But take a look at the Trump Supporters behind the first lady. See those signs . Blacks for trump 2020. Com. What seems like a group of africanamerican Trump Supporters offering the muchneeded image of racial diversity and black support for trump. But is that what they really are . Well, if you go to the blacks for trump 2020. Com website, you will get redirected to a site called honestfact. Com which is a very colorful Conspiracy Theory website. The group is allegedly linked to the violent cult founded by the late hulon mitchell. Blacks for trump 2020 refer to a man named michael, a former member of the cult, and while other posts contain allusions to conspiracies, members of this have made it onto the riser. Theyre literally on the riser in this close proximity to the first lady of the United States and the president. That suggests that something is very amiss in trumps advance work. No internet maybe, not using the google . Rand trump world is also having trouble matching their narrative to reality. At that same rally donald trump ticked off a list of European Countries hit by terrorists, including sweden, which according to trump endured a terrible incident two nights ago. Who would believe this . Actually no one should because nothing terrible happened in sweden. Trump completely made that up. Just like trump counselor Kellyanne Conway made up the Bowling Green massacre as justification for the travel ban and just like sean spicer falsely suggested atlanta was attacked by islamic terrorists. Now, what do these lies have in common . Well, they all blame muslims for terrorism and that kind of rhetoric is just one of the reasons that thousands of people are expected to gather today in new yorks times square for a rally dubbed today i am a muslim too. Its a multifaith, multi ethnic show of solidarity in the wake of trumps immigration ban. Joining me are russell simmons, chairman of the foundation for ethical understanding and daisy khan, and dean obadala, coemcee of todays event. Im a little starstruck being here with the great russell simmons. That you all for being here. Russell, tell me why did you put this together . And you put it together rather quickly. It was imam shaunceys idea. We held i am muslim for a day 1, this is i am muslim for a day 2, so weve been doing this for many years, fighting islamophobia and antisemitism. But especially islamophobia the last five or six years. We do put them together and we have been working on this particular issue very hard, so were coming out of a campaign, muslims are, speaking out. So what we find, what donald trump has done for us is create a moment where americans see the sameness in each other and we talk about religious leaders coming together and thats been our work. Its multiplied now. So we do have a day now where we can all come together with common interests and Work Together and see how we need each other. Thats very special. So this should be a great rally and should be an educational a tool for Many Americans if they watch. Yeah. Daisy, you know, i opened this talking about the weird sort of conspiracy theer theorists who got on the riser behind the first lady but that is a part of the trump phenomenon. He seems to believe in them and his team seems to believe in them. I want to play what donald trump said last night in melbourne, florida, about sweden and germany. Take a listen to this Conspiracy Theory. You look at whats happening in germany, you look at whats happening last night in sweden, sweden, who would believe this, sweden . They took in large numbers, theyre having problems like they never thought possible. Okay. So theyre not actually having problems like they ever thought possible, but the idea of demonizing muslims just for being there, just for being in sweden, being in germany, being in europe and now being in the United States, we laugh at it but its actually not funny. Since 9 11 we have been seen largely through the National Security lens. And for some reason we cannot distinguish the people muslims, the people who are your neighbors, lawabiding citizens, from the terrorists who are a threat to all of humanity. We dont disagree with wanting to vet the terrorists and make sure the terrorists dont come onto our shores but there is absolutely nothing. It does nothing by keeping innocent refugees out, students out, scientists out, people who are fleeing persecution. And i mean today it seems as though unity is a tough sell, but this rally is demonstrating that its not. That we are actually i see myself in you. So when you go to the rally and you will see black and white and latino and ordinary people coming together of all religions, declaring for one day that i am a muslim too, it shows that i see myself in you, that youre not different from me and were all americans. And you and i had this conversation that in a way, if you want to say donald trump has done some good, hes finally caused, even though russell said this is the second one, but youre actually seeing people come together and rally on behalf of their muslim friends and neighbors. It almost makes me happy he won. Almost, not really. Today is going to be a beautiful day, 65 degrees, which shows Mother Nature is a muslim. People are going to come out. I think its a beautiful event. Weve seen the muslim ban, we also saw a protest in 30 cities. Not just l. A. And new york, but nebraska with signs out there i am muslim too. Which is so ironic. Trump doesnt like muslims. He said muslims islam hates us and they were on 9 11 cheering in jersey, all these lies. Yet these people are coming up to stand with our community. Its beautiful, its heartening and almost makes me emotional because we feel alone. So this outpouring of support is great. Its going to be a great rally. Vegan bacon. There you go. But it really is our work that weve been doing for 20 years. Weve been working our butt off and now donald trump has inspired