and senator cory booker on the biden agenda and the president's executive orders to address systemic racism, when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight republicans in the united states senate took a vote to show that they have no intention to hold the former president accountable for his role in the january 6 assault in the capitol that led to the death of a capitol police officer. that vote comes as we learn new disturbing details of a threat that day against the family of a leading member of congress. today we learn of this, an indictment in the southern district of new york charging that on january 6, the day of the riot, the day of the assault, the day that people died in that building, a 35-year-old california man sent threatening text messages to a family member of a new york city-based u.s. congressman, including a text to his brother reading the following. your brother is putting your entire family at risk with his lies and other words. we are armed and nearby your house. you had better have a word with him. the target of the threat was the family of congressman hakeem jeffries. congressman jeffries will join us here in just a moment. thankfully he and his family are safe. the man now in custody did not travel to the capitol for the riots but is charged against making those threats against congressman jeffries' family on the same day the riots took place january 6th. and he believed what the rioters believed, a false claim pushed again and again by the president and members of the republican party and fox news and conservative media that donald trump won the election. that his supporters should keep an office to save democracy and stop the steal. today the fbi said it has now opened 400 investigations into those involved in the riot. so far 150 of them have resulted in criminal charges. but accountability for the elites who inspired the rioters, donald trump and the other elected officials, who incited that insurrection, that's harder to come by. this afternoon after senators were sworn in for trump's impeachment trial, a trial that could stop trump from ever holding office again, republican senator rand paul of kentucky forced a vote on whether the trial itself is unconstitutional, arguing it is not constitutional because trump is out of office. now, most legal experts, we should point out, say the trial is flatly constitutional. in fact just to be clear, the senate has tried former office holders before. there is ample precedent established. now, it would take two-thirds of the senate to convict trump, 67 senators out of 100. so if more than 33 vote the trial is unconstitutional, you've probably not going to get a conviction. and here's what happened. 55 senators, including all the democrats said the trial does not violate the constitution, only five republicans agreed. that leaves 45 republicans who left open the notion the entire enterprise is unconstitutional. now, that tally may not ultimately reflect the final vote on impeachment, but it strongly suggests and indeed rand paul wanted it to suggest that there will not be 67 votes in the senate to convict trump. because listen to me, those republicans are saying, and they have been saying this for years and everyone should pay attention when they do, we're fine with what trump does and did. we are the party of donald trump. we like trumpism. that is what we stand for. that's the project we're all engaged in. we don't want to excise the trump cancer from the body politic. we don't care that it degraded american democracy that we came within minutes of a lynch mob chanting "kill mike pence." no. donald trump is our leader. we don't care about that stuff. we want to stick it to you libs. among those who voted for a procedural matter, point of order that the impeachment trial is unconstitutional or voted at least to debate that matter, mitch mcconnell. now, mitch mcconnell saying, well, maybe this is all unconstitutional because the president is not the president anymore. you'll remember it was that same guy, doesn't he look familiar? the same guy who was the majority leader a few weeks ago and one of his last acts of majority leader was to refuse to take up the trial in a timely manner until trump left office. so there was a riot on capitol hill incited by the president. it killed five people including a police officer. we watched people with maga flags and trump hats beat people to within an inch of their life and mitch mcconnell said, well, you can impeach him but let's wait. then after he waited, he said, you know what, it might be too late to try him. now, this is what they have been doing more or less since trump wrapped up the nomination, right? just complete bowing and scraping. thank you, sir, may i have another? it's humiliating. i finding it embarrassing on their behalf. i do. even as the guy is now out of office and unsconced at the omlette bar at mar-a-lago. part of the reason is they realize radical by any means necessary efforts to undo american democracy, modern multi racial american democracy is what the party stands for as it is invested in. that's who they're pandering to. there's no principle here, it's just raw power politics. who and whom, to quote someone once. listen to nikki haley today. >> i mean they beat him up before he got into office. they are beating him up after he leaves office. i mean at some point, i mean, give the man a break. i mean move on. >> the