All in has obtained exclusive new details on some of the 2,000 children taken from their parents at the boarder. This is where at least 65 kids, 65 Migrant Children from Central America are living. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. The former Campaign Chairman to the president of the United States is behind bars. Hes behind bars for allegedly colluding with a suspected russian agent to sub on perjury and obstruct justice while he was under house arrest. Today a judge in washington, d. C. Revoked manaforts bail after the special counsel accused him of tampering with witnesses while he was out under house arrest filing new obstruction of charges against manafort against Konstantin Kilimnik, who is believed to have ties to russian intelligence. The judge sent manafort to jail to await his two upcoming trials on multiple counts of conspiracy and fraud among other charges. Though he did get to ditch his two ankle monitors. Quite the record for a campaign whose unofficial slogan chanted was lock her up. Lets review. The Top National Security advisor who let the chance the at the convention has been cooperating with investigators and pled guilty. Foreign policy adviser pleaded guilty to a felony, agreed to cooperate. The deputy Campaign Chairman pleaded guilty to a felony. He has been cooperating. Now the chairman who ran the show during a crucial period of the campaign, the guy on top of the entire thing is behind bars after being indicted on numerous charges going out on bail and having his bail revoked. It is simply the most criminal group of people surrounding a sitting president since richard nixon. When all is said and done, it may turn out to be much worse. According to a reporter at the hearing today, he gave a stilled wave to his wife and the marshals led him out of the courtroom. Later a marshall returned to his wife his Brown Leather belt, wallet and burgundy tie. Officers declined to say where he is being held. One official said normal procedure for a defendant whose bail is revoked would be to end up at dc central jail. Conditions there are, as they are in nearly all of americas overfull jails, harsh. Theres a metal shelf for a bed literally and roaches are walking all over that as well as on the celings and the floors. So youre spending the night killing roaches. It is going to be an adjustment for a man what according to who according to prosecutors laundered millions of dollars for designer clothes and a Million Dollars worth of rugs. That may be what mueller is hoping for. And that could be a lot. After all, manafort worked for russian interests for years before joining the campaign. We know he got an email from George Papadopoulos about his contacts with the russian emissaries. We know he attended the infamous the trump tower meeting. We know he was in touch throughout the campaign with his friend kilimnik, the suspected russian operative since indicted. Just a couple hours after manafort was taken into custody, the president s lawyer offered him a reason not to cooperate. Rudy giuliani, former federal prosecutor, a man known for loving law and order here in new york city telling the new york daily news, when the whole thing is over, things might get cleaned up with some president ial pardons. Im joined by two journalists, closely covering the saga of manafort. Ken vogel from the New York Times and Natasha Bertrand from the atlantic. Ken, what a stunning turn of events for Paul Manafort. Thats right. This is a guy who could have sort of faded away and maybe he would have been under some financial pressure. Thats the reason that we understand that he decided to come back and sort of try to refresh his bona fides and republican and u. S. Politics to be able to be go and market those connections around the world. He had done an amazing job of that really pioneered a particular type of foreign lobbying where u. S. Consultants went around the world and worked for some of these unsavory characters both helping them with their own campaigns introducing American Campaign techniques, but also helping them with their connections in wash to try to buff their images. That is the type of work that he is now being prosecuted for his work on behalf of the ukrainian strong man president yanukovych who manafort essentially revived the career of and got him elected. But he was chased from power in 2014. Manafort continued to try to work in ukraine for a followup party to yanukovychs party. That party didnt pay him. He found himself short of money. So he needed to refresh his credentials. And thats sort of the circumstances that found him on the Trump Campaign, not only did it not work out, did he not get to refresh his credentials to be able to go around the world to continue to make these huge sums of money, it has put him very much at risk of spending the rest of his life behind bars. We should node this was a man who was in desperate need of money who worked for free for the campaign and within a day or two of that sent an email to the man who has subsequently been indicted Konstantin Kilimnik to say has russia oligarch seen this and how do we use this to get made whole. The key of his importance to the entire saga. He joined the campaign when he was desperate really. He was in a lot of debt. He was roughly 17 million in debt to prorussian interests. As soon as he got to the campaign, he was trying to figure out a way to levering and his high Level Campaign position in audio to repay the debts. We have the emails and have seen those conversations had he with kilimnik who has also been indicted for allegedly beak a