trump tried to rebrand as the winter white house where people can rub elbows with trump and the membership fee was doubled to $200,000 when he became eno gets to schmooze with him is under new scrutiny. just two weeks ago robert kraft, the owner of the new england patriots and a friend of trump's was charged with soliciting prostitution at a south florida day spa which he denies. the miami herald is reporting the woman who founded that day spa li cindy yang snagged this selfie at trump's west palm beach country club last month. mother jones reports yang who made campaign donations to trump runs an investment business that's offered to sell chinese clients access to the president and his family. we should note yang no longer owns the spa linked to robert kraft's alleged crime and was not charged in the investigation. nbc has not confirmed reporting from the miami herald and mother jones. we reached out to the white house and yang for comment on friday but didn't get a response. joining me now, two of the reporters who broke the stories. david korn of mother jones and nicholas of the miami herald. where this began was with ms. yang and the businesses she started, some of which she flipped and sold. give us the rundown of the story and your reporting. >> ms. yang is a chinese immigrant who came to south florida and started a chain of day spas around 2007. one would become the infamous orchids of asia spa where mr. kraft was busted as part of a larger human trafficking ring. ms. yang said she sold the spa several years ago, had nothing to do with it. my colleague was looking through corporate records related to the spa, found ms. yang's name, started backgrounding her and show she spent what seemed to be a fair amount of time with president trump at his various private clubs and other top florida republicans. >> when you say spending time with them because she's a donor? what's her relationship to the republican party? >> well, she's a member of a political action committee for asian-american republicans. she seems to have access to the president's private clubs including mar-a-lago and trump international west palm beach although she said she's not a member and she is certainly a fundraiser and donor to the campaign. she told us she has no relationship with the president, that she's a volunteer. and she just attends some events. >> has she been a politically active republican for a long time? >> she has not. she began donating to jeb bush at the end of 2015 when he was running for the president. then she transitioned to a supporter of president trump. that seemed to awaken a huge political impulse in her since 2016. her facebook presence, her social media presence has been almost exclusively devoted to republican politics as well as her consulting business which started a little bit later in which david and mother jones and we as well have been reporting on subsequently. >> let's bring in david and talk about some of the additional reporting here. we know per the miami herald ms. yang arranged for a group of chinese business executives to attend a paid fundraiser for president trump in new york city at the end of 2017. your reporting is about this other company, this investment company that's apparently pitching to clients. on a page displaying a photo yang's company said its activities for clients included providing the opportunity to interact with the president, the american minister of commerce and other political figures. tell us about this company and what is the relationship to all of her other businesses. >> it seems she was involved in the massage parlor industry in florida and set up a completely different entity that she promoted in chinese. the website is mainly in chinese. she's literally selling access to trump and his family members. it says clearly that if you retain her company, she will get you close to trump at mar-a-lago or that she can arrange white house and capitol hill dinners. the website is full of pictures of her and also her clients, presumably with trump relatives, with donald trump jr., with trump's sister who is very low profile at events in washington. with elaine chao, the transportation secretary, wilbur ross, the commerce department secretary. it couldn't be more of a classic case of pay to play. give her money and somehow she gets you in the room with these people. her clientele seems to be chinese business executives. in fact, there was a chinese business executive who led a company that lid ledid electric that came to mar-a-lago new year's looking to meet trump. instead met members of the family because trump was in washington for the shutdown. he told yahoo! finance news separately in a story that came out previously that a p.r. company set up a meeting for him. he didn't identify the company. it wasn't in the story. seems to have been her company. it seems this massage parlor owner previously has been able to get her clients into mar-a-lago and into meetings in washington with members of the trump administration for pay. >> to stay with you for a moment, david, ms. yang's facebook page is offline. but before he was taken down it had photos not just with donald trump and selfies she took with him at a football game, but with sarah palin, elaine chow, matt gets and other people. were the photo opportunities this woman getting near the people, taking a picture to market it to her clients that she could get them in rather than a genuine relationship with these people? >> i think we still don't know exactly what her relationship is. she was very active in republican party politics as a donor and volunteer. some people she may have known looked like meet and greets where she snapped a photo. the most important photos are the ones on the website that shows she had the ability to get chinese executives in the room. as you know, joy, a photo with the president or the president's son or president's sister, particularly a sister that's not well known, is something that chinese executives and everybody else can use back home to show they have influence in the united states whether it's true or not. i have to credit my colleagues dan schulman and dan freeman who were on the story with me. it was a real team effort. >> there's been a lot of reporting around this. her donations to come back to you, nicholas, according to the miami herald she and her family have contributed more than $42,000 to trump victory, the pac. more than $16,000 to the president's campaign. there are photos of her at a pro israel event at mar-a-lago. one would think if donald trump was president already when the photo was taken she would need to be cleared, go through security clearance like you have to do when you visit the white house. do you have any reporting on how she was able to get into an event like that if she's saying she has no relationship personally to the president and all of the others she's been with are denying it. how would she get through the security clearance to take a picture with the family? >> there was a report this year that said people who are going to be in the same room or near the president for a planned purpose at mar-a-lago have to have an enhanced background check. the white house and the trump campaign didn't respond when we asked what vetting ms. yang would have had to go through. she certainly has been at mar-a-lago. it seemed she would have been on a guest list to get into this event and would have had to go through some level of background check. but no one has come forth to answer what would have went into such a background check specifically as it applies to ms. yang. >> staying with you, nicholas, if a background check had been conducted, what would that background check have found out about her past business dealings in the massage parlor industry and