner to drive her to the place where the killers had picked up quinna. You wanted to go to this last spot. Why may i ask why . Kind of because it was the last known spot that she was at, that i was told she was alive at that spot. So kind of a closure, you know, just to see where she was at when, before they took her, you know. Reporter but that broke her heart to do it. Take this tour of her daughters last hours. I think this is the dead end street that gordon canno entered and turned around and somewhere in this little intersection right here is where she was at. Reporter just an ordinary place, but so painful. It was hard. Its difficult to see, i mean, its not what i expected. The area. I mean, of course, what she was doing is no mothers wish, but just to see this area, to know that it wasnt what i envisioned. It wasnt a dirty, dark, nasty, gross area. Reporter kathy found some piece in that, the knowing, the seeing, but why quinnas life was taken . Its so much harder to comprehend. I dont think ill be able to accept it. Its hard. Its hard. Reporter criminal trials are one way the grieving find answers. And with the confession on tape, the trial of Steven Gordon looked like a formality or so the prosecutor might have hoped. Then the judge made that ruling. Oh, boy. A suspected serial killer turns the case against him upsidedown. Coming up its the piece that brings everything together and now its gone. When dateline continues. My skin gets so tired. This new olay serum feels so dewy, and hydrated. Gives my skin an extra boost of life. Its full of energy. It finally matches me. Im denise bidot, and my skin is powerful. And i can face anything with my olay. Orange county deputy da larry yellin liked his chances against accused serial killer gordon, especially when gordon decided to act as his own defense attorney. Hes very bright. Very bright. Reporter smart enough he should know to not do that sort of thing . Definitely, smart enough to know he shouldnt be representing himself. Reporter but expression expectation can be a dangerous thing. Before the trial began, gordon struck the prosecutors case a major blow. Remember that moment early in his interview when he seemed to reject detective trapps questioning. I got nausea. Would you rather talk to somebody else . I dont want to talk to anybody. Reporter gordon argued that continuing the interview at that point was a miranda violation. Even though detective trapp had read him his rights at the outset the judge agreed. Ruled that the jury could not see a frame of gordons confession. When he makes the ruling, and its out, its a punch in the stomach. Oh man, what are you missing then . Everything. Its the piece that brings everything together and focuses on the four girls and that was gone. All of these women have a special meaning for me. And when it got thrown out, i had a really hard time. Reporter then gordon asked for a meeting and sprang another surprise. He wanted yellin to drop the rape charges. What would he give you in return . He said ill give you a statement can you use against me in this case. Reporter and so on the eve of trial, detective trapp once again sat facetoface with Steven Gordon and he, once again, took her through each crime. Is it fair to say your intention was pick a prostitute and kill her . Yes. Reporter that was played for the jury, then, how bizarre was this . Gordon decided he wanted the jury to hear his first confession too, which meant the mothers had to hear every graphic detail of their daughters murders. Then i thought, maybe i prayed that rosary a little too hard, now weve got two statements in. Reporter the jury wasted no time convicting gordon of four counts of murder. They recommended the death penalty. Si i recorder the investigates be recorded. Reporter for four mothers, a measure of justice. Thank you. Reporter kathy menzes sat through the entire trial, as brutal as it was. What has it done to your understanding of human beings . Very evil. Theres lots of evil in this world. Lots of it. Reporter the mothers will have to sit through another trial. Frank canno is still waiting for his. Hes pleaded not guilty. But for detective trapp, there was a measure of relief and finally, she gave those rosaries to four grieving mothers. Its interesting to discover in this line of work that homicide detectives are actually softies. I think the more you allow yourself to feel the better you will be as a detective. We have to go to the dark places to find answers, the quicker we get in and out, the better it is for all of us. Reporter answers from dark places, we when to the the antiinflammatory before gordon was transferred to death row. Here he was a man who claimed to know the nature of his evil acts. But did he, we wondered . I screwed up. Reporter is screwed up the right expression to use . Huh, probably not. I just didnt want to say it, what i really think. Reporter well, why dont you . Its, its beyond evil what happened, what me and him did was beyond evil. Reporter then came sure enough the kus. Hes worked it out in his head. The parole system is somehow to blame for his crimes. After sex offenders, he and frank shouldnt have been permitted to be together. That was a parole violation the fact that his parole officers didnt prevent that, he said, means the state is responsible. We chose to be together. But we were allowed. There is a difference. Reporter no, no, are you three . What do you mean . Reporter thats what kids say to parents, you let me do a bad thing, its your fault. I didnt say they let us do a bad thing. I said they let us sleep and hang out at the same spot. And they did. Beside what anybody believes youre going to parse that argument . To the day i die, thats true. Reporter i want to know, thats on you, what was going on in your head to make you want