>> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. fresh off its worst election night in at least five years the republican party today finds itself trapped in a roy moore dilemma. the gop candidate for u.s. senate in an alabama special election next month, moore stands accused of molesting a 14-year-old girl when he was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney. three other women say that moore pursued them when they were teenagers. moore denies the "on the record" allegations, which were first reported yesterday by the washington post. while republicans on capitol hill seem to be hoping they'd just go away. >> that was at a meeting on the republican tax plan for which roy moore could provide the crucial vote. like many other senate republicans, mitch mcconnell called for moore to leave the race if the allegations are true. no word on what they are willing to accept is true or the "post" reporting about four women on the record, including the mother of the 14-year-old girl, plus over 30 other sources, whether that meets the threshold, that caveat, if true, would seem to leave a whole lot of room for moore's claims the amess are false. in a radio interview with sean hannity, he denied knowing the 14-year-old. he did not rule out the possibility of having had relationships with other teenagers while in his 30s. >> not generally no, if i did, i'm not going to dispute it. not everyone is going to take moore at his words, mitt romney tweeted -- senator john mccain called on roy moore to withdraw and barbara comstock said moore should not serve in the u.s. senate. but moore has made it clear he has no intention of dropping out of this race. his name will almost certainly be on that ballot, which means the only person standing between roy moore and the u.s. capitol is doug jones, a former prosecutor who put away members of the kkk. we'll see if jones picks up any endorsement. meanwhile, moore supporters have been circleing the wagon portraying the judge as a victim of a motivated smear spain. his brother jerry telling nbc news, it's kind of like when jesus christ was hung on the cross, i'm saying the allegations the way they're treating him is like the way they treated christ. he went on to say there quote ought to be something filed against moore's accusers, echo an alabama state rep, -- >> already, rush limbaugh is calling up with of the women a wacky woman and a well known alt right figure posted her photo and work place on twitter before taking them down t. white house for its part, added a bit of extra wiggle room. >> you the hear that part? a mere allegation, this story with 30 sources and four on the record, it was that same press secretary a few weeks ago stated from the white house podium all the women who accused the president himself of sexual misconduct, there are over a dozen of them, all are liars, sarah huckaby sanders said that from the podium. it was a year ago he was elected, many of them on the record and after voters heard him famously bragging about committing such acts. last night an event in new hampshire, steve bannon recounted how they made it through the ""access hollywood"" tape the man he is endorsing roy moore from the bezos amazon washington post that dropped that dime on donald trump is the same bezos amazon washington post that dropped the dime this afternoon on judge roy moore. now is that a coincidence? but on billy bush, saturday, we got kind of the icommand and award count sim, nobody went around the room, they were telling some guys on "60 minutes" and crying on ivanka's shoulder and apologize, apologize, i say we double down now. right. you are donald trump and they're not. right? i said, let's go have a rally. >> steve schmidt is a republican strategist and political analyst, that appears to be the strategy of bannon and his wing and the alabama republican party as someone who has worked your whole adult life in republican politics, what is your reaction to that? >> i don't have the words to express my shame. it's disgraceful. what we're talking about here, chris, is a 14-year-old little girl. roy moore is a pedophile. he's a child molester. that's what's alleged here. this story is immaculately sourced. there are 30 corroborateing sources that are contemporaneous to the accounts of the woman from the time and the years after. it's obviously true. the notion that this is some sort of conspiracy, that has been built, designed by satan in the words of roy moore over many years is pure nonsense talk. this whole notion of if the allegations are proven true, there will be no trial here. there will be no judge to render a verdict. there is not a court of law. these are credible allegations. the republican national committee should severe all fundraising relationships with this campaign. every republican member of the united states senate should signal that should he be elected that he'll refuse to, that they'll refuse to caucus with roy moore. every one of them should call on him to drop out of this race. they should repudiate it. the moral wrought in the republican party, the wrought, the stench, the cancer of bannon-ism is a playing on this country. it is a sad, sad day. ronald reagan, abraham lincoln, dwight eisenhower, teddy roosevelt, they're rolling over in their graves tonight. shame on mitch mcconnell, shame on paul ryan for not speaking out, not doing the right thing here, shame on them. >> you know, there's these two camps the bannonite camp and the alabama republicans rallying around moore and the people around him and on trump tv saying it's fabricated. we make things umm. then the people like mitt romney and barbara comstock and john mccain to their credit saying this in and of itself is disqualifying. today there is this other category, which is the biggest category, the i'm not sure. today you had mike league first asking for his name to be pulled off the fundraising document, the picture of him with