You see, there is the real benghazi. A city in the north of libya, east of tripoli, a city of over 600,000 people. The site of an american consulate, the place where an attack on september 11th, 2012, took the lives of four americans. A place turmoil and violence. That is the real benghazi. That benghazi is appropriately enough in the background of this graphic. That embassy burning is in the background because thats the real benghazi. The other benghazi is benghazi. Benghazi is the world of online conspiracy theories, twitter trolls, and facebook right wingers. Benghazi isnt a real place, where real people died horrible deaths. Its the alternate universe of endless conspiracy theorizing and propaganda that has sucked the entire right knee a paranoid vor decks. Its represented on the speakers graphic by the fake breaking news banner that is there for no reason. This graphic and the speaker. Gov. Benghazi is where you can find tweets about how Hillary Clinton has buckets of blood on her hands. The white house sends more personnel to the bundy ranch over cows than they did to benghazi. Its the place where people think that a White House Communications adviser looking at white house talking points is the next watergate. Benghazi isnt just online, its an entire industry, an entire imaginary realm. Its where, for instance, Lindsey Graham has actually been living for the past year. This is not a fox news story, this is an american story. Im not satisfied with having the executive branch tell me what happened in benghazi. The scumbags are the people in the white house who lied about this. Were just starting on benghazi. Benghazi is the alternate fox news universe where there is only one thing going on in the world and it is benghazi. All right. We were waiting for others to ask questions. We know that the next question coming up is from a german reporter. We are not anticipating that that would be about the situation with benghazi, which is breaking news since the president has been talking really. So if, in fact, somebody stloes him a question on this topic, well go back to that joint news conference. Thats fox breaking away from a Live Press Conference for the president because no one had asked a benghazi question and they werent anticipating a benghazi question but theyll go back to it when and if there is a benghazi question. The existence of benghazi doesnt mean, and this is really important, doesnt mean that there isnt still a real benghazi, a real place where real policy failures happened. Where real people lost their lives horrifically. A place where the intelligence was not good and Diplomatic Security was terrible. But, of course, if the politicians who spend so much time hyping benghazi actually cared about real benghazi, well then they wouldnt have voted to cut the budget for Diplomatic Security in places like the real benghazi. The most insidious aspect of benghazi is that if you express the warranted contempt for the absolute hysteria that surrounds the topic, the people, the denizens of benghazi will accuse you of disrespecting the memory of four americans who died in actual benghazi. Its exactly what they did to Hillary Clinton last year when she grew frustrated when a senator insisted that members of the administration had intentionally misled the American People. With all due respect, the fact is, we had four dead americans. Was it because of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided to go kill some americans . What difference at this point does it make . It is our job to figure out what happened, and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again. Clinton was painted by the right wing media as spitting on the grave of four americans. Lying to the American People for two consecutive weeks, now forgive me but im willing to bet that it makes a difference to the families of the four dead americans. That same routine is being played out again only this time its happening to former National SecurityCouncil Spokesman tommy vitor. Yesterday he appeared on fox news. He wanted to know if he edited the talking points on benghazi. Keep in mind in his role he probably wrote and changed thousands of talking points. Did you also change attacks to demonstrations in the talking points . Maybe. I dont really remember. You dont remember . Dude, this is like two years ago. Were still talking about the most mundane dude it is the thing that everybodys talking about. The frustration in his voice, the incredulous dude there. That is directed that benghazi. But predictly the people who inhabit the world of benghazi exploded in dramatic outrage. He doesnt understand dude he actually does understand that when you change talking points after an ambassador is killed three other people are dead in a Major Military operation led by the United States, that that is huge. Four americans life brutally savagely taken, they were ki8ed, killed i think tommy vitor understands that four people were brutally murdered in the real benghazi and that is exactly why he like many others are sick with dealing with benghazi. Theyre tired of dealing with people who seem to care less about what actually happened in benghazi than how they can use the deaths of four americans to make Hillary Clinton and the white house look bad. Joining me now is tommy vitor, former National Security spokesman for president obama. Tommy, first i should get you to respond to the reaction to your interview yesterday. Were you saying dude that was two years ago about what happened there, or about the question pertaining