His rhetoric is getting worse, teetering on the brink of dangerous. Plus, the growing movement in wisconsin against President Bidens israel policy, they want him to end his support, and this war, now. After helping take away their right to choose, some texas judges learn the hard way that you shouldnt mess with texas women. Im ayman, lets do it. In 2015, then candidate donald trump launched his bid for presidency at trump tower by speaking in dehumanizing terms about mexican immigrants. Nine years later, we saw trump this week campaigning for a second term in grand rapids, michigan, flanked by Law Enforcement officers. He reported is baseless claim that countries are sending drug dealers, mental patients, and terrorists into the u. S. He said of migrants accused of crimes, theyre not humans, theyre animals. In front of a crowd of cheering supporters, he painted a dystopian story of immigrants crawling through your windows and ransacking your drawers, where they loot the jewelry. The Republican National committee isnt shying away from trumps comments. It is capitalizing off of them after the uproar over his bloodbath comments, the rnc launched a website called leiden bloodbath. Com that torched President Bidens border policies. Trump and the gop are making the dehumanization of immigrants a cornerstone of his 2024 platform, and this week the expresident took things a step further by campaigning with former Administration Officials who helped shape his horrific border policies. Former acting icy director tom homan was a key guest during a closeddoor reception at mara lago called the border 911 gala. Hes best known for being an early proponent of trumps cruel zero tauro tolerance policy which resulted in at least 5500 families being separated at the southern border in 2018. He was joined by Matt Whitaker, former chief of staff at the doj, when it implement of the Zero Tolerance policy. The Family Separation Policy was so controversial for republicans and trump himself that the former president had to walk it back, eventually signing an Executive Order ending the practice. But, by that point, the damage had already been done to thousands of migrant families. [ speaking in a global language ] [ speaking in a global language ] last year, tom homan commented on the controversial policy after having time and space to reflect on the devastating lifelong Concert Tenses for family. Im sick and tired of hearing about the family separation. Im still being sued over that, i dont give. Trump has been vague about whether he would reinstate the Zero Tolerance policy if re elected, but if he does win, remember that he will have the voices of people like tom homan in his ear to push the same horrific agenda that tore apart thousands of migrant families without any regret. And it could even be much worse this time around. Lets bring in my panel, joining me now are matthew dowd, senior msnbc political analyst and Chief Strategist for the bush cheney 2004 campaign. Amisha cross, democratic strategist and former Obama Campaign adviser. Marybelle hernandez rivera, director of policy and Government Affairs for border and immigration act, its great to have all three of you with us. Matthew, ill start with you. From doing what trump does, doubling down on this anti immigrant rhetoric. We all remember the outrage from 2015, in some ways, though, the fact that he keeps doing it has normalized it for his base, and the shock factor of what he does seems to have worn off on Many Americans who support this guy. I think its past normalization to his base, its actually, they like it, and the more inflammatory ways he talks, the more they seem to like it in the course of this. First of all, a couple of things on this. Its not surprising that there is a politician like donald trump doing this. This has happened throughout our american history, it happened with my irish ancestors, it happened with the chinese, its happened throughout our history that certain politicians inflame the population, especially if theyre in fear over something, they point at somebody who doesnt look like them and blame them. The height of this, to me, is that he said this within days of easter, the highest holiday of the christian faith, and he ought to spend some time reading his 60 bible that he was trying to hawk, because throughout it in the gospels in the old testament, there is a constant thing about loving, welcoming, treating immigrants well, and donald trump seem to have forgotten that or never read that part of it, and the most of the critical thing about this is, the level of support that he gets from White Evangelical Christians in this, while simultaneously speaks against immigrants, which is of course totally against what the bible preaches, is such a hypocrisy that it points out, the rot in the christian faith, today. And the rot in donald trump. You said trump was recently asked on fox why he does use such dehumanizing terms and language when he describes and talks about migrants. I want to play you that exchange, watch. Why do you use word like vermin and poisoning of the blood. The press, as