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Here we go again with the theater. Lets get down to the facts. Plus, congresswoman katie porter on covid relief. And adam mckay on his new documentary deep dive into the origins of qanon. Trump put this photo on twitter. So you can see, if you trace the thumbs, they make a q. When all in starts right now. Good evening, from new york. I am chris hayes. Tonight, we are learning more about some of the eight victims of that horrificshooting spree in the atlanta area, on tuesday. Delaina ashley yaun was 33 years old. A wife and mother of two children. She and her husband were at youngs massage for a relaxing spa day to get a little time to themselves. When the shooting began they were in two different rooms. Mario was able to lock himself inside one of those rooms and escape uninjured. Family members zliebd delaina as their rock who always welcomed people into their home and threw the best birthday and holiday parties. Paul andre michels, age 52, was a veteran from the u. S. Army infantry. Described by his brother az hardworking local business owner. He was working as a handyman at the acworth spa building shelves there on tuesday afternoon when the shooting took place. Michels leaves behind his wife of more than 20 years. 49yearold xiaojie tan was the owner of youngs asian massage and at least one other spa in the area. She was a licensed massage therapist herself. She emigrated from china many years ago her friend told usa today. Tan, who went by emily, had a daughter who recently graduated from the university of georgia. The friend described her as, quote, the sweetest person youd ever meet. The first 24 hours after the shootings the humanity of those victims was largely obscured while the shooters was on full display. Police portrayed him as a struggling sex addict having a, quote, bad day. He, apparently, has an issue. What he considers a sex addiction. And sees these locations as something that allows him to to go to these places and and its a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate. He was pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope. And yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did. That officer, captain jay baker with the Cherokee County sheriffs office, has faced, as you have probably seen, a lot of criticism for those remarks. Perhaps, even more since it was revealed that he posted a facebook a photo on facebook last year showing a racist tshirt referring to covid19 as an imported virus from china. Seems like a reference to the former president. That is what an officer investigating the murder of asianamerican women thinks. Thats what he chose to post publicly because he had thought it was funny. It puts into stark relief this question that weve been facing a lot recently, frankly. Which kinds of perpetrators and suspects are seen as full human subjects . People, who you can model the internal states of. Someone who got out of control, or did something unruly or had a bad day. And which perpetrators and suspects are just savages and animals and thugs and violent criminals . Republican senator ron johnson said it loud and clear after the attack on the capitol. I am also criticized because ive made the comment that on january 6th i never felt threatened, because i didnt. And mainly, because i knew that, even though those thousands of people that were marching to the capitol yeah. Were trying to pressure people like me to vote the way they wanted me to vote, i knew these were people that love this country, that truly respect Law Enforcement, would never do anything to break a law. And so, i wasnt concerned. Now, had the tables been turned and, joe, this could get me in trouble. Had the tables been turned and President Trump won the election, and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protestors, i might have been a little concerned. Its all right there, right . In what ron johnson said. All of it. Its who you can relate to, whos lawabiding, respectful, who you dont have to be scared of, and who you do. This has been a defining theme apparent in the wake of january 6th, the inability of so many of those on the right and maybe some of the Police Officers involved to conceive of the rioters who attacked the capitol as people who could be violent because of who they were and what they looked like. The failure to prepare for that violence. And the effort of people like ron johnson to extend to them the maximum amount of empathy. Just like officer baker did to the gunman in atlanta. Keep in mind, january 6th was one of the worst days of injuries for u. S. Law enforcement since 9 11. At least 138 officers wounded, and nearly every single day brings more evidence about just how brutal the attack was. Today the fbi released new footage of ten suspects. These are people who have not yet been apprehended who they say committed some of the most Violent Attacks on officers protect the capitol that day. And i want to warn you, the video is disturbing. [ yelling ] [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. That is just a small portion of what the fbi posted today. That gentleman there, who yeah, is a full human subject with an interior life and all kinds of complicating factors but who appears in that video to be beating the crap out of Police Officers with what looks like a bat. The fbi is looking for information about these suspects. You can go to fbi. Gov capitolviolence to see more footage like this clip showing a rioter spraying what appears to be a fire extinguisher down on the crowd of officers. Nbc News Washington also obtained this video today. Similar to the previous video from the fbi. Where you see rioters attacking officers with what looks like baseball bats. And all this is on top of what we already know happened on january 6th. When rioters trapped this officer in a door, leaving him crying out in pain. They threw a fire extinguisher at a group of police. They tried to steal officers weapons yelling, quote, kill him with his own gun. Stole an officers badge and then buried it in the back yard after he was beaten. Discharged bear spray in the faces of multiple officers including one officer who sustained scars under her eyes and officer brian sicknick, who later died. By the way, the rioters did those things while flying the thin blue line flags. Some of the rioters were even Police Officers themselves. We know at least nine members of Law Enforcement were there and have been charged. And after all this the house held a vote on a resolution yesterday. To award congressional gold medals to the police who protected them on january 6th. That measure passed, but 12 republicans voted against it. They voted against honoring the officers who saved their lives that day because they objected to certain language in the resolution, like the term insurrectionists. Its obviously not about the words. They just dont want to talk about the violent reality of what happened. Who did it . There is a lot going on right now. Senator Tammy Duckworth will soon vote on that measure and she joins me now. Senator, it does seem like a fairly uncontroversial and pro forma resolution. I think it was surprising to people they got 12 no votes in the house. What do you make of it . Well, im flabbergasted that there would be those no votes. But unfortunately, in this day and age, im not surprised. Its sickening. You know, our our capitol Police Officers