to whether you edited some talking points . Yeah, i mean, brett was asking me to remember what, if i changed a word on september 14th, 2012. And my frustration came through. I guess youre only supposed to speak the queens english on fox. But obviously what happened that day was an absolute tragedy, and what i wish we talked more about on fox and everywhere else is what were doing to make sure it never, ever happens again. Like you discussed. Yes, well that seems to be absent because as far as i can tell the obsessive coverage of this in the right wing media is about hurting Hillary Clintons chances in 2016, frankly, and because they have worked themselves up to believing that there was some massive coverup to essentially quash, i dont know what, it keeps changing, to make the president look good. Was there a massive coverup . No, there was not. And yet, no one has explained to me what it was that was covered up. What i do know is that fox news and right wing radio has constructed this alternate reality where Brarack Obama watched video, drone footage of the incident as it happened where the cia was told to stand down where the military could have come to their rescue and didnt because some choices made not to all of those things have been debunked in the real world but in the fox news benghazi world these are things people still believe so of course people on twitter or listening to these shows are incensed about it. Because theyve been fed this fake reality created by fox news and these other outlets that in no way mirrors what actually happened that day. Four years or two years after this happened, are we in better shape both in, in, in, in libya or around the world in protecting embassies . I mean, has, it seems to me theres been zero policy discussion about how it went down, zero policy discussion about the actual intelligence failures that may or may not have happened and zero policy discussion of how we protect our embassies . So in the wake of those, in the wake of the series of protests that were the result of the innocence of Muslim Videos we had daily twice daily meetings about embassy security. And people asked really, really hard questions about are certain facilities in pakistan or yemen or sudan in truly, truly dangerous places secure enough for our diplomats and changes were made. But at the end of the day, chris, it really does boil down to the fact that these are brave people serving in dangerous places and there is some risk inherent to it. But it still doesnt change my frustration from the fact that were still talking about talking points. I mean theres not a select committee on condi rices sunday show prep call where she said a smoking gun could become a mushroom cloud. And clearly that had a far bigger impact on our nations National Security than susan rices comments after benghazi already occurred. How far are they going to go with this . Its hard to tell. I mean, you know, i have some close republican friends who say to me, theyre sick of this, theyre sick of repealing health care but they need to gin up something against obama to keep the Crazy Tea Party people from ginning up stuff against the leadership in the house. Or in the senate. And you know theyre candid with me about this and i understand it but its cynical and disgusting. Former National Security spokesman tommy vietor. Joining me is senior fellow at media matters i have to at a certain point i dont know you sort of tip your cap out of kind of perverse respect that they they just will not let anything stop them from from keeping this truck going. It was the lead on every fox show. It was i mean yesterday in the right wing media if you dont if youre not imbibing it to the extent that i am it was the only story in america that mattered for the last two days. And if we went back to may of 2003 we were in the exact same pattern right when we were talking about emails from the white house and benghazi in a coverup. Yes, exactly a year ago. Exactly. 50 weeks ago. And so after that passed after it blew up, after it was debunked after we realized lets just remember exactly there was there was basically hearsay of someone saying what was in emails that was leaked that at first looked incriminating, then they released the actual emails and they were not incriminating at all. We have gone through this pattern 50, 60, 70 times in this story . Oh, at least. And you think about where fox news was ten days ago they were humiliated with this cliven bundy fiasco where they had gone all in on a racist rancher. They like playing offense. This is a perfect example of the synergy of fox and up on the hill, and Judicial Watch and theyre all churning the same stuff, and they get everyone excited and here we are again. Look if they want to know what happened why dont they, you know, they form this select mitty, why dont they read the Senate Select committee released in january. No white house coverup, there was no specific threat. There was no standdown order. There was ties to the video, et cetera, et cetera. The house is saying, we had 20 months of this, weve had hearings, we spent millions, lets start all over. Because we cant find what we want to find. As a media watchdog i saw this everywhere in the right yesterday. This was a tweet, coincidence benghazi coverup. This is from heritage foundation, cbs evening news fails to cover the latest benghazi developments it identifies Ben Rhodes White house deputy National Security adviser, his brother is cbs news president. Isnt this the smoking gun . Lets go back to last fall