Melting, the scary new warning from climate scientists about the way we use land, when all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. This week we saw the worst targeted mass murder of hispanics in recent American History and the largest ever single state raid of unauthorized immigrants over, overwhelmingly hispanics as well. There are still people in custody in mississippi whose sole crime was doing the grueling work of rendering chicken for americans to eat without authorization to do so, so you can i can drive up to a window and have a bag of nuggets handed to us. There are hundreds of kids who have been traumatized by the raid, and as far as we know, none of the owners of these chicken plants have been prosecuted or arrested or detained. It was just four days after the mass murder of 22 predominantly hispanic people in el paso by a person who said he was fighting back against an invasion, the very same word used repeatedly by the president and his propagandists. We now know when the shooter turned himself into police, he told them i wanted to kill mexicans. Many people have cited the similarity between the shooters manifesto and the president s rhetoric, but its more than just a passing resemblance. The core of the president s rhetoric about immigration is always a threat, as a danger, as an invasion. Fundamentally, immigration is an infection plaguing the country, an evil seeping across our borders. An analysis by usa today found trump used words like invasion, criminal, animal, and killer to discuss immigrants at rallies more than 500 times. The president is lying. We know hes lying because those are the things he says while he is whipping up fear. But he is also a businessman who tries to do whats best for his bottom line. Businessman donald trump doesnt view unauthorized immigrants as invaders, as an infestation. That donald trump has the correct view on immigrants, the view that correlates with how the vast majority operators. That immigration in the United States is a profound net benefit. Washington post reports today the Trump Organization has used a crew of latin american stoneworkers at his golf cower courses up and down the east coast. Several of those workers were unauthorized immigrants. Some of the former employed showed pay stubs from the former trump owned Company Mobile l. A. Llc. Several of the clubs unauthorized workers were fired. That didnt happen at mobile payroll construction. Here is the reality of immigration in the u. S. As opposed to the ridiculous demagogic southlander from the president. A bunch of work americans dont want to do, they get paid and take that money back home. They do good work, and the business benefits, and you know what . Everyone benefits. No one is harmed. And the Trump Organization knows it. One of the trumps former workers told the Washington Post, quote, if youre a good worker, papers dont matter. And he is right. In fact, it wouldnt be bad Bumper Sticker for the governments policy. Its a long way from theyre sending rapists and drug dealers. The dangerous atmosphere he has clearly created, but also, you dont need to look farther than the Trump Organization itself for a parable about the actual affirmative positive effects of immigration in the United States of america. Joining me now one of the authors of the Washington Post story on trumps unauthorized worker, josh partlow National Affairs reporter. He has been covering the Trump Organizations use of unauthorized workers for months. Josh, what did you find out in reporting this story . So basically what we found out is that President Trumps company for nearly two decades has been relying on a crew of immigrants, mostly from guatemala and ecuador to do stonework at several of his properties, golf courses along the east coast from new york, new jersey, floridas a well as his winery in virginia. So there is a lot of similar look at these courses, stone fountains, waterfalls, rock walls. And this work has been primarily done by this crew that other hispanic employees in the Trump Organization call the flintstones. So theyve been doing a lot of jobs at several courses over many years. And what did those workers and the other workers youve talked to, because youve been reporting on this beat for a while. And there are large pools i think of unauthorized immigrants at various properties in the trump empire. What have they told you about the level of concern by management about their status . Pretty much everybody i have spoken to who has worked there without papers, which is now more than 40 people, they say that their supervisors were aware they were undocumented, and they say there was very little concern among managers at the Trump Organization about this. They say they were they did provide documents. Almost everybody purchased fake documents. Yep. Social security cards, green cards, things like, that and those go in the files. But there apparently has been very little effort to verify if those are real by the Trump Organization. There has been a lot of joking that weve heard from other workers in previous stories with their managers about their undocumented status i think the really important thing is there is also a difference in how they get treated. They get paid less often. They dont get benefits, no health insurance. So there seems to be a twotier system at the Trump Organization. I see. So there is a kind of those who are regularized and have status and are sort of under the full