roy moore, first he wanted his picture removed, later after the interview he rescinded his endorsement as did steve danes of montana, is that enough? >> no, it's not enough. there needs to be a repudiation, not just a decision of an endorsement. he should be called on to get out of the race. what he is accused of doing is molesting a little girl. we're talking about a 14-year-old little girl. this is disgraceful. it couldn't be more disgusting. this is predatory criminal behavior. it's child molestation. the conspiracy theories that have run rampant on extremist radio, on extremist political tv today certainly it shouldn't be defined as conservative. it has no connection to the conservatism that i grew up with. it has no connection to any rectitude, it is a sad and appalling missouri. if i could say the courage of this woman to come forward, knowing what was going to come at her. we should all reflect on. that i do think that what you will see in alabama, there's a lot of pessimism about dug jones' chances here. there's a way to go in this race. i think that certainly the democratic party should be all in on this race, all in for doug jones on this race. you'd like to see mitt romney, john mccain, some of the others so principled on this, they ought to endorse doug jones in this race. >> that strikes me. it's almost no way to get him off the ballot even logistically. it will be roy moore and duck jones and maybe a write-in candidate, few think roy moore is unfit, i agree with you, it's great to have you tonight. thank you. >> it's been my pleasure. >> barbara boxer is a former u.s. senator from the state of california and senator, you know, you served that picture of those men there, construct grassley and mitch mcconnell and a few others. you served with these men for decades in the united states senate in some cases. are you surprised by the way they are reacting to this in not being more full throated? >> truly, i am. and i am so thankful to people like steve! midt that give me hope for this country and john mccain and mitt romney and the others who read the story. and you know, i held back until i read every word of that story and if i, if i could just ask the people of alabama, just read the story and follow your heart and your mind. and don't be blinded by anything else but that story. because we know it's real. you just have to read it. you can feel it as a human being, as a mom or a dad or as a victim. but let me say i am surprised, particularly mitch who i worked very well with towards the end of my tenure. i'm surprised because he went through the packwood case and this was another situation where bob packwood was re-elected to the united states senate. he had run on a very strong feminist agenda from oregon and right after he won, the washington post wrote up with of these incredible in-depth investigative stories leak this one and named sources of about 15, 16 women who said he had abused them. no children. by the way, that's a whole other thing, we can talk about and mitch, for self years there i had to fight so hard with bob deal and mitch mcconnell and finally bob packwood's diaries came out. the truth will always come out and in this case, there were 30 people, as you mentioned who really made this story real. so i'm shocked at the end of the day packwood left in disgrace. ron weiden took his place and has been there ever since. mitch, this isn't the going away and let me tell you what i think they ought to do. send the ethics committee team out there. i served on the ethics committee for many years. i chaired it for a while. then i was the highest democrat on there, send a team out to meet with these accusers. you don't have to talk to roy moore. talk to the accusers. talk to the community and get involved. don't just say, if it's true, find out for yourself if it's true. >> do you think there's any recourse? mcconnell in the packwood case came out against packwood, he did? it took him a while, right? >> let me tell you, it took so long and truly i was taken to task so many times on the floor, because i wanted to open up the discussion of packwood, they tried to keep it qui e. it was a very ugly thing. i wrote a book on it, had a different take than mitch t. point is, for two.5 years after that, he was there and it did not do the republican party or the united states senate any good to have a predator among our group. now, look, in the whole country, since we started, it has been less than 2,000 senators. please, there's got to be somebody better than this man, who not only in my mind after reading the story do i think he's a pedophile. but he's also just the biggest hypocrit on the face of the earth. the biggest hypocrit who ran around saying how moral he was how immoral everybody else is. i say to the people of alabama, they have this opportunity regardless of what we say, it doesn't matter, it's what you want to do. what is the image you want to send? and there are so many other people, few don't like the democrat, write in somebody, if you don't like that person, you know, write in your own name. you don't have to vote for this man. just because he has an r behind his name. >> you don't have to vote for this man. >> r for repulsive, that's what i would say. >> former senator barbara boxer, i appreciate you being their tonight. >> thanks. >> tonight from harvey ween stein for louis c.k., on and on, we'll talk about this unprecedented social moment, reports that special counsel robert mueller is looking into a deal involving michael flynn $50 million and a turkish prison island. the details in two minutes. nbc news reporting special council robert mueller's office is currently investigating whether michael flynn who spent 24 days as national security adviser under president trump talked about cutting a deal shortly before the inauguration to forcibly remove a illegal resident and deliver him into turkey's custody? exchange of a secret payment