its connection to potential trafficking or sexual activity, i should say. >> ms. yang has no police record, no charges brought against her. in that sense it may not have come up with anything but perhaps it would have or investigators would have seen she was promising to sell access to the president, his family, and his advisers with her investment consulting business. perhaps that might have raised a red flag for someone in government or at the trump organization. >> some of the big questions that we need to answer here is whether she had anybody she was working with at mar-a-lago, trump's inner circle, within trump's family that was helping her sell this access and get people in. maybe she was doing it completely on her ownership. any time you are looking at getting foreign business executives in close proximity to the president and his family, there are obviously national security concerns there. espionage concerns. the people she's bringing in to mar-a-lago or meetings in the white house or in d.c., are they being vetted and cleared? so i don't want to be overly concerned about this, but there is still an element of concern here about her access, people she's putting in the proximity of the president and whether there is something to worry about from a national security perspective. >> david, to that very point, this is an administration that's been quite cleptocratic. you can join mar-a-lago for $200,000 and get access. jared kushner's sister was spotlighted for apparently making pitches to attract $100 million in financing for a jersey city financing development at the ritz carlton in beijing about whether or not there would be the opportunity to get access to help with visas et cetera. there is a sense around the white house that this is a thing people may freelance to try and do. >> of course. there is a question about security at mar-a-lago. there is a question about trump's ability to keep secrets and not tell whoever is in his vicinity. i think she's obviously what you would call from a journalism perspective, a person of interest. i am sure now with the interest she's gained that other people within the national security apparatus is probably taking a look to see if there is anything else here. i think it definitely is a story that deserves more digging to see if there is anything deeper going on here than just a massage parlor owner selling access to chinese to the president's family. in and of itself that's maybe a great florida story. >> speaking of great florida stories and horrible and tragic stories, nicholas, back on the idea of what robert kraft was busted for, what reporting do you have on whether or not there's going to be deeper investigation into the potential that women are being trafficked, abused, subjected to prostitution at places like the one that ms. yang founded that we should make a point she doesn't own anymore. there are a lot of these kinds of operations going on in south florida and around the country. >> yeah. human trafficking is a major concern at these massage parlors. we know the investigation is still ongoing. it is important to note that no human trafficking charges have been brought yet at this point. investigators are still trying to find women to cooperate with the investigation. you know, kind of fill in how they may have been trafficked from around the country and abroad into these florida massage parlors. that's a difficult thing to do. we know for instance homeland security investigations, the federal agency is involved in the probe now. but for the moment, the investigation continues. >> we know the miami herald will stay on the story. david corn will stay on stories about selling access. thank you both for being here. coming up, paul manafort heads back to court. we'll tell you about the next round of team trump crime wrach next. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist. we all make excuses 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speak for himself. he clearly accepts responsibility for his conduct and i think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. >> donald trump's former campaign manager paul manafort returns to a d.c. courtroom wednesday and things could go differently than they did last week in virginia. manafort will come face to face with judge amy berman jackson who unlike judge ellis has been anything but sympathetic to him. manafort faces up to ten years in prison. it's a business week ahead for many donald trump associates and for judge jackson. on thursday, roger stone returns to her courtroom for an appearance on the gag order she imposed on him. joining me now, natasha bertrand from the atlantic and mimi rocka, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. manafort is charged with a lot. there is a lot going on in his life. let's remind folks of what he's been accused of. he's been accused of sharing trump polling data with a russian associate tied to the kremlin, helping to elect ukraine's -- russia's man in the ukraine which he's not charged with but it is a part of his history. there is a ukrainian peace plan that was floated that supposedly would help to ease russian sanctions, sanctions against russia. of course the trump campaign gutting the gop's anti-russian plank. that's the only thing they changed in the platform. what might one expect judge jackson taking in paul manafort's history, which is anything but blameless, and the history of the way people have been charged in things like watergate. liddy got four years for conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping. e. howard hunt, burglary and conspiracy, 33 months. john dean turned states evidence and got four months. john mitchell, h.r.haldeman down to one of the burglars, james mccord who got just four months. what would be the reasonable expectation of the sentence maufpaul manafort may get in the second round of sentencing? >> paul manafort is facing sentencing on two different conspiracy counts each carrying a maximum of five years. judge jackson could give him up to ten years. she cannot go above that. that's different from the guidelines. that's a statutory maximum. will she give that much time? hard to say. the other discretion she has is whatever sentence she imposes she can make all of it, some or none of it run consecutive to what manafort got from judge ellis, meaning on top of it. or in parallel with it. now, look, here's the thing. as we all know, judge ellis' sentence had nothing to do with russian collusion. that's the problem. trump is reading into it saying judge ellis affirmed that manafort had nothing do with russian collusion. that's not true. it had nothing to do with it. he didn't say anything one way or the other. the case where judge jackson is sentencing him gets closer to the heart of the issue. he's not charged per se with russian collusion, but a lot of factors you named. a lot of the conduct goes more to the heart of it. it's more serious in that sense. she's also going to be looking at him as a person as someone who committed obstruction while he was under these charges. so i think at the end of the day, i don't think he'll get the full ten years. i think he will get more substantial of a sentence than he got from judge ellis and she'll make it run consecutive. i think it is very important and separate conduct. >> also the public outrage. i wonder if that impacts the judge. he couldn't have done better unless he got probation from judge ellis. i wonder if in your view the judge will react to the spasm of public outrage over the brief sentence and manafort living a blameless life and the fact that his attorneys had the cheek for the sentences to run concurrently and ask for them to impose it on the next judge. >> and that manafort never apologized or took responsibility in