Florida is a noshow thanks to a fan under his podium. Frank will join me tonight as we examine exactly what happened. Is there anything wrong with being comfortable. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Just moments ago, president obama pushed back on mounting calls to impose a travel ban from the west african countries where the outbreak began. I dont have a philosophical objection, necessarily, to a travel ban, if that is the thing that is going to keep the American People safe. If we institute a travel ban instead of the protocols that weve put in place now, history shows that there is a likelihood of increased avoidance. People do not readily disclose their information. They may engage in something they called broken traffic. Essentially breaking up their trip so that they can hide the fact that theyve been to one of these countries where there is a disease in plaus. And, as a result, we may end up getting less information about who has the disease. Theyre less likely to get treated properly, screened properly, quarantined properly. And, as a result, we could end up having more cases than less. Now, i continue to push our experts whether in fact were doing whats adequate to protect the American People. If they come back to me and they say that theres some additional things that we need to do, i assure you, we will do it. President s comments amid growing concerns where a house panel today over lapses of an Ebola Response that led to the infection of two nurses at that texas hospital. Nina fomm is now on her way from Presbyterian Hospital to a specialized facility of the National Institutes of health in maryland. Was this information given to your emergency room personnel . And was there any actual persontoperson training at texas presbyterian for the staff at that time . Yes or no . It was given to the emergency department. Was there actual training . No. This morning, on the today show, another nurse at Texas Health Department presbyterian what she saw as the hospitals mishandled response. They gave us an optional seminar to go to. Just informational. Not handson. It wasnt even suggested that we go. It wasnt, you know, something that they said, you know, you really should try to make it. It was no special gear. We were underpaired in the sense that we did not know what to do with the lab specimens. I just couldnt believe it, you know. And the second week of the ebola crisis at my hospital, the only gear theyre offering us at that time and up until that time is gear that is allowing our necks to be uncovered. Another nurse told nbc news that she is confident and the hospital has been pushing back on other nurses. The hopt is for the first time acknowledging missteps that may have resulted in the death of thomas eric duncan, the first ebola patient diagnosed in the u. S. Who succumbed to the illness last week. The cdc also came under fire in todays hearing why the there was allowed to board a plane with an elevated temperature on monday . Your comments you just made to us was that if she was wearing properly protected gear, shes okay to travel. If she was not, she should not have traveled. You just told us you dont know. We need to find that out. If theres one thing that everyone agreed on is that everyone on the republican side of the aisle is to control the travel in the countries where the outbreak originated. The president does have the Legal Authority to impose a travel ban because of health reasons, including ebola. I want to choin the chairman in urging the president to immediately institute a travel ban. I think perhaps this committee should consider forwarding to the full house a request that we have a vote on travel restriction because people are asking us to do that. And i think they are exactly correct. This is the question the American Public is asking. Why are we still allowing folks to come over here . And why once theyre over here, is there no quarantine. Even jamaica, as i read in the press earlier this week, has issued a travel ban from folks coming from west africa. Are you aware of that . But as the president explained, heres why a travel ban is actually a pretty bad idea. Under the status quo, a man in guinea would have to go through screening before getting on his flight. If he didnt have a fever or other sitsymptoms, hed be able to depart. For travel ban in place, it would notlessly keep this hypothetical man from getting into the u. S. All he would have to do is cross the border from guinea into mali. And there would be no screening and no record. The patient would have insentive to lie. Further, a travel ban would massively complicate aid workers, doctors and others from getting in and out of west africa where they are desperately needed to contain the outbreak at its source. The white house has so far resisted the growing calls for a travel ban. Moments ago, president obama said he would consider apointing an ebola czar. It may make sense for us to have one person in part just so that after this initial surge of activity we can have a more regular process just to make sure that were crossing all the ts and doting all the is. I spoke to one of the members of the House Committee that heard the hearing today and i asked her what she learned. Well, i think we learned that there were lessons learned. I think we learned that the Presbyterian