in upwards of $15 million t. federal target was this man, a cleric living in pennsylvania who turkish had ties to erdogan plams for the last year's coup attempt. the discussions allegedly involved the possibly of transporting mr. gulen on a private jet to a turkish prison rooild island of imrali. flynn's lawyers call allegations broadly false, did not address them specifically. reportedly under investigation are both flynn and his son, michael flynn jr., in march the elder flynn belatedly registered as a foreign agent after it was revealed the flynn intel group was paid $530,000 to secretly lobby on trump's behalf while he was working on his campaign. flynn op ed ran on election day hailing our allie turkey and seeking the expulsion of gulen. flynn cast as a radical islamist who may operate a dangerous sleeper new yorker. i am joined by political reporter carole lee. well, that's a heck of a story. what do we know about what investigators know? >> well, we know that they're looking into whether there were these two asks from turkey to michael flynn t.gulen one you walked through very well. there was another one that would essentially the request was to drop charges against an allie of president erdogan of turkey, who is jailed in the u.s. for helping iran avoid u.s. sanctions, among other things. so these special counsel is looking into whether these two things, at least those two things were proposed to flynn and flynn send that if he was able to accomplish these tasks once he was in the white house that there would be a payment indirectly or directly of upwards of $15 million. we also know that they're looking at whether this discussion about this occurred at a meeting in december of 20 sten at the 21 club restaurant in new york and whether flynn and senior turkish officials had this discussion there at that particular meeting. we also have learned that they're looking at what, if any, role michael flynn's son may have played in such a deal. >> so i just want to be clear, because what we do know, what was revealed is that he is working during the campaign while his adviser is working as a foreign agent to the tune of a half a million dollars. this focuses after the period, the transition into the actual time he's serving in the u.s. government in one of the most high ranking security posts. correct? >> reporter: correct. and if you -- the contract that the flynn intel group, an exlobbying firm, had with turkey ended the day after the election, so then soon after he was named national security adviser. he obviously took a number of meetings, phone calls and discussions with foreign leaders and other you know dignitaries and things like that. this is what the special counsel is looking into whether this was different, whether these conversations had a different tone and potentially involve something highly illegal. >> an election op ed about gulen as opposed to go vote for donald trump within are you the senior adviser on that campaign looks a lot like someone that thought he was running out of the opportunity to monitize that relationship to a candidate as opposed to a guy that feel super strongly about turkey on election day? >> reporter: you know, this issue the gullen issue is president erdogan is obsessed with. he brings this up with u.s. officials all time and pressed them to extradite this cleric and he clearly, you know, saw if this allegations turn out to be true, you can envision turkey seeing someone like flynn, that they had a relationship with as somebody they may propose something like this to. >> thank you. with me now nbc legal analyst and attorney nick ackerman, a team that prosecuted watergate. i mean talk about whoa if true. >> this is unbelievable. i mean, this borders on quid pro quo bribery. it borders on a huge conflict of interest. i think it's a part of the same pattern that you've seen in this administration where people are in this for themselves and not in it for the good of the american people, they're trying to line their own pockets. so this is all a part of the same pattern that we've seen right across the board. >> it's a good point. manafort, one of the post-incriminating e-mails manafort sent was turning around to his assistant in ukraine after he gets to be appointed on the campaign and says, how do we use to make whole? how do we monetize this position? we know that flynn was monetizing his position essentially during the campaign. the question is, was he trying to do it a it is national security adviser of the united states of america? >> it certainly appears that way. first of all, he was lying to the fbi at the time. he was questioned about his meeting with ambassador kislyak the russian ambassador. he did not tell them about the sanctions, they continued, also, thatted right with the trump power meeting june 9th with don junior and continued through to the president, which is why congress vote adlah that basically handcuffed the president. so this was an issue that runs true in a lot of respects. the real question is, if he took $15 million and was willing to take $15 million to pull what was basically kind of a james bond escapade to take out this cleric from pennsylvania. >> was eight kidnapping, oforcible removal? however you want to characterize it. it's a remarkable thing to consider. >> it's not an extradition. >> there is judicial process. >> you go into court and have papers. >> we should be clear the reason this man resides in the poconos, pennsylvania, it is a weird story a man who is an exiled cleric who runs a spiritual social movement in turkey the government blames happens in the poconos. the reason he is still there is, he is not extraditable by the normal judicial procedures. >> that's right. that's way it works in this country. another theme running through this administration is that they had no regard for the rule of law. and this is just another example of that, if they're doing it for $15 million, that's