Interviews with political figures and news updates. they're speaking from the same playbook. but this is a tough line to walk, andrea. >> ken dilanian, you had dan coats, head of national intelligence, questioned about the dissonance there. let's watch. >> in the run-up to the helsinki summit, u.s. officials, ambassadors to nato, ambassadors to russia, said that the president would raise the issue of malign activity with the president. >> i'm not in a position to either understand fully or talk about what happened at helsinki. >> ken, it does seem that dan coats and the rest of the team have still not been briefed on what happened during that private one on one. >> and that's remarkable, andrea. dan coats is the nation's top intelligence official. he needs to know these things, he needs to understand where the russians are coming from, and what potential negotiations took place between the president and the russian leader. this news conference was such a fascinating mixture of cynical meddling. that's not saying whether the president has given authorization for cyber operations. as of a few months ago, i'm told, cyber command did not have that authorization from president trump. >> that's terribly important, obviously, for us to be going on offense. admiral stavridis, general nakasone had this to say, let's play exactly what ken is referring to. >> general, have you been ordered at all or authorized to conduct any offensive cyber operations in response to this? >> so my guidance and direction from the president and secretary of defense is very clear. we're not going to accept meddling in the elections. it's very unambiguous. >> again, that answer is ambiguous. but there were some hints from secretary of defense jim mattis that we might be ready to undertake offensive cyber responses. >> let me start by pointing out that surreal disconnect between the president and his four intelligence professionals. this is kind of like pearl harbor in terms of an attack on the country, andrea. and this would be as though after the pearl harbor attack you didn't get the president coming out, instead you got the chiefs of the army, the navy, the marine corps, saying we're going to prosecute, we're going to go forward, we're going to defend the nation. this is a time when you really expect the president of the united states to be speaking to the american public. so let's really underline the strange aspects of this historically. in terms of offensive cyber, i know general nakasone well, he's a straight shooter. he's trying to keep on the inside highly classified information there. we have a great deal of offensive cyber capability. to date, we have chosen not to deploy it. i think that's a mistake. i think it's time we started to look quite seriously at a range of offensive cyber actions in order to retaliate for this ongoing russian activity. look, the thing with russians, andrea, they have an old proverb which is that when you are probing with a bayonet and you encounter pu countecounter mush. when you hit steel, withdraw. we'll have to show some steel in the cyber world. i hope general nakasone is prepared to do that. i would like to hear more, at least to the congress on a classified level, about what options are on the table. let's time we took this more seriously than we have to date. >> and russia also misbehaving according to treasury sanctions today on north korea. that's something you know very well, what we're doing at sea, even, there's a talk that there's a multilateral naval force. i want to talk more about this dissonance factor. this is the president talking about kim jong-un and north korea at that rally last night. >> what i did with north korea was great. i got along great with chairman kim. i got along great. i got the hostages back. didn't have to pay anything. they're not testing any more nuclear. they haven't had a test in nine months. and you know what else? they're not sending rockets over japan and they're not sending missiles over japan and they're not launching missiles anymore. they haven't launched one in nine months. >> at almost that exact moment, the secretary of state, admiral, was in the air, heading to singapore for a meeting of asian nations where he's going to talk about north korea and about compliance with sanctions. and he was telling the press on the record that they are cheating and that their neighbors are cheating. russia, china, others are cheating, breaking u.n. sanctions, which we now see the treasury acting on today. >> indeed. another remarkable disconnect. and, a, it tells you that the political season is really unfolding, and clearly the president is just throwing red meat, red ribeye steaks to his base. but that is not doing our nation much good in terms of our security. and secretary pompeo is in exactly the right place, which is to evince frustration, to take action. and i think that if we are going to be serious about choking off north korea, it's going to require an international naval task force so that we can avoid the kind of sanction busting that we know russia and china are doing right now. here's the good news, andrea. at least we're still on a diplomatic track. and i will give the president credit ca credit, there have not been any further nuke tesclear tests or launches, but that program is continuing to build. we have to stop it. i think secretary pompeo is our best bet. >> thanks so much for that, admiral stavridis, ken dilanian, and kristen walker at the white house. breaking news, houston police department announcing the man suspected of killing a local cardiologist, a well-known cardiologist, has now been found dead. police say that the apparent murderer committed suicide. dr. mark hausknecht was killed bicycling to work. he formerly had treated president george h.w. bush. he was celebrated in his field and he was tracked on a bicycle by this alleged killer who has now been found apparently a suicide. coming up, alternate reality. president trump declaring russia was not happy about his presidential victory. really? 