Hospital in dallas made some mistakes and i think there were mistakes made by the cdc. By the ultimate thing that i learned, number one, we need to work hard as part of an International Community to contain the outbreak of in virus in west africa. And number two, we need to concentrate on our first responders, our emergency rooms, our icus, to make sure that they can identify anybody who comes in with ebola symptoms and then be able to train them. Do you think that you have a clear sense now of where the breakdowns happen and what is now being done to rectify those breakdowns . It seems inevitable, just given the math, that there will be another ebola patient who walks into some other emergency room during the course of this outbreak. I think we have to prepare for the worst. And, obviously, having another ebola patient would be the worst. But i think people still need to realize that its very hard to transmit this. You cant just get it from the air like you can the flu or a cold. So thats poshlt e important for people to realize. We learned some good information today. We learned for example what we knew already that when mr. Duncan came into the hopt in dallas and he said that he had come from west africa and he had a fever, they sent him home. And then we learned today that when he came back to the hospital for the first two days hoefs there and he was very, very sick in icu, the doctor told us that its likely that thats when these nurses were contaminated because the hopt wasnt using all the protocols that it could. So that needs to be beefed up. And then the final thing that i really learned is that the cdc needs to educate its providers much more clearly and they also need to be much more clear about these travel bans. Yeah, talk about the travel bans. There has been a chorus for the Republican Party for a ban. What do you think . What do you learn about that issue today . Well, when i said travel bans just now, i meant bans for the people who are being watched, the 41 people who are being watched. Some people are calling for travel bans from west africa to the united states. I, you know, the doctor said thats on the table. And if he thinks that could work, hell do it. But what we need to realize is that we need to contain that virus in west africa. So anybody who thinks that a travel ban is going to stop ebola from getting here is very, very foolish. This is a chart that we put into the record. I dont know if you can see it. We put this into the record at the hearing today and what it shows is people fly from west africa all around the world. If we did a travel ban in the united states, people could still come to europe or south america or other places. And the World Health Organization has said that if we dont stop ebola in west africa, 1. 2 Million People could be effected. Well, if that happens, youre going to have people with ebola all around the world, whether you have a travel ban or not. I think thats a little bit of a red herring. So do you think right now theres sufficient resources being devoted to that project . And theres a sufficient senator paul seems to think senator paul seems to think the only reason were not instituting a travel ban is some kind of misplaced political correctness. Thats far from those radical theories circulating about ebola. Ron johnson was asked today if we should be worried about isis infecting themselves and traveling to this country in order to use the virus as a buy logical weapon. Here was his response. Its something i started to think about it since this Ebola Outbreak started. We should do Everything Possible to defend ourselves against that possibility. I think that is a real and present danger. Real and present danger. Joining me now, editor in chief of vox. Com. I feel like we are watching all of the worst dysfunctions of american politics play out before our eyes three weeks before an election in which you have politicians basically looking for some kind of brute force response that is going to play the best in election as opposed to what would actually bestaddress the problem. Incredible levels of fear do not tend to improve politics as a general rule. And, yeah, you have an issue happening now where you have politicians back at home. People terrified. Theyre coming to them. They want something done. And the publishings do not have a good answer. Ebola isnt something you can ledge slat away. The thing that makes an intuitive sense of people and i think it should be said that its clear why it does is a travel ban. So that becomes the thing. Number one, your constituent sill wants you to. Now you cant go back to people and say theyre fighting for what you want. But those democrats righthand turn giving it to you. So that is an easy way to seem like youre doing something and theres a political value ents as to why it isnt getting done. Some people have been saying his affinity is with africa and thats why he wont institute a travel ban. He just says everyone who studies Infectious Diseases has told me this is a bad idea and will make the problem worse. Yeah. I think its worth saying. I think he gave a very good explanation why travel bans are a bad idea. But people, i think, missed it. The most important thing for making ebola for stopping ebola is west africa. Its not america. A disease cluster in dallas. The problem is