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Iran attacks. The president reportedly concerned a wider conflict is ahead, and that america could get dragged into it. Also tonight, pretrial tantrums. Donald trump on the attack against key figures in his Hush Money Trial with Jury Selection just hours away. And we put a spotlight on a gop art form known as Judge Shopping that has led to the roll back of your rights and how to stop it. Lets begin. We are continuing to follow this weekends major escalation across the middle east. Iran Launching Hundreds of drones, missiles, towards israel saturday. Which it says is its response to israels deadly bombing of a consulate in syria earlier this month. It is what happens next that we are all watching for and bracing ourselves for. Based on new reporting from nbc news, some top u. S. Officials are worried that israel may in fact respond hastily to irans attacks and provoke a wider regional conflict that the u. S. Could get dragged into. Well dive deeper into that in a moment. But over the past 24 hours weve seen a swift change in narrative, with countries reaffirming support for israel, including u. S. President joe biden. Andrea mitchell reported earlier today that President Biden told netanyahu that while the u. S. Commitment to defend israel is ironclad, it will not participate in any offensive operations against iran and urged him not to retaliate. The un Secretary General had similar messages to todays National Security, the Un Security Council meeting, watch. We have a shared responsibility to work for peace. Regional and indeed global peace and security are being undermined by the hour. Neither the region nor the world can afford more war. Israel, for its part, claims that it thwarted some iranian launched 350 drones, cruise and ballistic missiles, and rockets. Thats up to 99 of them. Lets break all this down, starting with anna schecter. Great to see you. Lets start with the comments from the un Secretary General to the national Security Council. 24 hours ago the image, images if you can say that, coming out of israel were terrifying for the region. Nobody knew what was going to happen. We started getting the reports of the intercepts. Tonight a very different attitude. The question is what will israel do. I know youve spoken to officials. What are the early indications of where the political establishment is headed in israel . Its a great question, and theres a spectrum. There was a Member Tweeting earlier this morning restraint, we can be strategic, we can take our time. There was benny gantz, a member of the war cabinet saying something needs to be done, but we need to look for a coalition in the region, so also restraint. But i think there was also a lot of fear about will netanyahu and the war cabinet do something rash, and there was fear about that. All the israeli officials ive talked to today, nobody wants a regional war right now. But i think theyre thinking something must be done for deterrence. They cant just sit back and not respond at all. So the question remains, you know, what exactly is going to happen. You bring up a good point. Even the iranians as the operation was unfolding before the full impact of it was aware to the world, had signaled from their un office here that this would be the end of the matter as far as they were concerned. That they had concluded their response. But if israel were to respond, they would then feel the need to respond in a more harsh sense. Do you get a sense of what possibilities israel has at its disposal right now as how it could retaliate . Based on what weve seen in the past, what they could do in a situation like this. Well, they have a list of people they want to go after. So one of the things they could do is to just continue going down that list of people they believe were involved in planning the october 7th attack. We dont have that list, but im told its a pretty long list. So thats one way. We saw on april 1st what happened in damascus, and several rigc members, including some senior members, were killed. But we really dont know. And it seems like the israelis are not sharing that with The Americans as much as The Americans would want. Theres a disconnect, and a real misunderstanding of where things are at. I think that breeds frustration between the u. S. Officials and israeli officials. Yeah, so walk us through the that because i think thats an important point. Some u. S. Officials are concerned that if israel retaliates, they may have to come that their defense and could drag america into a direct confrontation with iran and expose american troops to iranians and iranian proxies. Based on your reporting, what are americans generally concerned about with israels response . I think theres a lack of trust on the part of american officials. They feel like all this work to try and get a hostage deal, theyve committed so many resources. Burns has made so many trips to the region, and it just keeps falling apart. Theres the fault of both sides, hamas and israel. But theres this growing frustration, and so i think they, from my colleagues carol, and courtney, and angela, their great reporting in the story you showed today. But the u. S. Officials are saying theres kind of this wild card. Were just not sure that netanyahu doesnt want a wider regional war even though it would be catastrophic for israel. And when you look at the israeli political spectrum, you have a lot of people working in the government that disagree with netanyahu on a lot of things and dont want to escalate. And then you have some wild card people that maybe are rising in the ranks and are just so out in right field, really far right. So its a challenge. You cant really paint the whole political spectrum with one color. I think that breeds some of this misunderstanding on the part of americans. And let me ask you how this impacts what is happening in gaza, both on the hostages side. I understand youve been speaking to Family Members of hostages still held inside gaza. What are they telling you about how last nights attacks and where that conflict between israel and iran is going and how it changes the dynamics to try and secure the release of their loved ones . So much of this is messaging. Overnight i noticed the Netanyahu Administration put out a statement saying hamas had just rejected the latest deal. But that deal has sort of been in the works. And i think what the Netanyahu Administration is doing is trying to put the focus on blame on hamas at this point. The hostage families, i mean they were, the ones who are freed, who are released, and the Family Members whose loved ones are in gaza right now, they were sort of cowering and worried that some of these missiles would actually hit. But in the statements i got and conversations i had, theyre just thinking of their loved ones in gaza now 190 days. They keep saying if hamas could just release the hostages. Like just release them. And looking