contradiction here is apparent, right? move on. it was three weeks ago. this is the party that spent more than two years and held dozens of hearings on the four americans killed in benghazi. when it comes to police officers beaten with american flags while members cowered inside fearing for their lives, it's three weeks. get over it. and remember, we still don't know everything about what happened, not even close. today "the washington post" broke the news that the commander of the d.c. national guard, the pentagon restricted his authority ahead of the riot, requiring higher level sign-off to respond that cost time as events that day spiraled out of control. hopefully we'll learn more about why it took so long to account a. meanwhile, more arrests day by day. among them a new york man who wore his high school varsity jacket to the capitol siege, complete with his name, the name of his high school and his former football jersey number which certainly made the feds' job easier. a judge ruled another man, known as zip tie guy, remaining in custody after the fbi revealed they found a safe full of guns including assault rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. and there's the arrest of the man now charged with making terrifying threats to the family of my next guest, congressman hakeem jeffries of new york. great to have you on, congressman. just tell me what you know and what you're willing to say. obviously there's some security concerns here, about the threats this individual directed at family members of yours on january 6th. >> well, good evening, chris. thanks for having me on. and i just want to express my angst and deep gratitude to the fbi, the nypd, the capitol police as well as all of the law enforcement authorities who clearly have taken this threat and all of the threats that have been directed at members of congress and others seriously in a moment where we saw a violent attack on the capitol incited and encouraged by donald trump. this is something that unfolded on january 6th, directed at a family member of mine. this individual apparently had secured a phone number, secured an address, made it appear as though they were prepared proceed violently either at the address of my family member and/or my own home address samt at the same time that the capitol was being aattacked. the most important thing here, chris, what was chilling in the message that was received, this individual said stop telling lies. biden did not win. he will not be president. and so he was radicalized by the big lie that donald trump told and that has been supported by so many republicans in the house and the senate. >> i just want to be clear here on the details because i read through some of the unsealed complaint in the southern district. and i want to protect the identity of folks here so i'll just refer to a family member. but just -- i mean it's one thing, obviously you're a congressman, right, and i can imagine that your cell phone number probably circulates among various people. if you got a threat like that, it would spook you and you would report it. but for a family member of yours, to have their cell phone number, someone say you go talk to your brother or we're coming for you and also intimate that they were outside of the residence or knew where the residence was when this is unfolding on national television, that is really unnerving. >> it certainly was unnerving. and this is something that actually unfolded at the same moment that we had been evacuated, the mob is violently attacking the capitol. those images were being broadcast to family members of members of congress all across the country who were uncertain as to what was happening to us. and at the same time communicating on a cell phone that is not publicly available and sending images of the neighborhood where this family member resides. and so it was clearly designed to instill terror. i'm just thankful that law enforcement officials have apprehended this individual and will allow the process to play itself out. but we can't allow the radicalization of these individuals to go without consequence. and a former president of the united states is responsible for this type of activity. he's the person who has perpetrated the big lie that he actually won the election and that the presidency was stolen by joe biden and democrats in the house and other individuals like mike pence. that's why there were people who violently attacked the capitol, were there to assassinate nancy pelosi, hang mike pence, and hunt down members of congress. and now you've got senate republicans who want to whitewash the whole thing. well, we're not going to allow them to whitewash anything. the house impeachment managers are going to proceed and they're going to present a compelling case. i'm hopeful that we can find 12 additional senate republicans prepared to do the right thing and convict donald trump. >> what goes through your head when you hear nikki haley say, i mean come on, move on, give the guy a break. >> yeah, i mean it's such an outrageous statement and shows how people who i previously had respect for have just been corrupted with this sycophantic behavior in connection with donald trump for whatever the reason. it's really a sickness that seems to have infected the republican party and hopefully they'll figure out how to extricate themselves from it. nikki, we are not moving on from insurrection. we're not moving on from