and district of Columbia Police and the National Guardsmen who came to the rescue deserve all of our respect. And i think this is really its incredible they would vote against it and i hope no republicans in the senate vote against it, but i suspect, unfortunately, there will be some. You do . You think there will be no votes in the senate . I think there will be some no votes in the senate, yes. And i dont know how you can how you can vote against honoring these courageous men and women who protected protected us that day. I think i struggle myself a little bit with how where that day fits in the national imagination. And im going to talk to you in a moment about what happened in atlanta. But i do think there is a little bit of a through line of, like, the stories that we tell. The stories certain people tell oof who the perpetrators of violence are and who are its victims and who should be feared and who should not. And there is this kind of desire, i think, by a lot of republicans and conservatives to just kind of never talk about that again and kind of push it oust everyones minds. Well, they would like that to happen. Remember, the number of veterans who were part of the insurrectionist crowd as well. And in fact, i have had many conversations with secretary austin and other members of the Biden Administration at the d. O. D. About how we absolutely need to look at any type of White Supremacists that are still members of the military and how theyre being targeted for recruitment by white supremacist groups and we need to weed this out. There was a domestic extremism report from the director of National Intelligence which said that racially or ethnically motivated militia or violent extremists pose the most lethal threats. With the most persistent and concerning transnational connections. It does seem like there is a kind of belated acknowledgment of the centrality of this in terms of whatever threats there may be for the american people. Oh, absolutely. And you know, i think this whole idea of Police Officer on Police Officer violence, with those officers who have been turned by white extremists is really scary to me. And i know its got to be scary for the other Police Officers as well. To look out now, Capitol Police for example, to look out and realize, hey, these were their brothers in blue, some of them, actively serving brothers in blue who attacked them that day. You had a tweet in response to the news about the sheriff in Cherokee County selling those tshirts or at least tweeting about them. Not only should this racist be fired, we need an independent investigation to find out if his racism influenced his performance on the job to protect and serve all of Cherokee County. Action must be taken. The only way we root out racism is to stop it at the source. Why were you so upset about that . Well, i am so upset about it because crimes against Asian Americans, hate crimes against Asian Americans is an underrepresented crime group in this country. Asian americans are often the victims of violence based on race but it doesnt get reported as that. It gets reported as, you know, its a mugging or something else. When it was really a hate crime based on race. Time and time again. And this especially happens to asian women. You saw what happened in atlanta. There is an oversexualization of asian women. And then this whole pervasive viewing of them as being more submissive and weaker. So they become the victims of crimes much more often, along with elderly asians. And so when you have Law Enforcement officers, the people youre supposed to turn to for help who are belittling the severity of these crimes then when you have a situation where these crimes just dont get reported in fact, i issued i sent two letters today, one to the fbi director, mr. Wray, and one to attorney general garland asking them to please conduct formal investigations into the underreporting of crimes against Asian Americans that are hate crimes in this country. You represent a state that has a large Asian American Pacific Islander population. And ive lived in that state myself. And i wonder what you are hearing from your constituents. I know i have just been hearing from a lot of people. Theres really a lot of fear and anxiety and anger, not before what happened in atlanta. But particularly in the aftermath of that atrocity. Theres a lot of fear. Ive heard from so many Asian Americans across the country, not just in my home state, not just in the city of chicago. We know that crimes against Asian Americans that are hate crimes rose by over 150 in americas major cities just this past year. 3,800 crimes were reported this past year. And we know those are underrepresented numbers. Im so grateful that our mayor lightfoot, in chicago, has stepped up and said that shes going to beef up protection and patrols in and among Asian American areas. In chicago were a city of neighborhoods. Right . So you know where chinatown is. You know where Little Saigon is. Just like in l. A. You know where korean town is. So Asian Americans are easily targeted and easily attacked in these communities. And theres just a lot of fear right now. Senator Tammy Duckworth. Who testified today at a house hearing were going to cover in a moment. Senator from illinois. Thank you so much for taking some time with us tonight. Thanks for having me on, chris. It really was an incredible day on capitol hill today at the hearing to address rising violence against Asian Americans. One republican congressman used it as his own tonedeaf soapbox. And thats the reality of what i tend to refer to as the chi comms. And im not going to be ashamed to say i oppose the chi comms. I oppose the Chinese Communist party. Chi comms. Okay. Youre going to want to hear the response to that including from congressman ted lieu who joins me next. Dont go anywhere. Me next. Dont go anywhere. You can say whatever you want on the first amendment. You can say racist, stupid stuff if you want. But im asking you to please stop using racist terms like kung flu or wuhan virus or other ethnic identifiers in describing this virus. I am not a virus. And when you say things like that, it hurts the asianamerican community. Todays house judiciary hearing on the disturbing rise in antiasian violence and discrimination since the start of the pandemic was scheduled before a gunman murdered eight people, including six asian women at three atlantaarea spas. Of course, just a day after that happened, the attack loomed large as democratic lawmakers appeal to republicans to stop from donald trump on down to stop using the kinds of language that people have long warned would inevitably increase antiasian hatred and bigotry. A republican congressman named chip roy of texas largely dismissed those concerns to the consternation of democrats on the committee. My concern about this hearing is that it seems to want to venture into the policing of rhetoric in a free society, free speech, and away from the rule of law. And taking out bad guys. I think the Chinese Communist Party Running the country of china, i think theyre the bad guys. I want to go back to something that mr. Roy said earlier. Your president and your party and your colleagues can talk about issues with any other country that you want. But you dont have to do it by putting a bullseye on the back of Asian Americans across this country, on our grandparents, on our kids. This hearing was to address