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MSNBCW Andrea Mitchell Reports October 3, 2018

Vote is on confirmation. The president s comments were just plain wrong. It is just not right. I wish he had not done it. I just i will say it is kind of appalling. And follow the money. The New York Times explosive investigation shattering the myth of donald trump selfmade billionaire businessman. In the building right now is inkredable that we have it, and that is understanding a huge transfer of wealth that happen and gave us so much more information to be able to understand the tax games that were played. Good day, everyone. Im Andrea Mitchell in washington and where in a dramatic change of tone from last week, President Trump mocking Brett Kavanaughs accuser at a raucous rally. What he is going through 36 years ago this happened. I had one beer, right. I had one beer. Well, you think that nope, one beer. Oh, good. How did you get home . I dont remember. How did you get there . I dont remember. How many years ago . I dont know. I dont know. I dont know. I dont know. What neighborhood was it in . I dont know. Wheres the house . I dont know. Upstairs, downstairs, where where was it . I dont know, but i had one beer, and this is the only thing they are remember. All of this even as the democrats are challenging multiple reports that the fbi will complete the are reopened background check as early as today. A and jeff flake, the republican whose objections triggered the fbi probe signalled that he would not consider kavanaughs belligerent behavior at the hearing or his youthful drinking to be irrelevant or disqualifying. Joining us is kristen welker, and ruth marcus Editorial Page Editor at the washington post, and jeff rosenberg, former u. S. Attorney and former fbi official. Kristen to, you, this dramatic change since only a week ago when the president was saying that dr. Ford was credible, and seemed to be a fine woman. And he is unleashing and unloading on her last night on the rally. It was striking, andrea, to hear his dramatic shiftt in tone. You are absolutely right. And we have been talking to officials here about what exactly drove the shift. Kellyanne conway said any major shift, but other folks are saying that privately President Trump trying to expose some of what he perceives discrepancies and then the things that have come out in the wake of the dr. Fords testimony including the fact that the prosecutor Rachel Mitchell in a letter to republicans on the Senate Judicial committee and pib pi them to do this said she would not be bringing charges in the case. That is one of the things that is fueling the president s tirade last night, and andrea, of it, and you tick have to takt into consideration. And trump told alexander on the White House South Lawn that they are so in favor of judge kavanaugh, it is like a rallying cry for republicans. So undoubtedly he is seeing some type of the political calculation to this as well, andrea. And speaking of the rallying cries, Lindsey Grahams comments last week at that hearing was a rallying cry and until jeff flake intervened for republicans and he was interviewed by Jeff Goldblum our colleague over at atlantic festival. And the crowd got raucous there, too he went through the rendition they did not particularly like, and i would tell him to knock it off and it can be worse, and it is that we have okay. Fine, fine. Whether you like it or not i dont care. This is the point, i have seen what happened to the women in 1998 that came forward and im the first person to say that i want to hear from dr. Ford. I thought that she was handled respectfully. I thought that kavanaugh was treated like crap. Yeah. Well, boo yourself. Ruth marcus, in 1998 he was talking and i was not at that conference because i was working on the program here, but i think that he is obviously talking about bill clinton and the accusers and the Monica Lewinski can and the other women, Juanita Broderick who accused bill clinton of sexual misconduct. We thought that we were in a place of few short weeks ago where the women were going to be treated differently than they were in 1998 than they were back when we cover you and i covered anita hill and clarence thomas. What the president did last night was just sickening. Maybe we should only be surprised that it took him so long to do it, and he was able to follow the script of treating her with some respect for so long. But it was sickening and maybe it is smart for him politically in the midterms to the rally his base, but he has a short term objective which is not an audience of million, but an audience of three or four senators, and they dont seem to have dealt with it, appreciated the way he approached it, and we will see if it makes any difference to them. And jeff flake along with chris kuns was on the today show, and we want toed to play hum, because he and Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski are the three critical votes as Mitch Mcconnell made it clear that they are rushing ahead with a vote this week. We have seen a record that he has had on the court of collegiality and working with other members. So i think that you have to give some leeway. There are people coming forward suggesting that he did do more serious drinking than he communicated to the committee. If that were the case, would you consider that to be a situation