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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes September 27, 2018

Plus, what we know about the hearing thats just hours away with senator mazie horono. And how republicans plan to save Brett Kavanaugh. They know its a big fat con job. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Tonight, after a third woman just came forward with explosive new Sexual Misconduct allegations against Brett Kavanaugh, somehow republicans are still, as of this hour, planning to hold a hearing tomorrow. And then vote to give kavanaugh a lifetime appointment to the u. S. Supreme court. The claims by Julie Swetnick outlined in a sworn affidavit by her lawyer Michael Avenatti harrowing. The details are graphic and some may find them disturbing. Kavanaugh, we should say, denies swetnicks account and denies knowing her. Now 14 hours before the testimony of kavanaugh and Christine Blasey ford, the first woman to publicly accuse him of Sexual Misconduct, democrats on the committee are calling for kavanaughs nomination to be withdrawn. In a rumbling press conference this evening the president , while professing to being receptive to blasey fords testimony tomorrow, voiced his strong support for the nominee. Im going to see what happens tomorrow. Im going to be watching. You know, believe it or not. Im going to see whats said. Its possible that they will be convincing. With all of that being said, judge Brett Kavanaugh has been, for many years, one of the most respected people in washington. Every Single Person knows him a lot of people know him well, and those people dont believe whats going on. The president also referring multiple times to the accusations as a con job. Michael avenattis client Julie Swetnick claims to have attended multiple parties in the 1980s with kavanaugh and his friend mark judge who is said to have witnessed kavanaughs alleged assault of Christine Blasey ford. She alleges in her sworn statement, that she observed kavanaugh engage in abusive pressing girls to him without consent, grinding against girls and attempting to move or shift girls clothing to expose private body parts. Brett kavanaugh and others would spike the punch at house parties she attended so as to cause girls to lose inhibitions and their ability to say no. According to swetnick she witnessed efforts by kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could be gang raped in a side room or bedroom by a train of numerous boys. She has a firm recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their turn with a girl inside the room. The boys included mark judge and Brett Kavanaugh. Finally, swetnick says that in approximately 1982 she became the victim of one of these gang train rapes where judge and kavanaugh were present. We should be clear, she does not allege that kavanaugh participated in her Sexual Assault. And none of her claims have been independently verified by nbc news. Kavanaugh and judge again both deny the allegations. Kavanaugh saying in a statement this is ridiculous and from the Twilight Zone i dont know who this is and this never happened. Here to talk about tomorrows Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing is one of the is that rights on that committee, democratic senator mazie horono of hawaii. Senator, first of all, is this hearing going to really happen tomorrow . Apparently so. So the republicans drive to push this through no matter what. We have three credible reports of Sexual Misconduct by judge kavanaugh and they dont want to hear any of it. In fact, they went so far as to hire a prosecutor for one day, a female prosecutor, so that the senate, the republican senators on the committee can hide behind her skirt, literally, and they dont have to reveal themselves to the american public. That is how far theyre going. It is totally appalling. I have already called on the president , along with the rest of the democrats on the Judiciary Committee to have the president withdraw this nomination. There are there is testimony or transcripts released recently of judge kavanaughs interview with counsel from the Judiciary Committee asking him about a number of allegations. There are two more anonymous allegations included there. Theres reporting tonight about a fourth allegation, contained in an anonymous letter, an anonymous letter, we should be clear, nbc news reporting that, he is asked in the anonymous letter in 1988 he pushed a woman up against a wall, was sexually aggressive with her as he pushed her against the wall. He is asked about that in the Judiciary Committee transcript and he denies it. What do you make of that . He denies everything, and this is why yet another reason that at the minimum an fbi investigation should occur. So everyone should wonder why is it that the only people who are willing to have the fbi investigate are the three credible reports, but not him and not the republicans on the committee. We should ask why is that happening . And by the way, i want to emphasize that this is a Job Interview for judge kavanaugh. This is not some right that he has to get on the Supreme Court. So in a Job Interview, ones character credibility and candor are on the line. And before all of this came to pass, i already had serious questions about