the courtroom with ellis. it will be interesting to see what he does with judge jackson. i hope judge jackson does not take into account the public reaction in her sentence. that's, frankly, not really something a judge should do. she has more than enough in her menu of things to look at to sentence paul manafort to a high sentence he deserves without being influenced by public outrage. she's human. she's going to hear about it. she may be outraged herself, or not. i don't want judges necessarily to -- federal judges are supposed to be impervious to public opinion in that way. i think she'll judge manafort based on, you know, him and these facts and what she sees in the case and him as a person. but not necessarily because of the public outcry. >> in your reporting, just looking at the way trump world is viewing what happened with judge ellis and manafort'simpun confident are they that manafort will kind of get aawith a lot of it and maybe get a pardon as a reward? >> he's already gotten away with a lot of it in some way. there are so many secrets paul manafort will go to jail with just by virtue of the fact that he didn't cooperate with mueller's team. in many ways if there was anything the trump campaign and trump world wanted to hide with regard to what paul manafort was doing on the campaign, his communications with konstantin kilimnik, the changing of the platform at the gop convention, et cetera, et cetera. it doesn't seem we are ever going to learn about that because paul manafort lied. he not only didn't cooperate fully, he lied to the special counsel. one of the reasons why judge jackson is probably poised to give manafort a little bit -- a steeper sentence than what ellis gave him is because she saw a side of him that ellis didn't necessarily see. she saw the witness tampering. she saw he was drafting an op-ed in violation of a gag order when he first was charged with this conduct. she saw even though he wanted to forego a trial and said he would cooperate with mueller that he did the opposite of that. i think she'll take it into account but i don't think we should hold our breath on learning anything more about what he may have done and what the trump team may have known about it. we did learn something because of a redaction error about his giving polling data to konstantin kilimnik to give to whoever. we really don't know who konstantin kilimnik gave it to at this point. there seems to be a dead end there. people will find it very unsatisfying unless mueller is able to glean more information from rick gates, manafort's long-time associate he can put in the final report. >> let's go through quickly. we know we have michael flynn who attempted to float a get rid of the sanctions peace deal for ukraine potentially for financial benefit. eric prince made a stunning admission in an interview brilliantly done at al jazeera english. this is a piece of the prince interview. >> i think i was at trump headquarters or the campaign headquarters -- >> trump tower, 2016. you an israeli dude, a back channel to the saudis and don jr. >> we were there to talk about iran policy. >> isn't that something to disclose under oath? >> i did. >> you didn't. we went through the testimony. there is no mention of the trump tower meeting. >> maybe they got the crypt wrong. i haven't heard from anybody in nine months. >> if eric prince lied to the intelligence committee about whether or not he was at a trump tower meeting discussing policy could he be in legal jeopardy? >> absolutely. for possible perjury. it seems to be a blatant lie based on what he just said. second of all, it is clearly material. that's one of the requirements for perjury is it needs to be significant, important to the investigation. this obviously would be. also, again, it's why was he lying? why didn't he disclose it which from the transcript -- and they don't make mistakes like that in transcripts, let's be clear. they wouldn't leave out a topic. why didn't he disclose the meeting. what was going on at the meeting that was so nefarious he didn't want to disclose it and that could lead to other possible legal jeopardy. >> in new york again, so many things happening in the state of new york that's got its own attorney general and prosecutors. the saga continues. thank you very much. coming up, a brand new des moines register poll has new news on biden. poll has new news on biden. ♪ ♪ do you love me? ♪ ♪ i can really move ♪ ♪ do you love me? ♪ i'm in the groove ♪ now do you love me? ♪ do you love me now that i can dance? ♪ applebee's 3 course meal. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor to help you grow and protect your wealth. fidelity wealth management. freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez continues to show off her star power. she's drawing bigger crowds than any of the candidates so far. saturday she threw some serious shade at political moderates. >> it feels like moderate is not a stance. it's just an attitude toward life of, like, hmm. we view cynicism as an intellectually superior attitude. we view ambition as youthful naivety. when we think about the greatest things we have ever accomplished as a society have been ambitious acts of vision. the meh is like worshipped now. for what? >> it seems like aoc is onto something as new iowa polling shows voters align with her beliefs. why are more of them siding with the moderates? 2020 is next. g with the moderates? 2020 is next mom! he's blinking too loud. sorry, is that too loud? you don't need any more hormones in your house. that's why you chose kraft natural cheese. made with fresh milk without the added hormone rbst. it's cheese as it should be. i don't want this to be a fool's errand. what i don't want is i don't want to take people's time, effort, and commitment without there being a clear shot that i could be the nominee. >> good morning. welcome back. we're going to talk about 2020 now. let me bring in our guests. jason johnson, tiffany cross. i'm going to introduce you and make you jump in. let's talk about the des moines register poll. sounds like joe biden was on top of the field. there he is at 27%. not much movement. bernie sanders was second at 25%. elizabeth warren at 9. kamala harris at 7. beto o'rourke who is not yet running is at 5. amy klobuchar is at three as well as cory booker at three. does this tell us anything meaningful? >> it's always interesting to look into what the results suggest now. we are so far out. a little less than a year from the iowa caucuses. it reaffirming joe biden now is a real candidate and to the extent there is a front runner in the race you could look at the vice president. you don't just see it in iowa. it's in other key states across the country. joe biden seems to have the advantage. is that the same as another joe? joe lieberman in the 2004 election. i remember vividly him being ahead by double digits in a lot of polls. they used to call it joementum and it faded over time. joe biden is in a position to jump in and consolidate support behind him. perhaps stake out a front runner position and put him in a position to win the nomination early. for the democrats that might be a good thing to get a nominee sooner than later. >> remember joementum? i remember that. those were the days. tiffany cross, the polling can be weird, right? if you go back after joementum in the iowa polling in 2007, john edwards was out front. barack obama in second. hillary clinton winding up in third. barack obama ended up winning the iowa caucuses. this early on in the race, it's more name recognition than anything else. what do you make of the people outside of the top two? does anything about their position tell you where they could move? >> i have to tell you, joy, i'm not putting much credence in the iowa poll. we