Transcripts For MSNBCW Andrea Mitchell Reports 20150205 : co

Transcripts For MSNBCW Andrea Mitchell Reports 20150205



breakfast today, president obama says isis is betraying islam. >> we see isil a brutal vicious death cult that in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism. ♪ good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. right now secretaries of state kerry is wrapping up a critical trip to ukraine, a full day of crisis meetings focused on the renewed violence in donetsk and possibility of u.s. arming troops. he also had a message for vladimir putin. >> far from meeting the commitments, russia and separatists are seizing more territory, terror sizing more citizens and refusing to participate in serious negotiations. let there be no doubt about who is blocking the prospect of peace here. >> joining me now is former u.s. ambassador to russia. thank you very much for being with us. the kremlin said there are no russians on the ground in ukraine and secretary kerry and prime minister were asked about that and i want to play some of their answer. >> i would ask him simply mr. prime minister is it true that as the kremlin just said today there are no russians on the ground in -- >> it seems to me the only country who strongly deny clear russian boots on ground is russian federation and personally president putin. if they need i can give them my glasses. >> michael mcfall, you've got pretty good vision. you were there in moscow and had an interesting tenure. what's your response? >> i think president poroshenko is right, the overwhelming consensus is that there are russian weapons in eastern ukraine. russian soldiers there, even if we call them volunteers. they have been there for some time and even in fact russian officials have said they are volunteers. they are soldiers that are on holiday in eastern ukraine. this is a proxy war that president putin is conducting in eastern ukraine. >> and kerry has just said the u.s. is itdoes not want to conduct a proxy war. if we arm ukraine, we're not going to get involved on the ground in any other fashion. there's a big argument against arming ukraine, ukraine's military is corrupt, notoriously corrupt, that they could resell the arms to the highest bidder, including bad characters in the region. and they are not trained to use these weapons. >> those are legitimate concerns. and in addition i would add to that if the united states does deliver new arms different kinds of arms to ukraine, putin will respond and escalate. no doubt in my mind. that said i think the principle here is important. ukraine is a sovereign country. the entire world recognizes ukraine as a sovereign country and it has the right to defend itself as other sovereign countries do. at the end of the day, i agree again with president poroshenko when he said it's our choice. i believe that's right and we should proceed with it in a very smart way, starting with nonlethal real emphasis on defensive weapons so ukraine has the right to defend its territory. but we should do it with eyes wide open that there will be a response for moscow. >> but you would concede that ukraine is not in america's strategic interest and not a nato ally obviously so there's a limit to how much the u.s. should engage? >> absolutely correct, i agree with that. and most certainly, it should be very clear that there's no chance whatsoever that american military personnel will be involved. i think that's another fear of the critics. they say this looks like another vietnam. i don't see it that way, precisely for the reasons you describe but i think we should make that as clear as possible. especially make that clear to our partners in kiev. >> you alluded to the fact that we don't know how putin would respond, whether he would take any arming of any defensive weapons to ukraine to double down. he in recent weeks has doubled down. they violated the mins k agreed and his own economy is cratering from the sanctions and oil prices. prices are back up a little bit but still at historic lows yet he does not seem to be engaging. there's talk there should be a back channel to him. how do you describe his behavior? >> i think he's decided that ambiguity is good that time is on his side. and most recently i think he's decided to go for further gains in eastern ukraine and then settle for peace again after they've won on the ground settled for peace with the new borders and new territory that has proxies have taken. that's what it seems like to me. so far he's been able to achieve that because of the balance of power on the ground favors him and his proxies. secondly, he's not interested in a settlement. i think that's something we need to understand that for him, the ultimate goal here is the fall of the government and kiev. and instability in ukraine as a whole serves that goal. so unlike us we're eager to have a deal and want to settle it tonight. i personally think that's right. we want this war to end. i don't think putin has the same set of objectives right now. >> now, as the former ambassador in a top decision maker before that in the nsc, you clearly saw background information and intelligence briefings, if you will on what's going on with putin and what motivates his behavior. "usa today through freedom of information act gotten a hold of a pentagon funded study by a pentagon think tank that suggests he could have some neurological, asperger's or some other syndrome. >> i don't want to talk about things i shouldn't because i don't know what's classified and not. it's obvious -- let me just state, something more generally, of course we were deeply interested in all kinds of information about all leaders around the world and in my portfolio both at the white house and in moscow information about mr. putin, i can't verify or not whether that's true. i'm not an expert. but we had a deep interest in knowing as much as possible about putin in part because he doesn't meet with many foreign leaders. we didn't have a lot of interaction with him. we were often guessing and tried to use whatever information we could obtain. >> mike mcfaul, i'll take that as a yes. thank you very much, sir. good to see you. >> there could be clearly a clinical explanation to try to understand better vladimir putin's behavior. as we just suggested a freedom of information act request by "usa today" uncovered studies from an expert in movement pattern analysis theer rising that the russian president may have asperger's syndrome putin's neurological development was significantly interrupted in infancy. ray locker broke this very provocative story and joins me now, on the front page of usa today in the print version. ray, fascinating stuff. we know this is thee receiptical and these analysts don't know putin per se. but this is the kind of stuff that our intelligence agencies and pentagon do all the time. it's government funded pentagon is saying well it wasn't study