starting out in dallas, imcolluding the nursz going on that plane. The issue with ebola is when you have isolation points. We are so far from that in america, anything like that isnt a consideration. The way that it happens is not that it happens here. Its not that it jumps from west africa to dallas. It overwhelms west africa and gets into india. You see that congressman had that chart of travel. And it begins to happen that way. And you get into a situation where the numbers are so large. They are very, very effective and they are incredibly time consuming. Incredibly labor intensive and require the infrastructure of isolation words that that fails you because you simply have too many patients. If you want this to not become a global epidemic. If you want this not to become a problem where its popping up in every city and airport, the thing to focus on is west africa. That is exactly, exactly correct. Thank you. The texas school that rejected students from nigeria because of ebola ahead. I thought itd be bigger. dad theres nothing i cant reach in my subaru. vo introducing the allnew subaru outback. Love. Its what makes a subaru,a subaru. New york giants are scheduled to play dallas in dallas. Are you worried because they had that breakout of ebola in dallas. Are you worried about your team going in dallas and, maybe, like, catching ebola or Something Like that . Are you guys going to have to take medical precautions . I think the cowboys are going to get it first. So its to our advantage. Giants were actually briefed on ebola ahead of their trip to dallas this weekend. But they should probably be more worried about trying to beat a team thats 5and1. Earlier this month, several applicants to Texas Navarro College received some troubling news in the mail. A letter dated october 2 nd, five days after Thomas Duncan was put in isolation reads, quote that letter was sent to at least two nigerian applicants. Today, the school stood by the decision saying quote so it looks like the texas school is now blocking all students from countries labeled at risk of ebola. We know theyve rejected students from nigeria. Nigeria has actually done a very good job of containing ebola. Nigeria flew into what could have been a complete and total disaster in one of the most heavily populated and poorest cities. Instead, it looks as if to be a successful containment. Eight times the population of guinea, sierra leone and liberia combined. Nigerians had no new cases since august and has been declared ebola free by the world Health Department organization. Its been such a successful effort, the cdc has sent researchers to see just how it was done. Doctor, how did nigeria that has a lot less money and less wellendowed Health Infrastructure pull this off . Good evening, chris. There are a lot of reasons why nigeria has been so successful. Nigeria has not been suffering through horrible conflict and civil war like the three most affected countries are. They went through horrible civil war, total depletion of health care infla structure. Were looking at a very different situation in nigeria. Theres a lot of Health Disparities because theres a lot of poor people, but there is an infrastructure in place. And then theres another infrastructure not many people know about that was articulated very well to me by my colleagues at the bill and Melinda Gates foundation. In 20 12, they put together a polio Emergency Response unit. So this was a president ial task force for combatting polio in this country. And they created an entire Health Care Infrastructure just for purposes of combatting polio. So when the first ebola case hit from the individual coming in from liberia, they used that as a template to mobilize a similar type of Emergency Operations unit. They used some of the same polio people that were so successful in controlling polio, put them on and repurposes for ebola. They mobilized a thousand soshl woerkers and caseworkers and they snuffed it out. I think its a great example of how they went from one case to 20 and then snuffed it out as opposed to what were seeing elsewhere in west africa. It isnt necessarily rocket science. Its a certain brut force and care and labor and execution of the plan that matters. Yeah, exactly. Thats why well never see an Ebola Outbreak in the united states. We have a terrific Health Care Infrastructure and a Great Public Health response unit, both at the federal level through centers for Disease Control and excellent state and local health agencies. We have the ability to identify a contact and there are been no additional cases in the community. Bill oriley and john sturt debate White Privilege. That actually happened. We will play you the high lights. Plus, no shortage of political debates this week. Tonight, round two, vermont gubernatorial debate, this time with a callin feature. Is. A single ember that escapes from a wildfire can travel more than a mile. That single ember can ignite and destroy your home or even your community you cant control where that ember will land only what happens when it does get fire adapted now at fireadapted. Org heres all i want from you today. This is it. This is all we have to do in this conversation. I want you to admit that there is such a thing as White Privilege. Thats all i want you to admit. I knew you were going to say that. [ cheers and