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Wants to bend every part of the federal government to his will. Then, prove it. Former u. S. Attorney general donald air gives jack smith the argument Election Interference Case against donald trump. And desantis in disarray. He is already planning a campaign reboot. It looks like more of the same failed ideas that have been sinking his president ial hopes. Im Ayman Mohyeldin. Let us get started. Tonight, we start this hour with a dire warning about a second trump presidency. A scenario that is still a very real possibility. Despite Donald Trumps ever growing legal chaos because if he gets back into the white house, the changes that he would make arent just about republican priorities, not policies. The changes would be designed to protect and empower donald trump like no president before. According to the new york times, trump and his allies are plotting to drastically increase president ial power should he win the 2024 election. A Second Trump Administration would order criminal investigations into his political rivals, if trump gets his way. It would and the postwatergate norm of Justice Department independents. Whats more, quote, mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal. To alter the Balance Of Power by increasing the president s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the white house. As the economists note, the combined effect of appointing only loyalists and counting the bureaucracy would be a move would be both to remove constraints on mr. Trump and to ensure his wishes are acted on more often. That is the future, if trump wins next year. Lets be clear about that. He has been plotting this course for months, according to historian and friend of the show been india. Quote, trumps plans are consistent with the 21st century playbook for authoritarians. Tell the public how you will set up an authoritarian state well before you get into office. Frame your intended expansion of executive powers as a mere streamlining of the government. Dont forget to repeatedly praised dictators as brilliant and topoftheline people so they will be no surprise when you act in a similar manner. What your followers appetite for destruction of existing norms by advertising how you will purge the sikh Political Class that hate our country from government. In the unspoken truth that makes this even scarier . Congressional republicans wont ever stop trump from doing this. They would be eager coconspirators. Look at the evidence this week. After trump announced that he had received another Target Letter from jack smith, what did he do . He called Kevin Mccarthy in republican conference chair stefanik, urging them to rally gop lawmakers to defend him. Not the law. Then, there is news from politico That Mccarthy and donald trump have an understanding. That mccarthy would actually hold a vote to expunged trumps two impeachments from the house record. Because republicans want to whitewash trumps past actions all to protect him in the future. In 2025, trump went to question bloodless and every agency, in every position. He would turn the Justice Department into an investigation machine, targeting his perceived a bit as. He would have the gop cheering on his autocratic impulses to Dystopian Nightmare that, sadly, could be reality in this country in just 18 months from now. Joining me now, cutting him an embassy b. C. Lamb and legal analyst and former federal prosecutor and pell arrivals, msnbc contributor and author of finding latinx. Its great to have all of you with us. Carol, i will start with you. This political report About Mccarthy and trump, how speaker reportedly agreed to expunge trumps impeachments before the august recess. Does the house have the Legal Authority to do so . Is there any significance to beyond pr . When it comes to impeachments, eamonn, what congress decides to do is the law. Its such a political process and it is by design a political process. It is not a Legal Process at all. So, can they choose to, quote, expunge an impeachment . Who knows they probably can because there is nobody but congress that makes the rules there. I think it is a bit of a Bargaining Chip That Mccarthy tried to use. He is trying to walk this very delicate line between separating himself from donald trump and not separating himself from donald trump. As we get closer to the election, it is going to be very [inaudible] that that is an impossible line to draw. Paula, its beyond belief that a twice impeached, likely to be a thrice indicted man, is the runaway leader of the gop primary. It keeps getting stronger. Is it even crazier that trump is leading to such an extent while openly signaling that he wants to effectively destroy the federal government as we know it . Its not. You started the segment by saying that there is a warning sign. Besides Warning Signs in 2015, the man. I saw the line between who donald trump is in the sort of latin american authoritarian figures that i grew up around. My father was a journalist like us, thrown out out of cuba because he asked hard questions. He was thrown out [speaking in a nonenglish language] because he has hard questions. He was thrown out of Donald Trumps conference in 2015 because he was there asking hard questions. Theres nothing in the return figure is more scared of than someone who is challenging their power, that abuse of power. We dont have to guess what he will do. We already know what he will do. He is going to