by the highest levels of the pentagon, the defense secretary never looked at it but -- clearly, tell us what you know. >> so they had been studying putin for a long time and other world leaders from a program called body leads. done in newport rhode island through an internal -- >> taxpayer dollars. >> taxpayer dollars, of course. as the a.m. bass dore mentioned, we do all sorts of things but don't necessarily see it. to actually see the report one done in 2008, that suggested asperger's and another in 2011 that talked about putin and medvedev medvedev. >> the top of the report has the caveat of those studying but this informs behaviors. i know from having covered the white house many years presidents when they travel to visit a foreign leader they get an intelligence debrief which says this is what this leader has done. these are his family problems. this his background. he might have this disease or that disease. we studied saddam hussein and gadhafi, all of these things are written up. >> one of the people i talked to yesterday said he had been involved in looking at three people osama bin laden, vladimir putin and kim jong-il, the former leader of north korea to have looked for certain tells in their behavior and facial patterns, et cetera. >> this is the kind of study that will say, does he have kidney disease? how long might he live? how long might we have to deal with it? in this case you don't have to be an arm chair psychologist to see vladimir putin takes his shirt off and does crazy things and rides bare crested through the forest. what is he trying to project? >> in the report it says he wants to have a controlled environment, which is something that they have seen with other people like that like bin laden and kim jong-il. they want to control everything they do and everything around them to kind of shape what they can do how the government works, how people can react against them et cetera. >> and this -- one of the recommendations was he's better in small meetings rather than in large groups where he might be compelled to perform more. might get a better response from him one on one or in a smaller group. >> if you had him in a big group with a lot of people that wanted a piece of his time or attention, he might get distracted and might not react well. it's better if you have him in a smaller quieter environment to deal with people more on a one on one basis. >> tell me about andrew marshall, a form aide to henry kissinger is still in charge of the program? >> he's supposed to retire this year. i don't know if he retired or not. he has run the office of net assessment since the 1970s and helped kissinger deal with arms control issues. there are a number of documents that i found over the years that show that he was exerting a lot of pressure on the cia to push back other estimates -- >> the famous team b. >> mid-1970s, yes. >> fascinating stuff. >> did this office by any way project that vladimir putin would steal and keep bob kraft's super bowl ring? >> the 2008 report does mention that incident. >> it does. >> what does it say? >> that it was evidence of some of his quirky behavior and whether that fits in with the other things they loorked at. >> somebody should have told mr. kraft. he's got another one now. thank you very much. >> my pleasure great to be here. >> we have important breaking news, john boehner has just announced this pope francis will visit capitol hill during his trip to the u.s. and the first pope to address a joint meeting of congress on september 24th. as we've reported in addition to washington the pope will also be making stops the first stop in philadelphia and go to new york city. this is an enormous highly anticipated event, obviously. in sharp contrast to the other visit, the joint meeting that boehner invited, of course prime minister netanyahu without first telling the white house or anyone else at the state department. this will be a very big deal indeed. september 24th on capitol hill. ahead, right here the panic and chaos inside that crowded commuter train after tuesday's deadly crash outside new york city. we'll talk to one of the passengers coming up. and next retaliation, why experts say isis has messed with the wrong king. can this decadent, fruit topped pastry... ...with indulgent streusel crumble, be from... fiber one. fiber one streusel. 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it's struggling with this crisis of 800,000 refugees from the syrian civil war. they've got economic challenge just to handle this 21% of their population, yet the king a combat pilot himself for many years is vowing a military response. >> i do think we've made gestures on too many of these fronts. we clearly need to up the anty in terms of direct support to kurdish military forces to jordanians and iraqis. the jordanians are getting a billion dollars a year but that's probably inadequate given the front line status and their willingness to take part in these operations. at the end of the day, as you know better than most we're in this quan dri where we've become a defacto ally of iranians and assad trying to focus on this murdererous group of 30,000 isis fighters. we have to sort out our strategic objectives then i think the white house has to not micromanage the military force that they are willing to use. >> in fact arab allies are complaining that the military's hands are being tied by the white house by the hesitation the concern we're getting into iraq another afghanistan, don't want to go there. not what the president wants. that is why i'm told the uae did stop flying missions in december when this jordanian pilot was captured because the nearest search and rescue mission was all the way in kuwait. they want a forward based search and rescue mission which could conceivably get to save one of their pilots. >> i think uae is right. if you use u.s. air power you need to let them design the package on the ground. may mean ranger battalions boots on ground if we need to pick up one of our pilots. we see this in places like the ukraine, defensive weapons, lethal weapons. these are all over intellectualizing, are we going to stand behind people in the right of self-defense, yes or no? if you're going to do it let's do something substantial that's likely to achieve a result. >> former deputy cia director testified yesterday it would take 100,000 troops to really degrade and defight isis which is the president's stated goal. >> i think it would be huge mistake to put ground combat forces into action against a terrorist group in desert areas, doesn't make any sense at all. what it really requires is us to have a long-term focus on supporting our friends in the region, the saudis and egyptians and jordanians the iraqis for whatever that's worth, directly to the kurds. and trying in the long run to wear them down. but this isn't -- we have no direct national security interest that are vital in the region with isis. that's the other problem. this is primarily homeland security threat to us. a few dozen americans are there. they are going to come home and be a threat. several thousand europeans, this is a significant challenge to homeland security. >> general, thank you, as always. ahead right here on "andrea mitchell reports," up all night the controversial play call that has been giving sea hawks fans nightmares this week. what about coach pete carroll? 