Write it down. 2022253121. And thats hardball for now. Thanks for being with us. All in with chris hayes starts right now. Tonight on all in. The fact that he had the type of weaponry and the amount of weaponry in that room, it was preplanned. War zone in las vegas. A battlefield, thats exactly what it was. New details on the shooters massive arsenal. And the same old excuses to stay out of the gun debate. I think its premature. Well be talking about gun laws as time goes by. Plus inside a gun shop the day after the shooting. To the people that think, why does anyone need these things . Why do you need five of them . What do you say . Why do you need two cars . Back to puerto rico. On a local level, they have to give us more help. The unbelievable scene during todays president ial visit to an
american island in crisis. I hate to tell you, puerto rico, but youve thrown our budget a little out of whack. When all in starts right now. Good evening from las vegas. Im chris hayes. Tonight the nation must once again answer a question. Is now a good time to talk about gun violence in this country . Or are massacres like the one that unfolded behind me two nights ago, a terrifying, almost endless hailstorm of bullets that left almost 600 people dead or wounded, is that just something were all willing to live with . What one survivor called the Tragic Cost Of Freedom. Its a Tragic Cost Of Freedom that people can do bad things. If you can find a gun law that could prevent this from happening, i could sign up today. But i am proud of our countrys Second Amendment rights and im glad were allowed to defend ourselves. We now know the gunman behind this attack, the deadliest Mass Shooting in modern u. S. History, had built up a vast stockpile of
firearms, all of them apparently, as far as we know now, purchased legally. We got our first glimpse of those weapons today. In this new video taken outside stephen Paddocks Hotel almost. Through the door you can see what appears to be one of the gunmans highpowered rifles mounted on a Shooting Bipod to design more stability for the longrange firing he was planning. According to an internal luchlt document seen by nbc news, 23 total firearms were found in that hotel suite at the mandalay bay hotel. Another 19 found at the gunmans home north of las vegas. This man managed to get his hands on 42 guns, at least should have them semiautomatic, plus explosives and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Law enforcement Officials Say the gunman had two bump stocks, a completely legal device used to modify a semi ewe mac rifle to fire rapidly, as if it were fully automatic. It is clear from the videos, and particularly the audio from the night of the attack, those bump the time for euphemisms and evasion is over. The time for action is now. My heart thats not an answer to the question, though. I think that the time for action is now and would not involve politicizing this horrific tragedy. You know, the night after the sandy hook tragedy, i went to one of the many calling hours that i did for the parents. And i approached one of the moms to express my condolences and to say, when youre ready, we should consider what the next steps are to prevent this kind of tragedy. And she said, and ill never forget the tears in her eyes. Im ready now. Honoring those victims is not politicizing this tragedy. It is to take action to prevent these tragedy in the future. Senator richard blumenthal, i appreciate your time tonight. Thank you. David chipman, former
special agent of the atf who works for the Gun Safety Group started by former congressman gabby giffords. You saw i think what happens here, which is a sort of argument on principle about one of open societys willing to tolerate, our constitution, that slides into technical questions. And those technical questions are a tear rain the nra is very effective at battling on, even when the commonsense argument for, say, the device that converts a semi to something that could sort of fire automatically doesnt seem particularly compelling. Do the terms of that debate end of being selfdefeating . I think so. I think when i talk about gun violence, you know, i rarely talk about guns. I talk about the shared belief that as americans we have to have the courage to figure out reasonable ways to keep guns out of the hands of people who will inflict harm on our nation. This notion that gun laws dont
work, you know i simply reject. I dedicated 25 years of my life on the front lines serving as a federal agent where on a daily basis i was arresting and bringing into courts people i know would have killed someone that night if we hadnt have acted. Now im not naive, i know that there are gaps in these laws and thats what we talk about, these gaps. Las vegas, you know, the first thing that i thought about was, isnt It Interesting that weve been fighting against the gun lobby, who Doesnt Want Gun Dealers to tell government when someone buys more than one long gun in a fiveday period, like they have to report for handguns. It would have been interesting for the government to know that someone had amassed this arsenal. Now perhaps there would have been nonissues of concern. But it might be worth the conversation, and i think our Law Enforcement, we need to trust them to have conversations, to investigate things. If not, really atf stands for