talked about 20 years in politics and the democratic electorate has changed. when you look at iowa, it is 90% white. new hampshire is 93% white. the fact that these two democratic primaries seem to have so much importance, i have my doubts. when you have nevada, south carolina, two states with a sizable share of voters who are people of color that carries more credence for me given the demographics in the country and to remind people in 2016, bernie sanders won new hampshire. we saw how it worked out. there are candidates who will ascend beyond these states. i don't want to dismiss joe biden. he's a formidable candidate who will eventually get in the race. i think we have to redefine what electability means. i have said it many times on the show. i will keep beating the drum that electability used to mean appealing to white swing voters. now i don't know that there are white swing voters. if you are on the fence about trump, i have questions about you. electability turns out communities of color, young people willing to get out and organize on behalf of the candidates. i think we are focusing a little bit too much on the iowa polls. i'll be more interested when nevada and south carolina votes and they are third and fourth in the primaries. >> that's probably true, but i like polls. i'm going to to us cannen oh th -- focus on them. >> me, too. >> and that's actually true. it is too early. iowa is so super white, not representative of the party. yet, i will read another one. i'm sorry. just one more. i'm going to jason. what's incoherent and this makes tiffany's point a bit. there is incoherence to the poll. the majority of people in the poll say they want biden which sounds like a safe vote. i want a safe, white male candidate who can beat trump. you ask what people care about they sound like elizabeth warren voters. taxing the wealthy, the green new deal, medicare for all polls at just under 50%. legalize recreational marijuana. free college tuition. the identity and the ideation of the voter is a divergence with the people they are picking that they like. >> as the political scientist here, i love polls, math, numbers. i have had doubts about joe biden. i said there is a difference between being viable and being electable. he's electable. he would trash trump if they were the nominee. but i don't think he's viable. i don't think joe biden can get through the democratic primary in 2020. so he's leading bernie sanders by 2%. he hasn't gotten into the race yet. iowa is about organizing. do you have people in the field to win the caucuses? i have been there. joe biden needs a team on the ground to pull it off. the lower names are interesting to me. when i look at elizabeth warren, cory booker, i look at people who look like they could jump two or three percent. if i were kamala harris, i appear to be doing well. elizabeth warren has moved ahead. maybe she'll spend more time in iowa. i don't think the poll doesn't mean anything. it doesn't mean as much in iowa as in a primary state. >> i want to stay on biden for a minute and then talk about elizabeth warren. i know we have another polling thing to talk about florida. let's do biden, a couple of issues. tiffany, the tough talk during the 1970s on bussing has come back. biden at the time said i don't buy the concept popular in the '60s which said we have suppressed the black man for 300 years and the white man is ahead in everything and now we have to give the black man a head start or hold the white man back to even the race. he told a delaware newspaper i don't buy that and opposed bussing saying it was unfair to take kids and bus them to inferior schools. now the crime bill, the thing young black voters held the most about hillary clinton who was first lady at the time. biden helped write it. here is biden defending it. >> madam president, we have predators on the street that society has, in fact, in part because of this neglect created. again, it doesn't mean because we created them that we somehow forgive them or do not take them out of society to protect my family and yours from them. they are beyond the pale, many of those people. >> problem for biden, tiffany? >> absolutely. that's another challenge with biden. he has a long legislative record that will come back and bite him. you have to remember there was an overwhelming amount of young voters new to the process engaged in the electoral process who will make their voices heard this time around. folks who may have some element of obama nostalgia are more woke than nostalgic. they'll look at things biden said on the crime bill, on bussing and also we haven't even touched the anita hill issue yet. these will be challenging things for biden to overcome with the voting electorate. they'll make up a sizable share. i don't know if it's enough to dwarf the enthusiasm around the campaign but it will present challenges for him. >> there is an interesting poll that was from one of the finest polling firms in the country. it showed something that surprised me. i think of florida as trump country. you say he's in trouble. please discuss. >> i think the central question isn't trump favorabilities. it's if trump were running for re-election do you think he deserves another four years and the voters of florida spoke clearly. 53%, joy, said no. trump does not deserve another four years as president. only 40% said yes. i think coming off of the 2018 results in florida there is a misnomer that florida is republican light. it continues to be a swing state. there is an appetite for removing the president. >> making the case that florida is still a swing state and i am wrong that it is a red state. we'll debate it over the course of the campaign. thank you very much. great talking with you. tiffany and jason will be back next hour. coming up, two veteran debate moderators will tell us what they think about candidates ditching fox. candidas te ditching fox all that usaa offes why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it 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population. people in wyoming have about 70 times the representation in the senate and 70 times of the power in the senate because ofdispari. but, if you look at throughout history, it has been more than a block impediment to progress than it has been a source of progress. it passed at the constitutional convention in summer of '17. this is one of the reasons why i want to write this book to give more realistic by no means negative. i admire a lot of what the founders did and the republic they created. i want to give people a sense of how this works. they do politics just the way it is today. passed by one vote and the people really mad and got up the next morning and wanted to do something about it but they could not figure out. >>. donald trump shows us the way it was flawed. i got to get to the top of omar. he had the little side burns. what did he do wrong? >> maybe ninth grade civic and the picture of the president across the walls and looking at these guys and he stood out because of those side burns. he was part of that undistinguished mess before abraham lincoln. he was not a good president, he was a one term president during the depression and could not get us out in the bad economy. he really is the guy who created the mod tern political party, not just in the united states but small democratic world. democrats today call their dinner with jefferson jackson dinner but they should call it his. he created the democratic party and brought together the north and south. this is not a good thing about th him. they break over the slave issue. it set the template for what our political parties are like for more than 100 years to come. our political parties we are not idealogical coherence. in the republicans, there were wall