where was cbs in terms of benghazi . They admitted they had their biggest embarrassment in a decade because they went with this right wing benghazi report. Whose story was totally debunked. They led put a huge amount of their 60 minutes into it and the guy who oversaw that is david rhodes. Right so how can cbs be covering up for the white house and benghazi now if cbs went out on a limb and embarrassed itself, humiliated itself by sort of echoing these right wing charges about benghazi. You cant have it both ways. Also david rhodes. Do you know where David Rhodes America worked for cbs for 15 years . He worked at fox news. Well thats right. Thats right. Of course. That is where david rhodes worked so if you think he is pulling the strings but it really is, it is, it does remind he of it, the in a whirring way reminds me of late clinton years, 97, 98 when it was just like theyve been pulling at threads for so long and it was, and they kind of lost the pot themselves about what the scandal was. Was it cat yule futures or whitewater and they ended up with and dumped it all in ken starrs lap. Here the gop does not have the independent counsel 40 million budget to vacuum all the stuff up so they have to do it pieceme piecemeal. The house decided lets start all over. Eric, thank you. Youll never guess what i was doing on wednesday. Why did i spend my morning testing out a potentially Game Changing new gun and what does that gun have to do with one of the most talked about stories in the country today . Ill explain ahead. Abe get in punch it let quicken loans help you save your money. With a mortgage thats engineered to amaze thanks, g. 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But we all know exactly how it works over at the Obama White House where secret obama agents are injected into the bureau of labor statistics to muck around with the data to make hur tyrannical leader look as good as possible. Oh, you think that sounds crazy and paranoid . Well let me introduce you to one of the most respected ceos in american history, one month before the 2012 president ial election. And it just seems somewhat coincidental that the month before the election the numbers go one tenth of a point below where they were when the president started. These chicago guys will do anything so they changed the numbers . I have no evidence to prove that. I just raised the question. Remember this was actually a thing. This was a thing in the fall of 2012, when there was a decent jobs report and when otherwise apparently sane people like jack welch bought into this Conspiracy Theory that the jobs numbers were manipulated. Just yesterday we got the official report from the u. S. Commerce Departments Office of the inspector general. Which determined that the whole jobs report of conspiracy was bunk. The independent investigation found no evidence to support the allegations, now the i. G. Did identify areas where the system could be improved. But it also arrived at a picture of just how hard it would be to manipulate those monthly unemployment numbers. How to fudge the unemployment numbers in 27 easy steps. The i. G. Might as well called it that because the report found it would take 27 field representatives conspiring and changing each of their own findings to alter the unemployment number by just 0. 1 . How to fudge the unemployment in 78 easy steps. It would take 78 field officers conspiring to change the monthly unemployment number by 0. 3 . Think of the secret meeting that would require that would be one hell of a meeting or would they do it by Conference Call or email chain, who knows because it never happened. But if you think todays i. G. Report will put an end to statistical trutherism on the right, no, no, no, no, no republicans have turned their sights to the obamacare numbers that theyve been waging a war against since day one. Their obsession as enrollment started Getting Better was that the books were cooked in part by not accounting for how many enrollees had actually paid. The number doesnt have any basis in reality. Cannot tell me how many people have used some type of payment device to enroll in obamacare and sign up for Health Insurance. I think theyre cooking the books on this. People want to know the answers to that. If we were cooking the books dont you think we would have cooked them in october and november . The most important number that we dont know is how many people have paid. And now that enrollments for the exchanges have gotten even better surpassing 8 Million People the house energy and Commerce Committee released a report finding that only 67 of enrollees had actually paid. Only about 5. 5 million of the 8 million enrollees. Oh, my god. Well heres the thing. Numerous problems with this report. It was done before many first month premiums were even due. Eninsurers learned explicitly the april 15th data was incomplete and even the insurances main trade group says the actual group who paid is 85 . If only someone knew whether people were making those payments to Insurance Companies like maybe someone who i dont know ran an Insurance Company created for the obamacare market. Joining me is kevin nazimi who runs an Insurance Company. Called oscar. Full disclosure my brother works there. Great to be here, chris. How much trouble are you guys in, no ones paying for you . Were getting paid and i think overall things are working. For us were seeing well over 90 of people who kind up are paying so far and they have until the 15th of the month to pay. 90 . Over 90 . So this is not while w