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>> helen brody married with three daughters and worked at a jewelry store. >> she was warm, kind, a great mom. >> reporter: her husband allen posting on facebook thank you to shows who share condolences for the terrible tragedy that took my beloved wife helen, whom so many of you knew. on board the train, five passengers were killed among them -- >> the main port about dutch painting -- >> walter litke from the metropolitan museum of art and eric vand der car and eric durst with a wife and three young children. we spoke to his father overnight. >> all a father could ever want and having had him in my life for 36 years, is a great -- absolutely great joy. >> there is no suggestion today that in any way the crew's actions contributed to the crash but they have downloaded the black boxes from the train itself as well as the data from the crossing arms. they are going to be looking at that information to determine how fast the train was moving and also when it alied the breaks. still hoping to interview the engineer and conductor and get their story as to what happened. andrea back to you. >> thanks tom, up there in snowy westchester county. i'm here with elizabeth, who survived the train crash. you're a regular commuter take the 544 from grand central most nights and sit in first car usually, that night you were in the fourth car, four cars back. you were able to escape. >> yep. >> thank you very much after what you've gone through for joining us today. >> of course. >> tell me if you don't mind talking about that night and what happened when the train collided with the suv. >> well i heard -- i felt the train jerk about five times and then it suddenly stopped. and the conductor came over the speaker -- the speaker came on first and then it -- he went off the speaker. he didn't say anything. then he came back on again and said to us that we hit a car. and he was going to walk up and down the aisle to see if anybody had been injured. so right away i didn't think that there was anybody in the car that we hit. i was in shock though and i called my husband right away he usually comes to pick me up at golden's bridge. and told him we were in an accident and we would have to see what was going on. and called my mother and told her what happened. then the conductor i saw him maybe ten minutes later came down the aisle to make sure we were all okay. and then i started to see passengers coming up from the front of the train going towards the back. and they didn't say anything to us at first. then we started smelling gas. and we were like oh, my god something is happening. we saw more commuters coming from the front of the train going towards the back. then we heard people saying we've got to get off the train. the train is on fire. we collected our belongings and went in the aisle to move feared forward, back towards where the last car would be. try to get off the train. there's nowhere to go. the door was shut. and then i was able to get in between two of the trains to peer outside and saw a woman out there, another commuter and asked her how she managed to get outside. she went through the emergency window. so there were guys behind me and they went to try to do something with the emergency window open it up but they couldn't figure it out. we were panicking and people were yelling behind me we need to get off, get off the train. it was crazy. and then we finally -- >> you must have been so panicked. how did you get out? >> we finally saw a firefighter, he came on the train and managed to open the door and once the door was open i saw commuters out there waiting to help get out of the other commuters. and some of us saying two at a time, do two at a time because we were panicking and trying to rush and get everybody off the train. they got us off two at a time and we had to -- they placed us in the snowy enbank mts and i looked to my right and saw the first car was on fire. i couldn't believe it. nothing like this has happened before. imagining those poor people in the front car. >> when you got -- when you got off the train, were you concerned about the rail? the third rail obviously was the real problem which ignited in the crash, melting that suv into the first car. how did you get off of the train and manage to get to the enbankment? they sat us down two at a time at the entrances. we sat down and they lifted us up because we were about maybe 7 to 8 feet up from the landing of the embankment. they got us off two at a time. and then there weren't that many people out there. i didn't see that many first responders because they were busy i'm sure dealing with what was happening in the first car. and then they told us -- there was a firefighter that told us to walk towards the back of the train. and cross the tracks and it was safe to cross the tracks because they turned off the wire. it wasn't a live wire anymore. >> well we're all so grateful that you are well. and recovering from this experience. >> yes. >> i know the tragedy is unspeakable for those who are lost and we just wish you all the best. >> thank you, i just -- for the family that lost those loved ones i feel so bad for them it's awful. >> of course we do you do. thanks for being with us. are you covered? 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>> let me put the cards on the table. i'm a patriots fan, thrilled with the outcome, love to blame pete carroll. we looked at the numbers on this and i think pete carroll has a point we'll show you why. you talk about the running game to remind you what the setup was here. this is the receiver who runs the slant. this is butler the patriot's player that makes the game winning interception. everybody says you have marshawn lynch, one of the best running backs of all of football can't he get one yard? it seems very logical. but take a look at this. when you look at what happened during the course of the season marshawn lynch, the running back tore the seattle seahawks had five carries from the other team's one yard line all season. five times he was in that exact same situation and did what everybody is saying, they gave marshawn lynch the ball. what happened? one touchdown. other plays, two one yard losses and two carries for no game. in that exact same spot in the course of the season you had a 20% success rate. it's not necessarily a sure thing. >> but it was second down they still had two other chances. that said what