after the fact. And our Law Enforcement is just coming in after something horrible has happened. I think our government has a responsibility to keep our citizens safe. And we have to balance that with freedom and responsibility. Jason, one of the things that happens in these discussions, you saw the white house talking points, im not sure if you saw them, they invoked chicago and baltimore, a common trope. These are places that have very strict gun laws. Obviously the high rates of gun violence that are largely committed by illegal guns. But there is this thing, attention focuses on the gun in instances like this because the sheer History Roar Horror Of Th particular event is astounding. But its a mismatch to the daily horror of what happens in communities like chicago and bat lower. Right. Remember the only reason the republicans and the Trump Administration mentioned chicago and baltimore is black people, race, lets talk about Something Else other than the issue thats
important. Right now is the time that you have to talk about functional policy. If you see a car accident, thats when you should talk about safety belts. If your house burns down, thats when you talk about fire alarms. We should be talking about practical ways to prevent this from happening. I dont think its a good idea for us to just throw up or hands in society and say, well, getting shot randomly when you go to a Shopping Mall or casino is perfectly reasonable. You brought up an interesting point talking to the senator earlier. Part of the issue is the refusal on the part of some advocates for gun control to simply say, the other side is lying. The other side is being disingenuous. The other side is trying to avoid the issue. They want to talk about Everything Else other than the fact that you hive too many people in this country who have dangerous guns and that poses a threat to all of us. Until we can get to that core level of this conversation we end up spinning to circles and every five or six months hundreds and hundreds of people are negatively affected and many die. David, i think a lot of
people lau people have been looking at the reporting and saying, my god, 52 guns. I think the median number of guns in a gunopening household is eight . Thats partly due to the fact that fewer and fewer households are gunopening households but the households that do own guns own large arsenals. What does that mean, that 3 of American Adults own 50 of americas civilian guns . My experience is that some americans really value the right to own guns. They collect them. They even amass them for a whole host of different reasons. And theyre very intense about their beliefs. You know, what i try to strive to talk to people, im a concealed carry owner, i carry a gun for my safety, for 25 years on the job. I think most americans are in the middle, which is we recognize that as americans we exercise rights, we may buy guns for a whole host of reasons. But with that comes a responsibility. If youre going to carry a gun outside your home, youre going to require training. If you want to buy a gun or sell a gun, perhaps you have to fill out a form or pass a Background Check. You know, to me a lot of the people who value the right to have a gun seem to not want to exercise the responsibilities that help cops keep people safe. So to me, when someone says, hey, its inconvenient to fill out a Background Check, or fill out a federal form, its inconvenient to have to answer the questions of cops. I can tell you what inconvenient is. Inven is waking up at 6 00 in the morning, putting on your bulletproof vest, kicking down a door to get someone who already has a gun and hope you dont get killed. Inconvenient is what happened to my boss, gabby giffords. Inconvenient is whats happened to all the people in las vegas. To me, like most americans, i believe are with us in saying, hey, there are a whole host of
reasonable things that we can do. And i hope we start having the courage to really talk about it. Right. Jason, you agree . Yeah, i agree. Look, there are so many restrictions that we think are reasonable in this country. We drive a car, you have to have insurance. If i use my credit card too much the weekend the bank calls me and says, is this really you . Why is it that im able to buy 12 guns and no agency calls and says, hey, are you about to do something dangerous . These are reasonable things that we should expect for our own safety. All right, david chipman, jason johnson, thank you both. Thank you. Thank you. Still to come, from a war zone overseas to the american war zone right behind me in las vegas, my interview with the Security Team working the concert who say sundays shooting was worse than anything theyve ever seen. Your brain is an amazing thing. But as you get older, it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. Thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. The secret is an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. The name to remember. Whoamike and jen doyle . Than i thought. Yeah. Time for medicare, huh. I have no idea how were going to get through this. Follow me. Choosing a plan can be supercomplicated. But it doesnt have to be. Unitedhealthcare can guide you through the confusion, with helpful people, tools and plans. Including the only plans with the aarp name. Well that wasnt so bad at all. Thats how we like it. Aarp medicare plans, from unitedhealthcare. Fire, fully Automatic Fire an elevated position, take cover. Severed