Deported. Theres much more where that came from. This is a part of the war on whites. All in starts right now. Good evening from washington. Im ezra klein sitting in tonight for chris hayes. Theres big news tonight in the middle east where there are signs of a potential breakthrough. Both israelis and palestinians signing on to a 72 hour ceasefire brokered by egypt. The ceasefire is set to begin tomorrow at 8 00 a. M. Local time. It is worth saying, however, the two sides here do not have the best record in the ceasefires. A previous ceasefire put in place on friday lasted only two hours before fighting between the two sides resumed. Earlier today, israel initiated a partial ceasefire on its own as it began to withdraw Ground Troops from some of the more populist areas of gaza saying that are, extremely close to completing their mission of destroying hamas network of underground tunnels. An air strike hit a home killing an 8yearold girl and wounding at least 29 others according to the New York Times. That refugee camp it should be said is far from the Southern City of rafah which Israeli Army Officials said was the only urban area where there would be fighting on the ground today. Across the border in israel, in what the Israeli Government is now calling a terrorist attack, a man in jerusalem drove a construction vehicle into a bus, flipping the bus over and killing one pedestrian. The driver of the construction vehicle was fatally shot by Israeli Security forces. Hours later, a gunman on a motorcycle shot and wounded an israeli soldier in east jerusalem. Israel said its partial ceasefire today was intended to allow humanitarian aid into some of the hardest hit areas of gaugaza and let some of the almost half a million palestinians displayed in the fighting return to their homes in the areas where israeli troops are no longer engaged, if indeed, they have homes to return to. Nearly 250,000 of those displaced people have been sheltering at facilities run by the u. N. Relief and works agency for palestine refugees. And yesterday, for the second time in a week, a u. N. Run School Acting as refugee shelter was hit by israeli fire. An israeli missile struck near the entrance of the u. N. School in rafah where around 3,000 palestinians were seeking shelter, killing at least ten people and drawing the strongest condemnation yet from the u. S. Government. State Department Spokesperson jen psaki said in a statement, the United States is appalled by todays disgraceful shelling outside a unrwa school in rafah. We once again stress that israel must do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties. Israel said the missiles meant to hit three militants on a motorcycle. Instead, it killed ten people at a u. N. School. This comes after an israeli strike killed 21 people at a unrwa school at a refugee camp less than a week ago provoking an emotional response from the organizations spokesman. The rights of palestinians, even children, are wholesale denied in its reporting. My [ crying ] an examination of that by the New York Times suggests that israeli troops paid little heed to warnings to safeguard such sites and may have unleashed weapons inappropriate for areas despite rising alarm over civilian deaths. Joining me on the phone from telaviv, is spokesperson for the United Nations relief agency. Chris, i appreciate you being here. My great pleasure. Thank you so much for having me on your program. Much appreciated. What is your response to the New York Times reporting that israel may have ignored warnings about the location of one of the schools and fired artillery shells into a dense urban area . Let me say first of all we in unrwa made 33 calls to the israeli army telling them there were people in the school, 3,000, telling them after the precise gps of that school. The last of those calls was put through an hour at 09 45 yesterday morning to the israeli ae army, and in spite of that, we still had this terrible instant in which five children were killed between the ages of 3 and 15. Now, its interesting, you quoted quite accurately, extremely accurately the state departments statement and elsewhere in that statement the state department made it clear to israel that simply being, having a suspicion that there are militants on a motor bike would not justify a strike on an installation where there are 3,000 people. There is laws of war the principle of proportionality, and you simply cant because you hope you might kill a militant put at risk the lives of thousands of people in that school. And sadly, because that risk was taken, children died. So you said 33 calls . We made 33 calls to the israeli army. That is correct. Notifying them of the exact gps corrdinants of that school and the last call before the fatal strike was put in an hour before. This isnt the first time. As you said in your introduction, in another school, it was 17 calls informing them of the exact area. Now, im not accusing the israeli army of making a direct and deliberate hit. What im saying is that there are questions which i think need to be answered, and that is why we are asking for an investigation and interestingly, the state department has also said there should be an investigation. We owe the families of those killed, those children between the ages of 3 and 15, and others, an explanation because if youve ever grieved