sedition. we're not moving on from a violent assault on the capitol no matter what you might think of our effort to hold this president accountable. >> you mention that you hold the president at least partly responsible for what happened that day, even for this individual that threatened a family member of yours. he said stop lying about the election. he believes what the president told him and what various right-wing media told him and various enablers told him for weeks. adam serwer said we're going with the abu ghraib model of justice, which is that the small fries involved get time and the elites who enabled them get to pretend it wasn't their fault. the people involved in those horrendous photos were prosecuted but there was very little accountability up the chain, particularly not for donald rumsfeld who wouldn't resign they time. how important is that for those in power on january 6? >> it's incredibly important. we're going to start with the organized crime boss who formerly lived at 1600 pennsylvania avenue and then we have to deal with some of the underbosses like josh hawley, ted cruz and kevin mccarthy who continues to support these qanon caucus, conspiracy caucus and crackpot caucus members who have taken over the house republican conference. but let's start with the president of the united states, the former twice impeached president, i could say, and then proceed from there. the house impeachment managers, they're going to conduct themselves in a solemn and serious and substantive fashion. and i remain hopeful and optimistic that the senators will follow the facts, apply the law, be guided by the constitution and let the chips fall where they may regardless of party affiliation. >> all right, congressman hakeem jeffries, i hope your family members are safe and sound and in good shape and thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, chris. i want to turn to two reporters closely following the arrests. tina nguyen and ryan. ryan, you've become this kind of police blotter for me as these cases roll through. let's talk about our individual with the varsity jacket of his high school and his football jersey. how was he identified and apprehended? >> yeah, i mean so he had a very distinguishing jacket. people saw that jacket on the news as someone who is going into the capitol. actually the police chief for the town called up the fbi. there is a number of tips from former classmates who made the connection. so that's what we've seen a lot of honestly. there's a trend in a lot of these stories for some of these lower level cases, the layup cases where it's an easy charge to bring because there's so much evidence, they have bragged on social media, that a lot of former classmates have been bringing. so it's like the worst person you knew in high school, you're extracting your revenge on them. the person you've watched go through this process of being radicalized online and on facebook, now they're able to pull the trigger. so there are these cases that we've seen where family members are making hard decisions but there's a lot of cases where people turning these people into the fbi really seem to be enjoying it, honestly. >> tina, ryan mentioned family members. there's just one case a son tipping off the fbi about his father who was charged in the capitol riot. there's been other cases as well in the court filings. it's part of this larger phenomenon that you've reported on and witnessed of family members watching loved ones essentially fall down this hole. this cult essentially. they get cut off from all mainstream information and become radicalized as they watch it happen. >> absolutely. there's actually -- there's a big phenomenon of qanon -- family members of qanon supporters and banding together and realizing they're not the only ones whose loved ones have fallen down this rabbit hole. so it's encouraged them to stand up and say, hey, look, our own family members -- yeah, they did something horrific, so we want to do our part to help pull them back from that. and that's honestly why you're seeing a lot of family members not just turn in their own family members but also be public about it. >> there's another individual, kenny grayson, ryan, there was a tweet, kenny, get the hell out of there. it's a federal offense to be in there. kenny, they're in the senate chamber! can you get in anywhere? take photos, take documents. this is i think from his facebook page. he deleted it, but the feds got it anyway. >> these were sent while he was in the senate. he's getting competing messages. on the one hand he's getting keep going, you're doing great. on the other hand he's getting people saying what are you doing, it's a federal offense, get out of there. so you have these competing things. a lot of this is a huge social media thing, as we've seen it play out. people are doing it for the likes, doing it for feedback and getting that positive sort of feedback in many instances is what's fueling them to do more of this. >> yeah, and there's different categories here. people who were there and sort of went in, those who planned for this ahead of time, those who were posting and those who weren't. "the wall street journal" did a real breakdown, tina, and showing how much the proud boys were instigators. they were a key part of this and in some ways doing less of the self posting as they were doing it. >> well, the proud boys have been organized for years, and