And gabe sherman on his new reporting on roger ailes and involvement with the Trump Campaign, when all in starts now. Good evening from new york, im joy reid, in for chris hayes. Donald trump has spent his week engaged in what might be the strangest, most fly by the seat of the pants attempt weve seen in modern times to reach out to two groups with which hes historically unpopular latinos and African Americans. First, trump flew to mexico city for a meeting with the mexican president pena nieto, where he claimed the subject of who would pay for his mythical border wall, the major platform of his campaign, just never came up. Only to be almost immediately contradicted. Pena nieto said he told trump during their meeting that mexico would not be paying. Then at a speech in arizona that night, an entirely different trump emerged. He alienated several of his major latino surrogates in the process. Then last night on this show, marco gutierrez, founder of the group, latinos for trump, said this. My culture is a very dominant culture. And its imposing and its causing problems. If you dont do something about it, you gonna have taco trucks every corner. That spawned a viral hash tag and about a million jokes, including this tweet from the Clinton Campaign. Much more on that in a bit. But first to philadelphia, where trump held a round table with about a dozen African American community leaders. At a catering hall in north philly. Snoo just outside the event, protesters lambasted the president ial candidate as racist. After the round table, trump said he would bring jobs, improve schools and get rid of the crime. We met with numerous African American folks from the area and theyre having a tremendously hard time. And we will make things so good, were going to make things so good. Trumps trip to philadelphia comes ahead of his planned visit to a black church in detroit tomorrow where trump is scheduled to sit with wayne t. Jackson for an interview that will air a week later on the christian cable tv channel the impact network. Though interview might not be the right word. Yesterday, the New York Times reported on a leaked eightpage script for the interview, which showed the questions to be asked, and verbatim responses. That trump was advised to give. Such as i have a strong faith enriched by an ever wonderful god. The times reported that the Trump Campaign would have approval over the final cut of the interview before it airs and trump would not speak to the congregation. A trump aide has said the campaign wont edit the interview after all and that trump will speak before the members of the church. Well, today, Bishop Jackson insisted the interview wouldnt be entirely scripted and he contradicted the Trump Campaigns claim that the candidate would address the congregation. I have questions that they dont know about, no one knows about. I changed it after that came out. I want to make something very clear. There was no coercing with the Trump Campaign and myself to try to get him an upper hand on these questions. If he greets the congregation, as we do with all politicians or all visitors, if he wants to say, hey, im donald trump, im glad to be here, and its not going to be an interview or speech to the congregation, because if that was something that anybody got, they didnt give me the news. So i dont know where thats coming from. Jackson was even more emphatic in an interview today. Just spoke with Bishop Jackson and he insists that trump, despite campaign statements, will not be speaking to the congregation tomorrow. The campaign however, insisted to nbc news late today that trump definitely will be speaking. So were not sure whats going to happen tomorrow, and neither, it appears, is the Trump Campaign. Heres one thing we do know. Trump is in what you might call a deep hole with black voters. His favorable rating among African Americans in one new poll is zero, with a whopping 97 saying they have an unfavorable view of him. Another poll has him in fourth place among African Americans with just 2 support, less than gary johnson and jill stein. Joining me now, reverend joe watkins of the price Evangelical Church in philadelphia. Republican political strategist and former aide to president george w. Bush. And Community ActivistDeborah Williams, gop president ial candidate in pennsylvania, who was one of the people who met with trump today. Snoo thank you both for being here. I want to start with you, miss williams. You were in the meeting today. What did you hear from donald trump . Good evening, joy. I was very impressed. I wasnt sure of what to expect when i went to the meeting, but mr. Trump was prepared. He knew the statistics. He understood what was going on in the community. He did ask us questions to find out how we were feeling, what our temperature was in the communities. He even asked if we feel safe in our communities. And he talked about his plan for the communities. I was very impressed. And have you been surprised, made unhappy by, the fact that he has done this now meeting with about a dozen of you, about 12 to 14 people, but that he hasnt had that same kind of a conversation with African Americans more generally, like, for instance, speaking in a larger venue . No. I wasnt upset. Id asked several times if he would come to philadelphia. I wrote a piece called black lives matter absolutely. And though i dont agree with some of the things i saw outside of the venue today, were very disheartening. I was it would put you to tears. But that isnt, i dont think, symbolic of the