street people and populace in the late 19 sen tremendous. it was not until our lifetime that our parties become ide idealogical ly coherent. >> martin was a master mind behind the candidacy. let's talk about the market national bank. this is one of the most interesting things in your book. the root of a lot of our problems with people's financial insecurity and the wall street banks just have us over the barrel and there is nothing you can do to fight them. talk about what that case does and the insecurities that we film out economically. >> sure, this is a chapter that i devote to economics. it was an absolute defining moment and crushing event in this country's history. it is not given the recognition that it is due sometimes in political books like this one. yeah, the book moves through the 1980s to talk about how consumerism had this country grew. this chapter is called more consumers than citizens. that's what it is about and how that changed us. the market supreme court decision from 1978, amazing and very dull but incredibly important. it is not up there with brown v. board and roe v. wade. this case enables banks to you know how citi bank is in south dakota in. >> yes. >> that comes from this case. there were no credit card violences in this country. by 1970s hundreds of those. >> elizabeth warren says she needs to have a copy of this book. you can get your hands-on this copy. it is a great book, i appreciate your time. >>. >> thank you. more "am joy" after the break. no more excuses with cologuard. we all make excuses for the things we don't want to do. but when it comes to colon cancer screening... i'm not doin' that. i eat plenty of kale. ahem, as i was saying... ...with cologuard, you don't need an excuse... all that prep? no thanks. that drink tastes horrible! but...there's no prep with cologuard... i can't take the time off work. who has two days? and i feel fine - no symptoms! everybody, listen! all you need is a trip to the bathroom. if you're 50 or older and at average risk, cologuard is the noninvasive option that finds 92% of colon cancers. you just get the kit in the mail, go to the bathroom, collect your sample, then ship it to the lab! this is your year! own it! cologuard 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anything, it is none of your business anyway. >> that's a flash back to june 27, 2018. shaean hannity enforced the hirg of his friend, bill shine. there were reports that hannity lobbied trump to hire him. bill shine is out and resigning his position. why now? according to "vantty fair," trump has been not shining on him for months. trump needs someone to blame for his bad press. there is also another potential reason, shine's resignation came after days jane mayor, examines the close relationship between fox news and the white house. the report cited the lawsuit against fox have named shine and as well as allegations that shine helped to cover up against ojjer ail roger ailes and bill o'reilly. s shine denies hi wrong doing. >> the highest levels of fox news, they're not playing it straight. i do not have the confidence that we need to take such an important part of the nomination process, these debates and trust them to folks who at the top levels are consuling donald trump before they do anything. >> joining me now is carol simpson a former abc anchor, will sherman, and kirk bardelo and tim harwood. >> thank you for being here. >> the new york times is saying that bill shine is saying the reasons he's resigning, he told staff members that he was leaving for two reasons. one, he lives a solitary existence in his family because he miss his family. >> there is elements of that that are true. i was speaking to a close friend of bill shine this morning who was saying that shine really never jail and connected and enjoyed his name in the white house. given that his family lives in long island. that covers for the fact that you know in his short eight months, purely he did not preside over the image make over that donald trump wanted him to. you know i find it curious that bill shine will be positively spinning believing what's the most prestigious jobs in america or if not in the world. people held communications job at the white house went on the biggest job in p.r. this is a step down for him. he would not believing if there is not problems. the under line problems was donald trump was blaming him for the lack of positive image makeover and he was calling him bill no shine in private. this was a relationship that was not going in a good direction. i think both of them decided it would be best if he left. >> gabe, is the reelect the place where our favorite trump staffers go. is that where they are? >> yeah, that is convenient for both sides as omarosa said in the past, they offered retainers to be ginning the campaign in exchange for signing a non-disclosure agreement. i am sure it is significant where he can be paid by the campaign and still loyal to donald trump and is in the fold and not go out in the press, he's legally preventing from. >> it is paid to keep quiet which seems to be a president tern with this president. cushing, let kirt, let's go to the article. a source close to trump says that president had been complaining and china was not strict enough. trump thought he was getting roger ailes but he got roger ailes's ghoper. ail informed the trump campaign of megan kelly's question of blood coming out of her eyes or etcetera, etc. >> their foxco context gave the advanc candidates if they support the republican nominee of whatever he wants. it is striking to me that donald trump would believe that merging with fox would give him good coverage in other media entities, right, and not just on folks? is this a sense of inside trump world thinking fox is the media and they influence the way how the rest of us all cover him? >> we have seen going back to the campaign, there is no line of separation between the donald trump white house and fox news. donald trump's entire world view seems to be informed by whatever he watches on fox. when he change ls the channels d watching msnbc, he can't understand why the coverage is not mirror what he sees on fox. we see him constantly trying to put fox people in the administration or into the close relationship with the trump family and personal lives. at no point does it work and trump ever actually accept speedometers for his role and undermining any communications strategies or efforts. they can't wait to see what trump tweets and they have to give in and try to sport it in some way. there is no way you can run or get any positive coverage when that's the way you are running an operation. >> maybe trump should stop being a liar and a racist. this is a great time to lose your record when the mueller report can hit any day. >> the idea that roger ailes would have been able to fix donald trump overall strategies. somehow donald trump thinks that fox news conveys the views of the whole world and not just the views of the three or four million people who watched fox news. >> that's right. as i reported in my "vanity fair" piece, problem of donald trump is donald trump. it is unrealistic to think that if he brought in bill shine or the late roger ailes that anything is fundamentally changed. donald trump is once again not taking speedometinining respons looking at he is twitter feed for a host of problem. >> the dnc decided they're not going to use fox news based on what jane mayor wrote and the idea that fox news is not operating than an armed of the white house so they view they should not be allowed to help pick a candidate. >> let me play a reaction to chris wallace to that reaction. >> e yi think the left wing of democratic party, there is fox deerangement symptom. the idea of anything of fox news presents