destroy the independence of the media. He will destroy the independence of these agencies. He will destroy the constitution. To bring it back to how we try on the panel, what chavez did when he was raised power, they destroyed their constitutions. They change their constitutions to reform the structures of governance that would then allow them to become who they were. That is one weapon that donald trump has. This vision that he has. The second thing he is doing is the psychological damage that he is already affecting in this country where he has this Blinds Devotion of people that will follow him. Until this fictitious story plays out. Brittani, from your perspective, why do you think republicans have turned so aggressively against democracy on our system of checks and balances . On the rule of law, is it just that the party is following Donald Trumps lead . Is there something bigger at play here and they know that this democracy would effectively, as it grows and continues and the electorate changes, is the demise of the party and democracy has to be stopped in order for them to continue their existence . You are asking the proper question. This election is all about whether or not we want to walk a pathway to ward up multi racial democracy. Democrats know that. Independent. That republicans know that. They know that because they understand that a true multi racial democracy actually threatens the power that they have been hoarding and building for generations. This is why desantiss Rewriting History Books to say that slavery was beneficial. This is why nikki haley defended the use of the Confederate Flag on our states capital. This is why this Party Continues to try to rewrite what happened on january 6th and every single day before it because they want to make sure that they can preserve their power at all costs. This is part of the reason why these many legal challenges that trump is dealing with are so much bigger than those specific trials. This is about ensuring that there is accountability for somebody who, unfortunately, learned well have to make sure that he doesnt have accountability from the first time he was president. Here he is, running again, based on the last four years that he had and say, heres what i would change to make sure that they can have an absolute rule of law and that i can be the kind of dictator that i want to be. We have to campaign very, very carefully that trump is the leader in this moment, but this is about something much bigger play. This is about the protection of power that has been important for generations. The dismissal of the idea that a multi racial democracy actually is well deserved. Carol, lets talk about the difference between what is law and what is tradition in this country for a moment with our federal agencies. Lets say that trump wins in 2024. He moves to get the doj, the fbi. All of the three littler agencies that he deems insufficiently loyal. How could these actions be challenged in a court of law . Is the independents of these agencies built into our laws . Are they the norms and conditions of our politics . That is such a good question, amen. The answer is, the Constitution Talks about the three benches of government. The Executive Branch, headed by the government. The legislative branch and the judiciary. It does not say a lot about how those three branches interact. That is largely the results of a lot of tradition and history, as you know. Also, very hard lessons learned. My concern would actually not be so much that he would gut the fbi and the doj as it is that he would step them and such a way that they would go only after the people that he perceived to be political opponents. That is the root of authoritarianism. That is the most frightening thing. Its almost as if once a generation, the nation forgets how fraught the relationship can be between the department of justice and the Executive Branch when it is the president or those close to the president who are under investigation. It is a very, very difficult situation because the Conflict Of Interest is obvious and weve tried independent counsels. Weve tried special councils. It is always a difficult situation. Maybe no more obvious and example bend the saturday night massacre. But the attorney general and the Deputy Attorney general resigned their positions rather than do what president nixon was telling them to do, which was fire the independent counsel that it was investigating him. So, you are right. There is not a lot of Legal Protection against a president. Taking the kinds of actions he wants to take. Its the legislature is going to back him up on that. If the courts back him up on that. The odds are that they cant and they would, if they are step by the president. Yeah, im going to say. If youre talking about a congress that was led by Kevin Mccarthy, is it is a safe bet. Going to follow him all the way to the end. Caroline, thank you very much. Brittani and were gonna see later in the. Our next, what special counsel jack smiths team would need to prove to get a conviction in the Election Interference Case. First, jessica lane is here with the headlines. Hey, ayman. Stories were watching for you this hour. In greece, wildfires are raging for the fifth day, forcing massive evacuations there. Local authorities there say thousands of people have fled the island of roads. One of the countrys most popular summer destinations. So far, thank goodness, no injuries have been reported. South koreas military said north korea fired several rounds of Cruise Missiles into the city. This move appears to be in protest against the deployment of u. S. Nuclear arms submarine that was sent to south korea. 