Pep rally that clocked in at more than two hours. The longest speech of his tenure so far. Trump berated the media, who he continued to label fake news. His former attorney general Jeff Sessions who he mocked in a fake southern accent, no less. And other targets for whom he rolled out a little bit of profanity. We had the greatest of all time. Now we have people that lost. And unfortunately you put the wrong people in a couple of positions and they leave people for a long time that shouldnt be there. All of the sudden they are trying to take you out with bullshit, okay . But trump stopped short of mentioning by name the man who caused him the most trouble this week. His former personal attorney and fixer Michael Cohen. Maybe because cohens bombshell testimony triggered more house inquiries to come which could potentially reach the man who knows whats in the books. Trump organization chief Financial OfficerAlan Weisselberg as well as trumps long Time Assistant rona graph and maybe his grown children. Ro khanna joins me now. Congressman, thank you very much for being here. One of our guests will be on after you said in his view and this is tim obrien you asked the single best question of the entire spectacle of the cohen inquiry. I will play it for you now. Are you telling us, mr. Cohen, that the president directed in conspiracy with Alan Weisselberg and his son donald trump, jr. , as part of is criminal conspiracy of financial fraud . Is that your testimony today . Yes. Succinctly answered as many of the answers were. Congressman, at this point having heard all of the testimony from Michael Cohen and we know hes done closed door testimony. Do you now believe the president directed and participated in a criminal conspiracy . I do, joy. Thanks for having me back on. Its important to understand the president did this as president. This is not going after the president s financial records before he assumed the office. This is the president sitting in the oval Office Writing checks personally to Michael Cohen and directing a conspiracy with Alan Weisselberg and his son donald trump, jr. , to cook the books and reimburse Michael Cohen. It goes on for a year while hes president. Its deeply concerning. The Southern District of new yorks investigation is perhaps where the president is in the greatest legal jeopardy. Congressman, this saga with donald trump started out even during the president ial campaign in a quest to find out if he was in collusion or conspiracy with russia. Is where this mueller the thing we call muellergate, where it is going veering off of that and onto the many, many decades of Donald Trumps financial dealings . Well, i think they are two separate issues. Mueller is looking at the potential collusion and the Trump Campaigns coordination with russia and russian interference. Thats a very serious matter. It looks like bob mueller is wrapping up. We need to look at whats in the report. Apart from that are issues of financial fraud this president committed as president to cover up some of the hush payments Michael Cohen made to Stormy Daniels and others. There, the president apparently directed not only his son but Alan Weisselberg to commit financial fraud basically, to cook the books at the Trump Organization and directed an elaborate payout scheme to Michael Cohen. We know the Southern District of new york is investigating that. Michael cohen didnt want to confirm that in the testimony. Its pretty apparent if you look at the testimony that this is under investigation at the Southern District of new york. Of course, given that you are in congress, the questions at hand are primarily political from where you sit. Would the congress in your view impeach this president based on past financial fraud and wrongdoing if the Mueller Probe doesnt find outright evidence of collusion with russia . Its premature to say that. Thats a decision made by jerry nadler and nancy pelosi, of course. I do think we need to look at what comes out of the Southern District of new york and the evidence of the crimes. We need to call in some of the other witnesses like rona graff, the president s personal assistant, donald trump, jr. , who signed the checks, like Alan Weisselberg so they can corroborate what the documents show and the American People get a full picture. Thats the next logical step. Well definitely be watching. Ro khanna, appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. Joining us is Midwin Charles, tim obrien, author of trump nation. Msnbc legal analyst paul butler. Tim, everyone remembers at this point where they were when they heard the name Alan Weisselberg. My colleague Lawrence Odonnell mentioned he first heard it from donny deutsch. I heard it first from you. I wonder if you think what you just heard from ro khanna is they have a litany of people they want to hear from. Alan weisselberg, potentially donald trump, jr. , ivanka trump, ron lieberman, executive vp of the Trump Organization, matthew calamari, the chief operating officer of the organization and rhona graff the secretary. Is he the lynchpin to the rest of what we can learn about donald trump . To defend lawrence because it gets to weisselberg. He said donny told him first about Michael Cohen. I first told him about weisselberg. On the show the night that the Michael Cohen tapes came out. He taped the president. He mentions on the tape lets clear this with alan. Everyone wondered who the heck is alan. I said i was pretty sure it was Alan Weisselberg because hes been an accountant and cfo of the Trump Organization since the 1970s. He joined the firm working for fred trump at the same time donald did. He does president trumps tax returns, signs most of the checks on significant deals. More important than the paperwork is he looks at all the significant transactions that the Trump Organization engages in and gives them his blessing. Hes sitting next to trumps side for four decades, signing off on everything they did. This is an organization that routinely pushed the limits of the law and the limits of financial propriety in order to get things done so the president could get another bag of cash on the desk. Midwin charles, the question that i had for congressman ro khanna is we have all been talking about russiagate. What we call russiagate for three years now. If, in fact, what this opens up is an extensive forensic examination of Donald Trumps business dealings, tax returns. Whether hes committed financial crimes. Does that become the avenue where it goes and