Transcripts For MSNBCW Andrea Mitchell Reports 20200505 : co

Transcripts For MSNBCW Andrea Mitchell Reports 20200505

Why . Because its a swing state. And were in an election year. I get it. Florida gets 30 billion more every year than it puts in. What are you talking about, fairness, equity, bailout . You look at where weve been over the past five years, we paid in 116 billion more than we gave back. You want to be fair, just give new york back the money you took, and it would be 116 billion. Who gives and who takes . We know those facts and we know the numbers. But, look, this whole discussion that senator mcconnell is raising, that some senators are raising, this is counterproductive, and it will lead to defeat for all of us. You need a bipartisan bill to pass. You go down this path of partisanship and politics, you will never pass a bill. If you never pass legislation, you will never get this economy back on its feet. So you go down this path of division, you will defeat all of us because were all in the same boat. There is no separating us. Still the United States of america. And this partisanship, we have to turn the page. I know its how washington operates. I know its how washington has been operating for many years. But we have to stop, and we have to change, and you do need a totally different mindset. It cant be its you versus me. It has to be we, right . We the people. If you dont get back to we and you think about a collective interest, youre going to defeat us all. Because it cant happen. And you have to get out of this democrat or republican, red or blue. Its not red or blue. Its red, white and blue. This virus doesnt take democratso democrats or republicans. It doesnt kill democrats or republicans. It kills americans. The virus is less scrutinizing and more of an equalizer than the lens were viewing the virus through. And if we cant get past this now, when can we ever get past it . You have a national crisis. You have a national outbreak, a National Epidemic killing thousands of people. You cant put your politics aside even now . Even today . Families have fight. Yes, families have fights. Somebody is going to die and the family is still going to Carry Forward these silly fights from years ago . Nobody remembers how this ever started . If theres ever a time to come together, it is in a moment of crisis. And this is a moment of crisis. And we always understood, and the great ones always told us, that it wont work this way. A house divided against itself cannot stand. If you want to be a leader, you want to go dine in the history books as someone who stood up and did the right thing, well then remember what made us great in the first place, and thats what a great leader would do. Also, last point, each of us must do our part. Talking about government, government, government. Yeah, government has a lot to do. I understand that fully. Citizens also have a role to play. You know whos going to keep yourself safe . Youre going to keep yourself safe. You know who will keep your family safe . You will keep your family safe. You know who will keels each oth keep each other safe . Each of us have a responsibility. Just wear a mask. Its the smart thing to do and always the right thing to do. In all of this complexity, theres still a right thing. You still know whats the right thing to do and wrong thing to do. Maybe right thing is a new york expression. I dont think think so. You know what the right thing to do is. Nobody needs to tell what you the right thing to do is. Wear a mask. Its not about you. Its about my health. You wear a mask to protect me. I wear a mask to protect you. And wearing a mask is not the greatest intrusion. I dont understand why people think its such a burden to wear a mask and, look, 99 of the people do it. Its the 1 of the people who dont do it, right, thats who were talking about. We were talking about this last night and i was expressing my frustration has to why some people just dont get it. What this has been about from day one, this whole exercise, and when i started this on day one, all of these things that weve done, nobody is doing these things because government told them do it. The first governor in the history of the state of new york to say were closing businesses to say you must be quarantined. No governor has ever said that. How do i enforce that . I cant. I k how do you enforce making 19 Million People stay at home . I cant. I cant. I said from day one, i can give the facts to new yorkers but then new yorkers have to decide and agree that it makes sense given the facts and agree to do it. New yorkers have agreed to do it. All of these things. Closing schools, closing businesses, staying home, socially distancing. So now wear a mask. I was saying last night, i dont really understand why this wear a mask is so hard. Mariah suggested it may be the way im communicating it. Im just not effectively communicating. Dont laugh. First of all, this is a common refrain in my house from my daughters, that its me and my lack of ability to communicate effectively. Thats a fair statement. Im guilty. I have no doubt. I am guilty. I am a bad communicator and i havent been communicating the rational for wearing a mask effectively. So im open minded. I understand my weaknesses and my flaws. Im a work in progress. Were all a work in progress. Im trying to get better. So mariahs suggestion was, look, why dont we ask new yorkers to produce and ad that the state could run on explaining to new yorkers why they should wear a mask. And the context and the rational and the Health Reasons and the social responsibility and its not that big a deal, maybe theres a better way to communicate it than i have been communicating it. Again, 99 of the people are doing it, and thats great. Were talking about that 1 . So maybe i just havent been persuasive or effective enough in my communication skills. So i said to mariah, great idea, well ask new yorkers, produce an ad, 30second ad. They submit it. Mariahs going to be an unofficial adviser with the department of health. Pick the five best, put them online, let new yorkers pick the best ad, state will run that ad. It will say on the bottom, produced by whoever won the