Why is that . Is he couldnt ihe couldnting. He seems to be the person that makes donald trump the most nervous. All of those stay strong, he drnt wadidnt want to fire him. But i think that is looming out there. So you have this committee that is chaired by Jeff Sessions where the gentleman who was in charge of it recruits in papadopoulous and he is now actually also talking to at least the Senate Committees and probably to muellers team as well, you have this team that now seems to be kind of in low customer of the contacts with russia in addition to trump jr. , to kushner and others. Locust of russia in addition to trump jr. , to kushner and others. But carter page overnight is now saying that shortly after his trip to russia to meet with russian officials in july of
2016, which we now learn he did meet with russian high official, not Just University officials or whatever he was trying to say before, but shortly after the trip, he sentd an email to one aide describing insights he had. And we now know that he was copied on emails that George Papadopoulous sent regarding his contacts with moscow. It starts to look like were circling around what could be collusion. Is there is a crime in any of that multiple contacts with a Foreign Government . You know, when the other guests talked about president s being subject to interviews by the fbi, you have to give a shout out to barack obama. Hes the only president since Richard Nixon who has not been questioned in a federal criminal investigation. Carter page, again, ryan, all of these people who seem low level who President Trump denies knowing or tries downplay,
mueller is circling around them. They are the little fish designed to deliver the big fish. What do we know about George Papadopoulous . We know he got arrested in august and he was cooperating with mueller since then, but we didnt find out about that until monday. So i think its safe to assume that these other little fish like carter page might be cooperati cooperating. Certainly mueller will try to turn mr. Ryan who was arrested along with mr. Manafort as kind of manaforts boy, hes his associate, so he will be relatively easy i think to get to cooperate with the government. He might give up the goods on people like his boss manafort. Thats how these cases are made. I always say its like law and order, the tv the show, where investigators go office to Office Asking questions building clues that ultimately leads them
to the big kahuna. And that of course is the president of the United States. And liz bet, thelizabeth, that k to trumps consistent desire to get rid of mueller. He ultimately fired james comey. He cant outright fire mueller. He would have to get the Deputy Attorney general to do it who said he one of the. You now have Members Of Congress Introducingdema demanding that Robert Mueller resign on his own based on this. There are human rule others that steve bannon is encouraging trump to defund muellers investigation. Can any of these attempts be seen on the Impeachment Side or in a legal sense . Well, i think that they are
getting into deep water if they try to do that. I think both on a criminal sense and certainly on an impeachment sense. Remember we go back to watergate, it was the firing of the special prosecutor Archibald Cox because he was about to get the tapes, wanted to get the tapes that was going to prove whether Richard Nixon was guilty or not of a crime. Got fired. That produced huge public outcry and led to nixons downfall. So any kind of fooling around with mueller has the danger of triggering public outrage and anxious impeachment. But it also could be Obstruction Of Justice. Just because hes the president and has the power to fire or not fire or whatever that power is, if he does it for the reason of covering up, then we are in Obstruction Territory in my view. And nick, what about if he starts pardoning people, what if
donald trump who i think frank makes a good point, is probably very much in fear of what mike flynn might say, if he sees Jared Kushner potentially getting in trouble, what if he starts pardoning people, is that obstruction . Certainly could be obstruction because if he does it with the intent to obstruct the investigation and get rid of it because it is honing in on him, sure. That is obstruction. But dont forget the indictment that mueller came down with is for money laundering. Money laundering is a crime in New York State. Tax evasion is a crime in New York State. So trump is going to have a problem doing any pardons here. He cant pardon for New York State lieus. Some of the New York State laws are more potent and may be more applicable to what happened here than would be some of the federal laws. So he is not in a great position, mr. Trump. Lets remember attempts to pardon or promises of pardons to the watergate burglars by nixon was one of the articles for
