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Trial of donald trump. Lets do it. Tensions are high in the middle east as the world waits on israels next moves in the aftermath of irans retaliation attack. Israels united envoy issued a stark warning earlier. We are not a frog in boiling water. We are a nation of lions. The entire world let alone israel can not set foreign action. We will defend our future. This comes as President Biden is cautioning israel not to retaliation against iran. Nbc news chief Foreign Affairs respond ant said biden told Benjamin Netanyahu that the u. S. Will not participate in offensive military actions against iran. With top officials subsequently telling nbc news that biden has privately expressed concern that Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to Drag Washington into a brooder conflict. Israel has been facing widespread and growing criticism over the military approach to gaza. And the latest escalation raising major excoalitions how it will proceed for a ceasefire from World Leaders around the glob. The Military Spokesperson said that the operation in gaza will continue and hamas will ignite the middle east. As the foreign minister put it, it is to end the aggression so the world will refocus on gaza. The senior producer and special projects at nbc news. Great to have you back with us. From your reporting, what options might be presented by the Israeli Military as he and other in the Coalition Contemplacement discuss. They will not stand for this aggression. So, a series of plans are going to be presented ranging between small to larger push back and firing back at iran for what happened on saturday night. But, israeli officials that i talked to, they would not go into any spectacular details. My reporting from over the last six months indicates there say long list of people of individuals that israel thinks might of had something to do with the planning of october 7th and they want to go one by one and take out those people. Be they in the region, in the middle east, in lebanon, syria. And so that is potentially from what i can glean a tactic they might take. So, in the next few days i will continue this reporting and we will see what kinds of plans. Here is the thing. If israel wants to have a surprise attack. Even by them coming out after this lengthy war Cabinet Meeting and now saying the idf is going to present the plans, it has been strange to watch as how they sort of broadcasted to the world what they are going to do and things seemed haphazard. It brought frustration, trying to figure out, guys, do you have a strategy . What are you going to do, tensions growing between biden and the nfc and the israeli counterparts in israel. For americas part in this, the world that we heard today from robert was the deputy u. S. Representative to the United Nation is accountability. The u. S. Is calling on israel not to retaliate and support any offensive war. They want to see the world hold accountable. Do you have anything that looks like that perspect . We can not do just about nothing. Bide enwas saying just take the win. The defense and that amazing, the fact that few casualties in the face of this, the defense worked pretty well. Guys take the win. I would say across the political spectrum we can not just do nothing we have to do something. And officially the americans are growing. There has to be some kind of growing, agreeing. They have to make that strong stance. We know watching Benjamin Netanyahu, that is his whole mo. This appearing strong. Regardless of the diplomatic stakes. Domestically in terms of American Politics we know the president has made calls to congressional leaders to try to get aid delivered both to ukraine and israel. Do we have any idea how lost nights attack by iran advances certainly the aid bill that israel is seeking in this administration was . Reporter biden is hoping that what happened is actually going to push some of the trump republicans to actually vote for this bill that would open up this aid that people who really studied the region are saying this is crazy. It has been held up for so many weeks the region is desperate. Look at ukraine. Look at gaza. The israel gaza conflict on both sides. You have people arguing, israel needs support. People are suffering. Aid needs to get in there. But i would say the same thing. Ukraine has been dire straits and it is mind boggling to a lot of people who are watching this that bill has gotten, that, or that, that initiative to get the funds to the region has been held up so long. Always a pressure. Thank you for your explent reporting. Take care excellent reporting. That i can care. Now, ben, political advisory, ben good to have you with us. They are worry about what an israeli response might be. Some far right in the government are calling for a harsh response. In their Cabinet Meeting officials are saying they are still dealing with their proxies in the region. Still in the middle of the war and response has to be even crazier than what we have seen before. What have you anticipate coming out of israel in the next 24 48 hours . Well, i think the key question here is if the israeli response is to launch an attack inside ever i iranian territory. We seen many killed in the guard core. It was an attack on a sovereign piece of iranian territory, a diplomatic facility. This then, the attack in iran and israeli. So, suddenly, what had been a proxy war in the different parts of the region. Direct exchange of fire. Now, if they attack iran, they could strike back. What they did not do this last time around. Perhaps mobilizing all of the hezbollah rockets or cruise and Ballistic Missiles over the drones that are easier to shoot down here. And also iranian missles shot down. That is one way to go. That is the thing that biden does not want to see happen. The other is iranian proxies, lebanon, syria, iraq or something that is not visible, cyberattack against iran that would be more like where things were in this proxy a couple weeks ago. That is the choice before Benjamin Netanyahu and the coalition. Can israel carry out from what you have seen then the attack against iran without the United States . It is one thing in syria and remain ambiguous and does not draw a response. If israel were to generally attack iran directly can it did so without the United States, the day of or the day after . Certainly that capability. Preferring that they helped facilitate it. Helping iran directly. They have not yet done so. They have done some things in cyberspace. I think the concern that the United States has is if israel has that and iran responds in kind that the likelihood of the United States getting drawn in the conflict goes up. That is the first concern and the danger to u. S. Personnel and members in the region and global disruption. Do they shift through the straights, what happens to Iranian Energy sources that are part of, you know, what impacts global oil prices. All sorts of ways it could go. Does there become an all out war in lebanon . These are the things that the u. S. Has been