where he had not been truthful with the committee . Well, that is obviously difficult to judge what constitutes drinking in excess and i am not quite sure how to judge that especially for this mormon, that is a tough one for me. Casey hunt is joining us from capitol hill where you are interviewing a number of people and i was struck by interpreting jeff flake today. He was not saying that the lack of ocollegiality and the blej yent behavior and the demeanor of the way he was to senators is not disqualifying and nor the evidence over the excessive d n drinking and high school and college, and at the same time, he is not happy about the way that the president disparaged dr. Ford last night. That is absolutely right, andrea, and what you are seeing is a reflection of how senator flake has felt throughout the process which is that he is very torn and feels extraordinary conflicted. And you have been able to read it on his face in the hallways here over the course of the past week. You know, we saw it the night before that Judiciary Committee drama unfold and ultimately resulted in this new investigation and postponing the vote. Jeff flake has never made a secret of his disdain quite frankly for President Trump, but the are reality is that there are also other factors at play here, and you know, you have heard him acknowledge if he were running for reelection this would not be from a political perspective, yes on ka kavanaugh, because it would be political suicide to vote no. So he is under crit is schism from the democrats criticism for the democrats who laud him for objecting to what the president says, but that he doesnt have anything to do about it, and now he has something to do it and the critics of kavanaugh view it. You can see the conflict playing out in public. I do think that the fundamentals reality remains the same which is that senators murkowski and collins are likely are ready to vote yes on kavanaugh if this fbi investigation does not uncover anything new, andrea. And to the fbi investigation chuck rosenberg, you have so much deep experience in the fbi, and in the background checks in your previous career. More than 40 people with potential information on judge kavanaugh according to nbc news have not been contacted by the fbi. It seems as though they have been limited to looking for corroborating evidence about dr. Ford and perhaps debbie ramirezs allegations, but not the other stuff of whether he lied about the drinking or whether he lied about whether he is Bart Okavanaugh and having signed a letter to his friends back then about a beach are reunion, and the judicial demeanor or the lack of demeanor does not seem to be of relevance to the fbi certainly or the committee members. I am not sure that it is not of relevance to the fbi, because there is a big difference, andrea, between what the fbi can do and what they are permitted to do. So if they were permitted to do whatever investigation they thought was warranted, they were permitted to follow all of the logical leads, and i dont know if they would talk to 40 people or 140 people, but i know that at least we could be confident that they were doing what they thought needed to be done, but that is not what is going on here. What is going on here . What is going on here, because this is a Background Investigation and not a criminal investigation, is the white house, the client agency, sort of dictates the terms, the scope, the breadth of the investigation. The fbi is limited to what the client, the white house wants. And so, that is putting the fbi in a remarkably unfair box, because it will be criticized for not doing enough when it cant do all it wants to do. And according to ken dilanian backing what you have said, he has reported according to a number of sources to him that in fact the fbi has expanded this investigation as we were reporting to two more witnesses, two more witnesses, and that is all, and not to a significant number and not looking at all of the issues of the drinking, and of the letter and of other people from yale now writing the letters saying they had previously supporting him, and now they are not. This is my educated guess about the expansion that the fbi has to go back to the white House Counsel and the white house and the client and say there are two more people that we want to speak with and may we . That is not how you do the criminal and so i imagine, andrea, they wont talk to many more people if they want it done today or by the end of the week. The work is being very carefully dictate and circumscribed by the white house. And by the way, this is not what the president wanted, and promised us and it is not just bad for the fbi, but bad for the court and bad for country to have people think however this turns out that a full investigation was not done. And even yesterday, the marine helicopter to take marine one out and to, you know, take his trip to mississippi, the president talking about how boys are now in jeopardy. Do we that tape . Id like to play that . It is a scary time for young men in america when you can be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of. This is a very, very and this is a very difficult time. Whats happening here has much more to do than even the appointment of a Supreme Court justice. It really does the. You can be somebody perfect your entire life and somebody could accuse