grounds for impeachment. Lets say manafort or papadopoulous got pardoned. Would they then go before an fbi agent to be interviewed, can they assert their Fifth Amendment right . They can, but that would take the legs right out from under the fbi interview and i agree with the others, the president is teetering on Obstruction Of Justice. Remember obstruction requires just because the president can do something doesnt mean that its not illegal. If hes doing it to avoid incell natuin incriminating himself, that is obstruction. And paul, do you see an Obstruction Of Justice case coming out of muellers office . Its certainly possible. Mueller is the most powerful person in the district of columbia. So yeah, there is grounds there if it will happen, it wont be impeachment, that is political, but the nation turns its eyes to roberts mueller. All right. Thank you all. Great panel. Up next, new details on how russia gate may have started in the first place. As master sergeant. They really appreciate the military family, and it really shows. Weve got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. Had an accident with a vehicle, i actually called usaa before we called the police. Usaa was there handson very quick very prompt. I feel like were being handled as people that actually have a genuine need. Were the webber family and we are usaa members for life. Usaa, get your insurance quote today. People are fighting type 2 diabetes. With fitness. Food. And the pill that starts with f. Farxiga, along with diet and exercise, helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. Lowering a1c by up to 1. 2 points. Do not take if allergic to farxiga. If you experience symptoms of a serious allergic reaction
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possession of dirt on Hillary Clinton in the form of thousands of emails. About two weeks later, on may 9, fox news analyst Andrew Napolitano goes on fox news and makes a similar claim about russians with clintons emails. Then a month after that, donald trump jr. Starts his own search for that dirt when on june 3 he gets an efts mamail from Rob Goldstone who promises information from high level russian officials that would incriminate clinton and be useful to his fathers campaign. To that donald jr. Responds if its what you say, i love it. Six days later, donald trump jr. , Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner attend the trump tower email set up that meeting. And on that same day, whenever
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were in Possession Of Quote Unquote Dirt OnHillary Clinton. Joining me now is Malcolm Nance and sarah kensior. Weve been on the air together i believe now since last july. Yes. Essentially telling the same story over and over again. Every day. And when you first heard and you write in your book the plot to hack america about that Andrew Innapolitano clip that happened sort of Out Of The Blue in april of last year, when you heard Andrew Napolitano say that, what did you think . In fact i came on msnbc that week to address that statement. Because it was impossible. What they were saying was it napolitano had u. S. Intelligence sources that were saying that he had information from the kremlin of an internal debate between vladimir putin, his senior staff about should they release 20,000
hacked Hillary Clinton emails. I said that level of intelligence is just impossible to have. How would he be saying it . He got from a website called what does it mean. Com that had put it out and ittedit had a myl character who was a conduit of information from other russian sources that put this story into that Conspiracy Theory blog site and it made its way to napolitano and then on 27 july it made its way to donald trump. And we know that donald trump and the people who like donald trump are avid viewers of fox news. So to you does it make sense that if the kremlin wanted to plant the fictitious idea that they had the 20,000 to 30,000 emails that Hillary Clinton deleted because they were personal or whatever when her state Department Emails were turned over, that if they wanted to plant that, this would be the way to do it . Put it on a website, that fox
news picks it up and its now in the bloodstream. Is that a typical way that the kremlin would brate . Operate . Yeah, and that kind of intent would be not just to reach people in the Trump Campaign, but to reach republicans in general, the trump bhas. And to kind of make this narrative, you know, resonate in american society. I tend to think though that if the kremlin wanted to talk to the Trump Campaign, they could have easily gone through Paul Manafort or other people in that campaign who had direct connections to the kremlin. So i dont think they necessarily needed to circumvent it for that particular reason. That is a question. You have carter page walking off the street and Joinings RumpForeign Policy team, George Papadopoulous who was a low level sort of guy, 29, walk in become a part of the inner sort of Foreign Policy team of the campaign, and then announce im going to on mos moscow, i can G Vladimir Putin in the room with donald trump. There seemed to be a lot of
people who were pedaling connections to the kremd lynnce Contin Cekremlin or putin. And ive said there will be multiple Dirty Tricks Teams who had independent access or so they thought to information that russia was dangling in front of them. Interesting about the whole 20,000 Hillary Clinton emails thing, it comes ten months after the russians initially hacked the dnc, which means their Information WarfareManagement Team had already had the information they wanted, they needs to now plus up all of their, you know, their surrogates for Surrogate Surrogates to feed to donald trump. And worked. Papadopoulous, maybe carter page, maybe mike flynn and through man for thafort. All can be completely independent and then come together once it reaches donald trump or donald trump jr. And do you assume that the russians were lying, that they were just saying that they had these missing emails in order to dangle that possibility and draw in Trump Campaign people . I dont have to assume. We already know that now. Because if they had had those emails, they would have been out years ago. But again, this came from russian sources. And there is no way anyone would ever know what was being said inside the office of vladimir putin. If that was a u. S. Intelligence source, that person would have died with that information. And to leak it out to some obscure website an