competition. They will get a lot of acclaim. They will go on to be a big creative experts and maybe well have an ad that communicates this better than i have been able to communicate it to date. So im excited about that. And mariah is going to help on that and take it on as a project and im excited about that. At no cost to the people of the state of new york, she will be a volunteer. The boyfriend can try to put in, he can submit a possible ad for consideration. The boyfriend will lose, but he can submit an ad. Because im still governor. And thats what were going to do. Mariah, do you want to add anything, or did i explain it clearly in my flawed communication modality . I think you covered it. Well be providing more information in the next few days. But if you are interested, you can go to wearamask. Ng. Gov. Did i miss anything . No, thats perfect. See r, sometimes i communica correctly. But youre not alone in criticizing my communication skills and many in this room agree with you. Were new york tough. Governor, it looks like theres new reporting on Nursing Homes that increases the numbers by 1,700 total deaths. Is that in the official tally . Is that in a different category . How is that tallied out . I will ask melissa to explain this because i dont know the details, frankly. You have two categories, confirmed deaths and then probable or presumed deaths. And they list numbers in both categories. Some people combine the two. Confirmed deaths and presumed deaths and have one number. Some people keep them separate. Then theyre often reported separately or theyre reported together. But that has been going on for a while. But, jim, is that accurate . Thats accurate, governor. We reported in the past, we asked the Nursing Homes to provide updated information. They originally provided about 3,100 total deaths. The confirmed deaths of those were actually 2,100. That gets added to the official count. We are counting both presumed and confirmed but the confirmed deaths are the ones were running in the official tally. Other localities are submitting unconfirmed deaths. But we want to confirm them as much as we k but now were putting out the category as you can see because some were reporting both together and it was difficult to tease out. So we asked them to report clearly that line of both confirmed and presumed. Specifically, isabella geriatric center, someone we drew attention to this week, they said 98 deaths but the official reporting is less than that, somewhere in the 60s. Does it not include hospitals . If someone goes to the facility to the hospital, is it counted differently . Those are reported in the hospitalization deaths. Isabella, its 31 presumably deaths and it will need to be confirmed one way or another. But we asked those facilities to update, which they have. Just to be clear, i would take all of these numbers now with a grain of salt. The confirmed deaths, you know what that means. What does a presumed death mean . How do you presume it to be coronavirus . Also, the athome deaths, nonhospital, nonnursing home deaths, just athome deaths,p when do you actually get all of the numbers on those and how do you confirm all of those deaths as attributed to coronavirus . So i would just have a caveat with all of these. I think theyre going to change over time. Governor, when you look at the nursing home deaths, why werent steps taken earlier to protect such a vulnerable operation . As you look back now and knowing this virus is going to be around for a while, are there things, mechanisms that can be done differently so when people are sick in the Nursing Homes, they can go to the hospital and stay in the hospital . Well, the go in the hospital and stay in the hospital, first, basic point is right, the Nursing Homes, we said from day one, are the most vulnerable place. Because its old people, senior people who are the vulnerable population in a congregate setting. Thats how we this nation was introduced to the virus with the seattle nursing home, right . So and it was true around the world also. What can you do better Going Forward . I dont know. Its something were studying. Were also doing an investigation with the attorney general to look at it. We did some very harsh things here that, frankly, i wasnt even comfortable with. But the Health Experts insists, no visitors to a nursing home for two months, no visitors. How do you do that . Because all it takes is one person to walk in, test the staff, ppe. We do everything we can. But if theres anything we can learn from this, we will and we will do. You have people who would get sick at a nursing home, sometimes they were transported to the hospital. Thats up to the experts in the nursing home if thats helpful. If theyre in the hospital, we also need hospital beds, right . Its not like we can turn hospitals into Nursing Homes. Once a person is better, the person has to go somewhere. They dont have to go back to the nursing home, by the way. The way the nursing home operates, they make a determination if they can provide the best care for the person. If the nursing home says, i cant provide care for this person, then the nursing home must transfer the resident or call the department of health and say this person should be referred somewhere else. I cant take care of this person. We have covidonly facility thats can take people from Nursing Homes. The nursing home has to make the decision. So if the hospital calls and says, i want to send back a person who had covid but is now better to the nursing home, if the nursing home doesnt think they have take them, they shouldnt. At all have to do is say no and tell the department of health and that person will go somewhere else. It really comes down to that nursing home has to know what its limits are, who can provide care for and who cant provide care for and we have alternatives but we have to get it from that nursing home first. Melissa, do you have anything to add on that . No, actually, jim, do you want to speak to that . I think the governor said it, we have aggressive measures. No visitors from the outside. Good day, im Andrea Mitchell in washington, continuing our coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. Youve