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i'm not sure. obviously the president's base is still behind him. but i think at this point in the midterm campaigns, we have to ask whether or not these rallies and sort of the bizarre dark forces that he's unleashing at these rallies is actually going to work with those swing voters or those soft republican voters who are going to be determining who controls congress. >> the other thing about this, though, was that he was actually doing something for lou barletta, one of his favorite republican congressmembers. but barletta is running against a very popular democratic senator, bob casey, and casey has a long, the, his family roots are in that district. but you have to win the suburbs of philadelphia in that state. michael steele, as a former republican chair, you know that's not the way to reach out to the people in the suburbs. >> it is not. and i think that's one of the -- pennsylvania is a bellwether for a number of important races coming up this fall. and the fact that the president is so narrowly playing to a base, he feels good in that setting, he's having fun, he's riffing and cussing and doing this and the folks are loving it. to charlie's point, the rest of the country, the independent voters, center/right democrats and republicans, are looking at this and going, what is this all about? there is nonan inclination right now, i think, andrea, to empower that kind of mindset in washington any longer. and that's why you see the numbers for the president dropping. that's why you see the generic ballot for republicans holding on to the congress moving away from them. it's because of moments like we saw last night. >> you also see the tariff wars. out where you live, charlie, wisconsin is being so hard-hit in dairy, in all kinds of ways. the farmers are being hit. and also the auto industry is potentially going to be hit hard by aluminum and steel. again, china today saying that $60 billion in retaliatory tariffs are heading our way. >> well, yes. i mean, you think about the jobs numbers we had earlier today. you would think donald trump and the republicans would be cruising with these economic numbers. but you have this cloud of the tariff wars over the economic numbers. we're the home of harley-davidson, iconic american company that's been attacked and vilified by the president. the larger point that michael is also making is that donald trump is this huge gravitational force distracting republicans from being able to talk about the things they want to talk about. they want to talk about the economy. and yet donald trump keeps throwing out this chaff, keeps stepping on their own message. i can't help but think these attacks on the media, the rise of unhinged conspiracy theories, won't play well in the suburbs and swing area of states like pennsylvania and wisconsin. >> this stuff that works with the base, the polling is hard to figure. >> yes. >> we don't know what the mueller probe is going to be, and he's played that well in terms of demonizing mueller and any result of the investigation that comes. and at the same time, talking about a government shutdown, against the advice of every republican leader in the house and senate. >> you actually are raising a very important underlying point, i think, andrea, about, okay, so how does this really play out, given all these other variables that are still yet to fall into place, from mueller to whether or not the president actually pursues a policy of shutting down the government sometime between september and october. for donald trump, that's his ace card. that's what he keeps up his sleeve, the idea that we're guessing, we don't know how these things play out. some of this is defense and offense at the same time for him, where he goes out here to sort of encapsulate himself in the love of crowds like this that sort of protect him from whatever may come from a mueller probe, for example. but it also gives him that leverage to push back if he wants to and threaten the party, ostensibly, with shutting down the government, and to, quote, say to them, you guys go deal with that, i'm having fun over here, you go deal with the mess that's created over there. it's a different form of throwing a bright shiny object and people following it down a rabbit hole. he's throwing many bright shiny objects in the air at the same time. and the question for the party is, are the voters paying attention to any of those, are there really focused on, okay, what is my situation right now going into this november election? job numbers and all that notwithstanding, how does this play for me? and i think, back to your point about swing voters, i think those swing voters are moving away from the trump circus and focusing more on the fact that they want something a little bit different and this ain't it. >> i wonder how many evangelicals and family value folks, however we define that, are worried about the children and are also worried about the fact that we had to bleep the president of the united states at a