entire movement. And he was concerned about how people feel right now. Because, you know, theres been something brewing for years in the black community, because no one in any party, has seriously addressed the issues that we need to address, in order to advance as a nation. And very quickly before i go to reverend watkins, were you a trump supporter before this meeting started . Miss williams . Oh, im sorry. I thought you were going to no, before i go to reverend watkins, were you already a trump supporter before this meeting . Pretty much, yes. But im absolutely. So reverend watkins, deborah is supporting donald trump so she was happy with the meeting. You as somebody who pastors a church in philadelphia, who is well known on the National Stage in terms of being an African American republican. Are you happy with the form of outreach that youve seen from donald trump today . No, not at all. I think its not serious. If you want to court any kind of constituency, theres a way to do it. One is with respect. Two, its to reach out to the leadership of that constituency, that is in our case, the naacp, the National Urban league with mark morial, the National Association of black journalists. There are a plethora of African American associations where he can reach out and begin a dialogue. Then if youre serious about it, you spend money. You hire staff people at high levels and you have them on the ground in all the key battleground states, because you need to have a message that appeals to African American voters and you cant talk to African American voters the way weve been talked to by him on tv, which is to say were all poor and live in neighborhoods where were afraid were going to get shot. We dont have any other choices, we might as well give him a shot. I dont want to be qted that way. Im insulted by that. And to come at me that way and to come at people who look like me and who are of my race that way is insulting to me. So have a real dialogue. If you go to milwaukee, talk to leading African Americans and large constituencies about how you stop black people getting shot by police officers. Thats one of the ways to show you are serious. Thats one of the ways to show that youre serious. And then spend money. Buy advertising in black newspapers and black radio stations and black tv stations. And then spend time with the African American community, really analyzing the problems and talking to the whole community. Because were a very Diverse Community like every other community in the country. So thats what i would suggest to donald trump if hes serious. I dont think hes serious. And obviously pennsylvania is a hugely important state in november. You pastor a church, youre republican, African American. Has there been any outreach to you, from the Trump Campaign for him to come and speak at your church . No, there hasnt been. And to my knowledge, i dont know that there are any boots on the ground, so to speak. If youre serious about winning a campaign, especially in a key battleground state like pennsylvania, youve got to have an office and people and Staff Members and folks who are making phone calls and who are reaching out to folks, and saying, heres what the message is, heres what were trying to accomplish, id like to you join us. I havent seen any of that. Maybe im alone in that regard, about you i havent seen any of that, certainly not in pennsylvania and in any other states as well. What do you make of that, debra . Do you think the Trump Campaign has done any real outreach in the community beyond telling black people, i guess, how bad off our communities are . Yes, there has been outreach, and im sorry that reverend watkins doesnt know about the outreach. I will talk to someone about that. Renee amoore, our deputy chair, is doing outreach. Ryan sanders, the people who were at the meeting today. They dont work for donald trump. Those are people that work for the state committee, they work for the state republican party. Excuse me. I didnt talk at all when you were talking. I didnt say anything at all. One thing i will say is that naming people that the audience thats listening to this is not going to know any of those people. Donald trump could have spoken to people who we do know. Like the naacp, like the urban league. As we leave the segment today, do you think he should have done that . I agree. I think he should speak with all of the groups, yes, i do. Okay, on that point of agreement, thanks so much for being here, Deborah Williams and reverend joe watkins. Thank you. Joining me now, trymaine lee. You are in detroit where tomorrows outreach effort, whats being billed as an outreach effort, is going to take place. Do you know at this point, 8 12 p. M. Eastern time, whether donald trump is or is not going to speak at that church in detroit . At this point, its so unclear. As you mentioned earlier, theres been really great reporting around this, getting the leaked documents, the back and forth, which really is theatrics, that at least here on the ground, are adding to the skepticism that so many people have about Donald Trumps outreach efforts. Ive been talking to people for the last few days who say donald trump can go city to city, in front of thousands of white people and talk about black unemployment and black violence, and how the youth are unemployed, basically to them, translating to that, your communities are no good and youre no good. Yet when it comes to speaking to black folks in a black city, detroit, perhaps the blackest of americas cities, that he cant pull