even worse. >> le already prior to this seemed to have exposure on the foreign agent registration and the reason that i thought of that was, one of the counts of the indictment against manafort is about filling a register, right? >> there is good reasons why you want people to register. it's because you are disclosing to the world and u.s. government, yes, i'm acting on behalf of this government. here, it was all hidden. it was hind when he met with people to talk about getting gullen out of the country. it was hidden when he purposely decided not to let this operation in raqqa go forward and it basically set the u.s. military back several months. >> you are referring to a reporting earlier in the year that he was a key decision-maker about the timing of essentially the final assault on raqqa and delayed it. >> because he did not want the turkish government, didn't want the kurds involved in this, you know, whom expedition there the turkish government really doesn't like our kurdish forces that have been effective fighting isis. they essentially would take raqqa and take the lands that would give them a strangle the hold the turks are incredibly skeptical of. >> even though the turkish government doesn't have the wherewithal all to do it themselves there you got, so many questions about who exactly michael flynn was working for and at what moment. if any part of this story ends up being true, we will learn about it. it is absolutely explosive. >> why was it that donald trump said to james comey, you got to drop this investigation? that's the big question. >> about michael flynn. that's a great point. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. ahead the mueller probe digs deeper as steven miller reportedly faces questions about the firing of james comey. that's next.. >> special counsel robert mueller's investigation is methodically work, its way through the inner most sanctum white house. they have interviewed steven miller citing unnamed sources familiar with the investigation. miller's chief relevance may be in the firing of james comey, miller wrote a memo largely dictated by the president himself, citing president trump's reasons for firing then fbi director james comey, one of the president's lawyers reportedly stopped the release, he found it angry and problematic. mueller has a copy of it reportedly in the hands of rod rosenstein when he drafted his own now infamous letter which formed the basis of comey's termination. so the miller memo and testimony can be crucial in building the case for obstruction of justice. meanwhile, trump foreign adviser george papadopoulos is upset that he lied according to reporting of nbc news, which sends a message anyone making a calculation about whether president trump will have their back. he won't. the right wing shock jocks who infiltrate youtube and social media next. ♪ it's time for the sleep number semi-annual sale on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort your sleep number setting. and snoring? 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>> i think five or six of the first ten videos that showed up were these conspiratorial shock jocks who upload these videos. they do it have quickly. youtube has an algorithm that weighs things according to credibility and page size and before the major networks could get their videos up, there were dozens of these kind of videos out there, they're playing a speed game usually and they're winning. they've learned to outbecame the the algorithm. >> this happens on google news and other platforms as well, right after an event like this, the stuff that's rising to the top is the most conspiratorial. >> it's engaging. you can see why people watch it. it's much more interesting that you stumbled into a guy with a conspiracy story than a news story, so there has been a weaponization of the algorithm and platform to convey these conspiracy stories. >> how big are the audiences? info wars is ultimate or conspiracy channel on youtube is a massive reach. there is a huge ecosystem beneath that. >> elmer williams, i called him. he lives in houston. he has made something like 10,000 video, 20 a day sometimes, he has been doing this eight years. he's gotten 200 million view, 90,000 subscribers, he's a marginal subscriber, he's not the top alex joness, he's big enough that youtube allowed him into the partner program which allows him to show ads on his videos. >> he says if youtube didn't punish me, i could easily be making over $30,000 a month. >> i don't know if that's true, if he's exaggerating. the fact he is being paid or was until youtube shut down his account. i think that's the difference than what we see on facebook and twitter, in those cases, some of the misinformation specialists are having to pay to place ads to get their message out there. in the case of youtube, they're getting paid to do this. >> the similarity is this question of are you a printing press or newspaper? if are you a printing press, someone says, make a thousand of these flyers, you make them, you don't look at the content at all. if are you a newspaper rnlg you say, is this true? all the of the platforms, youtube, facebook, twitter are caught in an uncomfortable place ween the two. >> they are like printing presses in a way, they're platforms where anyone can upload anything. i think that's good. they've also taken on the responsibility of showing curated algorythmicly sorted front pages to people. that's what brings in the editorial judgment that they have, thus far, not been able take on? >> it's a stamp of approval, if you partner with them that shows up in some way, that's some kind of judgment they're making. it's unclear what the content of that judgment is? >> i think they do it in various ways, youtube is available to all pages above a certain size. i think in this case they made a mistake by letting them into his program. because he shouldn't have had an account at