his credibility and was not going to vote for him. But it is just totally appalling. I know that the people in america are watching how were going to deal with these credible reports. And were not dealing with it very well. And i think the republicans are fooling themselves if they can hire a person for one day to hide behind because theyre too afraid to question dr. Ford themselves. I think its just appalling. Do you believe that there are three women who have made on the record accusations against kavanaugh, one in high school, or two in high school, one in college. Do you believe ms. Swetnick and ms. Ramirez, the other two, aside from dr. Blasey ford, should be giving some kind of testimony or sworn interview with some investigators in your committee or the fbi . Of course they should speak to the fbi and all three of them said that they want an fbi investigation. They want to be questioned by the fbi. The only people who dont want this are judge kavanaugh and the republicans on the committee. So its very telling to me that theyre going to push forward with this nomination, come hell or high water, because they need him to be on that court so that there will be no four to four ties. There are a lot of very conservative groups with lots of money that want judge kavanaugh to be their fifth vote on the court. So there is this huge rush to get him on the court before october. But it is totally untoward. And how many more people have to come forward before the republicans dont say enough . Apparently three and plus one anonymous very specific kinds of reporting, thats not enough for the republicans. I hope that the American People who are watching, all of us have heard from so many people who have said i never told my story. But this kind of event, this kind of trauma happened to me too. The women particularly all across the country are watching and the enlightened men, as i put it, are also watching. Senator mazie hirono in hawaii, we will see you in that hearing room, where you will be asking your own questions. Here with me, hieidi przybyla. Heidi, start on the nbc news about this anonymous allegation, important for folks to understand, this is dr. Christine blasey ford wrote a letter with her name attached to it and said she did not want to come forward. This is not in that category, its entire lie anonymous letter written to cory gardner . Its an anonymous letter they received in the past week but that they found concerning enough that at least one Congressional Office referred to both the Senate Judiciary committee for further investigation and the fbi and we confirmed that the Senate Judiciary committee is actively investigating it. The letter is now being released by senator grassleys office just within the past few moments. And the story is as follows, that this is the mother of a daughter who was allegedly one of four witnesses to this event that took place in 1998 outside a d. C. Bar in which one of the women was allegedly aggressively pushed in a sexual way up against a wall. Brett kavanaugh vehemently denies this as he does all other charges. But i think this is an important part of the reporting tonight, chris, is that the reason why that this is piqued such interest on the hill is because it takes place when Brett Kavanaugh is fully grown in 1998, as an adult. And i interviewed senator hirono earlier today when she said, she suggested that this would be one of her lines of questioning, whether he had perjuried himself when she asked him whether he ever engaged in any Sexual Misconduct as an adult, thats why its thats something senator hirono asks all nominees that come before her in the senate. Cheryl stoleberg, the third allegation today, really explosive for a number of reasons. It was attached to michael aven avenatti and the contents therein. How has that reverberated through the system today . Well, its been a bombshell. As you might imagine. Republicans really seem kind of frantic and nervous about this. You can tell that by their very vehement statements that this woman is not to be believed. Senator Lindsey Graham said earlier how could she go to ten house parties and watch young women get raped and not say anything . He just said he flat out doesnt believe that its true. Senator orrin hatch i think exclaimed im in a really bad mood. And, you know, republicans are just pushing to get this hearing through. They just want to get this over with and get this vote, which they have scheduled in the committee for friday. Democrats, on the other hand, not surprisingly, are saying, hey, lets slow it down a little bit. Lets let these women be heard. Lets have an fbi investigation. Many of them are harking back to merritt garland and saying, look, when president obama nominated merritt garland, Mitch Mcconnell had no trouble waiting a whole year to fill a Supreme Court seat. Why are they in such a hurry . And, you know t longer this goes on, i think, frankly, the worse it gets for Brett Kavanaugh. I want to talk about some corroborating details, or suggestively corroborating details about this allegation. From Julie Swetnick today, heidi. And it centers on mark judge who is the sort of missing figure, and has always been hard to square, that you would not want to talk to mark judge. The new yorker talked to an