the debate. they're looking for an excuse and the new york article gave it to him. >> that sounds like chris wallace is sounding like in favor of the other party. he sounded a little bit about sean hannity there. >> i used to work with him in chicago, he's a real news man and a series new man. i guess you can't be in the atmosphere of fox news without accepting some of its tenants and poor chris is probably getting some of that affecting him. i don't know and i adprgree wit the dnc that they should not participate with fox in a debate. remember america, fox was supposed to be fair and balanced. it is unfair and unbalanced and why would any democrats go on there when they made it clear that the democrats are left to socialists and pinko liberals. >> it is a good decision. >> it is hard to understand what brings to the table given not a lot of democrats watching fox news. let me bring in john harwood. here is sean hannity. >> a party that's gone so far to the left, it won't hold a debate on the fox news channel. i won't be hosting, don't worry. a gutless move by democrats. >> hosting the debate is a challenge because you are going to as the moderator will get attack by one side or the other. what do you make of the idea that if the news organization itself as a whole, the arm of the opposition party, there is no way that debate can be fair even in the questions are great. >> the debate itself could be fair because chris wallace as carol indicated is a good interviewer. and so is martha mcccallum. >> the issue is not the content of the debate itself would be from the democratic perspective. they see fox news and has reported as in essence and extension of the other party and the white house that they're trying to defeat and so i think they don't want to lend authority to that voice. republican party and fox news have a common strategy which is to alarm and appeal to older white viewers and voters. as that group shrinks, the republican party and fox are forced to try ever harder and harder to alarm them which carries them further and further from a realistic discussion of the nation and its problem. the democratic party has made a decision that they don't want to ratify in a firm of movement by the fox. >> if the at the debate held in fox news, would management ensure the debate is as hard on democratic as possible. >> the moderators draft the question but this is something that is managed from the highest levels of the network's executives. so, i more agree with what john was saying. i think the individual questions themselves may have been fair. the larger point is fox is not a legitimate news organization and never was one. roger ailes spent his career as an image maker before transferring to politicians and he started fox news to tilt the media in their favor. democrats are under no obligation to give a debate. it is a privilege to host a debate. until you start acting like a news organization, we are not going to treat you as such. >> is there any change they're going to change the way they do things. the conspiracy theory lives on what's supposed to be a news organization. >> we are seeing just how some of these personalities are reacting that nothing is going to change. i don't know how anyone can expect this would be a fair debate when the people chris walsh and brett bears answered to, they talk to donald trump everyday. the faces of fox news, their primetime lineup are the ones who act like when they go to trump's rally, they're apart of the team. they have a different fox vicini vicinity. they should stand up and say this is not okay. they need to take a stand and say day in and day out of what's happening with fox. they're posed opposed to that b they're not doing that. >> it is one thing, are they going to stand up and confirm their employer but could brett baer and chris wallace and mccallum, conduct a fair debate? i believe i could. >> let me give carol the last word on that. >> the game has rigged beforeha beforehand. there is an unfair advantage ous word on that. >> margaret sullivan has done a piece now saying. she thinks they are saint tainted by it. >> what do you think carol? >> i think they are tainted. at fox news, fox news is fox news, why are people watching it when they know they're getting one side of the story. a debate which is so important and people really make decisions based on debates to have it rigged because i think it would 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industry or big pharma and now talking about a powerful populist that's influencing our policy. >> congresswoman omar prompting house democrats to pass a wide range of resolutions this week condemning all forms of bigotry. democrat leaders decided not to si send out omar. joining me now, and opinion editor for forward.com. >> welcome to the show. >> this is an issue that we talk about a lot. it is a question that ocas ocasio-cortez braised in defending omar. in response to a democratic member who says questioning relationship with israel is unacceptable. she says well, is it unsellable to question you as policies. for a lot of people that's what they believe. it is unacceptable to even question israeli foreign policy without being accused. >> this country is long overdue conversation about the u.s. is our relationships and how we can be leveling that closeness to end the occupation of palestinians. the majority of american wants to have that conversation. at the time, another wildly racist party, it is not antisemitic. >> i used to watch him. it is clear he's not in favor o f a palestinian state. if you have a problem with his policy, maybe criticize him directly without going around it by talking about the influence of aipac. >> that's the point. congresswoman omar is not having that conversation that we desperately need to have. she's not criticizing israel. she's characterizing u.s. support for is real and in the way that slips directly into the group. we as jewish people recognize. >> at the same time dean, you had the republicans with the most bridge. you also have this attack on george sorrels and bloomberg and ker kevin mccarthy are tweeting out. >> trump said yesterday democrats are jewish members. two a that says so much how unwelcoming the republican party is and to your point of ant anti-semitism. she's a must lam woman with a hijab. for me as a muslim, i am not going to debate what antisemitism is. i want to move onto talk about my family and occupation and marginalize in our medi pundent. >> you cmake a good point, something like 80 to 85% of jewish voters voted democrats going back to the 1930s. it is not just this is a republican right wing constituency. it does feel like a think pathy media and the general public. >> 85% of americans oppose to the occupation. sometimes in the community is you have an unwillingness to be vocal about that because they feel there is anti-semitism. president trump's closeness with benjamin netanyahu -- and so he has unleashed the american jewish community and urgency about the palestinian issue. >> that's what i am seeing. >> from my community, the jew community has been integrated with the civil rights movement to the point that's move. the jewish people were conspireing to make the black people evolve. it is always proceed as a liberal community. now you have the attempt to drag it to the right. i wonder if there is an palestinian who's now elected and ju issue coalition that can have real conversation about peace. >> i have never seen more interphase between muslim and jewish. we have seen objective spikes and hate crimes against both kmu communities. trump supporters who attacked the people of our community. on that level, we are closer together. sometimes and the only issue that i think the discussion of the middle east and how do we