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MSNBCW AM Joy December 15, 2019

Impeachment case will be dead on arrival. And that he essentially he, the jury foreman, plans to coordinate the Upcoming Senate trial with its defendant. And everything i do during this, i am coordinating with white house counsel. There will be no difference between the president s position and our position as to how to handle this. So yesterday on this show, i made the analogy of the upcoming trump impeachment trial to the o. J. Simpson trial in which a man who many people believed was guilty was instead acquitted. With that acquittal becoming meaningness for a lot of his fellow citizens. Overnight a friend sent me a tweet by professor kendi that i think sums it up even better because the outcome of the o. J. Simpson trial was indeed in doubt. No one knew what that verdict was going to be until it happened. Whereas trumps trial in that trial, to quote professor kendi, its becoming like a jim crow trial. Deep down everyone knows everything. Everyone knows the racist defendant is guilty. Everyone knows the allwhite jury is going to quickly acquit. Everyone knows that the exonerated defendant will continue to break the law. Joining me to discuss is someone who will be voting on articles of impeachment this week. Minnesota Representative Ilhan Omar who serves on the Foreign Affairs committee. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. When i saw that text overnight, the tweet sent to me by a friend, it was jarring because i was thinking of an o. J. Trial situation. But its true. No one knew how that jury was going to vote. Thats why it was a surprise. This is almost like one of those old south jury trials where the jurors go in, ha, ha, ha, were never going to convict this guy. That is shocking to me thats happening now. What do you make of it as somebody thats going to vote in the house side . In the situation you describe, in the sweet you can clearly see injustice will take place. And what i think the American People get to witness is a party that has decided to make a mockery of the constitution. These are Leaders Within the senate who are abdicating their responsibility and their oath. If you were being selected as a juror for a case, and you essentially said you were planning to acquit, you would be excused. Right. And so it is important for us to recognize that these are essentially jurors. You know, the republicans have along this whole process decided that they were not going to be a fair and impartial juror. Theyve complained about the process even though every single piece of that process was out in the open and done within the rules of the house. And now you even have Mitch Mcconnell say that he is going to work with the defendants lawyers. Can you imagine if jurors in the case said, well, i mean, were just going to communicate. Right. With the defendants lawyer. Yeah. And decide what the defense should be and how we should behave. And so it is really alarming, and it should be alarming to everyone that is paying attention. And i think it is the responsibility of the American People to hold the senators accountable to make sure that they are having their voices heard and to require that this process, this constitutional process is carried out impartially. Lindsey graham is particularly galling for a lot of people because he has been such a hypocrite on this. He was one of the leaders of wanting to see bill clinton impeached. He was out there railing against president clinton when president clinton was impeached for lying to officials who questioned him about a sexual affair. Something that for most americans was a trivial reason to impeach a president. This was Lindsey Graham back in 1998. And here he is back in 1998. I know what people want to do with this case. I know they want to get it over. I know many of them dont want the president to be impeached. But i have got a duty far greater than just getting to the next election. The problem is that i am expecting the other side to engage the facts, and they havent. And i am just blown away by that. Im going to play just one more for the congresswoman. Heres another sound bite of Lindsey Graham back in 1998. Some people have said i wont vote for impeachment. Some house members have said i will not vote for an impeachment. Let me tell you, please dont say that until you understand what youre voting on. Members of the senate have said i understand everything there is about this case and i wont vote to impeach the president. Please allow the facts to do the talking. People have made up their mind in a political fashion that will hurt this country long term. And yet in 1998, im old enough to remember that we were it was still not clear what the outcome of that vote would be. There was no guaranteed outcome. Despite the fact that democrats had the votes to acquit the president. There was never a statement that this was a foregone conclusion. This time there is. For a lot of people who have followed the senator, they place a lot of respect on the way he would conduct himself. And in this particular moment, the way that he has flipflopped and decided to abdicate his oath of office is quite shameful. Let me just give you one slight example. So the house serves as a grand jury. The prosecutor in this case, if we say like adam schiff would be the prosecutor, he brings the case. You have the liberty of bringing in a lot of different evidence. We get to decide as the grand jury if the case is if there is enough evidence for the case to move forward. Right. Now that is very different than the responsibility a jury has within our constitution. And the jurors in this case are the senators. Yeah. And so the responsibility we have in the house is much more different and much more greater than to the one that the senators have. And i just want the American Public to recognize that. This is the Republican Party that constantly talks about the importance of the constitution. And they are choosing party over the constitution. They are choosing a lawless president over our constitution. And they are setting up our country to be one that is not going to be the beacon of democratic processes in the world, as it has been for generations. I think about in the case of Richard Nixon when members of his own party decided that they could not acquit him. They went to him and told him so. They said we cannot acquit you. You are guilty and im going to have to vote to convict you. You will be convicted. So they had a different response when they knew what the outcome would be in their jury was to say to their fellow republican, you really have a choice now of whether to go ahead and go through this. But im telling you, i cannot acquit you and then he resigns. We have many examples of that from both parties, right, throughout our history. Where people have put their country over their country before their party. But what is happening right now, its quite alarming and it is disheartening and for people like myself and jayapal as she held that constitution, there are people around the world who look up to our country, who