exgirlfriend of mark judge who recalled that judge had told her of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a woman. In an interview the woman recalled jungle juice, and try to take advantage offer. It was disgusting, they treated women like meat. This does bring up the question of mark judge and why he will not be before that committee tomorrow, heidi. So, i spoke directly with senator cassidy of louisiana today, chris, who is a republican whos been very strongly supportive of Brett Kavanaugh. Republicans are furious, chris, theyre furious, though, over the timing. And i just asked him what i think is essentially the problem here, which is that theyre not able to separate out their fury over the timing of this from the fact that theres more and more information coming out that suggests that these may be true stories. And so i asked him, i said, cant it be true that maybe democrats are seeking maximum political advantage here . Fine, let me give you that. But cant it also be true that these women are telling the truth . And he grew very angry and he said, well, a lot of Brett Kavanaughs classmates say its not true. And i said who . He referred to this pj guy. And i said pj wasnt in the room. There was one person who was in the room, and thats mark judge. Thats one person who dr. Ford puts in the room. And again, he grew frustrated and said, well they deny that there was ever even a party. So thats kind of where we are right now is that mark judge is the missing link to all of this. And he is reportedly holed up somewhere in a beach town in the maryland or delaware shore. And he is the one person who its becoming increasingly needs to be questioned in all of this. Finally, cheryl, is this going to happen tomorrow, this hearing . You said theyre plunging ahead. Are they plunging ahead . I think by all accounts as the senator said earlier it is going to happen. And it will be a spectacle. I think you can imagine that democrats will be asking judge kavanaugh about these other women, they will be bringing up reports of his high school drinking. They will be trying to basically paint a picture of him sort of darken his image. And republicans will just try to steam roll ahead. Heidi przybyla, and sher sheryl stolberg, thank you both. The substance of the allegations, the questions of the conduct, the truth thereof is the primary issue before us, but there is also a political question before us, which is what is going on . As someone who worked across from Mitch Mcconnell, who worked for harry reed, how is he gaming this out . How is he approaching this . Hes taking phone calls from the members of his caucus tonight trying to gauge their temperature. He sees whats right around the corner if hes playing his cards smart, hes he understands that theres disaster right around the corner. After all, even if he survives the hearing, theyre still going to have the floor vote next week. As sheryl and others have suggested, more and more of these allegations are coming out. Chris, ive got to be perfectly honest. I dont want to give mcconnell credit. Hes not in the habit, that would be too much, hes not in the habit of calling votes that are guaranteed to lose. So i, for one, cant understand how theyre going to go ahead with this hearing tomorrow. Its just going to be an absolute disaster. These republican senators dont have the guts to answer or question the witness on their own. Theyve got to outsource it out. And b, they have a tin ear when it comes to this stuff in this me too era. It also just seems there is i mean, theres a kind of hardening, i viewed, in some conservatives, even sort of selfproclaimed never trump conservatives that the attacks have made them bond closer to Brett Kavanaugh or his cause. But it seems the politics of this are i cant imagine that Mitch Mcconnell or the Senate Caucus reads this as going well. If they are, they need to get a new job because theyre spectacularly incompetent at what theyre doing. You know, look, maybe im going to be wrong but ive got to believe theres at least a handful of Senate Republicans that are desperate to avoid having this hearing. They recognize whats around the corner. Like i said earlier, if they can if they survive the vote on friday, theres a floor debate next week. The optics just look really, really bad. What do you think about the cheery which ive heard because it would so enrage the base of the Republican Party it would be seen as such a betrayal to withtrau the nomination theyre duty bound to plow ahead and let it fail because that creates a m martyr that can be rallying than the spectacle of withdrawing. They can wave the body before the november election, look what they did to poor judge kavanaugh. Like i said, based on years of experience, mcconnell is not in the habit of calling failed votes. Thats number one. Number two, whats important about that dynamic, and i get it, is that how do Senate Republicans benefit from that taking this tough vote . I just dont see it. Maybe its going to benefit donald trump. But for a whole bunch of Senate Republicans, you know, the idea that youre going to rile up women voters like that, i think thats a recipe for disaster. All right, jim manley, thank you for taking the time. 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