get to this place. if you do not believe israel should exist, -- >> i don't think that by the way. >> we'll have that now. if you say there should not be palestinian, you should be marginalize as a bigot and a racist. we should be guarded from those channels. you are not getting closer to a just peace of the people. >> are the democrats making a mistake allowing this to become an interparty war? >> i have to say i completely agree with you. the republicans have zero standing to be criticizing representative omar or pretending to stand up for jews. president trump sold an anti-semitism and he has not apologize for that. and mccarthy did not apologize for that. that does not mean the democrats should not enforce a zero tolerance of bigotry which is what they did this week. >> notable. >> the votes were old. >> we want to have you both back. we want to talk about this issue. jared kushner is doing it but i don't know if it is serious. it is the only fair thing as human beings. >> yes, thank you very much. >> great to finally meet you. thank you very much, coming up, the chair of the house intelligence committee puts donald trump on notice and they soon want him under oath? what? details straight ahead. raight ad you need insurance. but it's not really something you want to buy. it's not sexy. or delicious. or fun. but since you need both car and home insurance, why not bundle them with esurance and save up to 10%? which you can spend on things you really want to buy, like... well, i don't know what you'd wanna buy because i'm just a guy on your tv. esurance. it's surprisingly painless. sarah's last tuition payment, 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manafort lived a blameless life. he's being sent for another crime next week. and it is a crime he committed while on house arrest while on a third crime. from any one els. why accept it from your allergy pills? most pills don't finish the job because they don't relieve nasal congestion. flonase sensimist is different. it relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it's more complete allergy relief. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist helps block six key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. and six is greater than one. flonase sensimist. it felt what tremaine described. >> it was indeed a heart attack and because i watched the segment that i knew what was going on. probably the best way to get the truth would be to put the president under oath. because he feels he's perfectly fine to lie to the public after all he said it is not like i am talking before a magistrate, well, maybe he should talk before a magistrate. >> the mueller's investigation is entering the final stage. >> um, should he? probably is plausible, let me be this morning, the man of the center of ate you will testifies emphatic. before the grand jury. hell no, he'll not do this. jason johnson and tiffany plaus? bill clinton did not do this. that's when he got caught for saying he didn't have sex with blah, blah -- a president of the united states, a sitting president coming to testify before the congress on either side of the capitol, i just don't know any precedent for that and it would be highly unusual that he would use exactly what i just said as a bapti basis for not testifying. at some point that bust has to hit either a parking spot or a wall. he's going to be compel and testify some how some way and whether or not he knew anything about that. that's going to happen. >> not only bill clinton testified of the monica lewinsky affair. he's still testifying in a grand jury case more than 200 people indicted and more than 100 people convicted. that's a mystery for you nerds out there. adam schiff, let me play one more piece of him. he talks about the crux of the russia/gates scandal which donald trump wants to make some cash. >> it explains or potentially explain the president's bizarre affinity for vladimir putin, that stood he makes more deal with vladimir putin. when we leaves for office, he still want to build this tower while it is not criminal but corrupt. >> if what donald trump is trying to do is corrupt the earned money, it is not pr perimeter al. >> yeah, you know again i think his basis with him regardless. this is what i found interesting during the michael cohen testimony and you have all the republicans accusing michael cohen of lying. the thing they were accusing him lying about was this trump tower/moscow deal. just like schiff said, this was why he was giving all these praise on vladimir putin because he had a million dollars reason to. well, you already lied of the trump toweris base and republicans. you saw how republicans on the right side of the oversight committee used their time during that hearing. it will put some fire and enthusiasm on the left side of politics, the left side politically and right side morally. >> they did not spend a lot of time looking on that check that michael cohen brought as corroboration, he brought the receipts. >> exactly. >> let me go to jason, one more on adam schiff on "meet the press" earlier today. this is what people have in mind. >> i also think the special counsel feels some time pressure to conclude his work and knowing that the white house would drag out a fight over the subpoena that may be an issue as well. >> and especially, it looks like the mueller probe was turning to the trump's children. >> joy, i don't think that robert mueller cares anything of our timeline. politically speaking, everyone wants to predict he's going to finish it right before midterm or spring or valentine's day and ruin anything. i don't know robert mueller cares. i am going to continue with this investigation until i am done. i am dpoigoing give so much evie to continue their own cases that this administration will be wrapped up in a lawsuit until 2021. >> will donald trump's base even care if mueller produce jail time? >> we know who's defending who here. 35% or 40% of the country, less than that if you are in south carolina, they're going to defend donald trump no matter what. he could go on fifth avenue and shoots someone and thell be like yeah, but they deserve it. it does not matter what donald trump does or whether the sun rises, it does not matter if the cost of milk goes up or down. donald trump is a god pleasing people. i understand that's perfectly fine but i don't agree with you. in the end, the rule of law, america is always bigger than anyone bigot, she always has been. let's talk about julian castro, he seems to stake his claim on this issue of slavery and trying to establish some meat on his campaign. let's play a little bit of him on cnn defending that stance and contrasting it with bernie sanders. >> it is interesting to me that when it comes to medicare for all, healthcare, the response there has been we need to write a big check that when it comes to tuition free or debt free college, the answer has been we need to write a big check. and so if the issue is compensating the descendants of slaves, i don't think the argument about writing a big check august to be the argument that you make if you are making an argument that a big check needs to be written for a whole bunch of other stuff. >> that kind of argument resonates when you talk to vot r votes? >> he showed some of that to my students. students are a small focus group, they have been impressed. the greatest weakness of bernie sanders c sanders' campaign is his ability to connect with african-american voters. i will also say this, there are tons of people out there that study reparations. i don't expect to get a che check any time soon. >> i am ready. >> i would not go on twitter for about four days. >> let me go back to tiffany cross now. i am just saying. >> biography is -- >> you don't like twitter, you