the hurt and pain of our community. And to find solutions, and we will not let you take our voice away from us. Joined now by one of the lawmakers you heard at the hearing, democratic congressman ted lieu of california, along with former prosecutor and msnbc legal contributor katy fang. Who wrote today that the atlanta shootings will test georgias new hate crimes law. Congressman, let me start with you. And i thought both that was congresswoman grace meng of queens if im not mistaken. And the things you said to your colleagues. You know, one thing that was striking at the hearing today and that ive been hearing is just, you know, people expressing a lot of years of hurt and trauma of the firsthand bigotry theyve experienced and seeing the cost of that. And i thought that really was i found that very affecting and moving today at the hearing. Im wondering how you felt just watching it unfold. Thank you, chris, for your question. Theres actually been a long history of discrimination against asianamericans. In the past, when america felt threatened, sometimes you would have discrimination against ethnic groups. So we had the whole yellow peril hysteria. Followed by the chinese exclusion act. You had the internment of over 120,000 japanese americans. With the rise of japan in the 1980s and fears of that you had vichbtd chen who was murdered. And now you have this pandemic causing a surge in Asian American hate crimes. And many in the community have experienced this and they were expressing it nationally at this hearing, and that was a good thing for people to understand. You know, katy, i want to talk a little about the hate crime question because i think its a category people have a hard time actually getting their arms around. Theres an intuitive sense, right . That someone who commits a criminal act out of hatred of a certain ethnic group is committing it. I want to play you what the atlanta pd said today and then get your thoughts about what actually were dealing with legally, statutorily. So this is what the Atlanta Police had to say today. The investigation into a possible hate crimes that still on the table . Our investigation is looking at everything. So nothing is off the table for our investigation. You wrote today for us about the sort of difficulty of these prosecutions. What is your sense of where this investigation sits and what that bar is to clear . Well, the spokesperson for the atlanta pd, chris, did the right thing versus what we heard yesterday during that press conference with the Cherokee County Cherokee County<\/a> sheriffs office, has faced, as you have probably seen, a lot of criticism for those remarks. Perhaps, even more since it was revealed that he posted a facebook a photo on facebook last year showing a racist tshirt referring to covid19 as an imported virus from china. Seems like a reference to the former president. That is what an officer investigating the murder of asianamerican women thinks. Thats what he chose to post publicly because he had thought it was funny. It puts into stark relief this question that weve been facing a lot recently, frankly. Which kinds of perpetrators and suspects are seen as full human subjects . People, who you can model the internal states of. Someone who got out of control, or did something unruly or had a bad day. And which perpetrators and suspects are just savages and animals and thugs and violent criminals . Republican senator ron johnson said it loud and clear after the attack on the capitol. I am also criticized because ive made the comment that on january 6th i never felt threatened, because i didnt. And mainly, because i knew that, even though those thousands of people that were marching to the capitol yeah. Were trying to pressure people like me to vote the way they wanted me to vote, i knew these were people that love this country, that truly respect Law Enforcement<\/a>, would never do anything to break a law. And so, i wasnt concerned. Now, had the tables been turned and, joe, this could get me in trouble. Had the tables been turned and President Trump<\/a> won the election, and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protestors, i might have been a little concerned. Its all right there, right . In what ron johnson said. All of it. Its who you can relate to, whos lawabiding, respectful, who you dont have to be scared of, and who you do. This has been a defining theme apparent in the wake of january 6th, the inability of so many of those on the right and maybe some of the Police Officers<\/a> involved to conceive of the rioters who attacked the capitol as people who could be violent because of who they were and what they looked like. The failure to prepare for that violence. And the effort of people like ron johnson to extend to them the maximum amount of empathy. Just like officer baker did to the gunman in atlanta. Keep in mind, january 6th was one of the worst days of injuries for u. S. Law enforcement since 9 11. At least 138 officers wounded, and nearly every single day brings more evidence about just how brutal the attack was. Today the fbi released new footage of ten suspects. These are people who have not yet been apprehended who they say committed some of the most Violent Attacks<\/a> on officers protect the capitol that day. And i want to warn you, the video is disturbing. [ yelling ] [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. That is just a small portion of what the fbi posted today. That gentleman there, who yeah, is a full human subject with an interior life and all kinds of complicating factors but who appears in that video to be beating the crap out of Police Officers<\/a> with what looks like a bat. The fbi is looking for information about these suspects. You can go to fbi. Gov capitolviolence to see more footage like this clip showing a rioter spraying what appears to be a fire extinguisher down on the crowd of officers. Nbc News Washington<\/a> also obtained this video today. Similar to the previous video from the fbi. Where you see rioters attacking officers with what looks like baseball bats. And all this is on top of what we already know happened on january 6th. When rioters trapped this officer in a door, leaving him crying out in pain. They threw a fire extinguisher at a group of police. They tried to steal officers weapons yelling, quote, kill him with his own gun. Stole an officers badge and then buried it in the back yard after he was beaten. Discharged bear spray in the faces of multiple officers including one officer who sustained scars under her eyes and officer brian sicknick, who later died. By the way, the rioters did those things while flying the thin blue line flags. Some of the rioters were even Police Officers<\/a> themselves. We know at least nine members of Law Enforcement<\/a> were there and have been charged. And after all this the house held a vote on a resolution yesterday. To award congressional gold medals to the police who protected them on january 6th. That measure passed, but 12 republicans voted against it. They voted against honoring the officers who saved their lives that day because they objected to certain language in the resolution, like the term insurrectionists. Its obviously not about the words. They just dont want to talk about the violent reality of what happened. Who did it . There is a lot going on right now. Senator Tammy Duckworth<\/a> will soon vote on that measure and she joins