say for processes to work, for democracy to exist, you have to look towards america. And i just want to make sure that the American People realize what this would mean for our standing in the world. Im glad you said that. Both of our families come from, you know, came to this country from elsewhere. Yes. And, you know, my parents are no longer with us, and i think they would be appalled to see what this country that they really revered for those principles has become. My father is still around and is completely shocked because we werent even around when the clinton impeachment case was going on in the United States and he understood that this is a process that is going to take place and can only take place in here. In this country. In this country. The thing thats most frightening, and im very interested to hear your response to this, is that in this specific case, what republicans would be voting no on is Donald Trumps refusal to obey their own body. And it strikes me in other countries where you have a legislature that has no power. So these guys are saying we have no power. Only he has power. He is essentially a king. This is monarchism which i never thought if any country would never have monarchists in it, i thought it would be the United States. And the senators really are rubber stamping that sort of thought process by saying were swiftly going to move this. Were going to work to dismiss it. We are not impartial. We are going to listen to our leader. We have, in this country, a balance of power. Our framers and founders and the writers of our constitution knew the dangers that could exist if there was no check on the executive power. Yeah. And so you have a president who has clearly decided to obstruct congress with the approval of his party members. And i want to ask you a couple other things while i still have you here. Were also in this moment, and you faced it even with your opponent, having to be banned on twitter for the threatening things that she has said about you. You have faced the torrent of incoming hatred thats been spewed out by this president. How do you process that . As somebody who is a political leader, who has pushed forward in the front. Theres a new version of the squad. They want to make a right wing version of it. All white women on fox the other day. Theres a brand around you thats made you a target. Even if your reelection. We just had members of the navy during the Army Navy Football game flashing what looked like the white power sign. How do you process that as somebody who is an elected official, and how do your constituents process it . I mean, hateful rhetoric is very dangerous and its becoming synonymous with the Republican Party. They have refused to condemn and distance themselves from members within their party that have threatened my life and the lives of others. That have caused the deaths of people in this country who follow their message and have put their names, the names of our president and many of the Republican Leaders in their manifestos as they have taken innocent lives. But what we have to remember is we dont have to be that. We dont have to be that country. And so my message has always been love trumps hate. We have a lot of compassion to go around. I recently sent a letter to the judge who is going to decide how long one of the people who have threatened my life will serve will be in jail. And asked him to really think about the kind of message we want to send. We want redemption for people. I believe everyone can be rehabilitated. And its really important for us to send a message to the Younger Generation that we want you back. We are a community. Our country thrives on its diversity. Our unity is much more greater and could be much more greater than it is at the moment. This president is going to be president for a short period of time. We are going to be a country much longer than him. And thats what we have to remember. And thats what my constituents remind me every time i am back home. That we are a family, and we should continue to move as a family. We might bicker, right . But this idea that you are supposed to hate and wish death upon people isnt what families do. Before i let you go, i want to end on a positive note. Youre trying to do something positive for young people thats very important. This is about another issue we havent even gotten to because were so fixated on what donald trump is doing and thats trying to cut off this school to prison pipeline to make sure that young people are allowed to go through school, that black and brown children who are particularly targeted can have a chance. Tell us about that. As weve said, right, we can both investigate, litigate, legislate. We can do all those three things. And my colleague Ayana Pressley and i and Bonnie Watson coleman have introduced a piece of legislation called push out act because we theres an epidemic, a crisis in our schools where young black women and young women of color in general are facing harsher punitive punishments for asserting themselves into classroom discussions or showing up with hair that might not be deemed appropriate by the mainstream culture. And were saying our young girls deserve safety and opportunity to thrive in their schools as everyone else does. And we are going to make sure that there are guidelines for schools to follow and there is an incentive for them to do the right thing. Lets hope we get a senate eventually that will take up legislation like that should it pass the house. Ilhan omar, its always a pleasure. Thank you so much for being here. More a. M. Joy after the break. 1 in 5 people you meet wear dentures. Yeah. That many but right now, is not the time to talk about it. So when youre ready, search my denture care. Poligrip and polident. Fixed. Fresh. And just between us. Do you recall, not long ago we would walk on the sidewalk all around the wind blows we would only hold on to let go blow a kiss into the sun we need someone to lean on blow a kiss into the sun we needed somebody to lean on all we need is someone to lean on for the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. 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That dossier, the steele the dossier steele compiled and all its details burst into public view when buzzfeed published it in january of 2017, just ten days before trumps inauguration. And it is still having an impact or 2016, before the inauguration. Its still having an impact just days before trump is set to be impeached. When we come back, ill talk with the founders of fusion gps who reveal new detail about the steele dossier in their book. You do not want to miss it. Limu emu doug and now for their service to the community, we present limu emu doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] its an honor to tell you that Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. And now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Well, audreys expecting. Twins grandparents we want to put money aside for them, so. Change in plans. Alright, lets see what we can adjust. 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