about the slant pass that they did throw and the odds of that working? >> that's the other thing, if you look at the numbers on that we can cycle over. from the one yard line this season in the entire nfl. there were 108 passes that were thrown from the 1 yard line. 108 pass plays before the play on sunday night. of those 108 passes zero were interceptions. if you're the seattle seahawks and as you say they get a couple of chances here they have a time out here. if you're going to hand it off to marshawn lynch every time the defense is going to be ready every single play. if you throw one time there, you have a pretty good success rate here and still run the next down. >> and in terms of the red zone play, you as a patriots fan, i believe actually think that belichick made a worse decision in the final moment. >> i think he did. he was screaming at the tv literally until the second the interception happened. the play before the interception marshawn lynch had carried it about 4 yards from the 5 yard line to justin side the 1 yard line. that set up critical play. here was the key, there's a minute and two on the clock and the patriots had two time-outs, i'm screaming and every patriot fan is screaming to belichick, take the time out. the chances are overwhelming the seahawks get in the end zone. if you're the patriots what you need then is time 45 seconds, whatever you can get to come down the other side of the field and get in field goal range. that's where the percentages were if you're the patriots and he let it go down and down and needing 1 in 100,000 interception. it reminds me of don't confuse favorable outcomes with big decisions. >> i think the reason why belichick was frozen in place, still trying to get over that circus catch a few minutes earlier. thank you, you can watch "up with steve" weekends at 8:00 a.m. >> why is a congressman channelling a pop star? 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>> truly. he touches almost every speech domestic foreign, whatever. that's how well he knows the president's thinking and how deeply he's involved in the messaging and deeply involved he is in policy. >> speaking of 2016 and hillary staffing up in this shadow campaign, jeb bush continuing this march towards a most likely announcement, he was at the detroit economic club interesting venue with a serious policy speech. jonathan, he also addressed the whole question of the bush name pluses and minuses. >> i love my dad. my dad is the greatest man alive. if anybody disagrees, we'll go outside unless you're like 6'5" earn 250 and much younger than me. then we'll negotiate. i'll still not change my mind for sure. i love my brother and i think he's been a great president. it doesn't bother me a bit to be proud of them and love them but i know for a fact if i'm going to be successful going beyond the consideration, that i'm going to have to do it on my own. >> so the human side of jeb bush showing his ability in answering an important question he has to deal with. >> i thought that that response was perfect, acknowledging the fact that yes, i have a famous last name and yes, i'm the brother and son to two foormer presidents and you know my family's name but you don't know me yet. it's my job to have you learn about me and stand on my own two feet. it will be interesting and kind of fun to watch governor bush try to do that. it's going to be very difficult especially since his brother, the former president was in office not relatively not that long ago. >> and i want to ask both of you about decorating tips if you will. jeanne i mean it is if you ran a time of frugalty from the republican side and here you've got aaron shock, the illinois congressman redecorating his house office to try to look like downton abbey. look at the pictures we know how nonscript they are. he spend $100,000 of taxpayer money apparently and went on this decorating -- >> representative shock is different. he is different. he's very young and came to congress when he was 27 years old. he's now in his early 30s and he is an instagram master sends pictures of himself hiking lifting weights. >> a different young cutting edge congressman. this apparently he says he's never seen downton abbey so this maybe a decorating accident that he now will pay for with his own money because ethics issues have been raised around this. >> the deck ratder told the "washington post" that the inspiration was downton abbey, this is the youngest member of congress. the oldest one tweeted today, my congressional office had more of an unintentional antiques road show type of decor to it. >> the other thing jeanne didn't say about the congressman, he's very stylish. this is a person who's been pictured in men's fashion magazines and has the infamous photo of him in a white jeans and turquoise belt and purple gingham shirt. he's someone who i look to and adds mir for his fashion sense. his former office when i first met him was also beautifully tastefully done. i'm not surprised by his new decoration. i'm just surprised that it cost so much. >> to be continued. >> jeanne and jonathan thank you. don't add just your television sets yes, that is a polar bear or at least a very real looking puppet seen roaming the streets of london town making friends with children and enemies with a poodle puppy. in other cases fitting right in with londoners on the tube and on the street. even willing to take a selfie as you can see. it's part of a viral marketing campaign for a new british tv crime drama set in an arctic town, believe it or not, inside that puppet polar bear are two puppeteers bringing the barear to life. smarter than the average bear indeed. they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ (dad) we lived... thanks to our subaru. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. ring ring!... progresso! it's ok that your soup tastes like my homemade. it's our slow simmered vegetables and tender white meat chicken. apology accepted. i'm watching you soup people. make it progresso or make it yourself winter is hard on your face. the start of sneeze season. and the wind-blown watery eyes. that's why puffs plus lotion is gentle on sensitive skin. so you can always put your best face forward. a face in need deserves puffs indeed. and try puffs softpack today. female announcer: don't wait for presidents' day to save on a new mattress. sleep train's presidents' day sale is on now! save up to $300 on beautyrest and posturepedic. even get three years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. plus, free delivery, set up, and removal of your old set. and sleep train's 100 day money back guarantee. keep more presidents in your wallet. sleep train's presidents' day sale is on now! ...guaranteed! ♪ sleep train ♪ ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ that does it for us, thanks for being with us director dr. tony fauci and we'll talk to charlie ebersole. 