you of something. And this is going back to what he said at the News Conference in new york last week, and he is empathizing as what he says is the falsely accused victim except in his case, we know that they were not false accusation, and acknowledged and he had do not disclose at least some of them. And so he is the most imperfect messenger of the most imperfect message. And the most imperfect messenger for the reasons that you just said. And he has had credible allegations of Sexual Harassment and Sexual Activity against him, and he has, the empathy is in one direction and empathy is only towards the accused perpetrator and never towards the victim. And kasie hunt, before you go, and i know that you have a ton of things to do, and Mitch Mcconnell cans vote that therea motion to proceed and just the first floor and not the final confirmation vote . Right. Sop yrp, the so andrea, ther Senate Procedures here that are challengi challenging, so i will try to walk the viewers through and i know that you are familiar. But initially, and it is kind of setting up to be the critical vote on kavanaugh is what is known as the cloture vote which is used to be the one that took 60 vote, but now because of the change of the rules pushed through by the democrats and the circuit judges and now by republican republicans on the Supreme Court nominees that is the vote set up friday. If the democrats demanded to follow the rules to the letter, it another 30 hours or day and a half and change to have a final vote on kavanaugh, and so we are waiting for the timing to play out. We anticipate it could go into the weekend and potentially agree to make changes if everyone is on board for it, but we are settling in for a long week here on the hill. Kasie hunt still at it, and of course, kristen welker, and our panel. 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I started ut in brooklyn and my father gave me a small loan of 1 million and i came into manhattan and i had to pay him back and back with interest, and i came into manhattan and started buying up properties and did great. He has been touting himself as a selfmade billionaire, but in an investigation based on confidential tax returns and financial records, it says that President Trump received the equivalent of at least 413 million from his fathers real estate empire starting as a toddler to now contradicting the boast that he received little help from his father. Joining me is peter baker, and Jeremy Peters both of the New York Times, and both of them are fortunately msnbc contributors. Peter, first to you, the times says thousands of pages of records that they have been going through the voluminous amount of records, and questions about the tax fraud, perhaps civil liability if not criminal because of the statute of limitations, but talk more about the politics of this. Because, we know how the legal traps are very, very difficult, but how about the political impact of portraying this president of the United States as not the selfmade man that he has boasted of being. Well, that is exactly right. This is the imagine that he has cultivated since the beginning of time in public life and long before he was in politics. He has written books, and marketed a television show, and of cours he has ran for president that he is and up from the boot straps kind of figure that parlayed the sev sevenfigure loan, but only 1 million in the contex the oft a multi billion corporation into to something rather extraordinary is not the full story. What our colleagues have shown in the report is that over the years, his father was through one method or another was funneling money to him from loans or outright gifts or sometimes in the form of oproperty all of which helped to build donald trump into the businessman that he would become. This is, you know, the first time that i think that anybody has managed to put together as many details of his business and a tax arrangements in this way given that he has not released his own tax returns unlike every president going back some four decades. And the president has responded in a tweet today reacting to the the report saying that the failing New York Times has done something that i have never seen before, and they used the concept of time value of money in doing an old and boring and often told hit piece on me and adding up that 97 of the stories on me are bad. And never recovered from the bad election call. Jeremy, it is an attack on your colleagues and the newspaper and as well as peter bakers of course. Well, the president can call it fake news or whatever epiteth s that he wants to hurl at us, but what our colleagues did is to the look at thousands and thousands of pages of documents and canceled Bank Statements and checks, and to draw this picture of how intertwined President Trumps finances are with his fathers, and undercuts this mythology around trump as a selfmade man, and he not only had one trust fund according to reporting here of our colleague, but three are trust funds, and loan after loan after loan from his father, and many of which were never repaid. So, again, the idea that he did and that his success success is due to his own brilliance and strategic sense is just not supported by the facts in the story. One of the quotations from the story is that he was getting money fr

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