someone like florida governor ron desantis is wrapping up this event here just about 20 minutes outside of des moines, iowa. he's one of those trying to change that. >> ali vitali, thank you, my friend. appreciate it. i want to get back to matthew dowd with more on the 2024 politics primary season. some are looking toward november. elise stefanik already said she can't yet commit to certifying the presidential election results, whatever they may be. >> what about 2024? >> we will see if this is a legal and valid election. >> you only commit to certify the results if -- >> if they are constitutional. >> does that mean if president trump wins? >> it means they are constitutional. what we saw in 2020 was unconstitutional circumventing of the constitution, not going through state legislatures. >> joining me now, senior msnbc political contributor matthew dowd. what i'm hearing is she's not a