me now. Senator, it does seem like a fairly uncontroversial and pro forma resolution. I think it was surprising to people they got 12 no votes in the house. What do you make of it . Well, im flabbergasted that there would be those no votes. But unfortunately, in this day and age, im not surprised. Its sickening. You know, our our capitol Police Officers<\/a> and district of Columbia Police<\/a> and the National Guardsmen<\/a> who came to the rescue deserve all of our respect. And i think this is really its incredible they would vote against it and i hope no republicans in the senate vote against it, but i suspect, unfortunately, there will be some. You do . You think there will be no votes in the senate . I think there will be some no votes in the senate, yes. And i dont know how you can how you can vote against honoring these courageous men and women who protected protected us that day. I think i struggle myself a little bit with how where that day fits in the national imagination. And im going to talk to you in a moment about what happened in atlanta. But i do think there is a little bit of a through line of, like, the stories that we tell. The stories certain people tell oof who the perpetrators of violence are and who are its victims and who should be feared and who should not. And there is this kind of desire, i think, by a lot of republicans and conservatives to just kind of never talk about that again and kind of push it oust everyones minds. Well, they would like that to happen. Remember, the number of veterans who were part of the insurrectionist crowd as well. And in fact, i have had many conversations with secretary austin and other members of the Biden Administration<\/a> at the d. O. D. About how we absolutely need to look at any type of White Supremacists<\/a> that are still members of the military and how theyre being targeted for recruitment by white supremacist groups and we need to weed this out. There was a domestic extremism report from the director of National Intelligence<\/a> which said that racially or ethnically motivated militia or violent extremists pose the most lethal threats. With the most persistent and concerning transnational connections. It does seem like there is a kind of belated acknowledgment of the centrality of this in terms of whatever threats there may be for the american people. Oh, absolutely. And you know, i think this whole idea of Police Officer<\/a> on Police Officer<\/a> violence, with those officers who have been turned by white extremists is really scary to me. And i know its got to be scary for the other Police Officers<\/a> as well. To look out now, Capitol Police<\/a> for example, to look out and realize, hey, these were their brothers in blue, some of them, actively serving brothers in blue who attacked them that day. You had a tweet in response to the news about the sheriff in Cherokee County<\/a> selling those tshirts or at least tweeting about them. Not only should this racist be fired, we need an independent investigation to find out if his racism influenced his performance on the job to protect and serve all of Cherokee County<\/a>. Action must be taken. The only way we root out racism is to stop it at the source. Why were you so upset about that . Well, i am so upset about it because crimes against Asian Americans<\/a>, hate crimes against Asian Americans<\/a> is an underrepresented crime group in this country. Asian americans are often the victims of violence based on race but it doesnt get reported as that. It gets reported as, you know, its a mugging or something else. When it was really a hate crime based on race. Time and time again. And this especially happens to asian women. You saw what happened in atlanta. There is an oversexualization of asian women. And then this whole pervasive viewing of them as being more submissive and weaker. So they become the victims of crimes much more often, along with elderly asians. And so when you have Law Enforcement<\/a> officers, the people youre supposed to turn to for help who are belittling the severity of these crimes then when you have a situation where these crimes just dont get reported in fact, i issued i sent two letters today, one to the fbi director, mr. Wray, and one to attorney general garland asking them to please conduct formal investigations into the underreporting of crimes against Asian Americans<\/a> that are hate crimes in this country. You represent a state that has a large Asian American<\/a> Pacific Islander<\/a> population. And ive lived in that state myself. And i wonder what you are hearing from your constituents. I know i have just been hearing from a lot of people. Theres really a lot of fear and anxiety and anger, not before what happened in atlanta. But particularly in the aftermath of that atrocity. Theres a lot of fear. Ive heard from so many Asian Americans<\/a> across the country, not just in my home state, not just in the city of chicago. We know that crimes against Asian Americans<\/a> that are hate crimes rose by over 150 in americas major cities just this past year. 3,800 crimes were reported this past year. And we know those are underrepresented numbers. Im so grateful that our mayor lightfoot, in chicago, has stepped up and said that shes going to beef up protection and patrols in and among Asian American<\/a> areas. In chicago were a city of neighborhoods. Right . So you know where chinatown is. You know where Little Saigon<\/a> is. Just like in l. A. You know where korean town is. So Asian Americans<\/a> are easily targeted and easily attacked in these communities. And theres just a lot of fear right now. Senator Tammy Duckworth<\/a>. Who testified today at a house hearing were going to cover in a moment. Senator from illinois. Thank you so much for taking some time with us tonight. Thanks for having me on, chris. It really was an incredible day on capitol hill today at the hearing to address rising violence against Asian Americans<\/a>. One republican congressman used it as his own tonedeaf soapbox. And thats the reality of what i tend to refer to as the chi comms. And im not going to be ashamed to say i oppose the chi comms. I oppose the Chinese Communist<\/a> party. Chi comms. Okay. Youre going to want to hear the response to that including from congressman ted lieu who joins me next. Dont go anywhere. Me next. Dont go anywhere. You can say whatever you want on the first amendment. You can say racist, stupid stuff if you want. But im asking you to please stop using racist terms like kung flu or wuhan virus or other ethnic identifiers in describing this virus. I am not a virus. And when you say things like that, it hurts the asianamerican community. Todays house judiciary hearing on the disturbing rise in antiasian violence and discrimination since the start of the pandemic was scheduled before a gunman murdered eight people, including six asian women at three atlantaarea spas. Of course, just a day after that happened, the attack loomed large as democratic lawmakers appeal to republicans to stop from donald trump on down to stop using the kinds of language that people have long warned would inevitably increase antiasian hatred and bigotry. A republican congressman named chip roy of texas largely dismissed those concerns to the consternation of democrats on the committee. My concern about this hearing is that it seems to want to venture into the policing of rhetoric in a free society, free