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Youve seen his tweets begging on his supporters to stronglys capital. You have washes the January 6th Select Committee Laid Out A Damning Case against him. Now, with a third indictment against the ex president funding for those efforts to interview in the 2020 election, we are left with one question. What will federal prosecutors need to prove in court in order to convict donald trump . Well, just days before trump himself broke the news of the doj target but, or a group of experts with decades of ex bird laid out their ideas in a model prosecution memo, walking through a road map for the case of the United States versus donald trump. In the january six interference investigation, including admissible evidence potential charges impossible legal issues. Their conclusion . Quote, theyre likely is sufficient evidence to obtain and sustain a conviction of trump for his three step plan to overturn the election. So, how did they reach that conclusion . Lets watch discuss with one of the authors of that memo. Former Deputy Attorney general under george h. W. Bush, donald air, he is a u. S. Attorney under president ronald reagan. Its great to have you with us, donald. First, i want to get your reaction to what was inside that Target Letter. You have the three federal statutes you statutes mentioned, including deprivation of rights under color block, Conspiracy To Defraud the United States, and tampering with a witness. How does that measure up with what you and your colleagues predicted . Well, its pretty similar. Its similar in one major way. That is that we were concerned in our memo that clearly a good successful prosecution is going to have to somehow or other managed to deal with a huge amount of evidence and need to present it in a way that streamlines and simplifies what is being alleged. We suggest three specific statutes be used. Two of them are mentioned in the Target Letter. The third one thats mentioned in the Target Letter is a little different. One thing that the Target Letter doesnt mention is the idea of prosecuting donald trump for insurrection. I think it is a little hard to say. The other thing we have to say is that jack smith on the Prosecution Team is not bound by what is in this letter. Of course, i dont know anyone has actually seen the letter. So, really speculating quite a bit when we talk about this. When do you believe we can see a possible indictment in the case . What is the timeframe or what is the process frame, if you will, in terms of steps between someone receiving a Target Letter and then seeing an indictment come out . What is the prosecution or jack smith possibly doing at the moment . Well, i think hes calling. We know he called one witness the other day and what hes probably doing is trying to use the grand jury to get the final pieces of evidence collected under oath. He feels like he can get and would like to have. Usually a Target Letter comes out very shortly before an indictment. So, i think the reasonable expectation is within a week or so there will be an indictment. One thing i just want to inject here is that theres been a long road coming to this. I think everyone has been paying attention is focused on the importance of getting accountability here, maybe a little frustrated. The fact is, this process is working and has worked. Now, it looks very much as though there is going to be a prosecution of donald trump for the most serious offenses that he is engaged in. I think that is something that ought to make us all want to pause and be thankful and recognize that the system of ours, as imperfect as it may be, actually does seem to have the ability to deal with these terrible situations that he has put the country in. Let us talk about strategy for a moment. In that piece you and your colleagues advised smith to use, quote, a focused approach to charging and trying the case, recommending using something with a threepart structure mentioned. In the piece that lays out trumps scheme to a jury should follow more simplistics approach or a simpler approach. Tell us why. Tell us about that three act plan and why in a case like this, it is important that the doj keeps things simple. Right. Well, basically, any criminal case has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That is a very high standard. So, prosecution has to manage to find a way to talk with the jury and present evidence. It has to be admissible evidence. It has to be people who have, in many cases, firsthand experience. It has to be documents that are authenticated incompetent to come in. They have to think about all of those specifics. Then they have to think about what is going to be the experience for jurors when theyre sitting there in the jury box . For how long are they going to be sitting there . For three months . Longer . For much less than that, hopefully . This is gonna be a case that can be presented in a story be told . Are sort of three act suggestion, which we offered only as one way to organize the evidence, was essentially to look at Over Chronology of time, three phases of this. The first one was the big series of things that occurred when trump began to try to interfere with the counting of votes. It included lots of things, including boston, which he