trying to avoid since the 7th. That i am sure that isip forming all of it. What do you make of the jordanian response . To undertake the defense of israel perhaps the defense of his own airspace under the guise of sovereingnty benefited israel. What do you make of this and his criticism . Many really gone after him and put him in a difficult situation where he does not have a lot of support right now on the ground among many of his, i guess, Fellow Countryman if you will . Reporter this entire conflict puts them in a situation. Most of all in jordan. An enormous palestinian population. While those arab leaders, there is no love for iran there. Right. They are aligned against iran. And the other end, their own people are sympathetic to the palestinians and what is happening in gaza and really engaged at the Israeli Military operations. Again, it creates pressure around the leader who is caught between the Security Requirements and the relationship with u. S. And israel and has to make decisions on shooting down the iranian bombardment of israel and his own people. Feeling like he is not doing enough to fuel the relationship to bring an end to the relationship in gaza. Yet, another escalation, the longer the war in gaza goes on the more there are all of these different ways unpredictable things can happen. One of the things that they are watching, of course, Domestic Political Situation Instability for a leader. Do you think it say mistake that they have been finding themselves isolated after six months after what some said was a disastrous war in gaza and not destroying hamas. Then you finally have american policies and aid to israel . That now in the past 24 hours, that narrative has changed with American Politics rushing to israels defense. The u. S. , even, even jordan now to some extent coming to its defense. That has changed and it is a failure by iran . Reporter yeah, i mean this, this kind of logic that you have to do something is a problem. And, look, the reality is, the situation in gaza is the same today as it was a week ago. In fact the likelihood of a Ceasefire Deal it is further aware. Israel equates hamas and iran directly. Tensions are up. So, the losers as always in the circumstance are the people of gaza. The Palestinian People in gaza. I guess iran can show it is not afraid to take a shot at israel. I just dont see the logic that you have to respond everywhere in the region. That is part of what we are dealing with and hopefully that cycle can be broken. It has been steady. 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The former Heads Of State do face Criminal Conviction it is not a novel idea t. Is supposed to happen in democracies, over the years you have france, brazillia, south korea that have seen their former leaders face prosecution for their alleged crimes. But this is the first time that an american president ever stood trial in a criminal case. Trump reportedly tried to put the brakes on this trial. In just the past week alone. Trying and failing four separate times to delay the start of it. Come monday, he will finally be forced to face the music. The disgraced expresident , con constantly complaining on his truth media. Now, the tolerance of his tie raids is perhaps the most glaring sign of the judicial systems trump exceptionalism. But it is far from the only example large and small in cases trump has been given more freedom and privileges than any other defendant in his shoes. Joining me now, Washington Bureau chief and msnbc political analyst. Great to have both of you with us. David, i will start with something that you wrote. You know, while the trial does not address the criminality or alleged criminality and the threat to democracy you write the trial carries powerful symbolism for all of trumps cases. This one reminds the nation he emerges from a sleazy sewer that plended trashy blended it do you think it will change how America Views donald trump . No. It will not fundamentally change anything. Peoples views in favor of him or opposed to him are set in stone. A slim portion of the country that might be moved in one way or another. It reaffirms the donald trump that became a politician. I have to say, i dont mean to, when i wrote that piece i did not mean to dismiss the legal issue at stake here. This is an election interference case. He paid the hush money and recorded it falsely in order to cover up an illegal inkind contribution. How do we know it is illegal . Because Michael Cohen went to jail for this. There is already a crime here established by a federal prosecution. I think, though, there will be something, i dont know if shocking is the right word, but something that may be unsettling. It will be new in the list of trump outrages to see him go, we will not see it from inside but it will go to the courtroom for a criminal trial in which sitting there for weeks on end. Came and go as he pleased and the Witness Testimony that comes out, it will not be about numbers about the size of an apartment it will be about having an affair with a porn star while his wife just given birth to their son. It will be how he hushed it up, it will be about the involvement about the National Inquirer and how he had an alliance with sleazy tabloid to cover up not just this but other aspects of his personal life. He did not want voters to know about. So, it gets to the core of the type of politician and celebrity he is and in some ways it is a bit of a trump origin story. To that point, how does the trial and the prosecution has to establish that a, a crime has committed. And Michael Cohen and what he was found guilty of. How do you expect the circus to be tomorrow and opening from the prosecution to look like . There will be a circus. In this system trump is treated as we explain to a different standard then everybody else. If it was and other person trump would be wheeled into the courthouse on the Hannibal Lector gurney f. It were me, we would be in jail already. All of us regular human beings would be in jail. Trump is not in jail. He will walk in, give a statement, something before he talks and goes in the courtroom and he will go into a black hole for a couple hours and then he will come out. Before any of the reports have come out, of what actually happened at the trial trump will spin it into whatever Political Campaign thing he wants to spin. Sit right there on the Courthouse Steps and lie, lie about what happened. Lie about stormy daniels, lie about Michael Cohen, lie about the judge, lie about the judges family and prosecutors and nothing is going to happen to him. It will happen to all of us for six weeks. In terms of the law here, it is pretty simple. You dont have to do much. As david explains, we already know for the most part, for the most part, that he had sex with stormy daniels. We already know that he lied about it. We already know he paid her money to make sure she kept quiet about it. We already pretty much know he took the money illegally from his Campaign Funds without telling anybody. All o

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