it together to really engage with black people. So to your point, there seems to be so much in the air, yet it seems par for the course, in terms of how donald trump has engaged with black people. I spent some time in a little coffee shop called the motor city cafe. You go in the back, and theres beautiful murals. A husband and wife purchased blocks and blocks of abandoned, vacant homes, gutted them and allowed it to be an art space. Im sitting with a bunch of young people who are voters and they said, donald trump doesnt see this vibrance. He doesnt see that our families, sometimes theyre struggling, but in so many ways, we are thriving. I wanted to play this one clip from my interview. Lets take a listen right now. I think hes trying to play on our insecurities. And thats my problem. Youre basically telling us were helpless without you. But were not hearing that we need a white saviour to come save us when were capable of doing it ourselves. Why cant you acknowledge that . Thats when you hear Donald Trumps rhetoric, that ill make it so good you wont believe it, your communities will be safe, everyone will be employed. But when you come to the ground and speak to young people in particular, who are at once idealistic, but they see whats going on. Theres so much hope. Yet when they hear donald trump talk about how great hes going to make the communities, and how hes going to address their needs, they havent heard how. And like that Ralph Ellison quote in invisible man, im invisible because they refuse to see me. So many of these people in this community feel that donald trump so far has refused to see them beyond pathologies and social ills. Well definitely be watching tomorrow. I think one of the key optical questions is whether or not there are protests, how big they are, whether or not donald trump goes in the front door. We havent seen him traverse through a black community. We havent seen what that looks like. So that will be very interesting, and well talk to you about that very soon. Trymaine lee, thank you very much. Thank you. Still to come, bombshell reporting on ousted fox chairman roger ailes and alleged recordings of his meeting with a former fox host. Gabe sherman joins me to talk about the revelations in his latest piece and what he knows about how much roger ailes is advising donald trump. But first, that moment from last night that we must talk about. Well discuss right after this twominute break. My culture is a very dominant culture. And its imposing and its causing problems. If you dont do something about it, youre going to have taco trucks every corner. Using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit. Veggies. And herbs needed to create a popup pickyourown juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows. We have some of the freshest juice in town. See what the power of points can do for your business. Learn more at chase. 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Hold on a second. I have to let adriano in here. I dont know what that means and im almost afraid to ask. Im offended. Ill tell you what that means. The spanish never conquered mexico. We are a culture, we have a lot of good things that we bring to the united states, but we also have problems. So that was the founder of latinos for trump, mark gutierrez. And the reactions to that comment were swift and wide. It was the number one trending topic on twitter for hours, with many commenters agreeing with Hillary Clintons press secretary who wrote that their team is fired up for taco trucks on every corner. Washington post looked into the implications of a taco truck at any intersection in america and discovered, if you assume that three people were in every truck, thats 9. 6 million jobs created. Sounds delicious. But theres something serious about what he said, a kind of racial fear mongering that warns the american way of life is being threatened by mexican culture and that fear of other races, religions and cultures is something donald trump has been stirring up throughout his campaign. But perhaps whats makes his comments so [ inaudible ] this is a country where we speak english, not spanish. Look, theres something go on, the muslims. And theres something going on. Okay . We have hillary, wants to bring people in, as to whether they assimilate or not, you make the decision. But assimilation has not been exactly a positive factor. We also have to be honest about the fact that not everyone who seeks to join our country will be able to successfully assimilate. Perhaps what makes his comments so astonishing, by hand wringing about mexican culture, hes disparaging his own culture. Turns out last night wasnt the first time hes expressed that ironic and selfloathing statement. Heres what gutierrez sounded like before he came on the show. Heres what he sounded like before he came on the show. This is what i think about hispanics, because i am one. Our culture is a very dominant culture. If you guys, as americans, dont do something about this, honestly, hispanics, were taking over. I have six kids, guys. Lets be honest, lets be frank here. Joining me now, houston immigration lawyer who just resigned from trumps Hispanic Advisory Council and Maria Theresa kumar. Thank you both for being here. Maria theresa, i have to come to you first. When you hear when we first heard the comments, i think everybody was sort of shocked when he said the taco truck comment. People sort of made fun of it. But then we went back and heard the 16minute rant that he gave before he even came on th