public rally because of profanity today. maybe we didn't have to. let's talk about that later. turning now of course to the effort to reunify migrant families, with our thanks to michael and charlie, the trump administration is today trying to shirk the responsibility to reunite more than 500 children still in government custody. msnbc's jacob soboroff who has been on top of this border crisis from the very beginning has the latest from a court filing, jacob. >> reporter: that's right, andrea, we have a court filing that came in from the aclu and the trump administration, the parties in this case. first, an update on the numbers. remember, 2,551 children overall were separated from their parents by the trump administration in a systematic way that had never been done before. as of yesterday during this filing, 572 of them still remain in government custody. they have been calling this category "ineligible for reunification." that word does not appear in the latest court filing, but essentially it's the same group of kids we were talking about before. 410 parents from that group were deported before they were able to be reunified with their children. what is most extraordinary, andrea, but what we learned in this latest filing late last night is that the administration is essentially suggesting that the aclu now go take responsibility for tracking down and reuniting these children with their families. to say this as clearly as i can, the party that separated these children from their parents is now saying, look, we got sued, if you guys want to reunite these kids, you go find them yourself and we'll do our best to help you do that. it's pretty extraordinary. >> the last time i looked, we did not vote for the aclu to be running the government, or dhs, or anything else in this country. i think we voted for donald trump and his cabinet. >> that >> reporter: that's exactly right, andrea. the aclu is essentially defending themselves from this proposal, proposition, that will be talked about in court later today, by saying that the government essentially has endless resources. they have as much money, as much personnel as they possibly can. i talked to an administration official today who basically said, look, the aclu is on the air all the time talking about this issue, people are raising money to find these children. it's a preposterous theory, quite frankly. >> jacob soboroff, thank you so much for taking the time to bring that to us. coming up, lifestyles of the rich and infamous. did paul manafort cook the books to support his very expensive tastes? 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now, justice reporter julia ainsley. harry litman, former assistant attorney general. and our expert "washington post" fashion critic. robin, first to you. pictures are not permitted to be shown of much of this in the courthouse to the jury. but we've seen the pictures. can you tell us who spends $15,000 on an ostrich jacket and what's the difference between python and ostrich? what does this tell you, if you were doing a psychological profile of the person wearing these clothes? >> the choice of something like that ostrich or python, these are exotic leathers. they are, one, not that readily available, and they are also extremely expensive, and they are quite distinctive. someone who decides that's the way they want to go is someone who wants people to notice their clothing and who wants people to sort of see how expensive it is. i think it's also interesting that a lot of the suits, we're talking about custom made suits. but you can't really distinguish them from something that might have been purchased off the rack. they don't have any sort of particular personal flair to them. it's more about the cost. and certainly it's about the volume. and i think a lot of that suggests to me that this is someone who is not so much interested in style as they are interested in quantity and price tag. >> conspicuous consumption. at the same time, according to the evidence, julia, that has been produced, especially the bookkeeper the other day, this was a man who was dead broke by the time of 2016 when he was volunteering to work for donald trump for nothing. >> that's right, andrea. the bookkeeper testified yesterday that around 2015 to 2016, the bottom really fell out for the manaforts. and today we've been able to get more into the finances as we've heard from the person who put together the tax returns for both mr. and mrs. manafort as well as the partnership, the company that manafort ran with rick gates. he said an interesting thing just now as i was leaving the courtroom, not only did manafort obscure some of the sources of his income, he did tell him about the foreign bank accounts in cyprus, but he asked him to lie. he said, will you please say this is a private presence where my wife and i stay in new york so we don't have to pay taxes on it. and he wrote back and said, it's never been my understanding that it's your private residence, in fact it's a rental, a business expense, and you need to pay taxes on it. we're seeing that it's not just that manafort didn't keep track. he willfully, knowingly obscured these data points in his finances. that's exactly what the prosecution needs to prove in this case, that it was knowing and willful. >> harry, as the former prosecutor, how damaging is it that the judge here, who is apparently very well-respected by his colleagues, with his taking a very forceful role in arguing and directing both prosecutors and defense on how they should frame