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breakfast today, president obama says isis is betraying islam. >> we see isil a brutal vicious death cult that in the name of religion carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism. ♪ good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. right now secretaries of state kerry is wrapping up a critical trip to ukraine, a full day of crisis meetings focused on the renewed violence in donetsk and possibility of u.s. arming troops. he also had a message for vladimir putin. >> far from meeting the commitments, russia and separatists are seizing more territory, terror sizing more citizens and refusing to participate in serious negotiations. let there be no doubt about who is blocking the prospect of peace here. >> joining me now is former u.s. ambassador to russia. thank you very much for being with us. the kremlin said there are no russians on the ground in ukraine and secretary kerry and prime minister were asked about that and i want to play some of their answer. >> i would ask him simply mr. prime minister is it true that as the kremlin just said today there are no russians on the ground in -- >> it seems to me the only country who strongly deny clear russian boots on ground is russian federation and personally president putin. if they need i can give them my glasses. >> michael mcfall, you've got pretty good vision. you were there in moscow and had an interesting tenure. what's your response? >> i think president poroshenko is right, the overwhelming consensus is that there are russian weapons in eastern ukraine. russian soldiers there, even if we call them volunteers. they have been there for some time and even in fact russian officials have said they are volunteers. they are soldiers that are on holiday in eastern ukraine. this is a proxy war that president putin is conducting in eastern ukraine. >> and kerry has just said the u.s. is itdoes not want to conduct a proxy war. if we arm ukraine, we're not going to get involved on the ground in any other fashion. there's a big argument against arming ukraine, ukraine's military is corrupt, notoriously corrupt, that they could resell the arms to the highest bidder, including bad characters in the region. and they are not trained to use these weapons. >> those are legitimate concerns. and in addition i would add to that if the united states does deliver new arms different kinds of arms to ukraine, putin will respond and escalate. no doubt in my mind. that said i think the principle here is important. ukraine is a sovereign country. the entire world recognizes ukraine as a sovereign country and it has the right to defend itself as other sovereign countries do. at the end of the day, i agree again with president poroshenko when he said it's our choice. i believe that's right and we should proceed with it in a very smart way, starting with nonlethal real emphasis on defensive weapons so ukraine has the right to defend its territory. but we should do it with eyes wide open that there will be a response for moscow. >> but you would concede that ukraine is not in america's strategic interest and not a nato ally obviously so there's a limit to how much the u.s. should engage? >> absolutely correct, i agree with that. and most certainly, it should be very clear that there's no chance whatsoever that american military personnel will be involved. i think that's another fear of the critics. they say this looks like another vietnam. i don't see it that way, precisely for the reasons you describe but i think we should make that as clear as possible. especially make that clear to our partners in kiev. >> you alluded to the fact that we don't know how putin would respond, whether he would take any arming of any defensive weapons to ukraine to double down. he in recent weeks has doubled down. they violated the mins k agreed and his own economy is cratering from the sanctions and oil prices. prices are back up a little bit but still at historic lows yet he does not seem to be engaging. there's talk there should be a back channel to him. how do you describe his behavior? >> i think he's decided that ambiguity is good that time is on his side. and most recently i think he's decided to go for further gains in eastern ukraine and then settle for peace again after they've won on the ground settled for peace with the new borders and new territory that has proxies have taken. that's what it seems like to me. so far he's been able to achieve that because of the balance of power on the ground favors him and his proxies. secondly, he's not interested in a settlement. i think that's something we need to understand that for him, the ultimate goal here is the fall of the government and kiev. and instability in ukraine as a whole serves that goal. so unlike us we're eager to have a deal and want to settle it tonight. i personally think that's right. we want this war to end. i don't think putin has the same set of objectives right now. >> now, as the former ambassador in a top decision maker before that in the nsc, you clearly saw background information and intelligence briefings, if you will on what's going on with putin and what motivates his behavior. "usa today through freedom of information act gotten a hold of a pentagon funded study by a pentagon think tank that suggests he could have some neurological, asperger's or some other syndrome. >> i don't want to talk about things i shouldn't because i don't know what's classified and not. it's obvious -- let me just state, something more generally, of course we were deeply interested in all kinds of information about all leaders around the world and in my portfolio both at the white house and in moscow information about mr. putin, i can't verify or not whether that's true. i'm not an expert. but we had a deep interest in knowing as much as possible about putin in part because he doesn't meet with many foreign leaders. we didn't have a lot of interaction with him. we were often guessing and tried to use whatever information we could obtain. >> mike mcfaul, i'll take that as a yes. thank you very much, sir. good to see you. >> there could be clearly a clinical explanation to try to understand better vladimir putin's behavior. as we just suggested a freedom of information act request by "usa today" uncovered studies from an expert in movement pattern analysis theer rising that the russian president may have asperger's syndrome putin's neurological development was significantly interrupted in infancy. ray locker broke this very provocative story and joins me now, on the front page of usa today in the print version. ray, fascinating stuff. we know this is thee receiptical and these analysts don't know putin per se. but this is the kind of stuff that our intelligence agencies and pentagon do all the time. it's government funded pentagon is saying well it wasn't study by the highest levels of the pentagon, the defense