they have known how to navigate around law enforcement. they have this -- they have a strategic method of attacking people, attacking counterprotesters, dealing with the police. i was personally at the capitol outside right before the riots happened. i did talk to a proud boy who was dressed in black and i was like why aren't you wearing your normal black and yellow colors? he said it's because right now we're trying to blend in. i'm providing security for this event, but there is a plan underfoot. he was super coy about exactly what that meant. but they are well organized. they do know how to cause the most chaos and if there is no chaos, that is coming from an external force such as, say, antifa, they love getting into fights with antifa to prove them violent, they will try to instigate some sort of attack or make it look like there's some sort of chaos. that's the sort of way that they thrive. that's unfortunately how it played out on january 6th. >> and this is my concern about where we are, ryan. these people are being apprehended and i think that's good that there's some accountability here for folks who broke the law and were part of this riot. but you wonder like the people that weren't doing all of the self-incriminating am activity, whoever had those pipe bombs, that individual is still at large which i finding striking. >> that is a concern. people on social media are a little more distracting from serious cases. you think of officer brian sicknick whose killer hasn't been plot to justice yet. we don't know a ton about what is going on with that case. we got a little bit of a hint that there's some ongoing action that the feds can't talk about but they haven't put out anything and said this is the person we're looking for, this is the person who did it which makes you think there's a lot going on behind the scenes because this is obviously a high priority for the fbi. >> in 20 years of being a reporter and reporting on law enforcement, protests against them, shootings in which police are targeted or in which police pull the trigger, i have never, ever, ever, ever seen a police department be so reticent with information about the death of one of their own. i mean it is usually the opposite. they are out there, they are talking about it all the time, they are giving you updates, they are giving you details, they are telling you who suspects are. i've never seen anything like this in the 20 years i've been a reporter. tina nguyen and ryan reilly, thank you so much for sharing your reporting with us. appreciate it. next up, republicans signal they have no plans to course correct after the last four years. the party of trump is not going anywhere. what that means for the biden agenda after this. biden ag enda after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ smooth driving pays off. ♪ with allstate, the safer you drive the more you save. ♪ you never been in better hands. allstate. click or call for a quote today. when you switch to xfinity mobile, you're choosing to get connected you never been in better hands. to the most reliable network nationwide, now with 5g included. discover how to save up to $300 a year with shared data starting at $15 a month, or get the lowest price for one line of unlimited. come into your local xfinity store to make the most of your mobile experience. you can shop the latest phones, bring your own device, or trade in for extra savings. stop in or book an appointment to shop safely with peace of mind at your local xfinity store. put aside all the moral considerations for a moment and ask yourself this question. what if every republican who wanted to be president in, say, 2024, particularly those in the senate, came together to convict donald trump and then vote to bar him from further office? you would think that would be in their best interests, right? the one shot to remove the competition. but instead, it's hard to figure out what they're thinking, the strategy seems to be, step one, slavishly support trump no matter what. step 2, i don't know, hope for the best? step 3, then somehow defeat trump or one of his kids in the primary. good luck with that. someone who's seen firsthand with republicans tim miller, writer at large for the bulwark and he joins me now. i want to put aside moral considerations, constitutional considerations, just like pure cold-hearted calculation of political self-interest. i just don't get anyone, rubio, hawley, cruz, nikki haley, all these people. what do you think is going to happen in 2024? either he's going to run or one of his kids are going to run. in what universe are you going to be the one to beat him as the inheritor of the trump legacy? >> well, chris, i think i can explain it for you. i lived through this in 2016 as you know. we did exactly that strategy you just laid out. ted cruz executed the strategy, marco rubio tried to execute the strategy, be nice to trump, be nice to trump, wait until you have a one-on-one, beat trump. that was kind of logical in 2016, right, because this had worked in 2012 against michele bachmann and herman cain and some of these crazies. but now after you live through all of this, all of these guys know that's not going to work. so when you ask what their strategy is, chris, they decided that the trade with trump is worth it. that's it. they have decided what trump brings into the party, the fact that all these people show up to their rallies now, the fact that