Transcripts For MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes 20141008 : co

MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes October 8, 2014

In the death of Michael Brown. Plus all in travels to the land of big tobacco and big coal. Is it toxic in and of itself. Coal ash is not toxic. And Jennifer Lawrence on her hacked photos. Its not a scandal. Its a sex crime. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. The fbi needs help in identifying a masked man that appeared in an isis propaganda video speaking in what sounds like a north american accent. Were here in the 17th Division Military base outside the city and were here with the soldiers of bashar. You can see them digging their own graves in the very place they were stationed. The man could be one of the dozen or so americans the fbi believes is fighting with isis in syria. This weekend a 19yearold was arrested at the airport allegedly on his way to join the militants. Despite the bombing campaign, the group is continuing to gain ground after more than a week of fierce battles with kurdish fighters, they are on the verge of taking a city a few hundred feet from the board we are turkey, a nato member and key u. S. Ally. The u. S. Military stepped up air strikes on targets in the area. The turkey president says that wont be enough another question, if air strikes fail, then what . Despite that unanswered question and many others, there is remarkably little political debate over the isis strategy arming the Syrian Rebels and both chambers of commerce on a bipartisan voices and few voices of descent in washington while Government Supports air strikes. Yet still, politicians are looking for ways to make isis a wedge issue. Got bro scott brown used it. Radical islamic terrorists are threatening the collapse of our country. They seem confused about the nature of the threat. Not me. The Congressional Committee unleased isis theme adds against democratic candidates. Evil forces around the world want to harm americans every day. Their entry into our country through arizonas backyard. Well congressman tom cotton may be pretty extreme, as far as i can tell an unsupported pitch on a Conference Call with voters. Islamic state, collaborate with drug cartels in mexico and have clearly shown they can infiltrate our defenseless southern boarder and attack us right here in places like arkansas. This is an urgent problem and its time that we get serious about it and ill be serious about it in the United States senate. And in the hotly contested race for arizonas ninth congressional district. Wendy rogers just unveiled this ad against democratic incumbent. Terrorist threats are growing. Are we secure . Are we protected . Deeping us safe and secure is congress job. Yes, you are not mistaken, that was a shot of james foley from the isis video of his murder. We reached out to invite the candidate to join us but we were told she cant make it. The ad is taken down from youtube but the campaign will continue to run on tv. Joining me is ruben gallego. Running for congress as a democrat in arizona. Adjacent to the district. What is your reaction to seeing the murder of someone, the preamble to the murder of someone . Its disgusting. You know she could take advantage of and phoenix sees known as a really trusted and dedicated teacher that worked in the Poorest School Districts and to see, you know, his face without the permission of his family, for what the Rogers Campaign is doing is disgusting and really dishonorable for someone that considers herself an honorable person in the air force, she should be ashamed of herself that Something Like this ever occurred. You served in iraq and we are now in a campaign in which iraq is on the front burner again. What do you make of this as someone who served there . Well, a lot of it is deja vu again. I served in a lot of cities being fought over right now. So its a lot of thraflash backr me but reminds me of just really what took place with, you know, split voter asks create wedges. And i think its just really an unnecessary thing thats done by republicans and i see it not just in cinemas district but kir p isis clearly wants to make americans scared and intimidate them and they can gain something for making americans scared which is how you end up with propaganda from what everyone says is a brutal horrific and murder group in an ad for an american politician. Its shocking that anyone would ever approve of this. You know, the amount of pain that they put the family through and then also to have another propaganda coup to isis by actually going back and actually replaying this is horrible and ir irresponsible and its irresponsible leadership shes showing and we can not trust her to be a congresswoman. Isis may have gotten our attention by killing americans and wiping out religious organizations. Among the thousands of People Killed by isis according to a vent un group a large majority appear to be not surprisingly fellow muslims and not just the members that have killed fellow sunnis which is part of why isis is condemned my muslim leadership u turkey and egypt and that seals increasingly relevant among a conversation about the nature of political islam we addressed here last night. More than 12 years the ameri America Media had a debate as a distantly force and affairs yet time and time again, there is this conversation that bubbles to the surface about the muslims that still often doesnt actually include, you know, muslims. So if youre going to have this conversation about the muslims are this or the muslims are that, then have it with someone that practices faith youre talking about. Tonight were going to do that. Joining me is professor of international law, author of your fatwa does not apply here. She wrote about people standing up to terrorism after her own father faced Death Threats for that. The million hits about precisely this struggle in countries from egypt to algeria to pakistan where you have folks who are attempting to look in the eyes of the most fundamentalest and mercyless groups. Its inspiring. What do you make of this conversation as it plays out in the wake of gruesome isis beheading . I think we need to get beyond this shallow debate. We need to stop the discrimination against muslims and the statement against islam and support those on the ground who are standing up to it. What does that mean, though . I think this is where i think i start to ask ben affleck said whats your ask at one point . Thats an interesting way to puts it. I dont see people defending isis. The people im close with in egypt who are anarchiests dislike the Muslim Brotherhood and cheered on a coup because they disliked the Muslim Brotherhood so much. As an american, what does standing with x Group Standing up to a fund Mental Organization mean . Does that cash out at . The first thing we need to do is recognize their kpexistence, listen to their voices. Women campaigning against extremists from afghanistan to nigeria. There is the progressive muslims here in the United States and los angeles working even performed samesex must llim marriages. We need to make sure they have access to the media. All of that is critical. Its not that the u. S. Or americans need to fight this struggle for muslims and people of muslim heritage. We need to support their effort. That to me is the thing about the u. S. Fighting. Part of what ends up being the direction i feel like this conversation is taken in the past week or two weeks aside from some10nir6 nonsense abou there a