questions, even, and in keeping pictures of all of this extravagant closets full of clothes, in keeping those pictures out of evidence so the jury doesn't see them, how damaging is that to the prosecutors' attempt to put some, you know, visual elements together as well as just these data points? >> he's tough. i've tried in front of judge ellis, and he seems to get a special flair out of really pushing on the prosecution. i don't think it's the case, however, andrea, that they'll see none of these. many of them were admitted. he refused to have them published, which is to say, passed along to the jury. but the jury in the eastern district of virginia will see them when they're deliberating. but how damaging? you know, a little bit. a little bit of flavor. but look, i think overall, prosecution is a storyteller's art. and they are definitely being able to pursue their story in broad strokes this week. and in particular, i think heather washkuhn has emerged for nominee for best supporting actress yesterday, not that she's acting, but she was a devastating witness, i think. credible, position of trust, sees everything, and really buried him with the bookkeeping details. so we've had to date, setting the stage of the ukraine, then the ostrich jacket, and now all the bookkeeping stuff. even without the pictures, it's all going in very well. they'll see many of the pictures anyway later. and i think the stage is now set for rick gates to come forward and tie things up, probably no later than early next week. >> and robin givhan, from your article in "the post," you wrote, a man should not be prosecuted for his fashion choices. although maybe in some cases they should. those choices show who the man believes himself to be. manafort wasn't interested in bespoke fashion. he wasn't buying designer brands as proof of tribal membership. he wasn't hunting down elusive products as testament to his cultural cache. for him, it's about accumulation of monopoly money, having the most expensive stuff. on top of his landscaping and everything else, what's so remarkable, after the bookkeeper testified the bottom had dropped out, he was still living at that level. >> when people are buying this kind of merchandise, as the fashion industry well knows, it's not just about, you know, buying a jacket or a suit or an overcoat. it's really about creating a sort of personal public identity. that's whatwe we're really seei here. it's not just about labels and brands. it's about identity. >> finally, harry, when we talk about this trial, we have to also remember there is an undercurrent here, as we've been talking about it all week. it's not about russia, it's not about the campaign, but it's showing how much he was in hock to the russian oligarchs, even though the judge said you can't use the term "oligarch" in the courtroom, that is in the back of the jurors' minds. >> it certainly could be. the bookkeeper testified while he is the campaign manager, they're losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. they can't pay health insurance. he's got over $1 million in credit card bills. it paints an absolute portrait of financial desperation. and, you know, you've got a financially desperate guy running the campaign of a major political party. it's a recipe for political disaster. >> thanks so much, robin, thank you for your fashion turn and your great analysis today. and julia of course, and harry litman, great weekend all, thanks. coming up, full court press. the president intensifying his attacks on the media. has he gone too far? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. introducing zero account fees for self-directed brokerage accounts. and zero minimums to open an account. we have fidelity mutual funds with zero minimum investment. and now fidelity has two index funds with a zero expense ratio. because when you invest with fidelity, all those zeros really add up. ♪ so maybe i'll win ♪ saved by zero about medicare and supplemental insurance. medicare is great, but it doesn't cover everything 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those attacks and rallies during the campaign and ever since. ashley parker, white house property at "the washington post" and a pulitzer prize winner. and jeremy peters, reporter for "the new york times" and msnbc contributor. ashley, watching that last night, it really does come to mind that this is his main foil in the midterm elections. >> it sure is. and this has been his foil since really the very beginning when he started his campaign. what's interesting to someone who has traveled and been at a lot of those rallies, the mood can kind of differ. there are some rallies where he attacks the media as a foil with a hard edge of menace and it can feel dangerous, uneasy, or unsafe. last night he was clearly agitated, kept returning to the media more frequently than he has in recent weeks, especially at a rally. he did it in a way that was a little bit shticky, part of the trump show, the audience played their part, they booed and jeered us but didn't seem particularly angry. they were sort of smiling as they booed us. there's some element where it's part of the show and some element when he's really angry and it seems like he's really trying to incite the crowd against the media. >> the anger levels are hard to predict. it raises the question, first of all, how safe it is for the media. sarah sanders yesterday under intensive questioning from jim acosta, a frequent target and antagonist back and forth with the president, raising the question