speech, and away from the rule of law. And taking out bad guys. I think the Chinese Communist<\/a> Party Running<\/a> the country of china, i think theyre the bad guys. I want to go back to something that mr. Roy said earlier. Your president and your party and your colleagues can talk about issues with any other country that you want. But you dont have to do it by putting a bullseye on the back of Asian Americans<\/a> across this country, on our grandparents, on our kids. This hearing was to address the hurt and pain of our community. And to find solutions, and we will not let you take our voice away from us. Joined now by one of the lawmakers you heard at the hearing, democratic congressman ted lieu of california, along with former prosecutor and msnbc legal contributor katy fang. Who wrote today that the atlanta shootings will test georgias new hate crimes law. Congressman, let me start with you. And i thought both that was congresswoman grace meng of queens if im not mistaken. And the things you said to your colleagues. You know, one thing that was striking at the hearing today and that ive been hearing is just, you know, people expressing a lot of years of hurt and trauma of the firsthand bigotry theyve experienced and seeing the cost of that. And i thought that really was i found that very affecting and moving today at the hearing. Im wondering how you felt just watching it unfold. Thank you, chris, for your question. Theres actually been a long history of discrimination against asianamericans. In the past, when america felt threatened, sometimes you would have discrimination against ethnic groups. So we had the whole yellow peril hysteria. Followed by the chinese exclusion act. You had the internment of over 120,000 japanese americans. With the rise of japan in the 1980s and fears of that you had vichbtd chen who was murdered. And now you have this pandemic causing a surge in Asian American<\/a> hate crimes. And many in the community have experienced this and they were expressing it nationally at this hearing, and that was a good thing for people to understand. You know, katy, i want to talk a little about the hate crime question because i think its a category people have a hard time actually getting their arms around. Theres an intuitive sense, right . That someone who commits a criminal act out of hatred of a certain ethnic group is committing it. I want to play you what the atlanta pd said today and then get your thoughts about what actually were dealing with legally, statutorily. So this is what the Atlanta Police<\/a> had to say today. The investigation into a possible hate crimes that still on the table . Our investigation is looking at everything. So nothing is off the table for our investigation. You wrote today for us about the sort of difficulty of these prosecutions. What is your sense of where this investigation sits and what that bar is to clear . Well, the spokesperson for the atlanta pd, chris, did the right thing versus what we heard yesterday during that press conference with the Cherokee County<\/a> Sheriffs Department<\/a>. Where they basically dehumanized the victims, humanized the shooter, and basically parroted what could potentially be a false narrative from the shooter in this case. But chris, its really important for everybody to understand that hate crimes are notoriously difficult to prosecute. You know, you think if it walks like a duck, it talks like a duck, it must be a duck. And we get it. We have eight victims of murder. Six of whom are asian and women. And the good news about the georgia hate crime statute which, by the way, was only enacted last year. Last year. Georgia was one of only four states in the United States<\/a> that did not have a hate crime statute on its books. And effective july 1st of 2020, spurred in part because of the Ahmaud Arbery<\/a> murder that happened in february of last year, georgia finally got its hatecrime statute back on the books. It had one before. It was declared unconstitutional and struck down in 2004. But that hate crime statute actually doesnt just cover race and religion and national origin. It covers gender. So for the Cherokee County<\/a> Sheriffs Department<\/a> to say, you know what . Race wasnt a factor according to the shooter. Well, boy, that is a convenient thing for the shooter to say. And maybe the evidence will play out to be the case, chris, at the end of the day, that it was not a racedriven crime. But maybe it was genderdriven. And that is why its important for the investigation to unfold, for a deep dive to happen, and the guys social media. We know that he has a history. Well, what is that history . Lets not race to figure out that this wasnt racially motivated until we actually look at all the evidence. And congressman, obviously theres sort of a larger issue here it strikes me about, a, the sort of rhetorical environment that has been created in the country, particularly in the last year of the pandemic, particularly as people like congressman roy want to rail against the ruling party of china. But also, just the data and and getting a sense of what, exactly, we are seeing. What do you see as the challenges at least in terms of federal policy . At the hearing today the expert witnesses testified that their Research Shows<\/a> there is a clear link between rhetoric and hate crimes. And when you have the former president of the United States<\/a> saying racist phrases like kung flu, you can see that there was also a surge in hate crimes against the asianamerican community. In fact, the data shows that in the 16 largest cities in america, it was nearly 150 percent increase in hate crimes in 2020. So i just call on my republican legislators to please stop using ethnic identifiers in describing a virus. I am not a virus. So stop using these ethnic identifiers because you are harming the asianamerican community. Katy, when you talked about the hate crime statute and the sort of necessity of intent part of it, too, right, is we do have a first amendment. We dont want to have viewpoint discrimination in terms of how we deal with people and the crimes they commit. It also seems, in this case, this is an individual who is going to get a lot of time no matter what, right . Yeah. So georgia has murder statutes. Georgia still has the death penalty. Right. I mean, if the purpose of a hate crime statute is a deterrent, georgias statute really is a weak sauce one. It only adds an additional two years if you are convicted of a felony and only an additional 12 months in jail if youre convicted of one of five enumerated misdemeanors. But the idea is, you know, hate crimes, you not only have to prove the murder but you have to prove that the defendant intentionally targeted a protected class of person. And thats why that is going to be the challenge not only in this case but in many cases. But the other important component of this hate crime statute in georgia is that it also forces Law Enforcement<\/a> to have to report these hate crimes. Right. Weve heard, time and time again, that the failure to report is what the problem is. And thats why hate crimes really need to be classified appropriately. Maybe that wasnt just a battery. Maybe it was an aggravated battery because of the hate component of it. Right. And thats why thats a crucial part of this statute. But as congressman lieu says, you know, the words matter. Rhetoric matters. And that is what is emboldening a lot of the people that were seeing, that are attacking asians now. Congressman ted lieu and katy phang, thank you so much for being with me. Really appreciate it. Next, how did some bizarre, meaningless post on a somewhat obscure online message board turn into one of the most influential conspiracy theories of our time . Oscarwinning filmmaker adam mckay tackles that question in his latest documentary series. And hes here to talk about it next. s here to talk about it next dealing with copd is a walk in the park. If i have something to help me breathe better, everything will be fun and nice. But i still have bad days flareups coughs , which can permanently damage my lungs. My lungs need protection against flareups. So its time to get real. Because in the real world our lungs deserves the real protection of breztri. Breztri gives you better breathing symptom improvement, and flareup protection. 