all. he had been previously banned from another account. he's sort of a repeat offender. there are lots of guys that aren't technically breaking the rules. >> it's a great piece. thanks for coming by there thanks for having me. >> coming up, louis c.k. say the sexual harassment stories are true. we'll talk about what to make of this social moment ahead, plus one thing then two starts next. building a website in under an hour is easy with gocentral... ...from godaddy! in fact, 68% of people who have built their... ...website using gocentral, did it in under an hour, and you can too. build a better website - in under an hour. with gocentral from godaddy. >> hey, we told you last night about some of the extraordinarily unqualified people that president trump has nominated for his administration and for federal judges, including four judicial nominees dubbed unqualified by the american bar association, which is extremely rare, two were voted unqualified, that hasn't happened since 1976. that was with drawn. >> that second person there, he practiced law for you want to take a guess? 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it feels, you know, i want to -- when i wrote my first book, i wrote on the catholic bhok scandal. this feels like that but for all of society. there were decades of secrets starting to come out. >> i don't finds it. to me it's not liberating. it's this kind of glim slob, where on the one hand, it's like our consolation prize for having this monstrous massageannist president. to me it makes me despair about the prospects for gender equality. >> huh, why? >> if this behavior is so pervasive, you basically have to tear down almost every cultural institution in america. >> academia -- efrom right, in order of only hope parody, the growing realization of how many men i've interacted with that i had no idea had such contempt for women. >> you have written about this. you wrote this piece that women recall the first time men masterbate in front of them without consent. i have to say, part of the process for this as a man is having the scales pulled from your eyes about what women are exposed to? what has it been like to cover this? >> yeah, well, i think that people do understand it's worth pointing out that the stories that make the news are the harvey wine steens and the louis c.k.'s, it's becauser that celebrities it makes news, for most women, it's not news, for me a lot of women, most women i've talked to we have been sexually harassed in every job we have been in, the media, the fourth estate, it's the police of institutionalized sexual misconduct, yet it's all over the media, we have all been harassed by men we work with. then, you know, of course, the stories of random men masterbating throughout our lives. the first time it happened to me i was five-years-old, the reason my story about the first time, it's happened multiple times to many of us. what we are reading about in the news is the very tip of the iceberg. >> i understand the feeling of like a grim slog, there is a lot of trauma around this. -on-i'm on the outside looking in, even i can feel it. right? but there is something habit the standard of believing. like belief, that does seem to have changed in a palpably encouraging way. >> that's why all these people are suddenly coming fore, right? a lot of these stories were known. there was one story, there is somebody who, a media figure who recently resigned. i tried to report that story a year-and-a-half ago. people were not willing to talk. now they r. they know they will be believed. they know that this is no longer considered acceptable. that's the other thing. there is sort after a question of some of this behavior, not harvey weinstein's scale, the lesser, that was considered what is considered acceptable has changed exextremely quickly. so now people have grounds to make complaints, that just didn't exist previously. i'm also heartened by seeing so many men doing self reflecting, thinking howe hard how they contribute to a rape cull cheer. men say, if i want to hit on a co-worker, what is okay? is any office romance okay? if i want to date someone, what is not so creepy? on the one hand, i'm upset i have to have those conversations, on the other hand, let's talk about it. >> there are odd things that men do that is useful and needed and overdo. >> it is, also, i worry that as we conplate like creepy direct messages with harassment and rape and conplate these borderline cases with systematic harassment, i very much worry about the coming backlash. the reason that this is happening in left of center cultural institution, not right of center cull churt institutions is everybody left of cultural institutions agrees there is a problem, even if they're behaving hypocriticalically. >> you can see that in the statement of weinstein who is the peak of this whole thing. >> right, so people are willing to act on, you owe, you have a couple of people, a couple credible charges come forward and people are very quickly you know losing their jobs, being stripped of tieshlths all those sorts of thing. and i hope that that continues to be the role. i worry that people are looking for an excuse not to have to do that. >> well, and roy more seems to be a test case right now. you have people saying fought only is it not true? even if it is? >> right. the most stunning comment i read was, well, gee jesus and mary, joseph was way older than mary. she was a teenager when she had jesus, in the bible it says it's okay. >> you seen rush limbaugh saying oh you will not be able look at women's breast surface. >> i think it goes to a different set of standards, on the one hand you have this clearly liberal culture is full of. >> hypocrites, right? >> full of pig, at least there are these standards that allow them to be held accountable. >> that is owl for this evening "on assignment" with richard

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