to do it, to participate in whatever way you participated, to get whatever thrill . What was the thrill . What was it . I dont think there was a thrill. Reporter if there is no flil, why did you do it . There is no thrill in watching women die like that. But im going to go back to it again and again, it was my anger issues that i have from everything that happened while we were on parole and probation. Reporter we may never know exactly why jerree was killed or martha or josephine or quinna. But there is one more mystery hiding somewhere in this mountain the final mystery. Coming up to me, shes an angel in disguise, an angel that carries a badge and a gun. An angel whose job isnt done. He looks at me and goes, youre missing one. When dateline continues. At . Ive got a 6, 8 and 13 year old. What i need is. A sanctuary . A sanctuary. Any color you want, we can mix it or match it. Nice. G. 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Get secure, reliable internet and voice for an amazing price. Call today. Comcast business. Beyond fast. Four mothers, four dead daughters. Theres sorrow, of course. When they killed her, they killed me. And a measure of solidarity to have each other, especially priscilla and her linda. Now that we know whats happened to our daughters, i know we will still be friends until the end because shes walking in the same shoes i am. We asked them about Julissa Trapp. Translator this case was solved because of her. To me, shes an angel in disguise. An angel that carries a badge and a gun. Their own Guardian Angel who brought all of them answers. But how, the moms wondered, did two men who were supposed to be under supervision by parole officers, who were being tracked in realtime by gps ankle bracelets, how could they have committed the terrible crimes they were charged with . How could this happen . How can this happen . Why were they not being monitored . But it was definitely a hard question to get from the mothers themselves as well. Why wasnt it caught sooner . Sure. Jodie sued the department of rehabilitation claiming it failed to adequately monitor gordon and cano. The state denied the claims and the case was dismissed. Jodie also sued the u. S. Government and agents of u. S. Probation. That case was dismissed as well. And the Administration Office of the u. S. Court published a report that said federal probation officers followed policies and procedures. As for detective trapp, there was one last mystery to solve. Because when she first talked to Steven Gordon, he revealed something she wasnt expecting. He looked at me, and he goes, youre missing one, which caught me off guard, and i tried not to show too much emotion. And i said, okay. And that was the first time i learned about jane doe was from him. Jane doe. According to gordon, there was a fifth victim. Did she say where she was from . She said she was from compton, but i feel a responsibility because jane doe is not a missing person. Shes shes an unknown, and i feel like if i dont look for her, who will . I know there is a family out there wondering where she is. And so she looked. She combed through missing persons reports. She put up fliers, searched, prayed, and, yes, bought another rosary. Why is it so important to give jane doe a name to you, personally . I just think because shes helpless. Youre on the street. Youre working as a prostitute, and you run into steve gordon and franc cano, and your last hours on this earth are horrific. And then they discard you like trash. Trash. Detective trapp is still haunted by trash. That keeps bringing her mind back here. Even though it is a landfill, i mean it is quite peaceful when its quiet. Somewhere under here, in addition to kianna, josephine, and martha, there was victim number five. And so detective trapp worked her sources until she had a name. It would be reasonable to say, okay, thats her. Shes here. Absolutely. Logically, yes. Absolutely. And yet when we first spoke with her, she couldnt quite bring herself to tell yet another mother her suspicions. I not only do i have to tell her shes dead. I have to tell her that shes one of these girls. So thats going to be hard, i think. Out here with us, she seemed to be willing herself, pulling strength from jane doe herself. I think in her own way shell help me. Shell help me. I dont think she wants to be jane doe forever. And then a couple of months later, she let us know shed called on the fifth mother and delivered the news, that sable pickett, just 19 years old, crossed paths with gordon and canno in the streets of Orange County and did not survive. No charges are pending for her murder, but another family can finally stop wondering. Homicide detectives often tell us they work for the dead. Up here on landfill mountain, we understood that a little better. As detective Julissa Trapp gripped her rosary, the one for sable, we walked away and gave her time. And our microphone picked up something. Hail mary, full of grace, the lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women. Mountains of trash, things we use and cast away. But for detective Julissa Trapp, this will always be hallowed ground. Its hard to look at that and know thats where you ended up, and i know you guys are all in a better place. And i know that youre together and youre helping each other. You can rest now. And i can take it from here. Thats all for this edition of dateline. Im natalie morales. Thats all for this edition of dateline. Im natalie morales. Thanks for watching. This sunday, overworked, y overrun, and overwhelmed. This is truly an unprecedented situation. Overrun, and overwhelmed. This is truly an unprecedented situation. The country in a desperate fight against the coronavirus. In a war with very limited resources. 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