at the global community, do everything to get those hostages out. That is 100 their goal, and they really want that message to be part of the conversation right now. Yeah, and of course The Americans saying the best way to do that is with a ceasefire, and of course right now theres to commitment from the israelis for an immediate ceasefire until the hostages are released. Anna, thank you so much for your reporting. Well talk to you in a bit as well. Up next we have the president of j street. Its great to have you on the show. Jeremy, we mentioned the biden officials and white house officials are worried this evening that an israeli response to irans attack might trigger a wider war. Its based on what theyve seen in the past when israel carried out this attack against the iranian consulate in damascus. The americans didnt have a heads up about it until the war planes were up in the skies over syria. How concerned are you that Something Like that could repeat itself, or is this different because an attack directly on iran would undoubtedly require americans perhaps preapproval. I think we should all be extremely grateful for the clear messaging coming from President Biden and the white house right now. The most important thing that needs to happen here is deescalation and ensuring this doesnt spiral out of control. That would be not good for the United States and its interests, it wouldnt be good for the security of israel, and it wouldnt be good for any of the parties in the region. So we are all, i think, very, very deeply concerned by this government of israel and some of the decisions that it has made over the course of the past six months, and the strong messaging from President Biden saying dont do this is exceedingly important. Is the message loud enough, is it clear enough when you do not condition consequences on israeli behavior . The simple words have been ignored so far, so why would this be any different . Because if you follow up on just some of the comments weve been hearing from several of the israeli prime ministers ruling coalition, who are calling for israel to respond. The National Security minister literally calling for a crushing attack today against iran. It puts The Americans in a difficult position, right . It puts them in a situation where they cant just say words. There has to be consequences. We havent seen that yet. Well, this isnt just consequences. Its whether or not the United States will be there to back israel up. The questions related to gaza aid and to the use of our equipment and arms in gaza and on the west bank and what the consequences should be for misusing them is a different order than if israel were to ignore the entreaties and clear line from this administration and go ahead and do something. Would the United States be there for israel in the way that it was last night . Lets not forget, it wasnt simply the israeli air defenses that held up last night. There was a coalition that involved jordan and the u. K. And france and the United States. They were all engaged. Israel cannot afford to risk losing that International Protection and that umbrella. Thats not just a consequence, that is a factor that israels going to have to take into account in whether or not it moves forward with something unwise and unstrategic. You want your thoughts about whats happened at the United Nations for a moment. The United Nations Security Council, russia saying its a double standard condemning israel but did nothing when they asked to meet after the strike earlier this month. Is this a fair criticism of how the United Nations and International Community have been operating . That youd need some kind of tougher International Reactions to israeli behavior when it violates another countrys sovereignty whether its syria or lebanon for the criticism against iran to be meaningful. Well, its a bit rich when its russia standing up and saying that. Right, but again it highlights the kind of hypocrisy on all these countries. Russia whos occupying and attacking ukraine, also saying for national Law And Order to be upheld in the case of iran. Right. But to all of these situations there is no military solution. Thats one of the things that i think sometimes gets lost. That at the end of the day, if israelis and palestinians are going to ever find a way out of their conflict, theres only a political resolution. If iran is going to be held in check, then there has to be a diplomatic front that stands up against it. The Iran Nuclear Agreement was the right approach to containing Irans Nuclear program. That was the correct way to keep the program in a box when donald trump and the more hawkish side of American Foreign policy establishment took over control in 2017 and then tanked the Iran Nuclear Agreement. What happened . Irans Nuclear Program races towards having a nuclear weapon. So the only way out of all of these crises is through a diplomatic path and not a military solution. Let me ask you about something you know very well, and thats the dynamic that unfolds on capitol hill as a result of this with various aspects of proisrael lobbies and organizations that come to its defense. Weve seen unanimous condemnation of the iran attack among both republicans and democrats in the last 24 hours. But how does it complicate your efforts and what j street tries to do. On one hand come to israels defense, but at the same time chart a different course for how israel is behaving under the current Netanyahu Administration . Well, the Republican Party never fails to miss an opportunity to turn these situations into a political wedge. They refer that these issues be political footballs rather than serious policy issues. There is a bill that is in front of the House Of Representatives that would provide aid not only to israel, but to ukraine and provide humanitarian assistance to the palestinians. Its simply waiting for the republicans to bring it to the floor. If the republicans want to do something positive this week to actually help israel and palestinians and the war effort in ukraine, then it simply has to bring that bill to the floor and not introduce some new legislation that they design not to actually become american policy, but simply create a political fissure in the democratic party, and thats not helpful. Thats a tall order if youre expecting the republicans to actually do something other than just words at this point. Not just on this issue, but as weve seen time and time again on many issues. Ukraine and domestic policy. Jeremy benami, thank you for your time. Greatly appreciate it. Next up, the other big story that will dominate this week. Jury selection begins in the historic trial of Donald Trumps hush money criminal trial. And you know i didnt. It makes my running shoe look like new its amazing. Its so good. It makes it look like i have magical powers. Magic eraser and sheets make cleaning look easy. 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