applause ] thats it. Just a little i just i just want you to say im im im terribly, terribly wrong on this. Bill oriley and john stuart debating White Privilege sends like a joke, but it happened last night. Oriley has long argued theres just no thing. Last night, stuart tried his best with persistence and anonimty to try to get bill to understand the privilege. And how it might ef enapply do you think your upbringing gave you values and ethics . Yes, it did. You didnt grow up rich. No. We didnt have any money at all. You worked hard. Yes. You lived where . Levittown. So you lived in a nice home, those houses are subsidized. No, they werent subsidized. They were sold to gis and the gis got a mortgage they could afford. Look, youre making a huge mistake. No, no, no, no. Let me just ask you a question. Did that upbringing leave a mark on you even today. Of course, every upbringing leaves a mark on other people. Right. Could black people live in levittown . Not at that time. So that, my friend, is what we call in the business White Privilege. Okay. That was in 19 [ cheers and applause ] no. That was in 1950, all right. 19 50. Were there black People Living there in 1960 . In levittown . Yes. There werent. How do you know . I read up. You dont know that. I can find somebody. My point is this. While would you want to live there, its a nice place, but its not like its bell air. Its a place that built values. What you dont understand is there were millions of black neighborhoods that built values. Millions of them. But imagine growing up that you, as an american, as a g. I. Fought in world war ii couldnt buy into that because you were less. It was unfair. And the residue of that continues today and that is White Privilege. You may not be familiar with the story of orileys hometown of levittown, new york. But it was a great example for sturt to use to make the point of White Privilege. In february of this year, just after his super bowl interview, we took a look at the place bill o reilly once called home. I think you are much more of a friendly state. Im more of a Self Alliance guy. During his sit down with president obama, bill o reilly brought out one of his more famous themes. Hes a selfmade man. And those who dont subscribe to his political philosophy are looking for a hand out. The president took issue with that. You and i took advantage of certain things. I dont know about you, but i got tom loans to go to college. See, thats who i am. I painted houses during the summer, too. Its still 10. As bill o reilly will tell you, the place that made him is levittown. No uncle in the business, no social skills at all, im sure youd agree, kissed nobodys butt ever, rise up and command the position that i command. That couldnt happen in switzerland. It couldnt happen in japan. It happens in america. And though it might come as a shock to bill o reilly, levittown is creation of government policy. In the suburban postwar boom, long islands levittown was the model. Back in 1950, it was easier to buy the middle class life. Levittown was the first to complete communities. Levittown was created by a lot of hard working people, a few Smart Developers and federal housing policy. Among them was world war ii veter ran eugene burnett, who, in a 2 00 3 pbs documentary, explaped what happened to he and his wife when they tried to buy a house in levittown. I went up to the sales man. Were interested in getting a home. Were interested in buying one. What are the procedures . Is there an application to be filled out . So he looked at me and looked around and he said he says listen, its not me, but the owners of this development have not as yet decided to sell these homes to negros. The fha underwriters warned that the presence of even one or two nonwhite families could undermine real estate values in the new suburbs. These government guidelines were widely adocumented by private industry. Discriminatory federal policies, like those of the federal housing administration, helped build the welt in america suburbs. And they also helped build the poverty in americas ghettos. And it only started to end in 1968, with the passage of the fair housing act. Now, lets be clear. This doesnt take anything away from the grit, determination and hard work of bill o reilly or anyone who koim out of levittown. We are all standing on a scaffolding of laws and government policy. This isnt some kind of speculation. Its documented. In 2 0 0 8, the cornell poll asked people whether they had ever used a Government Social program. 57 of people said no. As political scientist susan metler write, 9 4 of those using a Government Program have benefitted from at least one. The average responded had to use four. There are two types of people in america. Those who recognize that theyre standing on top of something built to help them and those who believe they are naturally giants. few Political Races this Midterm Election have been quite as enjoyable as the governments race in vermont. The green moin tan state is an inclusive state, so everyone currently running for the office of governor, all seven of them, keep getting included in that debate. Last week, you got to meet candidates like selfdescribed socialist peter diamondstone. The spekt kal and bearded independent candidate bernie peeters. And half aficionado ericsson. Second of all, i