you know, thats the kind of language that hitler and miscellany used. I didnt know that. Thats what they say. Because our country is being poisoned. I didnt know that, but thats what they say. I didnt know that thats what hitler said but i guess now he does know. I wonder if hes still going to use it. What you make of his explanation there . It wasnt one at all. There is no apology because hes not apologetic for this is how he views immigrants which is ironic, the only immigrants it seemed he does like are the people that he married, in addition to a couple who worked on his campaign, Boris Epstein and sebastian gorka, ironically, someone who was also a refugee when he came to the United States who also goes out and says similar things to what weve heard donald trump say on the campaign trail. When it comes to being anti immigrant and these anti immigrant sentiments for black and brown people because he puts a different ire on immigrants of color than he does immigrants from europe. We have to be very understanding of where he is coming from, not to make sense of it, but to seek also why people rally around that. Because were seeing from the immigrants, the migrants who have been sent from texas, the migrants sent from florida to cities and towns across america, chicago being my hometown but also new york and other places, where the strain on the system, whether schools, health, any of these other areas of focus, those people even though they may not be embedded in the same rhetoric as donald trump, are very upset about what theyre seeing happen. Hes playing on suppression, hes playing on anger of people in cities that cant control and dont have funds to support what is happening right now, but hes also praying on something that matthew alluded to a while ago, the evangelical base, the white evangelical base that he loves, those individuals have often been racist. This isnt new to them, they pushed out immigrants, they pushed out black people, African Descendents Of Slaves who were never immigrants to begin with. That is what they do. I dont think the bible is going to stop them, they use the bible while they were burning crosses in communities of black people of color across the country. Thats not where theyre at on this, theyre absolutely speaking matthew, mark, luke, and john until it comes to a person of color. Marybelle, what is Trump Signaling by appearing with these antiimmigrant hawks like tom homan and Matt Whitaker who were both essential in shaping family separation, and what it might mean if donald trump is reelected . Thank you for having me, ayman. The first thing is we know that the trump campaign, their main tactic is using fear, dividing us, which is why the use dehumanizing language when speaking about people who are immigrants. Lets be clear. Were talking about human beings. Were talking about children, fathers, we are talking about people who are contributing to our society and our economy. But what we have seen, this isnt just rhetoric. This has reallife consequences. In his administration we saw the reallife consequences of his rhetoric. What did we see . We saw children being ripped away from their parents, children being caged, we saw people who have a legal right to seek refuge while being able to protect themselves. What can we expect in a new Trump Administration . The same and worse. He put out his Immigration Plan and said he was going to do that and more. What i want to make sure that we are clear is that this has reallife consequences, and did not only affect people who are immigrants, it also affects u. S. Citizens and it affects people who will be voting in november. We need to make our voices heard, because this cannot be normalized. Putting kids in cages and putting kids away from their families cannot be normalized. Trump has made it clear that hes going to continue this harsh border agenda if he wins, hes been a little bit vague about this specific Zero Tolerance policy if hes going to reinstate it. Do you think hes testing it with supporters, Pivoting To A General Election mindset, or is he going to even upend that policy with something more extreme, more dangerous, more hurtful, more hateful . I think every single indication is that donald trump is going to be more cruel and more hateful in his second term. I dont think he thought, i did too much and now in his second term im not going to do enough. Hes going to make it worse, which is stated eloquently in the course of this. Donald trump is going to be far crueler, and far more anti immigrant than he was in his first four years, and that is a dangerous thing not only to those people, but also our economy as has been studied in the last two years. Our economy has grown deeper and wider than any other european economy, and the main reason cited is, immigrants into this country. Marybelle, trump said in michigan this week at a rally that he spoke to the family of ruby garcia, 25yearold woman who was allegedly murdered by an undocumented immigrant. Though, according to garcias sister, trump never spoke to them and criticized him for politicizing her sisters