secretary never looked at it but -- clearly, tell us what you know. >> so they had been studying putin for a long time and other world leaders from a program called body leads. done in newport rhode island through an internal -- >> taxpayer dollars. >> taxpayer dollars, of course. as the a.m. bass dore mentioned, we do all sorts of things but don't necessarily see it. to actually see the report one done in 2008, that suggested asperger's and another in 2011 that talked about putin and medvedev medvedev. >> the top of the report has the caveat of those studying but this informs behaviors. i know from having covered the white house many years presidents when they travel to visit a foreign leader they get an intelligence debrief which says this is what this leader has done. these are his family problems. this his background. he might have this disease or that disease. we studied saddam hussein and gadhafi, all of these things are written up. >> one of the people i talked to yesterday said he had been involved in looking at three people osama bin laden, vladimir putin and kim jong-il, the former leader of north korea to have looked for certain tells in their behavior and facial patterns, et cetera. >> this is the kind of study that will say, does he have kidney disease? how long might he live? how long might we have to deal with it? in this case you don't have to be an arm chair psychologist to see vladimir putin takes his shirt off and does crazy things and rides bare crested through the forest. what is he trying to project? >> in the report it says he wants to have a controlled environment, which is something that they have seen with other people like that like bin laden and kim jong-il. they want to control everything they do and everything around them to kind of shape what they can do how the government works, how people can react against them et cetera. >> and this -- one of the recommendations was he's better in small meetings rather than in large groups where he might be compelled to perform more. might get a better response from him one on one or in a smaller group. >> if you had him in a big group with a lot of people that wanted a piece of his time or attention, he might get distracted and might not react well. it's better if you have him in a smaller quieter environment to deal with people more on a one on one basis. >> tell me about andrew marshall, a form aide to henry kissinger is still in charge of the program? >> he's supposed to retire this year. i don't know if he retired or not. he has run the office of net assessment since the 1970s and helped kissinger deal with arms control issues. there are a number of documents that i found over the years that show that he was exerting a lot of pressure on the cia to push back other estimates -- >> the famous team b. >> mid-1970s, yes. >> fascinating stuff. >> did this office by any way project that vladimir putin would steal and keep bob kraft's super bowl ring? >> the 2008 report does mention that incident. >> it does. >> what does it say? >> that it was evidence of some of his quirky behavior and whether that fits in with the other things they loorked at. >> somebody should have told mr. kraft. he's got another one now. thank you very much. >> my pleasure great to be here. >> we have important breaking news, john boehner has just announced this pope francis will visit capitol hill during his trip to the u.s. and the first pope to address a joint meeting of congress on september 24th. as we've reported in addition to washington the pope will also be making stops the first stop in philadelphia and go to new york city. this is an enormous highly anticipated event, obviously. in sharp contrast to the other visit, the joint meeting that boehner invited, of course prime minister netanyahu without first telling the white house or anyone else at the state department. this will be a very big deal indeed. september 24th on capitol hill. ahead, right here the panic and chaos inside that crowded commuter train after tuesday's deadly crash outside new york city. we'll talk to one of the passengers coming up. and next retaliation, why experts say isis has messed with the wrong king. can this decadent, fruit topped pastry... ...with indulgent streusel crumble, be from... fiber one. fiber one streusel. 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it's struggling with this crisis of 800,000 refugees from the syrian civil war. they've got economic challenge just to handle this 21% of their population, yet the king a combat pilot himself for many years is vowing a military response. >> i do think we've made gestures on too many of these fronts. we clearly need to up the anty in terms of direct support to kurdish military forces to jordanians and iraqis. the jordanians are getting a billion dollars a year but that's probably inadequate given the front line status and their willingness to take part in these operations. at the end of the day, as you know better than most we're in this quan dri where we've become a defacto ally of iranians and assad trying to focus on this murdererous group of 30,000 isis fighters. we have to sort out our strategic objectives then i think the white house has to not micromanage the military force that they are willing to use. >> in fact arab allies are complaining that the military's hands are being tied by the white house by the hesitation the concern we're getting into iraq another afghanistan, don't want to go there. not what the president wants. that is why i'm told the uae did stop flying missions in december when this jordanian pilot was captured because the nearest search and rescue mission was all the way in kuwait. they want a forward based search and rescue mission which could conceivably get to save one of their pilots. >> i think uae is right. if you use u.s. air power you need to let them design the package on the ground. may mean ranger battalions boots on ground if we need to pick up one of our pilots. we see this in places like the ukraine, defensive weapons, lethal weapons. these are all over intellectualizing, are we going to stand behind people in the right of self-defense, yes or no? if you're going to do it let's do something substantial that's likely to achieve a result. >> former deputy cia director testified yesterday it would take 100,000 troops to really degrade and defight isis which is the president's stated goal. >> i think it would be huge mistake to put ground combat forces into action against a terrorist group in desert areas, doesn't make any sense at all. what it really requires is us to have a long-term focus on supporting our friends in the region, the saudis and egyptians and jordanians the iraqis for whatever that's worth, directly to the kurds. and trying in the long run to wear them down. but this isn't -- we have no direct national security interest that are vital in the region with isis. that's the other problem. this is primarily homeland security threat to us. a few dozen americans are there. they are going to come home and be a threat. several thousand europeans, this is a significant challenge to homeland security. >> general, thank you, as always. ahead right here on "andrea mitchell reports," up all night the controversial play call that has been giving sea hawks fans nightmares this week. what about coach pete carroll? 