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Do you know about the q movement . Are you familiar with what that is . I am familiar with that. Do you think q is a bad thing . Or is it just sort of i mean whats your opinion . No, i mean, honestly, everything i have heard of q, i hope i hope that this is real because it only means america is getting stronger and better. Republican congressman Lauren Boebert<\/a> seems open to the qanonconspiracy theory that donald trump was recruited as president to take on a cabal of satanworshipping democrats who molest children and all of whom are going to be rounded up and either sent to gitmo or executed. A few days ago when asked about accountability for lawless government officials boebert casually talked about going after, quote, a target while name dropping a far right newspaper that has helped spread qanon conspiracy theories in the past telling the crowd, i heard someone who was in very close contact with President Trump<\/a> talked to the owner of the epoch times and they said dont change anything, youre right over the target. Well, boebert seems to sympathize at least with the thrust of the qanon conspiracy theory. She has stopped short of calling herself an actual follower of q. Unlike many of the people who forced their way into the capitol on january 6th, believing they would receive further instructions from trump. Qanon as weve covered on the show has become some kind of superconspiracy theory that borders on sort of almost milleniarianist cult with millions of followers on facebook. And this sunday, the hbo documentary series, q into the storm takes an extended look at what its all about. Q proofs. Evidence that q is close to trump, or close to somebody who is close to trump. Photos, random codes, and sometimes dated references. They inspire the player to research online, to connect whatever dots they may find, invent new theories. Trump put this photo on twitter. So you can see, if you trace the thumbs, they make a q. Adam mckay, executive producer of that docuseries and he joins me now. Adam, its great to have you on. I got to watch a few of these episodes. And i really loved it and i found it fascinating. How did this project come together . You know, it was sort of out of left field. We were contacted by cullen obek, a filmmaker whos done a lot of great documentaries. And he presented this footage to us, that he had been inside the rise of 8chan with the owners and creators of that site starting thee years ago when q was a pretty small, little fringe conspiracy theory. And he stayed inside of it and had a view on the growth of q that, i think, very few people have achieved. And we were absolutely blown away by the footage he was showing us. Yeah. One of the things i found sort of, compelling and humanizing about it is you sort of watch people go down the road of it. From something thats casual to something that feels both cultish and sort of overwhelming and takes over their life. Yeah. I think what people dont fully understand about it is that the more it doesnt fit into the elites framework of how the world should work the more powerful it makes the movement. And these are people that have lived through, you know, the idea that the economists told us that if we give up our factories that its going to be good for everyone. They saw colin powell, the most trusted man in america, tell us that, you know, iraq had weapons of mass destruction. They saw the Obama Administration<\/a> say that there were no bankers worth prosecuting. And i think at a certain point what you saw was a large group of people decide to go into another reality. A reality that not necessarily was based on logic but one that was their own. And thats precisely whats so powerful about it. But there is also something about it that seems, in some ways almost divorced from any particularities, insofar as like theres this very deep human desire to make connections. I am reminded of like the first time someone tried to pull me aside at a party when i was a teenager and tell me about the illuminati and show me the dollar bill and the pyramid and spin out this whole thing. You know, this has this this has this political valence as well, right . Its that its all of the kind of allure of putting together some puzzle other people dont see. But its in service of this very intense political movement. Yeah. I think whats interesting about it is it really relates you could look at gamer or gamestop as kind of the same idea. Or you could look at bitcoin, where you have these groups of people that have had enough with kind of the consensus elite realty and are just creating their own realty. Because the other one isnt working for them. They lost their factories. You know, bankers werent prosecuted. The iraq war. Now, i dont mean to justify what theyre doing. What theyre doing is very dangerous. And a lot of times, nosedives into White Nationalism<\/a> and some pretty frightening theories about dehumanizing large groups of people. But i think when you have to acknowledge that theres a lack of a prevailing narrative from science and the elites, and in that vacuum youre going to see things like q and youre going to see things like gamestop fill this void. I mean, back in the day it was the tea party. And we know the tea party was really orchestrated by the koch network. But it didnt matter. These people had a place to belong. They had a place to channel their anger, which is the reason you cant entirely dismiss it, despite the fact that on its surface it really is unhinged, that theyre against pedophiles yet somehow, trump, who is a friend of epsteins, is their champion. Right. Even though trump has praised epstein for years. None of it makes sense but thats also part of the power of it. There are some people i think who saw the trailer, and were a little nervous about the how you balance looking at this and not sort of glorifying it or sort of it essentially, acting as a kind of vector for the, you know, for the spread of this really pretty unhinged and really violent fantasy. Yeah. I think when you see the series you realize there is no risk of that. I mean, the people behind this are very fringy, sketchy people. I mean, they are based out of manila. The one guy, jim watkins, has previously hosted pornography sites. The whole idea for 8chan was created from fred brennan while he was on a mushroom trip. Its kind of breathtakingly fringy and ad hoc. So the idea of it ever coming off cool, i dont think we are in any danger of it feeling like youre watching goodfellas. Adam mckay, who has got this hbo documentary series q into the storm premieres this sunday march 21st on hbo and hbo max. He also has a new podcast i just started bingeing called death of the wing about basketball and politics in the 1980s. And that debuts march 31st but i have been listening to some of the episodes which are, like, right in my wheelhouse of interest. People should check that out. Thank you both for both, adam. My pleasure, chris. And thank you for everything you do. Appreciate it. All right. Dont go anywhere. Next, dr. Fauci gives it right back to ron paul rand paul in the senate today. They had a testy exchange. 