they were able to get all these judges through, that's a trade that they have decided was worth it. they don't give a damn if trump is going to try to overthrow the democracy or, you know, side with white nationalists or anything else. >> oh, yeah. i think some of them are onboard with the agenda. i think actually hawley actually opposes majority rule as currently constituted -- i really mean that. >> right. >> the stand he took was about that. this idea that the most charitable thing to say about these people is they're cowards. that's the most charitable thing to say, which is they're making some calculation. i think the evidence is clear that a lot of them just like are on board with the trumpist project. it's not that they're afraid of crossing him, it's when you -- like ron johnson i think likes donald trump and thinks donald trump was a good president and i think a lot of them think that way. >> for sure. ron johnson -- look, in the bulwark we had one of the former republican county chairs write about this. ron johnson told him he thinks people that go to trump rallies and stormed the capitol love america and the people at bernie rallies don't love america. i disagree with you on this actually, i think the cowards are worse. others like marco rubio saw this clearly. in 2016 he said if we nominate somebody like donald trump who keeps inciting this kind of violence, uses this violent talk, eventually somebody is going to take him seriously and that would be a disaster for this country. that's what marco rubio said in 2016. now he's on board with it. now he's like that's great. i want more. i want four more years of donald trump. so i think that's far worse to me actually than the ron johnson calculation. but that's what these guys have made. they have had this opportunity so many times now. they had it after the "access hollywood" tape, they had it at the first impeachment and now he's not even in office. he can't even hate tweet them anymore, twitter has banned him and still they are rolling over for him because it's what their voters want. they like the popularity that he brings. as you said, some of them like the whole anti-democratic project. >> yeah. it's wild too just because having covered politics, you never get a vote to disqualify your opponent. like when does that happen in politics. you're going to have a vote and if you vote the right way, that guy can't ever run against you. no one ever gets that. there is no universe. here the democrats just coming up to republicans on a silver platter saying this is right morally, it's correct constitutionally but also it would do this thing. they're like not interested, we want donald trump. >> not only that, donald trump is the clear favorite. they're taking out their best challenger, right? if he wants to run in 2024, he's an overwhelming favorite. hawley already said he'd support him. you know, chris, that's what i'm saying. they have all made this calculation and none of them are up for this fight. i think that they're worried frankly that if they did it, that they would end up losing to somebody stupider, like marjorie taylor green or a fox news host would beat them. >> absolutely true. the void left would be like, yeah, right, that is a very good point. tim miller, that was depressing, but thank you for making time tonight. >> that's what i'm here for, chris. ahead, to understanding the scope of the catastrophic failures made by our government in this pandemic response, we need to have an investigation and a formal accounting of what went wrong. i'll explain, next. g of what went wrong i'll explain, next never letting anything get in my way. not the doubts, distractions, or voice in my head. and certainly not arthritis. voltaren provides powerful arthritis pain relief to help me keep moving. and it can help you too. feel the joy of movement with voltaren. use a single hr software? 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"the new york times" wrote this, early on the state got a significant head start because it initially opted out of the federal program to vaccinate people in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities. instead, west virginia created a network of pharmacies pairing them with 200 long-term care facilities. as a result, west virginia finished its first round of nursing homes last month while many states were just getting started. pretty striking. >> pretty striking. it's not clear that getting in or out of the federal program really makes a difference. obviously as my colleague bill wrote on the brookings website, in west virginia what happened was these pharmacies were very local. >> right. >> and because they were local, peep trusted them. >> yes. >> so people who ordinarily would not -- would maybe be a little leery of the vaccine, knew their pharmacist and the pharmacist said, hey, get this, this is okay. so that may be an element of social trust that was working in west virginia. we don't really know what's happening in a lot of these other states, but as you said in your earlier piece, that's one of the reasons we need a covid-19 commission. we need to figure out what happened throughout this entire disaster. >> elaine kamarack who's been doing great work on this, thank you so much for making time for us tonight. >> thanks so much. ahead, senator cory booker on how president biden and the democrats plan to prevent two hands of obstruction at the hands of minority leader mitch mcconnell. he joins me next. y leader mitch mcconnell. he joins me next (mimics missile) the ink! dad!!! dad!!! i'm so hosed. yeah, you are. 