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>> helen brody married with three daughters and worked at a jewelry store. >> she was warm, kind, a great mom. >> reporter: her husband allen posting on facebook thank you to shows who share condolences for the terrible tragedy that took my beloved wife helen, whom so many of you knew. on board the train, five passengers were killed among them -- >> the main port about dutch painting -- >> walter litke from the metropolitan museum of art and eric vand der car and eric durst with a wife and three young children. we spoke to his father overnight. >> all a father could ever want and having had him in my life for 36 years, is a great -- absolutely great joy. >> there is no suggestion today that in any way the crew's actions contributed to the crash but they have downloaded the black boxes from the train itself as well as the data from the crossing arms. they are going to be looking at that information to determine how fast the train was moving and also when it alied the breaks. still hoping to interview the engineer and conductor and get their story as to what happened. andrea back to you. >> thanks tom, up there in snowy westchester county. i'm here with elizabeth, who survived the train crash. you're a regular commuter take the 544 from grand central most nights and sit in first car usually, that night you were in the fourth car, four cars back. you were able to escape. >> yep. >> thank you very much after what you've gone through for joining us today. >> of course. >> tell me if you don't mind talking about that night and what happened when the train collided with the suv. >> well i heard -- i felt the train jerk about five times and then it suddenly stopped. and the conductor came over the speaker -- the speaker came on first and then it -- he went off the speaker. he didn't say anything. then he came back on again and said to us that we hit a car. and he was going to walk up and down the aisle to see if anybody had been injured. so right away i didn't think that there was anybody in the car that we hit. i was in shock though and i called my husband right away he usually comes to pick me up at golden's bridge. and told him we were in an accident and we would have to see what was going on. and called my mother and told her what happened. then the conductor i saw him maybe ten minutes later came down the aisle to make sure we were all okay. and then i started to see passengers coming up from the front of the train going towards the back. and they didn't say anything to us at first. then we started smelling gas. and we were like oh, my god something is happening. we saw more commuters coming from the front of the train going towards the back. then we heard people saying we've got to get off the train. the train is on fire. we collected our belongings and went in the aisle to move feared forward, back towards where the last car would be. try to get off the train. there's nowhere to go. the door was shut. and then i was able to get in between two of the trains to peer outside and saw a woman out there, another commuter and asked her how she managed to get outside. she went through the emergency window. so there were guys behind me and they went to try to do something with the emergency window open it up but they couldn't figure it out. we were panicking and people were yelling behind me we need to get off, get off the train. it was crazy. and then we finally -- >> you must have been so panicked. how did you get out? >> we finally saw a firefighter, he came on the train and managed to open the door and once the door was open i saw commuters out there waiting to help get out of the other commuters. and some of us saying two at a time, do two at a time because we were panicking and trying to rush and get everybody off the train. they got us off two at a time and we had to -- they placed us in the snowy enbank mts and i looked to my right and saw the first car was on fire. i couldn't believe it. nothing like this has happened before. imagining those poor people in the front car. >> when you got -- when you got off the train, were you concerned about the rail? the third rail obviously was the real problem which ignited in the crash, melting that suv into the first car. how did you get off of the train and manage to get to the enbankment? they sat us down two at a time at the entrances. we sat down and they lifted us up because we were about maybe 7 to 8 feet up from the landing of the embankment. they got us off two at a time. and then there weren't that many people out there. i didn't see that many first responders because they were busy i'm sure dealing with what was happening in the first car. and then they told us -- there was a firefighter that told us to walk towards the back of the train. and cross the tracks and it was safe to cross the tracks because they turned off the wire. it wasn't a live wire anymore. >> well we're all so grateful that you are well. and recovering from this experience. >> yes. >> i know the tragedy is unspeakable for those who are lost and we just wish you all the best. >> thank you, i just -- for the family that lost those loved ones i feel so bad for them it's awful. >> of course we do you do. thanks for being with us. are you covered? 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>> let me put the cards on the table. i'm a patriots fan, thrilled with the outcome, love to blame pete carroll. we looked at the numbers on this and i think pete carroll has a point we'll show you why. you talk about the running game to remind you what the setup was here. this is the receiver who runs the slant. this is butler the patriot's player that makes the game winning interception. everybody says you have marshawn lynch, one of the best running backs of all of football can't he get one yard? it seems very logical. but take a look at this. when you look at what happened during the course of the season marshawn lynch, the running back tore the seattle seahawks had five carries from the other team's one yard line all season. five times he was in that exact same situation and did what everybody is saying, they gave marshawn lynch the ball. what happened? one touchdown. other plays, two one yard losses and two carries for no game. in that exact same spot in the course of the season you had a 20% success rate. it's not necessarily a sure thing. >> but it was second down they still had two other chances. that said what about the slant pass that they did throw and the