so Many Americans to recognize the Common Threads that they have. This has been this is the beginning of the nucleus of a shift towards the better. Always we get better. We see moments where we go backwards. Now i see us really as a Community Coming together and its going to result in some good work. I have to focus on just a second, as somebody who lived i moved back to new york in the late 1980s when there was incredible racial tension here in new york and it was interethnic, jewish people, italians, koreans, all at each other in the city. Youre now seeing the opposite of that, obviously. New york showing itself at its best. As the one person here at this table who knows donald trump personally, is this who this guy is . This sort of antimuslim its not for those of us who have experienced us in new york, this isnt what were used to. Five or six years ago i took donald to the great mosque. He made some statements that were antiislamic. He went to the mosque and he went and he was very respectful. He got to hug the imam, went back to work and made a nice statement to the press. This is an ongoing problem, in other words. He might have made a statement then but hes back again. He needs more people to talk to. Hes surrounded by some really scary the first thing thats going to happen now, and i wrote this a while ago. He will be impeached. Hes doing all the heavy lifting for the right wing agenda. Like his attacks on planned parenthood, his attacks on muslims, his obvious racial to bring one part of the party together, get rid of him. Hes so friendly now about the guy he just fired. That guy could be holding evidence. Something is going to happen. His relationship with russia. Hes going to break a law and theyre going to impeach him, his own party. And then when they impeach him, theyll have the reins to the ship and have somebody whos rationale and even more thoughtful in hurting our agenda. Thats a lot to say but i believe that. I think a lot of people are saying that because at the same time while hes there, he can do incredible damage in terms of whipping up almost a frenzied reaction not to something muslims are doing but just to the presence of muslims, particularly immigrants in the country. Now youre seeing an outpouring of support, but what do you still have fear that there could actually be harm to the Community Based on what hes whipping up . Yeah, there could be fear because weve seen hate crimes rise, not only in jewish communities but also in muslim communities. That is why we have to get ahead. I think this might be an opportune moment where we actually get to engage with ordinary americans to really tell them who we truly are. The reason why were having this rally and have hundreds of organizations coming together and thousands of people because we have built relationships of trust with one another. I can pick up the phone and call russell and pick up the phone and call a rabbi. This kind of engagement has not happened at the Grassroots Level in the heartland. This is what i want to do with my muslim community. I want to take us and walk into the heartland and talk to people face to face. We have an initiative were launching called wise up in april and were going to get out and meet people. Dean, most people oppose the executive order, what we call the muslim ban, but antimuslim hate groups are on the rise. Ill give you the last word on this, dean, because this is a community that is afraid. I think part of the problem is only 30 , 35 of americans know a muslim so were defined by the Donald Trumps of the world who demonize our community for votes. So i think part of the thing is us getting out there, going out to the heartland, maybe doing free comedy shows, meeting our fellow americans one on one, answering their questions and also pushing back against donald trump. When he opens his mouth, its fake news. Unfortunately, when hes demonizing us, theres a human consequence. Were going to start a rumor trump is a muslim, doesnt drink alcohol and has three wives. Nobody has committed a terrorist act since 1985. But the toddlers without the gun locks, they killed a lot of people. If he wants to focus on the terrorists, its the toddlers because without gun locks, they have killed how many people . Oh, my god, so many. And a lot of people didnt think they knew a muslim. When those yemeni bodegas shut down, they realized how many there were because they couldnt get a cup of coffee. And that includes my husband. Thank you very much. You guys have a great rally today. Mother nature is on your side. So much more is coming up. Like what on earth is going on in north korea . You really want to stay for that. You dont want to miss it. South koreas government says that it is convinced that north korea orchestrated the bizarre death of kim jongnam, the older half brother of kim jongun. One north korean suspect is in custody and four others are still being sought. Now, the elder kim died suddenly on monday after he was sprayed with possible poison at an airport in kuala lumpur, malaysia. This story takes an even more bizarre turn and we promise you this is not fake news. According to malaysian authorities, one of those arrested suspects is a 25yearold indonesian woman who was duped into thinking she was part of a hidden camerastyle comedy show prank when she sprayed the liquid in kim jongnams face. Joining me is author of how to catch a russian spy. Gordon chang, forbes columnist and author of nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the world and malcolm nance, author of the plot to hack america. Its an authors roundtable here on a. M. Joy. Thank you all for being here. Jordan, wow, what a strange story. But it seems like sort of the strange you have to consider to be true in north korea or is it true . Well, i think it certainly is true. And the important thing here is this shows instability in the regime. In february weve learned of