don't want to be on twitter. >> if it is not that, it is tiffany. >> "game of thrones" is coming back and you don't know anything about it. >> that's right. >> the fight for the african-american vote israel. we have elizabeth warren and you have beto coming in running strongly for african-american in texas. you have bernie sanders trying to read up his biography. he was not apart of it. does anyone have kind of an insight track right now because we have kamala harris and cory booker. >> i think the question that black voters are asking, is not how black are you but how black are your policies. people have questions about everybody from cory booker and senator kamala harris, it shows that black people are not a homogenous group. so i think it is great that people have to work to get black voters and we are separatedd geographically. i think castro is not getting more attention, i wish that he would get attention across the network. >> jason johnson is going to create a brand new twitter profile. >> up next, it is time for who won for the week? e week limu's right. liberty mutual can save you money by customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh... yeah, i've been a customer for years. huh... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ thanksmrs. murphy. unitedhealthcare, hi, i need help getting an appointment with my podiatrist. how's wednesday at 2? i can't. dog agility. ñ. tuesday at 11? nope. robot cage match. how about the 28th at 3? done. with unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans, including the only plans with the aarp name, there's so much to take advantage of. from scheduling appointments to finding specialists, it's easier to get the care you need when you need it. all right, you know what time it is, it is time to answer the question you have all been asking. wait a minute, who won the week? >> i am to start at the table with dean obidawa. >> the luge of the week, all the bibles that trump signed. it's raining today because jesus is crying. >> if your name is not matthew, mark, luke, john, don't sign the bible. >> something about himself in it. the big winner of the week was a document from 1787, the united states constitution because this week we saw what the framers intended on article 1, congressional oversight. we saw joel nadler, the chair of house judiciary sent out requests to 80 people, entities to find out about more of trump's corruption and abuse of power. you had chairman cummings. why did trump overrule intel agencies including the cia? he overruled the cia! then we learned the house ways and means committee is on the verge of getting his tax returns. trump's response is to squeal like guilty people do. >> you're a lawyer. there's a thing you do which is the r. kelly. when you get up and freak out. >> they don't attack people who are investigating them, innocent people. >> it's a good nominee for who won the week. it's a sound and solid argument, but in the world there is jimmy jam and terry lewis. there is jimmy buffet and then there is jimmy williams here on the "am joy" show. and what they don't have is who won the week and jimmy williams does? >> sadly, paul manafort won the week. >> what? >> broke virtually dozens of laws, is about to be tried for breaking even more american laws and he got less than four years in jail because the judge felt like he has lived a virtuous life, which i can't believe i just said that about someone named paul manafort. this is simple. it's a tragedy. it's an american tragedy what happened with paul manafort getting 47 months considering how many kids, how many african-americans are sitting in our jails today in america rotting to death over something far less trivial, far stupider than this. this man violated the constitution of the united states repeatedly and is about to be tried for even more of those and what happened? he gets four years in jail. he will not die in jail. that's a win. whereas, many americans will die in jail because they got caught three times smoking pot. we have to do something about this and i'm going to stand on my soapbox and say we've got to change our criminal justice laws for the better. what they just did was not enough when paul manafort can get off scott free. this is a tragically. >> club fed for probably three years. we'll see what the next judge does. >> right. >> if he wins the week next week. let's move on to tiffany cross. ga "game of thrones" afficionado. who won the week? >> who won the week is chance the rapper, meek mill, fat joe, yo gadi and 21 savage and killer mike. they all filed an a.micus briefing to defend a rapper who was found guilty of making threats to two police officers in a rap song. now i'm not defending the rapper by any means. if i were his lawyer i would advise him not to do that, however, it's a very slippery slope when you start infringing on first amendment, free speech rights. i think it was great for this group of hip-hop artists. the average age of the justices is 66 years old. hip-hop is filled with allegory and poetry. i think it's disproportionately scrutinized when you look at other genres of music including country music. when you look at rock music. there are all types of controversial lyrics. i thought these guys were brilliant in becoming a part of the system. they could have tweeted about it, rapid about it which all would have been perfectly fine ways to address it. the fact that they entered the system, disrupted it, said, whoa, you cannot find a rapper guilty based on music. we stand up for this rapper. i thought it was great. i commend those guys for doing it. we've had some disagreement with killer mike on this show before. i'm happy to say he won the week this time. thank you, killer mike. >> let's give it up for killer mike. 21 savage, i believe his immigration case is moving on a case. that's another thing, standing up. black immigrants don't get enough attention. god bless him for that. these are all good choices. but i think i have one that might be just a little bit better because this was so epic. what this woman did was so iconic that it went viral this week. my candidate for who won the week. the answer to who won the week is senator stephanie flowers. democratic state senator who just literally took over the panel in a debate about whether or not to extend stand your ground protections in that state which she said put her children directly at risk of death. we know states that have stand your ground laws have more gun deaths than guns that don't. here is a little bit of stephanie flowers empassioned rant. >> do i have a right to stand my ground when some crazy [ bleep ] person walking around with a doggone gun. i don't know what the hell he intends to do. i know i feel scared and threatened. >> senator, you need to stop. >> no, i don't. >> no, i don't, what the hell you going to do, shoot me? senator [ bleep ] hell, i'm telling you. this deserves more attention. i'm talking about my son's life and i'm talking about the lives of other black kids. >> and by the way, the senator who's the only african-american member and the only member of that panel, she won the day. she not only won the day, she won the day. that stand your ground bill was actually defeated which is going to make a lot of people in the state of arkansas a lot safer. i think she is a good candidate. >> i vote for her, too. that was great. >> see, excellent. fabulous. thank you guys very much. i now release you all to have a wonderful, fabulous brunch. dean, jimmy, tiffany, we'll be thinking about you, jason johnson. so sorry. ♪ [ sighing ] ♪ oh my momma she gave me ♪ these feathered breaths ♪ ♪ oh my momma check in from afar with remote access. and have professional monitoring 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