would reinstate all the rest areas on the state highway that peter schemlin has removed. Weve actually been adding rest area facilities. Youve taken them out in 91 and 8 899. I can assure you that there have been no rest areas removed in my governor ship. Ms. Ericson and her hate proved to be one of the breakout stars of the evening. Fletcherfree library. I went there recently. They refused to allow aadulthoods to use headphones. They said children could use them in the childrens library. On chester vermont, no headphones. Public libraries, and not all want you to go out and protest, have 35 Strike Fighter jets because theyre designed to be dual capable to carry Nuclear Bombs and weve got to stop nuclear proliferation. Thank you. Thank you very much. Let me just say for the record, i think you should be able to wear earphones inside a library. And i think motor votes in which people are swimming are kind of dangerous. There one governors debate to another, well have the fallout over florida next. and right now, we want to take a shot of the stage. Here at bailey hall in broward county. As you can see, the two candidates invited to take part in this debate right now are not stepping up on the stage. [ laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, we have an extremely peculiar situation right now. We have governor charlie crist. Last night, we brought you the breaking news of Florida Governor rick scotts near noshow in the gubernatorial dwell bait over his opponent, Florida Governor charlie cryst. Grovel nor cryst has asked to have a fan, a small fan, placed underneath his podium. The rules of the debate that i was shown by the skothd campaign say that there should be no fan. Somehow, there is a fan there and for that reason, ladies and gentlemen, i am being told that Governor Scott really . Will not join us for this debate. Ladies and gentlemen what can we say . Well thats the ultimate pleading of the fifth ive ever heard. Do the rules of the debate say that there should be no fan . Not that im aware of. So the rules that the Scott Campaign just showed us that says no electronics can be used are we really going to debate about a fan . Or are we going to talk about education and the environment and the future of our state . I mean, really. Later in the debate, Governor Scott attempted to explain his side of what has become to be known as fangate. Governor scott, why the delay of coming out over a fan. He said he wasnt going to come he said he wasnt going to come to the debate. Afterwards, the cryst campaign posted a copy of the contract which has a handwritten asterisk adding with understanding the debate host will address any temperature issues with a fan as necessary. As documented, char wills ie had a long relationship with fans. He seemed to pull the same stuntd with his gubernatorial opponent in his 2 0 0 6 debate. He said thats not fair, get another fan in here or im walking out. The debate was delayed several minutes until the second fan could be found. After last nights debate, scott never refused to take the stage and debate. But charliecryst can bring whatever to the debate. Joining me now, the panel of last nights debate. All right. So what happened . What happened . Please explain . Well, they the governor people agreed to not have a fan there. It was written and actually said the word fan on it. I dont know why. But that was what the debate sponsor set up. And then suddenly oh, and they had this asterisk if it got too warm in the hall. So the organizers turned the airconditioning down so it was one point just before the debate, 66 degrees up there on the stage under the lights. But, still, one of chrsts people went in and installed this fan. So Governor Scotts people kept them off. So heres how i read the situation. The scott camp knows that he has this thing about needing to have a fan. Its clearly a comforted thing. Theres a long documented hisz ri. So scott people think oh, were going to screw him. Were going to negotiate debate terms so he cant have a fan. And the chrst people sneak a fan out there and then the scott people are totally flum oked. Is that how this went down . I dont know why it was in the greemt. Yeah, who cares . I dont know. Ive actually asked the debate sponsors that and hope to get an answer by tomorrow. Wu it was part of the agreement. Were you at any point concerned you were going to have to vamp for the hour that was budgeted . Or call the thing . We were over there kind of looking concerned and exchanging notes and trying to figure out what to do, especially if governor skothd didnt come out. Were we just going to talk to governor chryst for an hour. So we would have challenged him, as we did, later and we also challenged Governor Scott. But, personally, Governor Scotts people thought better of it than to send him out. I personally think boast candidates lost some points on it. Maybe governor skothd lost a few more. It was a statewide television audience. So there now is going to be another debate, im told cnn is cosponsoring that one. And that theres been a clear no fan policy. So i guess were going to see how he performs without the fan that is clearly a thing that he cares a lot about. Although i have to say, why anybody would care about whether someone had a fan or not continues to escape me. I dont know if youve seen