has the right to. Bring also included phone calls to various state officials. It also included a whole elaborate scheme of phony electoral votes, certificates that were prepared. All of which is entirely improper. All of those efforts went forward. That is kind of act one to try to put the thing into shapewear trump would actually look as if hed won, even though he lost. Act to is, well, if you didnt manage that, now what we have to do, we have to lean on mike pence. We have to get mike pence to play ball with us, do the right thing. Some, they beat him around the head and shoulders and did everything they could to basically try to get him to not do his job. Again, that failed. He didnt knuckle under to that. Then the third act, essentially, in our memo was basically, the events on january 6th and the effort to use supporters who had come to washington because he invited them to come to washington, to go to the hill and put pressure to get that process to work. More pressure on mike pence. Also, if need be, maybe stop the process. Was just brigand a congress and stop them from having the event there trying to have. Somehow or other, that insurrection maybe could prevent it. Those are the three pieces that we offered up. The story that can be told fairly simply, even though theres an enormous amount of evidence available to support it. Now, it appears that if the letter weve heard accounted is accurate, it is in fact the limits on what jack smith and the prosecutors intend to do, it appears that they may not be pursuing the insurrection charge. I think that there are very sensible and good reasons why. Because it might end up being the models complicated and difficult to prove. Why . Youre going to have to show that donald trump either incited the insurrection or, at least, participated in the insurrection. So, there are various complications on that. Perhaps jack smith has decided that he is really going to go for the main event. He is going to go for donald trump, once he lost, decided he was going to steal the election making his own anyway. We will find out what happens in the coming days. Possibly weeks, if it does come forward. We certainly appreciate what you wrote and what you have to say here tonight. Donald, former Deputy Attorney. Greatly appreciate your time. Thank you. 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All right, are you ready for so researchers can help life underwater flourish. A reboot . After weeks of burning through cash, firing staffers, losing donors and basically failing in every poll, nbc news is reporting that ron desantis is looking to restart his already flailing president ial campaign. Staffers tell nbc news that we should have fewer speeches and handshaking in diners and churches. A bigger focus on National Level issues. Instead of rehashing his work in florida. More Mainstream Media interviews. Good luck with that, braun. And short, they are friendly desantiss campaign as that of an insurgent candidate instead of an incumbent governor. To that, we wish the governor a lot of luck. [inaudible] convincing news media that smaller crowds somehow translate into more support. Good luck getting folks in New Hampshire to leave around desantis is turning over a more moderate leaf went this week he doubled down on Anti Lgbtq Hysteria by announcing he wants to launch an investigation into, wait for it, but light for partnering with a transgender social media influencer. Good luck running from your record in florida when your states overhauled African American history standards now have middle schoolers learning that slaves, quote, develop skills that could be applied for their personal benefit. A farce that Vice President Kamala Harris addressed during a surprise visit to florida yesterday. Adults know what slavery is [inaudible] it involved rape. It involved torture. It involved taking a baby from their mother. How is it that anyone could suggest that in the midst of these atrocities, that there was any benefit to being subjected to this level of dehumanization . All right. Brittani and paula are back with. We also joining us, eugene daniels, msnbc political contributor White House Reporter for politico. Eugene, i will start with you. In this round, what is the mood like inside the Desantis Campaign between the cash crunch, staff firings, donors criticizing the candidate in the press and basically trying to get through the week without having a meltdown . Its not great, amen. Its not great. Just like every time, every second we have this, we have a candidate who seems very excited to folks, they have the voters, they have the donors who are really excited about them. And then they have to do a shake up. Shakeups dont always work out that while in the end. I will say, this is a campaign that continues to get a lot of money. One i talked to republicans they say, one, the reasons that this bill is so big is because people arent scared around a sentence. Didnt have anything to do with donald trump. In their eyes, they wanted to beat number two guys. Starting to see a lot more peoples appoint going after round desantis. As he does this shake up, hes going to tear air holes than he has been so far. Also, other republican operatives throughout the field, what theyll tell you behind closed doors, is that sometimes when these changes happen is because the Campaign Manager wasnt spending money right, they werent doing the right thing digitally. Did the wrong ads. What you hear from folks is