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And despite the fact there are still about 55,000 new cases and over 1,000 deaths from this disease every day, some republicans like kentucky senator rand paul are still doing everything they can to, well, rush through and undermine any kind of longterm suppression of the virus in this country. Suggesting that telling people to wear masks is just a political game. What studies do you have that people that have had the vaccine or have had the infection are spreading the infection . If were not spreading the infection, isnt it just theater . No, its not. Have a vaccine and you are wearing two masks. Isnt that theater . No, its not. Here we go, again, with the theater. Lets get down to the facts. When you talk about reinfection, and you dont keep in the concept of variants, thats an entirely different ball game. Thats a good reason for a mask. In the South African<\/a> study conducted by j j, they found that people who were infected with wild type and were exposed to the variant in south africa, the 351, it was as if they had never been infected before. They had no protection. Let me just state, for the record, that masks are not theater. Masks are protective. And we if you already have immunity, they are theater. If you already have immunity youre wearing a mask to give comfort to others. Youre not wearing a mask because of any science. I totally disagree with you. Now, i dont actually think rand pauls instinct here is completely nuts. I mean, i really want to get to the point, hopefully, where we have both enough data and enough people vaccinated to suppress the virus that masks for folks who have, for instance, been vaccinated arent necessary. But faucis point is that were not there yet in terms of what we know. Even if you have had covid, even if youve gotten the vaccine, we are not sure enough right now that you cant transmit the virus, particularly variants of the virus that are emerging. You need to wear a mask in public, because we just dont know how dangerous some of these new strains of covid can be. Earlier today former trump adviser scott atlas, an infamous individual who advocated for more people to get covid to speed up herd immunity and advised donald trump during the most destructive deadly portion of his covid policy, that same scott atlas, a man whose reputation should probably be tarnished forever and its amazing he shows his face in public, participated in a panel along with some other contrarians with republican Florida Governor<\/a> ron desantis. He falsely claimed that masks do not work. And they also claimed that lockdowns do more harm than good. This is more or less the consensus view among a big portion of republican governors. It lines up with messages the republican governors in texas and mississippi who have completely opened businesses in the state and removed all mask mandates. Dr. Fauci addressed those decisions before his hearing. I think its pretty clear that there are some states now that are pulling back i believe a bit more prematurely than they should on the Public Health<\/a> measures. We have been talking about this now for a couple of weeks. Very sharp decline that we had, which was really good news. Has now over the last few weeks plateaued at around 50,000, 55,000 new cases per day. Thats much too high to be declaring victory. We have spent a lot of time recently talking about how things could be normal soon. But were not there yet. And one thing i cant stress enough. We have seen this over the past year. Weve been through this a bunch of times. That the virus is either growing or shrinking. It doesnt just sit still. And after a long time of shrinking, right now, there are signs it is growing again in places like michigan and massachusetts and others. That said, there is still so much good news out there. I mean, there were 2. 7 million vaccine doses administered across the country today. Thats a record for a thursday. Close to the overall singleday record. The European Medicines Agency<\/a> says astrazenecas vaccine is safe to use. While the Biden Administration<\/a> plans to start sharing millions of doses of the vaccine, which were just sitting around, since it hasnt yet been approved in the states, to help speed up vaccinations in mexico and canada. The administrations already sent out 90 million stimulus checks totaling more than 242 billion, to help americans recover from the economic effects of the pandemic. I am going to talk to congresswoman katie porter about that in just a few minutes. So again, things are beginning to turn around. Weve got a lot of folks vaccinated. They should be getting even better, very soon. But we just cant let folks like rand paul and ron desantis push us to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This is a time for optimism. But its not a time for relaxation. I need all americans, i need all of you to do your part. Wash your hands. Stay socially distanced. Keep masking up, as recommended by the cdc. And get vaccinated when its your turn. Nows not the time to let down our guard. In the last week weve seen increases in the number of cases in several states. Scientists have made clear that things may get worse as new variants of this virus spread. I know its hard to say, well, its Getting Better<\/a> but hold on a little bit more. But thats really where we are right now, right . And one thing i will say. Its getting warmer across the country. Even in the northeast, even the cold part. So look, if your governor says restaurants are open or gyms are open, movie theaters are open, or you that dont need to wear a mask, use your own judgment. Listen to publichealth professionals, who know what they are talking about. Remember, as it gets warmer, do stuff outside. So we can ease into a more normal summer instead of a fourth wave of covid. Of covid emulsions for 100 whiter teeth. Its highly active peroxide droplets swipe on in seconds. Better. Faster. 