buzzfeed, but they put out a slideshow of about 20 occasions where the governor is there and theres always a fan and they point to it with arrows. Yeah, its a thing. But it was quiet, we didnt hear anything. No one can tell if the fan was on or not. Theres a little noise, but nobody thought it was from the fan so we werent sure. Im writing a column now for sunday about its too bad that all of this attention was focused on such an issue and both of them really are at fault for it, i think. And theres so many more important things facing the people of florida. And that their chief executive officer would be reduced to arguing about a cheap fan is really beneath the state, frankly. Were going to talk about some of the substance in that race ahead. Thank you very much. Why the Florida Governors race is the worst one in the country next. Sweet charmin softness. Take a closer look at charmin ultra soft and youll love what you see. Not only can you use less, but you can actually see the softness in our comfort cushions. We all go. Why not enjoy the go with charmin ultra soft . Fangate was just the latest event in which Rolling Stone called everything that was wrong with american democracy. Jennifer carrol, former Lieutenant Governor in rick scotts organization, titled, when you get there. I remain flum oxed in how rick scott is governor to begin with. Given the fact that his record had some real big negatives to it. He just didnt seem to be at all a natural politician in any way, shape or form. Well, your question is the same that a lot of floridans have. And during the time that the governor ran in 20 10, his opponent in the primary election was a question mark for the voters as well. So the governor came across as a nonpolitician, an outsider that will bring a change to kbovt. As it turns out, it will be the good old boy system back in place again. What do you mean by that . Well, as i depict in my book, the good old boy system that continued to exist with the typical political maneuvers and back stabbing that occurs behind closed doors, the favoritism that occurs in politics when the good old boys are still in place and thats exactly what we have in the government in the state of florida. The Tea Party Got behind Governor Scott when he was running because he was going to change all of that. He was going to run the state as a business and have Accountability Measures and, unfortunately, it went back to the same old system. And the irony here is that he ran this big business, made a lot of money off of it and it was also a business that entered into the largest fee ever. He was here while this while some of the activity happened. He was never convicted. He took the fifth. But then he took the money that he made and he plowed it into i mean, a big part of why hes governor is he just spent a ton of money. Well, it was sort of the right time, right place situation. He had the money and he caught the tea party wave. He created this group. I think it was conservatives for health care reform, Something Like that. Opposing putting big money out there and making himself the face of this conservative movemented. He was running ads nationally against health care. Right. And the former attorney general of florida who he ran against was somebody who brought as you say, brought some history to this race as well. He had been one of the prosz cue xxs back in, you know, lost the senate race in 232 0 0 0. I will say he had a very low point in about two years ago. Now its back up to the mid 40s. And the big reason for that is theres a poll out that shows this race dead even. The reason why his numbers have come back is i dont think optimism is the right word. If you ask floridans, do you think its the right direction . Yes, its 4727. The reality is part of it has to do with the macro economy. Florida has created about 500,000 jobs during his term, which is a hundred thousand less than the 700,0 0 0 that have beenest mated. But are voters skeptical of charlie chryst . Yes, also skept kal of Governor Scott. Sos a a third party candidate, that is picking up steam with the voters and hes polling in double digits now. As a matter of fact, after the debate last night, he came out and stated i am the viable option for these two people. And i dont need a fan and i wont ne gauche yat over details. Thank you very much. Catch steve show weekends at 8 00 eastern here on msnbc. You can just call it rachel show. I got excited because the clock was ticking and ifrs going to hit it on the zero which weirdly makes me feel good like i put a button on the day and i rushed it. Ill just call you all with chris. All right. Thank you very much. This is a very busy news night. This is a full news day that all of the sudden became very full of late news at the end of the day. The president late tonight made some extensive remarks on the fight against ebola. Were going to have more on that in a moment, including the late news tonight about where americas current ebola patients are being treated. As of right now, none of them are being treated in dallas any longer. So were going to have much more on that coming up later in the show. As well as an unrelated story weve got tonight for you late in the show about bravery. Incredible bravery in the great state of alabama. Its a storyt
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