three incidents. One of them is the purge of the minister of state security. That was the beginning of the month. When they fired off the intermediate range Ballistic Missile last sunday, the head of north koreas Strategic Rocket forces was not there, indicating instability at the top of the regime and now the killing of kim jongnam which is heinous because in north korea bloodline is the legitimacy of the regime so its even worse than we would consider it here. Are there other members of the family still alive that could succeed kim jongun or has he gotten rid of them all . He has an older brother but he does not have much aptitude to be the dictator of north korea. He doesnt have that gene, which kim jongun clearly did. Kim jongun has a halfsister who is the most competent of all of the kids, but shes skrujust going to be considered. Im sure kim jongun has not finished killing his relatives, especially kim jongnams son who is also antiregime. And i believe kim jongnam was going to disney world on vacation. Its very strange to me. But to bring this back to what it means for the United States, this was a country labeled part of the axis of evil back in the day by george w. Bush. What is the potential threat that north korea poses to the United States . Look, they have been developing missiles and Nuclear Technology for quite some time. As gordon and i were talking about, i think theres a real concern that these countries dont know what the United States is doing and they dont know how to communicate. They dont know, do they go aggressive, do they try to negotiate. Theres a real unknown just like we dont know what the policy is, they dont know what the policy is. Malcolm, it is strange that you do have this sort of parallel reality now where the things you hear coming out of the north korean government sound like they were written in a spy novel by maybe one of the three of you and similar to the United States. We have europeans not sure what to make of our government either. How do you have a posture versus north korea when our government seems to be in a little bit of a weird flux too . Well, its amazing because our governments flux is starting to really start to mirror that of north koreas in some ways, shapes and forms, but lets talk a little bit about north korean capacity and why they did this assassination. North korea has statesponsored terrorism over many, many decades. They have always used professional Intelligence Officers to go out and effect these acts. They had two Intelligence Officers put a bomb on an airplane that blew up over indonesia 25 years ago killing over 150 people. They would blow up the Parliament Inside indonesia and they would assassinate expatriots all the time. This is a very interesting variation where they actually use a ruse and a false flag operation. Invariably in the old days, they would just go up and shoot that guy in the back of the head. So there is obviously this is a component of the regimes overall strategy related to their nuclear program. But by eliminating his halfbrother, it gives the north Korean People that constant belief that theyre on the offensive against their enemies and of course the question is, is this masking some future step like an irbm or icbm missile launch. So while were all watching his dead brother, a missile goes into space. It would be very interesting to see. Gordon, so you have your piece in the daily beast that came out thursday, as you just said, suggests that the north korean regime is unstable. You now have the north korean government trying to block a second autopsy on the dead halfbrother of the north korean dictator. If the government there is unstable, what in theory lets say that government were to fall. What would take its place . That we dont know. But this instability and what it means to us is their threshold for risk is very low. We always assume theyre not going to do something really horrific like launch a missile, but if kim jongun thinks hes going to die anyway, then he might take the advice of his grandfather who said if youre going to go, take everybody with you, and thats why we have to be concerned about this instability in north korea because it can just not only go to south korea and the region, but it also can affect us. They have three missiles that can hit the lower 48 states right now, they just cant put a nuke on them but thats only like three or four years before theyll be able to do that, which means they can reach out and touch us in a very tangible way. And that is frightening because there is this sort of rational actor theory of International Diplomacy meaning that you dont believe the regime in iran is irrational so even if you dont like the regime, you dont like the way they treat their own people, you dont like that government, you assume they are rational actors and know if, for instance, they attacked israel, they would be nuked. But if north korea is not behaving as a rational actor and weve got this Demilitarized Zone between north and south korea, how does that wind up playing out . Thats a good question. I think the big thing is wheres china in this. The president has insulted china with rejecting the one china and coming back around. So in the past china has been sort of the has the ability to weigh in and settle things down in north korea. But youre right. Gordon is right. This isnt a Saddam Hussein moment. If he believes that he is on the way out, he will do something that he would think is completely rational, which is potentially not strike the u. S. But south korea and then what happens . And what is our obligation to south korea if he strikes south korea . Were going to reciprocate. The dangerous thing thats happening right now is this idea of Tactical Nuclear weapons. This idea of theater nukes which is this concept that means you can use low grade air drop Nuclear Weapons and not escalate to allout nuclear war. Its what the Nor