they feel it is a candidate this time. Its really hard to change the candidate, right . Its very difficult to take the person at the center of it and have them change their personality. An extreme makeover candidate additions that i dont know about . I mean it would be we would wash it. I dont know if it works for 2024 campaign, especially when you have donald trump at the top right now. Listen, write that down. Lets get that trademark, you and i are on to something. We can be out of this. Let me ask you really quickly let me ask you really quickly, britney, to eugenes point, desantis knows he has an image problem. He knows he needs to engage with the immediate more. His solution is to double down on farright cultural grievances. As i mentioned, this is a guy who is like, oh, i think this is a good time to go after bud light. Hes going to defend floridas parents new teaching standards about slavery. He cant even get there a basic media i dont say interview, just any kind of interaction without yelling at the reporter. They wanted to do more Mainstream Interviews where hes going to get pushed and challenged on his record. Listen. He absolutely needs that extreme makeover. There is not enough makeup. Not enough extensions. Not enough Plastic Surgery in the world to change Rhonda Santas to be someone who he is not. What, this is someone who when he was a History Teacher, straight out of a hot college, effect that he likes to conveniently bout of his many biles across the internet, when he was a History Teacher at a Private School in georgia, he was known from students who remember him, justifying slavery. Talking about The Civil War Being A States Rights issue, as if it was the states trying to keep the right to his slave people. This is someone who is making his preferences and beliefs about abortion known all the way back then in the classroom and then parting with students on the weekends. So, he cant help but be who he is. No matter how many Talking Points you give him, this is someone who absolutely fundamentally believes in white supremacy. I dont think hes gonna be able to change that anytime soon. Yeah. Paula, lets call a spade a spade. Its not his Campaign Manager. Digital, anything that is easy to address. His core problem, honestly, is his personality. Minnesota swing voters and focus group said they think he is cruel to Queer Americans that he is, quote, want to be dictator. I mean i think we are all in agreement here. He is missing, in my opinion, the two most important ingredients that you need to be a successful president ial candidate. , sorry. Ive heard a lot of differences between ron desantis today and where barack obama was in the summer 2007, right . That summer, 2007, Raqqa Bomb Out was the underdog. Hillary clinton was at least 20 points ahead of him. The idea of a successful inferno bomb was completely unthinkable. But he has in that sense, donald trump also, has two of those things that desantis will never happen, the story. Right . Hope and change was an aspirational message that made people believe in a better future. Make America Great again makes a lot of white people believe in a future for that power that the hold is completely intact. Youre saying, you dont think bud light is a Campaign Slogan . You know what hes against. His entire message is what he is against. Against trans people, queer people, against beer. Against books. What is he for . I cant tell you what his fourth. People dont know what he is for. That continues to be him. Well all be in agreement. Eugene, this made me chuckle earlier this week. Twitter users responding to desantiss reboot with the headline from june 2015 regarding jeb bush announcing a shake up of his own illfated president ial run. Is ron desantis doomed to suffer the same fate of that former Florida Governor . It is possible. Anything is possible. Especially in politics nowadays. I will say Brown Desantis is more [inaudible] then jeb bush was in 2016 in 2015, right . He does have some of the things that Trump Supporters like about donald trump. Thats what hes number one. The problem is that he hasnt connected with them. He hasnt gone after donald trump in the way that hes been able to thread that needle. Showing desantis he is the guy and donald trump is not. They dont want someone like jeb bush. They dont want someone, it, seems like will hurd or is a hutchinsons, the spokeswoman to go after donald trump. They are interested in him. When you talk, theyre interested. They want to like desantis, theyre just having her turnout. Theyre not giving him [inaudible] all, right eugene, paula. Stick around. Brittani, greatly appreciate your insights. Great to see you. After the break, Senate Republicans or House Republicans will take the title of worst of the week. That is next. Next. With artificial intelligence, groundbreaking transparent hood technology, and intuitive design inside and out. This is the allnew glc. Completely reimagined. Make a splash with the ultimate pool party essential. Blendjet gives you icecrushing, big blender power onthego, so you can Soak Up The Sun with a frosty beverage. Enjoy 15 blends before rapidly recharging via usbc. 