been listening to new York Governor Andrew Cuomo give his daily press conference. Today the governor brought one of his daughters, mariah, to launch an online project that she believes will improve on which she thinks is her fathers failure to persuade new yorkers to wear masks. Here are the other facts at this hour. President trump is on air force one. His first trip in a month heading to arizona to tour a honeywell plant producing n95 masks and downplaying new scientist models indicating the easing of restrictions and social distancing could lead to a major resurgence in covid19 cases and deaths across the nation. As the president pushes to reopen the country, a major new poll finds americans widely oppose reopening most businesses and fear infection, believing that the worst is not over. Chinas state television is calling secretary mike pompeo insane for saying theres enormous evidence the coronavirus originated in a wuhan lab. As dr. Fauci is telling the National Geographic, it could not have been manually manipulated. Joining us now, the chief of the global initiatives of at the university of pennsylvania and dr. Gupta from the u. S. Department of metric sciences. The president is pushing back on a number of models that are projecting a much higher death rate and infection rate. He just said today its because theyre not taking into consideration the mitigation. Let me play a little bit of what he said as hes leaving the white house lawn. Its a report, and thats a report with no mitigation. So based on no mitigation, there are were doing a lot of mitigation. But there will be social distancing and washing their hands and doing the things youre supposed to do. Dr. Emmanuel, weve seen a number of different projections now, university hospital, hopkins projection, that was apparently a work in progress. Where do you stand on this . Dr. Fauci and others say they are concerned the reopening in many parts of the country is too soon without having first achieved those gateways or guidelines. Well, lets make three points. The first is that, you know, weeks ago now, it even seems like years, dr. Fauci and debbie birx had said, you know, between 100,000 to 250,000 cases of coronavirus, thats what they were worried about. We have had the physical distancing, the other Public Health measures, the abandoning of large gatherings. Theyve made a difference. But we should note that were not getting a big decline in our death rate or new cases. We are seeing a plateau and a slow decline, which suggests that theres more that needs to be done in general. We would have expected a steeper decline if people were adhering to that. The second point i would make is that as of last week, everyone was talking about a low number of deaths. Four weeks ago midmarch, researchers at stanford were talking about 40,000 deaths. As of friday, ihne had 72,000 deaths on its projected website by august 4th. We were at 65,000 friday. Thats clearly a mistake and the model isnt accurate. And now theyre up at 135,000 roughly by august 4th. I think were going i predicted on friday were going to have about north of 120,000 deaths by august. And that also suggests that were likely to have maybe 250,000 deaths before the end of the year. And that is a huge number. Thats a sort of 10 increase in the total number of deaths in the country. And it is the case that the actions by georgia, the actions by texas, opening up Public Places rapidly without even having a decline in the total number of cases and hospitalizations is very premature and not not helping. The american public, obviously, is fearful and not following Governor Kemp and Governor Abbott and those people. Youve seen very low Economic Activity. That actually creates, andrea, the worst of both worlds. You have Public Health measures that are less effective because states have opened up and you have die crease in economecreas activity that is not rebounding because people are fearful they need to stay away. So we need to have good Public Health measures and get good Economic Activity in a very orderly manner. By sending out these contradictory messages, were not seeing the positive effects. Let me just conclude the best thing we can probably do now, and should be a top priority, not higher than vaccines and not higher than testing is protecting the vulnerable populations, especially the elderly. They should be very, very cautious about going out. Nursing homes, assisted living homes, Nursing Homes are peak places, i have been saying this months now. We have to be much more vigorous about that. That will allow us to open up the rest of the population a little more. And i think thats a balancing act and important to communicate that and to get that right. Let me ask dr. Gupta about the models from the university of washington, which was the goto model that the white house, dr. Birx and others were pointing to day after day at the briefings now suddenly in the last day or so, its disappeared from the official website. The official cdc website. What is going on there . Yeah, andrea, thank you for the question and for having me. Hard to know. I dont have an inroad to the cdc coms division and its disappointing to see that was the case. As dr. Emanuel beautifully laid out, the ihme model has taken into account the realities of the lack of rigorous social distancing like has been adopted in wuhan, in italy, in other countries where it was homogenous one approach. Here we have a patch work approach across states. We can no longer assume those things as ihme are building into the model. Youre seeing suspected deaths double by the end of august. And that range, that estimate is fluid because the model is only as good as the input data thats going into it, number one. And the number two, what are the assumptions around it . Youre seeing that while its estimating 135,000 deaths, that range is anywhere from 95,000 to 240,000 deaths by the beginning of august. Obviously, lots of uncertainty. Thats what happens with any statistical forecast. Its an estimate. Its a best guess using the best methods available. Having said that, its the uncertainty because who knows what we

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