color of the law have one set of standards, and those who are outside, there is more management can get out of those folks in terms of their wages and benefits and things like that. Yeah, exactly. Has the Trump Organization ever crossed over into any legal trouble on this score . Obviously it is against the law to knowingly hire folks that are undocumented. Prosecution on that part or any kind of civil infractions is exceedingly rare, as we know. Have they faced any consequences ever . No, not that we know of. There have been certain incidents where local police for example have alerted trump management officials there is a golf course in new jersey where this happened where one of the workers was they were told was undocumented. But in terms of investigations, there hasnt been too much happening. The new York State Attorney general has interviewed a few dozen of these workers. Golf course workers. There hasnt been a resolution to that, basically. And is there have been calls by congress for other investigations by the fbi or dhs, but so far there doesnt appear to be any action. I. C. E. , for example, hasnt raided the Trump Organization ever. So there hasnt been much progress in terms of the investigation. I. C. E. Has never showed up, particularly in the president s term, with, say, a bunch of agents, dozens of them and sweep through one of the trump Property Properties and grab people and put their hands behind their back in plastic wrist ties and marched them off. That has not happened . That has definitely not happened. This is a sort of human aspect of this. But are the folks youre reporting on okay . Are they going to be okay . Yeah, i mean, everybody weve talked to, there was after the initial stories about this, about undocumented workers at the president s golf courses came out in december, the Trump Organization, you know, claimed this was the first time they were hearing about it. They did an audit, they say, and they fire d several workers. We know at least 20 that have been fired at least five golf courses. We believe the number is higher than that. We have not heard of any deportations of anyone who has worked at the president s company. You know, these workers, a lot of them have found other work after leaving the Trump Organization. They are okay. You know, and i guess more broadly to answer your question, weve also interviewed a lot of people who have returned on their own to their home countries. We wrote a story a few months ago out of costa rica where dozens of people over the years since 2002 had helped physically build trumps golf course in bedminster, new jersey, bulldozed the land, carved the holes, the whole thing, and then, you know, and worked there up until this year. Theyve returned home with the money they earned in that job, and they you know, they look back on it as a good experience. They made more than they could in their small village in costa rica. Some own land. They have their own houses. They have cattle. For them this was a positive experience. There are people who also tell you they had bad experiences with individual managers who were abusive or very demanding who essentially knew they were undocumented and could exploit them. But a lot of people are very thankful for this job. Yeah, in some ways its sort of the paradigm of a winwin and net benefit. Everyone here has in this contractual relationship that was entered into seemed to benefit. Josh partlow, thanks for reporting. Thanks very much. Joining me now victoria Francesco Soto at university of texas austin and an msnbc political analyst, and todd schulte, president of forward u. S. , business and tech leaders committed to meaningful criminal justice reform. At the first level, to me, whats striking here is a, the Trump Properties havent been raided. B, the employers in mississippi apparently face no sanction. And c, when trump is acting as a person, he doesnt view these people as a threat at all. Its econ 101, chris, in terms folks come here to the United States to work, migrants come here, because there is a demand, because there is your Trump Organizations. There is your organizations in mississippi that need poultry processing workers. So there is a demand by the employers. Thats why theyre coming. If there wasnt a demand, they wouldnt come, and we actually saw that borne out, chris, if you remember in the height of the great recession, around 20092010 when we saw net migration from mexico actually result in negative. You had more people of mexican descent going back because there was no work. If we really want to get to the issue of undocumented immigration in this country, its about going to the root cause. Its about going the employers. What we have on the books right now is what was put into place in 1986 with erica. That was eons ago. What we need is technological resources to be put in place and the actual fines that are on the books to be put in place and going after the employers, not going after these folks who are just trying to make ends meet, and also feeding us as a country. Because if they werent here doing it, i dont know if americans would, chris. Todd, you know, i was struck by this little news item, the clarion ledger and other people reported, that the very same Food Processing company, koch, had just paid a 3. 