arteries, medical check weve got about 40 to 50 people pinned against this wall. Over the police dispatch, it sounded like what youd expect in a war zone. Automatic fire from elevated position. New video tonight filmed by a woman who took cover in the bleachers shows people risking their lives to administer cpr to victims in front of the stage as shots were still raining down from above. After the break my conversation with two concert Security Guards who were treating the wounded on what felt like a battlefield. Youre performing cpr on one person and youre doing compressions and breathing, compressi compressions, breathing, checking for pulse. And then after doing that two or three times theres no pulse. We were having to literally get and up move on to the next person. Shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength Alka Seltzer Plus liquid gels. The whole Country Booking on Choice Hotels. Com. Four words, badda book. Badda boom. Let it sink in. Shouldnt we say we have the lowest price . Nope, badda book. Badda boom. Have you ever stayed with Choice Hotels . Like at a comfort inn . Yep. Free waffles, cant go wrong. I like it. Promote that guy. Get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed. When you book direct at choicehotels. Com. Book now. Concert, made up of Security Guards who remove anyone who is intoxicated or unwell or causing trouble. Despite their years and years of experience, nothing prepared them for what they encountered that night. We thought it was fireworks. You know, i even looked at him, we got pyro . He goes, i dont know, do we have pyro . We were thinking fireworks. So i looked over, to see if there was anything, there was nothing there. Then the second burst came in and we realized it was gunfire. In that moment youre thinking, they didnt tell us about pyro, youre looking to see where the flares are. Flashes in the sky. The second volley, thats when it clicks in your head. Yeah. When you hear that second volley, what did you do . We kind of looked at each other in shock. Because at that point it sounded as if it was inside the park. You thought it might be
someone with a weapon there in the venue . Correct. And at that point we turned and headed into the crowd. We were just seeing Gunshot Injury after Gunshot Injury. There was a couple of people laying on the ground, unresponsive. We figured they had been deceased. So at that point in time we did what we could to get people in the medic tent, triage as much as we could. Still more injuries by the gates. We ran down there. I remember having to grab anything we could to perform as a gurney. So we used anything that had wheels on it. Trash cans, wheelbarrows. Injured people, putting bodies on there . Literally putting them in, wheeling them out, just to get them out. One young lady, she came out of nowhere, she said, ive been shot. She collapsed right on me. We did what we could. Gunshot wound to her upper left arm. We treated her. I found myself without medical
bandages or anything. I bass taking clothing and what was left knife . Yeah. Used a knife to cut tourniquets to stop as much bleeding as i could. After that he literally we stopped, started stopping vehicles, throwing people in vehicles, sake get them to the hospital as fast as you can. When youre performing cpr on one person and youre doing compressions and breathing, compressi compressions, breathing, checking for pulse. Then after doing that two or three times, theres no pulse. We were having to literally get up and move on to the next person. You know, you come across a woman who you dont even know its a woman because theres a man over her, just sobbing. Because its his wife or his girlfriend. The people, i mean, really, its not even i mean, the first
responders did awesome. But the people inside the event, inside the concert, there was so many people that stepped and up just said, hey, what can i do . Former Law Enforcement, former veterans, offduty paramedics, nurses, which did awesome job in the triage area. People just coming together, just amazing to see. How people would just say, look what can we do . Offering their own shirts to provide tourniquets, offering to help carry people out. Individuals taking it upon themselves to run right back into the venue. There was a guy who used his own belt as a tourniquet on himself. And kept telling the medics, dont worry about me. And went back in. Youve served in war. You guys have worked security for years. Youve been through stuff, i imagine. Have you ever been in anything like this . I was involved in a Lethal Encounter a few years ago. It was in the line of duty incident. But nothing like this. Nothing like a barrage of gunfire coming in, multiple casualties, mass casualties coming in. Law enforcement, firefighters, ambulance, medics, you all prepare for those mass but i dont think anyone was really prepared. You train for it. You dont know youre really prepared until you see it. I can honestly tell you, after the training ive done and been through, ive never seen anything like this. Ive been where there have been shootings. But you knew the direction they were coming in. Yes, you had an idea. You knew at least the area of where the suspect was. You could tell where the gunfire was coming from. Your son called you . Yeah, my son, hes in afghanistan right now. He called me the following day
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