does it become the primary interest of the prosecutors . I think it does. What we have now is two tracks. We have the Mueller Investigation and these purported alleged crimes. To add to your list, Insurance Fraud which Michael Cohen testified to. That is a level of inquiry, particularly how salacious and how bold these alleged crimes are. Particularly since they also go into the time in which donald trump was in office. Remember, some of the things Michael Cohen testified to occurred while donald trump was sitting in the oval office. That trust was set up so he could be at an arms length from his company. Insulated. Instead hes writing checks from the company. While hes still president of the United States. Another person that was mentioned more than once by Michael Cohen in that hearing was donald trump, jr. Here he is talking about the Infamous Trump tower meeting, Michael Cohen and donald juniors discussions of it. I recall don jr. , leaning over to his father and speaking in a low voice which i could clearly hear. Saying, the meeting is all set. I remember mr. Trump saying, okay, good, let me know. So i concluded that don jr. Was referring to that june 2016 trump tower meeting about dirt on hillary with the russian representatives when he walked behind his dads desk that day. Paul butler, if donald trump, jr. , informed his father about the outcome of the trump tower meeting, donald trump has claimed not to know about the meeting who is in jeopardy there the son or the dad . How about both, joy . Both reportedly said Something Different under oath. So donald trump senior when he responded to muellers questions and reportedly denied he knew about the meeting with the russian lawyer in advance. He said on tv donald trump, jr. Lied about that according to at least two of the congresspeople who saw him testify under oath to the House Intelligence Committee. Michael cohen implicated donald trump, jr. , in a conspiracy to violate federal Campaign Laws and bank laws with the hush money payment. But also involved him in the collusion Mueller Investigation with lies under oath to congress. Donald trump, jr. , has not been subpoenaed by the mueller grand jury. That probably means hes a target of the grand jury that Justice Department has a policy of not subpoenaing targets. I think the last big act of the Mueller Investigation will be the indictment of donald trump, jr. Lets keep it in the family here and go to ivanka trump. Ivanka trump is the other person who is very intricately involved in business dealings with donald trump and is a white house adviser as is her husband Jared Kushner. Here she is talking about whether or not she knew anything about the infamous moscow tower project. The moscow project in russia barely know about that. I have learned more about it watching the news. You did have a role on this. What was it . Literally almost nothing. Is that possibly true, tim obrien . Can that be true . No, its not possibly true. Donald, jr. , and ivanka got a tour of moscow from felix sater prior to the deal being considered when they were looking for sites to develop. Remind us who felix is. He has organized crime ties. Hes a career criminal. An ininformant. On mob activities in the Eastern District of new york. Hes a classic thug. He had an office two floors beneath president trumps with a Company Called bay rock. He went up regularly during the week to talk to trump about deals. Right. The people at the Trump Organization he spent the most time talking to were ivanka and don, jr. , according to other people at bay rock whom i have interviewed. The idea that ivanka is out of the loop is silly. She was on air force one the night the trump team was trying to figure out how to respond to the New York Times report about the june 2016 meeting in which russians came to trump tower to talk about having dirt on Hillary Clinton. Her story is she took an ambien and went to bed. That will be probed. Ivanka was the hub of a lot of the business requests around the inauguration. I think there were 120 million or so that flowed into the inauguration committee. She was a conduit for deciding where the money went. Thats become a subject of interest for investigators. Shes not outside of any of this. Midwin, what are the risks . Its unprecedented the idea of indicting the president s children. Right. To paul Butlers Point they havent been called or interviewed. They havent been interviewed. Tim makes an excellent point when he talks about how involved the children are in the company. We heard Michael Cohen testify that everybody in the company sort of knows that they have to lie in order to protect trump. He said it became the norm. Is it dangerous . I dont know. I think this is unprecedented. We are in Uncharted Waters to the point where we have a president who is both the daughter and soninlaw. We havent even discussed Jared Kushner in the news this week about security clearances. It is Uncharted Waters. I have no idea where we are going from here. Maybe eric is the smart one. Eric is staying out of it. No comment on that. Tim, how far would donald trump go to protect his children and his soninlaw, if at all . I think he would go to Great Lengths to protect his children. I dont suspect hed go far to protect his soninlaw. I think he would throw Jared Kushner under the bus. I concur. But jared is married to ivanka, his favorite child. Ivanka has to decide if she prefers her father or her husband. That could be a dramatic moment in this. To that point, joy, the smartest words representative khanna said in the questions were and state crimes. Cant save him. The only way the president can protect his kids is with pardons. He cannot pardon them for state crimes. Robert mueller and the Southern District are preserving the option. They are working with state prosecutors in order to prevent trump from exercising his pardon power. I have to get your take on this, Midwin Charles. In your view, can a president of the United States be indicted while in office . Yes. I do. I do. I know a lot of people talked about the fbi policy paper. Its a policy. It is a policy. The Supreme Court has not ruled on it. There is no statute that says it cant be done. The constitution is silent on it. I believe that. Midwin charles, thank you very much. Welcome to the show. Absolutely. Tim and paul will join us later on. Coming up, donald trump comes up emptyhanded from his meeting with kim jongun. So, what, no Nobel Peace Prize . 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