75 million discrimination lawsuit that they had settled. The workers and the eeoc alleged they had subjected hispanic and female employees to harassment. One of the problems is that there are immigrants working. Its the very fact that they are undocumented makes them rife for exploitation and abuse. Thats right. I think its really important to have the conversation we should be having here. Obviously, if the president is willing to hire people who are undocumented, he should be willing to put them on a pathway to citizenship. We shouldnt be having a conversation about who does and doesnt. We shouldnt have a conversation about how to train a bus driver to know whether or not they have to wait to see if a parent is home when they drop a kid off. There are 11 Million People here. Theyre undocumented. Is no good enforcement regime. We should put people on a pathway to citizenship and have a humane and working immigration system centered on a pathway to citizenship, centered on improving our Legal Immigration avenues to come here. Thats what we need to actually be doing as a country. Unfortunately, the president is pushing us in a wrong direction in so many ways. Not just that, victoria. It strikes me one of the things youll see the president today is its all about ilLegal Immigration. But way back when they tried to do a daca deal, who came along tom cotton and the president who impose the most restrictive immigration policy since the 1920s. The president knows this issue fires up his base. He started off his campaign on the issue of immigration. He was able to harness it throughout his campaign. Got him into the white house. Has continued using that. So it doesnt do him any good to actually do something to curb immigration, to do something at getting at the root causes, to provide foreign aid to Central American countries so that folks dont have to migrate out. All of the real policy solutions, the tangle solutions dont come into the picture because ultimately, he needs a problem to scapegoat for political purposes. As we mentioned earlier, there is an idea of having a pathway to citizenship. In 2013, we saw the gang of eight put forward a very reasonable bipartisan solution. We could easily go back to that, but its easier to have a scapegoat in saying you know what . Weve got this massive problem, this invasion, these caravans. And for political purposes, that works. And just to jump in there, i think it is so important to go back to that back to that daca deal. What we saw there is when all the cards were on the table and the president could get the big beautiful press coverage he wanted, he turned down 25 billion for the wall because it didnt come with a 50 cut to Legal Immigration. Legal. This isnt about rhetoric. This is a policy architecture about slashing all Legal Immigration avenues. Is it you work on this day and day out, todd. I follow your feed and your work on this. Is your understanding the position of Stephen Miller particularly, who i think everyone recognizes is the mastermind sort of behind the president s oils. Take him at his word, he wants to greatly reduce the amount of immigration into the country, legal and illegal, partly because of the demographics, the ethnicity, the language and the race that are the bilk of immigrants. Yeah. I think the taking at your word thing is important. And to pull back for a second, if you look at what these groups who are antiimmigrant groups like numbers usa, the center for immigration studies, theyre very clear. Its about overall numbers of immigration. And five or six times as many people come through legal channels a year. Thats why when you see whats happening the border, its about ending asylum. Theyve cut the Refugee Program by 90, 95 . Chris you do a great job on the show. People should name this for what it is. It is an attack on immigrants and ilz. It is not this idea about tough at the border. Yeah. Victoria deFrancesco Soto and todd schulte, thank you both that was great. Next, as we continue from chicago, the fbi has Just Announced the arrest of a man promoting white supremacist ideology planning multiple attacks in las vegas. More on that breaking news in two minutes. N two minutes. I switched to miralx for my constipation. Stimulant laxatives forcefully stimulate the nerves in your colon. 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We know this. A 23yearold person named conner klimo from las vegas is somebody the fbi was communicating, and they dont say clearly how this came up, but they say the joint Terrorism Task force became aware of discussions he was having with popular White Supremacists groups, a group called the ad adamwaffen division. They introduced a confidential human source to him, began discussions, and then an fbi person undercover began discussions with him online. And i think some of the things that are pretty disturbing here, chris, is that he had actually scouted locations for the adl, for a jewish synagogue, expressed on several occasions his desire to kill jewish people. And then on top of that, he also made statements apparently after his miranda warning, according to the federal criminal complaint filed in las vegas earlier today, that he made derogatory statements about african americans, about jewish people, and about homosexual people as well. In addition to that, the fbi says they found at his house in the course of the search warrant sketches that he drew of a gay bar in las vegas where the attack would occur from the outside as well as from the inside. They found an ar 15 at his house, a bolt action rifle. In addition to that, they found several bombmaking components, c