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what is the sentiment in the caucus about how democrats should proceed with this very slim majority? >> mitch mcconnell was willing to roll back senate rules and senate standards to pack the court. so when he got rid of what is called the blue slip, which gave more oversight over circuit court judges, he didn't lecture about the importance of that. he rolled back the 60 vote threshold on supreme court nominees and circuit court nominees. so when it fit him, he eroded the senate rules to achieve what is one of his top aims. that to me is just unfortunate. so at a time when senate democrats represent 41 million more people than senate republicans, where we have a president that was elected by more than 7 million votes, we're overwhelmingly on everything from minimum wage, which democrats, republicans, independents want to see happen, stimulus checks, i can go through all the things that are wildly popular on both sides of the aisle. for him to obstruct that, to use the tools to get around it is really under fortunate. >> well, i mean, i agree it is unfortunate. the question is then what? so i mean, two questions here. one is like, i know that you can't betray confidences and we're on national television so you'll tell me what you can. but you know, just look. it the thinnest possible majority you can have, right? 50 plus one. vice president breaks the tie. it mean every vote is a deciding vote. it means you happening together or in the words of benjamin franklin, everyone hangs separately. does everyone understand that? is everyone on board? or are you worried that we'll watch this attempt for some centrist compromise that's never happened and next thing you know, we're in march. >> so i think first of all, to be candid, these are conversations we're having in our caucus. there's an understanding if we want to hold this majority for more than two years, we have to make sure the american public sees what happens when democrats are in control. that they really affect their lives. if they don't feel that change, it will grow cynicism, less enthusiasm, less turnout. we have one shot, sorry to sound like eminem. we've got one shot here to show the american public we're serious and we're going to go big and bold. and i don't think that's a conservative democrat versus progressive democrat. i look around the country from arizona to georgia, two senate seats we have to win again in two years, and the people in those states want to see that we can bring real substantive meaningful challenge. >> so obviously, you are not, i mean, reef he will talked to senate majority leader chuck schumer and he'll be negotiating these strategic questions about the caucus. i guess my question is, is it crazy to think that could you just break things up and call votes on stuff? like, okay, $1,400 checks for everyone. who have we got? up or down? and i mean, i don't know if that would get 60 votes. i think it probably wouldn't. it seals like a useful thing to do at some appointment. i know there's the idea you want to break it up because you sacrifice things. it just seems like, i'm worried about each day that goes by with negotiations behind closed doors. >> right. i am very well aware, before i got here, as a mayor of a alarming large city, i walked how much democrats worked on the affordable care act. how much they worked on the bailout package in 2009 when cities like mine were in crisis. it made compromises to get republican votes and how many republican votes did they actually get? so i want to understand that i'm a guy who believes in working across the aisle and building coalitions. if we are going to bend and not pick up their votes, i would rather put a package through reconciliation that will meet the crisis of a pandemic, neat crisis of an economic downturn that has in some measures, worse than the great depression, and let americans know we are serious. they did that with a toxic trump tax cut. didn't get one of us to vote for it. they heralded it as his biggest accomplishment. not only did they blow trillion-dollar deficits but most of that, the overwhelming majority of those tax breaks went to the wealthiest among us in corporations. so i'm sorry. we are in a crisis. people are hurting. get on board. come to the table. work with us or i think we should be using the measures we have to get this done for the american people in the urgency of the moment. >> senator corey booker from the state of new jersey. thank you for your time. >> thank you. that's "all in." good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. your ears are about to be burning. i'm going on lead my she would the news you just broke with congressman jeffries in the last hour. thank you for doing that so artfully. >> really wild set of facts when you put yourself on the end of the person receiving the news of the attacks. >> you and i know, we cover lots of people who get lots of totally inappropriate and illegal threats in the course of political life as journal. is. we've experienced some of that ourselves. this being paired with the mass violence as the capitol was being overrun, it another level of terror. the fact that this is 20 days ago and we're li

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