specific problem with islam and the faith, is this question of, well, refir mansion. The conditions that most empower in any society but particularly is the sense that outsiders are attempting to wage some kind of battle against heritage and faith. This is not a clash of civilizations between the west and islam. This is a clash within a civilization on the ground in every country where extreme mism is found and the people who understand it the best are the people who have been fightingint for decades while the United States unfortunately is supporting the gulf government that helped to number accomplish the fundamentalest move thes. If you wanted to say whats one concrete thing the u. S. Could do to starve the oxygen for this, it would be to have a serious reckoning which is out of which flows, most money for the exporting of the most extremist ideology. I would like to see them standing up for those, like one facing a thousand lashes. I would like to see the United States standing up for the right of women in saudi arabia to drive and being openly critical as Vice President biden was courageous to do of governments supporting these movements. Yeah, that was a fascinating moment in america Foreign Policy because joe biden made the mistake of telling something, at least to me, looked roughly like the truth. Much of the fending for the extremist elements in the syrian war flowed out of private citizens in qatar and saudi arieb aarea and had to basically apologize to the regimes for saying that. Yes, and im worried as we ally in the battle against isis we will overlook their own records of promoting fundamental list m. In pakistan one woman said you in the u. S. , youre supporting the biggest state in the world which is saudi arabia. We have to rethink that. Thank you very much. Thank you. A new report reveals officials in ferguson are preparing for the worst if the officer who shot and killed Michael Brown is indicted. A traffic stop leads to more questions about the standard protocol in American Police departments. Thats ahead. You got the bargain kind . You would need like a bunch of those to clean this mess. [ kc ] youre probably right. Hi, cascade kitchen counselor. 1 pac of cascade complete cleans tough food better than 6 pacs of the bargain brand combined. Cascade. Beyond clean and shine. Every time. Than 6 pacs of the bargain brand combined. I have the worst cold with this runni better take something. Dayquill cold and flu doesnt treat your runny nose. Seriously . Alkaseltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms plus your runny nose. Whats in a can of del monte green beans . grown in america. 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The fact that officer Darron Wilson spend nearly four hours making his case before the grand jury, the target of the investigation is not typically brought in to do. The prosecutor did not recommend a specific charge leaving it to the grand jury to take new evidence and decide what the evidence warrants is returning the grand jury into a Detective Unit itself, something the Washington Post characterized as an a typical approach. The people around that city are still angry and frustrated. The situation is just as tense now as it was almost two months ago. If you want a snapshot what is brewing beneath the surface, this is video taken outside the st. Louis cardinals last night. There is a man with a i am Darron Wilson on his back. Lets go darren, justice for mike brown, lets go darren. Racial tension as you can see is still there. Call for justice is there. Joining me now, traymene lee. Youve been back there more recently than i have. That snapshot was, you know, again, there are people who are drunk at a baseball game, you dont want to draw massive conclusions at the same time that is a snapshot, that to me was a tiny blip of visible blip of what i had been seeing when i was down there benooeeat the surface. When you look at that video, its terrifying. We are sorting out details with the grand jury and not clear what if anything was done wrong by Darren Wilson by for a crowd to cheer Darren Wilson, another person said we gave you all the rights you have and another person said if you went and got a job we wouldnt be in this situation. It shows you how the situation is and nerves are frayed and still very fragile. People say in the protesting, they have been protesting in creative ways and disruptive ways. They are refusing to let this go away, even if the process of the grand jury is happening. This is something that happened with the orchestra saturday night. Which side are you on, friends, which side are you on thats intense and a reminder whatever happens going forward, however the Legal Process plays itself out, were at the beginning of the story and that its not just going to stay in north county st. Louis. Right . Thats in the st. Louis synphony. The level of sophistication is spreading this weekend the resistance planned with thousands of organizers from across the country that plan upon defending across ferguson. Its going around broader efforts but masking the very real anger because there is a concern as you talk to folks, i talked to people every day. You know. Darren wilson might no be indicted. Increasingly, people dont think it will happen. That has no bearing on what is happening in that process and if he deserves it from a legal perspecti perspective. I dont see the evidence from an outsiders perspective, it seems like having covered criminal trials, ive seen less evidence got an indictment than this. I would say when people talk about p about preparing for riots because a large group of African American people are upset, im like whats the racial subtext here. In this case there is so much anger, i dont think there are going to be rite ots or no riot but everyone i know is preparing for that moment. The scary thing is referring back to the reuters article where gun sales among white residents is through the roof. Look at hurricane katrina. When you had people trying to flee, they were firing over their heads. And the rumor mill, there is a rumor mill on different sides of the racial divide, im hearing it to sources im hearing and talking to, they are planning to evacuate the white people. Lord knows what is true but people are in an anxious terrified situation. That fear is very dangerous because that some people would say thats what got us in this situation in the first place. This fear of this black man. Now you have thousands of angry black people. How do you handle it . That moment on a saturday afternoon is there has been periods of mutual escalation in which particularly when Law Enforcement escalated, the situation is more out of control and Law Enforcement is deescalated. The situation is calmer. Thats the pattern throughout and that will be really important in the coming days because of this. Thank you very much. What might be Excessive Force caught on tape, what happens may shock you but police say were just following protocol. We have the tape and will play it for you. Stick around. Goal is to grow. Gotta get greater growth. I just talked to ups. They got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. Like smart pick ups. Theyll only show up when you print a label and its automatic. We save time and money. Time . Money . Time and money. Awesome. Awesome awesome awesome awesome all awesome i love logistics. Wethey were a littlehorizons to mbit skeptical. Ss, what they do actually is rocket science. 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