death. No surprise that donald trump would exploit this family, this grieving family for his own personal agenda, and lie about the fact that he spoke to them. Yes, yes. We see him lie again and again. We see him use cruelty for crueltys sake. Lets be very clear, cruelty is not a solution. Cruelty is not a policy that we should be pursuing. What we should be pursuing our Real Solutions. What are those Real Solutions . We can prove processing at the border. What else can we do . We can support cities that are welcoming immigrants who are arriving. What else can we do . We have dreamers who are waiting for a lawful pathway to citizenship and we have longtime residents who, as have been said, have been contributing to the economy. It is because of immigrants that we did not have a recession. It is because of immigrants that the u. S. Economy is growing. We need to put aside the lies from trump, and we need to focus on Real Solutions and look at the facts, and we need to step away from cruelty. Amisha, axios is reporting that trump is ramping up his antiimmigrant rhetoric, his team is reportedly plotting to change the governments interpretation of the Civil Rights Era laws to focus on antiwhite racism, rather than discrimination against people of color. Its pretty obvious what is going on here, and what hes trying to do. Again, political exploitation with the grievances of his base, the predominantly aggrieved white male. Absolutely. The devil works hard, but donald trump and his White Supremacist days work harder. Its frustrating, because the civil rights movement, the Civil Rights Act and all of the policies that came out of that are now subject to reversal, and were seeing it happen in states across the country in trump appointed judges who are uplifting and upholding these rulings. We saw it, we watched the Affirmative Action coming out of the Supreme Court, we watched redistricting happen across various places, were watching the anticrt, movement, and were seeing donald trump ratchet up hate, not only for the immigrant population but the person of color population broadly. He is attacking directly brown immigrants, and hes attacking black people, and hes doing it in a very cohesive manner, with the backing of the Republican Party. Its very frustrating to watch, because this is 2024. This is not my grandmothers era. This is not the era of the civil rights movement, this is not the era of reconstruction, however, donald trump and his base would like to take us back there because white males dont want to compete for jobs, white males dont want to compete and white males dont want anyone to inch closer to leadership, they dont want anyone to inch closer to having a vote, they dont want women to have the right to choose, at this point, it is trying to take society back to a very scary place because they dont believe in democracy. Donald trump is an autocrat, and he is running on autocracy. He is running on that, and his base and frankly the Republican Party is doing absolutely nothing to stop him. Please stick around, marybelle rivera, thank you much for your time and your insights, greatly appreciate it as always. After this break, how wisconsin voters are taking a stand against the israel hamas war, and President Biden. D presiden. I know what its like to perform through pain. 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More than 48,000 wisconsin voters send biden allowed message of disapproval this week over his handling of the israel hamas war. Protest votes against the president sailed past expectations in this weeks primary. More than doubling the goal of 20,000 socalled uninstructed votes, which represent the margin of bidens 2020 victory in the state. This is not a oneoff, we have been seeing momentum building other Battleground States since the break, when more than 100,000 people voted uncommitted in michigans democratic primary. In tote, more than half 1 million democratic voters across the country are telling President Biden that the assault on gaza needs to end. Joining me to discuss this is a spokesperson for it listen to wisconsin, a Grassroots Group that urged people to vote uninstructed in the democratic primary. Its great to have you with us, thank you for joining us. Listen to wisconsin, your group, more than doubled your goal of 20,000 uninstructed votes. What message do you think this sends to President Biden . I think its a clear warning sign. 48,162 votes, as you mentioned, is over double the amount that the Biden Administration won wisconsin by in 2020. We had very clear demands for this multiracial, multifaith, Multigenerational Coalition that within just over two weeks managed to pull almost 50,000 people to the polls in the cold, rain, sleet, and snow this past tuesday, to say that without an immediate and permanent and unconditional ceasefire, and an end to the war in Gaza Without Serious Steps toward peace by imposing a ceasefire through the end of Military Funding to israel, there may not be a pathway to the white house, or a pathway to victory in november in wisconsin, because for a key margin of voters thi