about the "enemy of the people" quote after ivanka trump said she disagreed with that, sarah sanders wouldn't say she disagrees. she said she works for the president. mike murphy, a republican strategist, last night had a modest proposal as to what the media should do going forward. >> cover it with a pool reporter. i don't think there's any need to put on the show that frankly the president uses for his base supporters. it's good box office for trump. the question is the journalistic realities which is that they're being used and abused. >> i'm not saying don't cover him, the rallies aren't newsworthy, certainly on north korea and russia and other things they certainly reinforce many themes that we have to cover, but ashley and jeremy, should we be there in force so that he looks out, as he said, it could be the academy awards looking at all these cameras, why not pool it, treat it like an oval office event? >> i think that the level of hostility with which he's treated the media, as ashley pointed out, certainly escalated in recent weeks. and this phrase, "enemy of the people," while he's been using it for about a year and a half now, is especially insidious, because let's just go over the history of where that phrase comes from. leaders like stalin have used this phrase. >> it comes from joseph 12stali. >> exactly. don't you dare question my authority. trump is doing something slightly different, basically says those people who dare to criticize me are criticizing you. they aren't just our political opponents, they are enemies, they are bad people, they are exercising bad faith. and that includes not just the media but anybody who dares to question or really investigate what donald trump is doing, whether that's bob mueller or whether that's the media. >> ashley, it does undercut not only our core values and our constitution and the first amendment, but a longstanding tradition of secretaries of state and presidents speaking out for a free press even when they have been angry for the press, certainly bill clinton was in my own experience, jimmy carter at times, certainly w. bush as well as with perhaps better reason, bush the father, angry. and ronald reagan, angry at us. but they always had news conferences, had organized interactions with the press, not just off-the-cuff interactions when they chose to. and they never barred reporters from publicly covered events as this president has. >> that's right. relationships with other presidents, other politicians, have certainly gotten antagonistic but we haven't seen anything like this. the president is not someone, even when he goes abroad, he doesn't go abroad to export democratic or american values there. the irony, as you point out, of the president really going after the media and really not standing up for them or even the first amendment is that he more than any modern politician is a creation of the media. in a lot of ways, president trump doesn't exist without the media. so as much as he attacks us and, you know, recently barred a reporter from attending an event, he also looks back in the crowd and he is desperate to see all those cameras pointing at him and all those red lights on and all of those headlines. and a lot of his behavior in office is reflective of the media coverage. >> not such a bad idea from mike murphy, at least worth pursuing. thank you so much, ashley, thanks for being out there for us, and jeremy of course as well. coming up, controversial praise. an african-american pastor calling 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support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. save $200 on this dell laptop at office depot officemax. >> tell me what policy that you are signaling out of this administration that's been so pro-black. >> first of all, happy 40 years on msnbc. >> thanks a lot. >> when i heard the pastor, i wonder if the pastor have been living on saturn or uranus or neptune. that deserves the fake, fake news academy award. it is such a misstatement of fact and reality. h bill clinton appointments and his important work in helping to vitalize urban america or barack obama putting the first african-american in the attorney's chair and george w. bush, you had two black secretaries of state. it is not the kind of statement that deserves any response because it is a fake, fake news narrative. >> i also want to point out what george w. bush trying to combat the aids in africa. it was george bush working with several other advocacy groups. it is astounding given the impact on healthcare with proposals tripping down affordable healthcare and eliminating preexisting conditions, who is that going to hurt? the least empowered among us and clean water and clean air. if you look at all the deregulation, who's most impacted? the people of urban communities, many of whom are minorities. >> many of these whether education or justice or arena really would serve to reverse gains that were made under the obama years. the affordable care act narrow health disparities and we had stronger enforcements of civil rights lost. any on that that's not good public policies for urban communities and communities of color. loud ascertations and the real facts of what we are facing today and the tremendous contributions of the prior presidents. >> i want to point out one quick thing, the propaganda efforts on facebook and others to create more divisions which started with black lives matter and charlottesville and others and ferguson even before 2016. 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