coconspirator with Paul Manafort to obstruct justice. He put it in black and white, how can i get whole. Lets be clear. I have taken a position running the campaign of one of the two major Party President ial nominees in america. How can i use that position for which im not being compensated to make money . Please tell me my ukrainian buddy suspected to be a russian intelligence asset. Right. So paul many of the had an extreme incentive here. Yes. He really had to make it so he was giving valuable information about the Trump Campaign to a russian. Whether or not that panned out, we dont know. That is something mueller is probably looking into quite closely. Of course, Paul Manaforts rise in terms of his role in the campaign also coincided with all of the most significant russia related events during the election. And whether or not thats a coincidence is a little bit hard to believe but of course, Paul Manafort was at that the trump tower meeting. He was the Campaign Chairman when that platform at the Gop Convention was changed to favor russia in terms of the war on ukraine and, of course, he resigned a day after it was discovered that he was still in debt to all of these prorussian ukrainian interests. You know, chris, if i could point out, it wasnt just the relationship with derepaska and the financial, the debt there. He was also owed. He and kilimnik believed they were owed tens of millions of dollars by this opposition dollars by this opposition bloc, the prorussian sort of followup successer party to Viktor Yanukovychs party of rejens. Kilimnik traveled twice to the u. S. During the campaign when he was in trump tower during the heating with manafort and they were discussing how were discussing both the relationship with deripaska and how they could collect on what that he believed were these unpaid fees from this ongoing Political Party in ukraine that was aligned with russia. This is during the campaign. So heres the big question, natasha. We were all looking at Michael Cohen. Theres news he might be ready to flip. Manafort has shown no signs of wanting to do that despite the fact that theres a good chance that he enters is jail tonight and never sees the outside of a jail cell for the rest of his natural life. Prosecutors that ive spoken to have expressed confusion about this because if you are Paul Manafort, you really have an incentive to cooperate with prosecutors here. Then again, maybe you dont because of course, from what we saw from giuliani today kind of signalling to Paul Manafort he might expect a president ial pardon. That might be something and, of course, we dont know for sure. It might be something that the president has dangled in front of manafort. If thats the case, that is a whoa other level of obstruction. If hes promising a president ial pardon to a subject of the investigation, a target of the investigation in exchange for him not talking, thats going to be very, very damaging to the president. Ken vogel and Natasha Bertrand, have a great weekends. For more on manaforts options now that hes behind bars im joined by matt miller who served as spokesman for the Justice Department in the Obama Administration and harry litman former u. S. Attorney, former Deputy Assistant attorney general at maine justice. Harry, ill start with you on the Rudy Giuliani floating of the pardon today. This might all need to be cleaned up. That strikes meese a pardon of manafort strikes me as much of a red line as firing mueller or rose be stein. Rosenstein. Do you agree . What a choice of words, huh . Might have to be cleaned up. Yeah, i totally agree. Theres some dispute about the reach of the pardon power. But this i think is one that would be front and center a kind of obstruction. When you use it to you use this word, chris, its the right one, dangle in that way. Not even to do the pardon but just with a kind of public wink and nod stay quiet it will be good at the end of the day. Corrupt intent there just you know wafts from the words. So yeah, i mean some have even suggested giuliani is putting himself in hot water. I dont know about that but yes, i think it absolutely it stinks as a matter of you know just politics but it stinks as a matter of law, as well. He would be playing with fire for sure. Matt, heres what the president tweeted today. What a tough innocence for fall. For paul many of the. I should stop there and say its not a sentence. Its detention who has represented reagan, bob dole and many other top people in campaigns. Didnt know he was head of the mob. What about comey and crooked hillary and all others . Very unfair. What the president and giuliani did today was very dangerous. You talk about it being a red line if they pardoned manafort. That have you been a red line. Even what they did today has tainted this process. Look where Paul Manafort is. In the place where he faces the biggest choice for the rest of his life which is to cooperate, to lessen his sentence so he doesnt spend the rest of his life in jail, flip on the president if he has anything to give or not do it. The president by saying this was unfair and Rudy Giuliani coming out and saying what he said, dangling a pardon, has put doubt into manaforts mind maybe he doesnt have to cooperate. Probably removed the threat of jailtime. It is an insidious thing theyve done. At some point, i think harry makes a good point about it. Its tough to ask whether giuliani crossed a legal line here. But i can tell you what, if you saw a mob boss where the number two in the mob family was facing the trial and the mob bosss lawyer came out and offered him a financial