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According to a poll, theyre upset about and paul is upset about the origins of covid19. And they are protesting in a manner that is quote, undermining National Security. That is how Secretary Of State, Antony Blinken described it. And Kevin Mccarthy, the speaker of the house making a deal with the devil, Placating The Extreme Maga gop to the detriment of modern republicans. As we mentioned earlier, political reporter That Mccarthy has an agreement with trump to expunge trumps to impeachment from the house record. But many republicans, including those still in congress who voted to a peach trump dont want to revisit those impeachments. The same ones who pair that maga republicans are withholding votes on defunding and antiabortion measures could cost them their seats next year. Go to my panel, to take the seat on. This who do you have . The house gop. Or the senate gop . Its a tough form in the senate. Because the house has been doing where the house has been doing for a while at this point. Theyre playing politics as usual, reinforcing their lies, its not with the american people, its not with their constituents, its with 1 , donald trump. We understand. That the senate, specifically tuberville, doesnt have just playing politics. Hes playing with peoples lives, with members of the militarys lives, with the readiness of our military. That is what is at risk here. This is a person that is a Pro Life Senator that is proNational Security, yet he is completely jeopardizing our National Security. And do not trust the person that had said in the past that White Nationalist are not racist. Because that is a person that does not understand the core threat of our National Security. Which is in white supremacy, and white nationalism. It is not woman who believe in the rights. It is not what transgender people that are serving this country. It is what he cannot see. Eugene, the Policy Points, the house is going to house. What do you think . I think that is right. I think it is in the senate. And those points are correct, and i would just add that the idea of supporting the military has been at the heart of republican politics for as long as i can remember. And for as long as all of us have been alive. So that is part of the problem with tuberville right now. Is that he is on the opposite side of the Republican Party and what they want to be, and what they want to project to the american people. Which is supporting the army. Supporting the military. And making sure that everyone understands that. He also, as paula just brought up, he had talked about White Nationalists and not being racist. That was something that was a lot of the folks in the Republican Party in the senate who agreed with him even on what he is fighting for. The Policy Points were still saying to us that he was embarrassing them on that point. And the last thing is in the house there are all kinds of. A lot of them are in lockstep with Kevin Mccarthy. He is in charge for tuberville. He is at odds with the leader in the senate. Mitch mcconnell wants him to stop doing this. That is one thing. There are a lot more republicans in the house who want him to stop this. And theres also things that Chuck Schumer can do to get around him. That would be a little bit more embarrassing for republicans in the senate. Listen, im old enough paula to remember during hearing throughout the republican legislation, republicans screaming and saying that democrats hated trump more than they loved our country. But isnt this an example of republicans hating biden more than they love the country . Youve got tuberville, vance, and paul all blocking these promotions for petty political reasons . Clearly, whats happening in the real world is that things are looking pretty good for biden. In the real world, where people are actually impacted by Real Policy Issues . Crime is going down, Border Crossings are going down, inflation is going down, unemployment is going down. So at the end of the day, they can continue their infighting, they can continue fighting about who is more loyal to trump. And they can continue under the shadow of trumpism. What weve talked about at the beginning of the segment. Who really has power over them . But outside . The country keeps moving. And outside its looking a lot better for joe biden. So long as it continues. As it well. Eugene, we often talk about how Kevin Mccarthy has lost control of his block. Of the extreme far wing of the maga way if you will, on the house side. But i dont feel we talk about Mitch Mcconnell enough in the same context. Because when you look at what Tommy Tuberville is doing, what j. D. Vance is doing, and what others are doing. It seems very odd that he is unable to rein them in. That Mitch Mcconnell is an able to bring them into the fold. And they are out there blocking these promotions, and hurting the National Security of our country, with very little criticism towards Mitch Mcconnell. I think its because Mitch Mcconnell has this reputation on the hill of not really twisting the arms of other senators. Folks in his caucus, hes not interested in doing that. He lets people operate on the way that they want. Until the very end, when he comes in and elects to be seen as the savior. Someone who has got the deal together, who made democrats squirm a little bit. Thats way he likes to operate. So i think thats probably the reason. And also just more people who are doing more embarrassing things in the house. Things that are much more out of touch which where most of the countrys. And Mitch Mcconnell is at risk of losing his Leadership Position if these farright folks in the senate are passed off. And the house, that is the opposite for Kevin Mccarthy. 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