in the polls, you had ron desantis and -- >> that is right. lindsey, the point is that it is going to be very difficult for any republican to defeat donald trump in this primary. the question, i think we are trying to contemplate here is, is there a path? it appears that there is a path if, if these candidates all have the discipline to perhaps coordinate and figure out when is the right time to get out of this race. we know that there are republican leaders like governor sununu of new hampshire, mitt romney of utah, who have advised republicans to get out before it is too late if you want to have the chance of defeating donald trump. >> when do you think we will know, carlos, whether donald trump's gamble to skip the first debate was worthwhile? >> i think after the second debate, lindsey. i do think that the president did pay a price for missing the debate.