odds of that working? >> that's the other thing, if you look at the numbers on that we can cycle over. from the one yard line this season in the entire nfl. there were 108 passes that were thrown from the 1 yard line. 108 pass plays before the play on sunday night. of those 108 passes zero were interceptions. if you're the seattle seahawks and as you say they get a couple of chances here they have a time out here. if you're going to hand it off to marshawn lynch every time the defense is going to be ready every single play. if you throw one time there, you have a pretty good success rate here and still run the next down. >> and in terms of the red zone play, you as a patriots fan, i believe actually think that belichick made a worse decision in the final moment. >> i think he did. he was screaming at the tv literally until the second the interception happened. the play before the interception marshawn lynch had carried it about 4 yards from the 5 yard line to justin side the 1 yard line. that set up critical play. here was the key, there's a minute and two on the clock and the patriots had two time-outs, i'm screaming and every patriot fan is screaming to belichick, take the time out. the chances are overwhelming the seahawks get in the end zone. if you're the patriots what you need then is time 45 seconds, whatever you can get to come down the other side of the field and get in field goal range. that's where the percentages were if you're the patriots and he let it go down and down and needing 1 in 100,000 interception. it reminds me of don't confuse favorable outcomes with big decisions. >> i think the reason why belichick was frozen in place, still trying to get over that circus catch a few minutes earlier. thank you, you can watch "up with steve" weekends at 8:00 a.m. >> why is a congressman channelling a pop star? 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>> truly. he touches almost every speech domestic foreign, whatever. that's how well he knows the president's thinking and how deeply he's involved in the messaging and deeply involved he is in policy. >> speaking of 2016 and hillary staffing up in this shadow campaign, jeb bush continuing this march towards a most likely announcement, he was at the detroit economic club interesting venue with a serious policy speech. jonathan, he also addressed the whole question of the bush name pluses and minuses. >> i love my dad. my dad is the greatest man alive. if anybody disagrees, we'll go outside unless you're like 6'5" earn 250 and much younger than me. then we'll negotiate. i'll still not change my mind for sure. i love my brother and i think he's been a great president. it doesn't bother me a bit to be proud of them and love them but i know for a fact if i'm going to be successful going beyond the consideration, that i'm going to have to do it on my own. >> so the human side of jeb bush showing his ability in answering an important question he has to deal with. >> i thought that that response was perfect, acknowledging the fact that yes, i have a famous last name and yes, i'm the brother and son to two foormer presidents and you know my family's name but you don't know me yet. it's my job to have you learn about me and stand on my own two feet. it will be interesting and kind of fun to watch governor bush try to do that. it's going to be very difficult especially since his brother, the former president was in office not relatively not that long ago. >> and i want to ask both of you about decorating tips if you will. jeanne i mean it is if you ran a time of frugalty from the republican side and here you've got aaron shock, the illinois congressman redecorating his house office to try to look like downton abbey. look at the pictures we know how nonscript they are. he spend $100,000 of taxpayer money apparently and went on this decorating -- >> representative shock is different. he is different. he's very young and came to congress when he was 27 years old. he's now in his early 30s and he is an instagram master sends pictures of himself hiking lifting weights. >> a different young cutting edge congressman. this apparently he says he's never seen downton abbey so this maybe a decorating accident that he now will pay for with his own money because ethics issues have been raised around this. >> the deck ratder told the "washington post" that the inspiration was downton abbey, this is the youngest member of congress. the oldest one tweeted today, my congressional office had more of an unintentional antiques road show type of decor to it. >> the other thing jeanne didn't say about the congressman, he's very stylish. this is a person who's been pictured in men's fashion magazines and has the infamous photo of him in a white jeans and turquoise belt and purple gingham shirt. he's someone who i look to and adds mir for his fashion sense. his former office when i first met him was also beautifully tastefully done. i'm not surprised by his new decoration. i'm just surprised that it cost so much. >> to be continued. >> jeanne and jonathan thank you. don't add just your television sets yes, that is a polar bear or at least a very real looking puppet seen roaming the streets of london town making friends with children and enemies with a poodle puppy. in other cases fitting right in with londoners on the tube and on the street. even willing to take a selfie as you can see. it's part of a viral marketing campaign for a new british tv crime drama set in an arctic town, believe it or not, inside that puppet polar bear are two puppeteers bringing the barear to life. smarter than the average bear indeed. they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ (dad) we lived... thanks to our subaru. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru. ring ring!... progresso! it's ok that your soup tastes like my homemade. it's our slow simmered vegetables and tender white meat chicken. apology accepted. i'm watching you soup people. make it progresso or make it yourself winter is hard on your face. the start of sneeze season. and the wind-blown watery eyes. that's why puffs plus lotion is gentle on sensitive skin. so you can always put your best face forward. a face in need deserves puffs indeed. and try puffs softpack today. female announcer: don't wait for presidents' day to save on a new mattress. sleep train's presidents' day sale is on now! save up to $300 on beautyrest and posturepedic. even get three years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. plus, free delivery, set up, and removal of your old set. and sleep train's 100 day money back guarantee. keep more presidents in your wallet. sleep train's presidents' day sale is on now! ...guaranteed! ♪ sleep train ♪ ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ that does it for us, thanks for being with us director dr. tony fauci and we'll talk to charlie ebersole. 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