in a situation like this, i can tell you one of the first steps you need if youre going to move toward some kind of closure, is the truth. And we owe it to those people. Just as on the other side, the people who lose members of their family, for example, in the israeli army, its important that they should find out the truth about what happened to their loved ones. On the other side, its important that people should know what happened. Thats why we say we want an investigation. Thats one of the many reasons why there must be an investigation. Israel blames the civilian casualties in gaza on hamas which it says uses civilians as human shields and fires rockets and stores arms in heavily populated areas. Whats your response on that . Well, we are very clear, we condemn in the strongest possible terms the rockets that fly out. It is absolutely condemnable, absolutely unacceptable that 6 million israeli civilians are terrorized by these barrages of rockets that fly out. On the other hand, there is no evidence whatsoever in any of the schools that have taken direct hits by israeli shelling so far, there is no evidence whatsoever that in any of these instances there were any militan militants using our facilities either to fire rockets or, indeed, to store rockets. There have been examples of militants going into schools, most closed down by the summer, where our staff simply didnt have a presence. There are examples, three examples, of militants doing that. On all those occasions, we proactively came out and condemned it, but that is not the fact that there are militant rockets that have been found by unrwa in our regular inspections in schools elsewhere in the gaza strip does not justify attacks on schools where people are taking shelter. We simply cannot put civilians, children, women, at risk in that way. Given the recent record in the ceasefires that have been struck so far, are you optimistic about the 72 hour ceasefire that has been afreed to tonight . Look, i can say that this ceasefire simply has to work because there is a human displacement catastrophe which is unfolding. 270,000 people are in u. N. Shelters, unrwa shelters tonight, and that figure will simply rise further unless we have a ceasefire. It must end. And can i also say that beyond a ceasefire, there must be a Permanent Peace because it is utterly unsustainable to have a situation where every couple of years civilians in israel are terrorized by these barrages of rockets, and also 2 million civilians, nearly 2 million in gaza, are subjected to the wholesale denial of dignity and the wholesale denial of rights. Weve all seen the pictures of whats been going on in gaza. We all know that civilians have paid an inordinately high price. Its unacceptable for this to happen again. When the final guns fall silent, its important theres serious engagement with addressing the underlying causes of the conflict in gaza, and that includes the blockade because i think everyone in israel, everyone in gaza thats been through this experience can realize it must never, ever be allowed to happen again. Chris gunness from the United Nations relief and works aswrensy. Thank you for being here tonight and thank you for the work youre doing. Thank you so much for having me. The state departments condemnation of israels strike on the u. N. Shelter yesterday is only the latest sign of fraying u. S. israel relations over the course of this conflict. Now top officials in the Obama Administration are adding their voices to the growing chorus expressing concern over the high number of civilian casualties in gaza. U. S. Ambassador to the u. N. Samantha power issued a statement calli ining yesterday attack on u. N. School, quote, horrifying, while Valerie Jarrett said it was indefensible. Israel absolutely has the right to tee fend itself and we are israels staunchest ally, but you also cant condone the killing of all of these innocent children, so were very concerned, were monitoring the situation closely. The United States wasnt even present for the ceasefire negotiations in cairo today which may or may not have anything to do with the absolute shellacking secretary of state john kerry got from the Israeli Press and its Political Class the last time he got directly involved. But now german newspaper duspe fwrks al is reporting Israeli Intelligence evesdropped on telephone calls by kerry during the mideast peace talks and used the information obtained during the investigations. Joining me, Heather Hurlburt in the Clinton Administration and now a fellow at the new america foundation. Ezra, thanks for having me. What do the revelations into possible spying on kerry, not that america has such a clean record on spying on allies, itself, mean for the u. S. israeli relationship right now . Well, im tempted to say it cant get much worse than it is. And also ill say that im quite sure that secretary kerrys delegation assumed all the time that the Israeli Government was trying to do that. So in some ways that may not make things worse because it lets the u. S. Go and say, yep, we knew you were doing that, whats it gotten you . Actually i think thats a sideshow. You said a moment ago that it cant get much worse. Explain that for a minute. Has there been a serious deterioration in the relations between the two countries . And if so, is it something that will last beyond