100 whiter teeth. Crestwhitesmile. Com overspending on a retinol cream . Just one jar of olay retinol24 hydrates better than the 100 retinol cream. For smooth, bright skin or your money back. Olay. Face anything. And try new retinol24 max. Its totally normal to have constipation with belly pain, straining, and bloating, again and again. No way. More exercise. More water. And more fiber is the only way to manage it. Is it . Maybe you think. Its occasional constipation. Maybe its not. It could be a chronic medical condition called ibsc, and time to say yesss to linzess. Linzess works differently than laxatives. It helps relieve belly pain and lets you have more frequent and complete bowel movements. Do not give linzess to children less than six and it should not be given to children six to less than 18, it may harm them. Do not take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. Get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain, especially with bloody or black stools. The most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. If its severe, stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. Other side effects include gas, stomach area pain, and swelling. Change your thinking to ibsc. If your constipation and belly pain keeps coming back, tell your doctor and say yesss to linzess. For nearly a week now, the government has been sending out 1,400 stimulus checks across the country at a record pace. Already the treasury says its made 90 million payments. That puts an estimated 242 billion in american pockets. Joining me to talk about this first wave of covid relief is democratic congresswoman katie porter of california. Congresswoman, are you happy or disappointed with the scale and speed so far of the implementation of this piece of legislation . Im delighted that were moving quickly to get the checks out, but of course im disappointed that we waited through march, april, may, june, july, august, september, october, november, december, all the way until we got a new president to be able to deliver this. I think there is a parallel to what were seeing with vaccine distribution. We waited way too long under President Trump<\/a>, and now under President Biden<\/a> people are just counting the minutes until they get the help that they waited for for months and months. There is some concern about debt collectors and about garnishment of wages. There has been some back and forth. There is a little talk of this in one Senate Committee<\/a> hearing today. There werent statutory protections put into this bill, but i wonder, as someone who has had a lot to say about how predatory Financial Institutions<\/a> can be, if you have thoughts on this. Yeah, the point of these checks in their very name, they are survival checks. That they are Disaster Relief<\/a> checks. They are here to help people make ends meet. And in our country right now two in five households are saying they are struggling to put food on the table. And so i Wish Congress<\/a> had acted to make it Crystal Clear<\/a> that debt collectors are not to take this money. But to be clear, nobody forces debt collectors to take a garnishment. They can see that this is the governments money intended to help the american people, not to pad their profits. You have been youve been very outspoken about Domestic Violence<\/a>, violence against women and the violence against women act. You had this tweet yesterday. Each year millions suffer Domestic Abuse<\/a> in silence because theyre financially dependent on their partners. Im proud of my measure to integrate economic abuse as i aform of Domestic Violence<\/a> is included in the violence against women act which the house voted to renew today. Explain to me that provision. Yes. So the reality here is that when people are in an abusive intimate Partner Relationship<\/a> that Financial Abuse<\/a> is present most of the time in more than three in four instances. And this can take a variety of forms, everything from restricting the persons access to cash for basic necessities to coercing them into signing for debts that ruin their credit. So we know this is a prevalent phenomenon, and its important to make clear that any kind of abuse toward an intimate relationship is wrong. And economic abuse is a really key part of why people stay with their abusers and are not able to leave. How do you how do you have the law handle that . I know that, you know, the area of Domestic Abuse<\/a>, particularly whats happened the last 20 years, rights that there has been a lot more legislation, a lot more targeted efforts to give Women Protection<\/a> and then also concerns from a lot of folks that it has exacerbated mass incarceration or has put police in situations where theyre not the best people to be. How do you balance those as you think about sort of policy solutions . What this provision would do is allow a judge after hearing evidence of economic abuse to enter appropriate orders to make sure that both parties, including the victim, have the ability to support themselves after leaving their abuser. So it can issue, for example, injunctions to repair ruined credit. It can take actions like that. You were on the Financial Services<\/a> committee, and that made a lot of sense because you had studied those issues. You had been a scholar in those issues. You had written about them publicly. Youre no longer on the Financial Services<\/a> committee, and there has been some reporting and questions about what happened. I just want to ask you in person what happened. Yes. I loved serving on the Financial Services<\/a> committee. I also love serving on the oversight committee. Because of how the committees are structured, i was the most junior person on oversight. I was at risk of losing that seat, so i asked to make oversight my primary. I then asked for a waiver to stay on Financial Services<\/a>. There were eight or nine spots. There were 10 or 11 of us who applied. I didnt get it. Do you know why . I dont know why. Those decisions come from a recommendation of the steering and policy committee and i dont have any insight into it. But im obviously not going to let anyone, Party Leaders<\/a> in either party, stop me from working on these issues, stop me from bringing what i know about how hard it is for americans to ends meet to our congress. Im going to keep making policies that help address the needs of american families, whatever committee im assigned to. There are a lot of people who have pointed to the American Rescue<\/a> plan as a kind of turning point, right . That the politics surrounding austerity, surrounding, you know, what was derisively called for many years welfare, that if you give people money theyre not going to work, that youll take away their incentive, that theres something definitive in a break with that that was embodied in the American Rescue<\/a> plan because of the way that it so frontally attacks child poverty, the fact you have these checks in there and all the long list of provisions. And as someone who sort of studied this and has written about this i wonder what you think. I think its wonderful that at long last congress is actually doing something that makes perfect sense. We are drawing on the research and the research is Crystal Clear<\/a>. When you give lowincome or struggling families additional money, what they spend it on is food. More food and more nutritious food. That is the first thing they put it toward. This bill is literally going to keep kids from going to school hungry. Its going to keep parents from having to decide whether to feed a child theyre caring for or a parent. So its absolutely correct that this bill represents a break, but its not a break from reality. Its congress recognizing the reality, which is additional money to lowincome families, helps them meet their basic needs and that benefits our entire workforce and our entire economy. Congresswoman katie porter in california, thank you so much for your time tonight. Thank you. That is all in on this thursday night. The Rachel Maddow<\/a> show starts right now. Good evening, rachel. Good evening, chris. Thank you, my friend. Much appreciated. And thanks to you at home for joining us here this hour. 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