incentive or dangled a financial incentive not to cooperate, the Justice Department would consider whether that attorney ought to be investigated for obstruction of justice. What giuliani has done is worse. He is taking the entire leverage the department has away. Hes very close to crossing a serious line. I also have to imagine Robert Mueller and his team are just watching this, harry, just horrified and flabbergasted. Honestly these seem like people who are very by the book folks, take the law very seriously. Watching the president s lawyers and the president s behavior in response to all this i imagine they very to understand what theyre dealing with in terms of the lengths these people will go to. We forget about this. Every week has brought unprecedented you know cavalier, crass, misbehavior of the sort you never see from the defendants and no ones ever seen from public officials. It really is mind blowing. Let me stop you there. Thats important. Every prosecutor that ive talked to said the same thing. Ive never seen this be kind of behavior from a defendant. Right. They said criminals in my whole time in life prosecuting people accused of crimes, many of whom are guilty, i have never seen them act this way. Yeah. And totally in their face. There is been one guy the last couple of months that played it by the book. He seems to now possibly be emerging. Thats Jared Kushner with his lawyer abbe lowell. Its not simply that the tweet war is from trump. Its everything in this and all the lawyering which has been both substandard and unbelievably aggressive and confrontational. Its been by the book of how and including with manafort this week how not to be a defendant in a major probe and it just redoubles, redoubles, and redoubles again. In the meantime, mueller so patiently collects you know, mountains of information that hell be ready to unveil but not knowing exactly what sort of reception it will get given the the whole political context that this plays out in. Final point, this a Matt Iglesias tweet. He says trump says trump has thousands of children separated from their moms and dads because hes ordered pretrial detention for every Asylum Seeker who arrives at the border. Gives you a sense of how this president thinks the law should protect and who it shouldnt. He wrote extensively about this in a way thats compelling. One of the things interesting about the situation manafort faces, the peculiarity of the system where the d. C. Attorney prosecutes federal and state crimes. Theres no state prosecutor. The jail manafort is going into houses state prisoners prosecuted by the u. S. Attorneys office. It is a very tough place. Hell have a lot to think about. The point you make, this morning may have been the last time he ever sees,ever draws a free breath in his life. Great to have you bowing. Thanks, chris. The government announces a treasure trove of material that Donald Trumps lawyer did not want them to see. Michael cohens very, very bad day is coming up next. The possible patient zero for russian collusion with the Trump Campaign is now behind the bars. The case for collusion in two minutes. Hes got legs of lumr and arms of steel he eats a bowl of hammers at every meal he holds your house in the palm of his hand hes your home and auto man big jim, hes got you covered great big jim, there aint no other so, this is covered, right . Yes, maam. Take care of it for you right now. Giddyup hi this is jamie. We need some help. Maybe the most significant thing about Paul Manafort going to jail today if theres anyone who is most likely to have colluded with russians during the campaign who kept colluding with an alleged intelligence asset after being indicted and out on bail, its Paul Manafort. According to law professor ryan good man, any fair reading of the Public Record would come to the conclusion there is significant evidence of collusion or evidence of a conspiracy with russians and violations of federal Campaign Finance law. Joining me now is ryan goodman, founding coeditor in chief of the National Security blog. Which it is a must read, i read it every day. Just security. Okay, make your case. So i think its a pretty strong case based on the Public Record. We have Paul Manafort for example communicating with this kievbased operative who the fbi assesses to have current ties or active ties with Russian Military intelligence during 2016. Manafort tells politico their discussions is include the dnc hack. Thats one piece. Told politico that. He told them that but adds i didnt know that the russians had hacked. But thats impossible because the very first report on the hack from the Washington Post at the outset attributed it to russia. Hes got a problem with that. Hes on the record. Somehow even in my capacious and unending synthesis of this story missed that detail he admitted to politico he discussed the dnc hack with the man who will be subsequent indicted assessed to be an asset of russian intelligence. Thats one. Two, many people missed this because it was buried in a cnn report back in august. Cnn reported that there are u. S. Intercepts of russian operatives discussing manafort and their discussions say he encouraged them to help in the campaign and that they made an effort towards manafort to coordinate information on clinton so thats number two. Just in terms of evidence. Not proof of. Evidence. I would say significant evidence. Its even kind of amusing to me in a sense or depressing that theres even a public discussion if there is evidence or not evidence. There is clearly evidence. The question is whether theres proof