the end of this conflict . Well, we have to different shat the relationship between the countries and relationship between the governments. I think its fair to say its been a couple of decades since relations between two governments were as bad as they are right now. On the other hand, defense cooperation remains at unprecedented high levels. One could argue that the reason israel has suffered such a tiny number of civilian casualties despite the unprecedented number of rockets that have been aimed at it is the ramping up of cooperation of iron dome and the antimissile systems that occurred under this administration. So the picture is complicated, as you said, israeli Public Opinion left, right, and center in recent days has been united in saying whatever that is wrong here, its john kerrys fault. So that is a serious problem that israel is going to have to get over. I also think if you look at american Public Opinion polls, younger americans are taking a dramatically different view of israel than Older Americans are in part because a generation thats grows up on the kinds of pictures we just saw as opposed to people my age and older who grew up with a very different image of what was going on in the region. So, so long term there are questions about the relationship that are much bigger than netanyahu and obama. One of the things that happened the last couple of years was that secretary kerry, i think to some degree out of sight of a lot of the u. S. Political class, really put a tremendous amount of personal energy, personal capital into trying to broker a peace deal. Now were at a point where egypt is hosting these talks for longterm truce between israel and hamas and the u. S. Is basically at this point not involved. I wonder to what extent youre seeing a, might continue to see after the fighting has resolved, a shift in attention, a sort of exhaustion on the part of american political leaders that steps forward can actually be effectively taken . Actually i think youre going to see the opposite. For two reasons. One is that this horror that weve seen over the last few weeks, the casualties on both sides, the changes in public o p opinions on both side, levels of fear, despair, disgust youve now seen. People are going to understand a little better why john kerry was going around saying, look, we cant let this go, cant let it sit there. Something he was widely mocked for in the u. S. So i actually think there will be something of a resurgence of attention. The other thing, cairo is hosting the talks, but remember, hamas and cairo barely talked to each other. So in point of fact, it remains the case to, you know, whether you like this, whether you dont, that the u. S. Remains really the only party that everybody talks to. Now, everybody talks to the u. S. In order to heap abuse on us and tell us what john kerry is doing wrong, but point of fact, it remains the case that not egypt, not russia, not turkey, not the eu, not the u. N. , theres nobody else who has that relationship, so as every president before him, obamas going to find himself sort of stuck right in the middle of this. One of the features of this conflict has been particularly in israel a tremendous unanimity in public support for the offensive in gaza. And im curious what you think in terms of what will happen after, if there will be any cracking in the israeli position on what is best to do in gaza Going Forward . Im thinking particularly of st blockade of what is done in terms of hamas. What do you think the sort of status quo after the operation on the tunnels is completed will be . Well, again, you really have to differentiate because theres been tremendous support for the operation but a collapse in support for the netanyahu government. Thats actually the first place youre going to see a potential Seismic Shift in israel and youve seen, frankly, some jockeying among parties in netanyahus government thats made the job of kerry and other outsiders much more difficult. The second problem, the israeli public for entirely understandable reasons wants to see hamas punished, hamas completely removed from the political scene. But, frankly, thats who the Israeli Government has to talk to to get the ceasefire. And if theres one thing that comes out of this, it is that the netanyahu governments effort to frustrate the coming back together of hamas and the Palestinian Authority will probably have failed. So, the israeli public is now going to be stuck with having hamas in its universe in a way that frankly it was better able to ignore hamas before this happened and before everybody was reminded of just how appalling a force hamas is. So thats the other sort of Seismic Shift that i see. Heather hurlburt, thank you for being here tonight. Thanks for having me. Why the Ebola Outbreak that happened in africa will never happen in the u. S. And it is not for the reasons you may think. Well explain, next. Rn . Try alka seltzer reliefchews. They work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. Mmm. Amazing. Yeah, i get that a lot. Alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. Enjoy the relief. For over 19 Million People. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. Transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. Transamerica. Transform tomorrow. 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